Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Namaste to all, I'm a new member and this is my first posting to the group. I'm primarily a classical western astrologer, but I've always had an abiding interest in jyotish. I'm experiencing some confusion around the rules for finding ishta devata. I have visited the websites of both Visti Larsen and Sanjay Rath and there seems to be a small disparity between their systems for finding it. Sanjay Rath says that we first look to the planet in the 12th from Karakamsa for ID. If no planet is there, we look to the planet who has graha drishti on the 12th from Karakamsa. If no aspect, then take the ruler of the house. I hope I'm correct in my understanding of this procedure. I have also listened to the excellent mp3s of Visti Larsen, who says to use the planet in 12th and if no planet is there to use the ruler. Which of these is correct? Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of Aquarius and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio? Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so here is my birth data. Antoine 1 January 1966 6:32 am Washington, DC 77W02 38N53 My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces karakamsa with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?). Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha drishti. As per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius, Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is Ishta Devata. Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these planets I should choose for Ishta Devata. Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward to further discussions on jaimini principles. Namaste, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 kleem namah narasimhaaya Dear Antoine , Namaskar Both are important, but lord (if empty) will have final say, whilst the drsti planets will show helping Deities. Thats the rule which is coming both from Vistiji and Sanjayji and that is what we all are following. Regards, Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal antoine pisze: Namaste to all, I'm a new member and this is my first posting to the group. I'm primarily a classical western astrologer, but I've always had an abiding interest in jyotish. I'm experiencing some confusion around the rules for finding ishta devata. I have visited the websites of both Visti Larsen and Sanjay Rath and there seems to be a small disparity between their systems for finding it. Sanjay Rath says that we first look to the planet in the 12th from Karakamsa for ID. If no planet is there, we look to the planet who has graha drishti on the 12th from Karakamsa. If no aspect, then take the ruler of the house. I hope I'm correct in my understanding of this procedure. I have also listened to the excellent mp3s of Visti Larsen, who says to use the planet in 12th and if no planet is there to use the ruler. Which of these is correct? Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of Aquarius and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio? Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so here is my birth data. Antoine 1 January 1966 6:32 am Washington, DC 77W02 38N53 My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces karakamsa with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?). Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha drishti. As per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius, Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is Ishta Devata. Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these planets I should choose for Ishta Devata. Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward to further discussions on jaimini principles. Namaste, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Rafal, Thanks so much for your reply. I also heard from Visti this afternoon. His reply to me is below. Dear Antoine, Namaskar. I also consider Rahu to be the lord of Aquarius. When you are unsure whether to take Rahu or Saturn as the Ishta Devata then always prefer Rahu as he is responsible for the confusion to begin with! Best mantras will be for Durga in your case. I recommend the Ram-Chandi mantra: om aim hreem kleem chamundayai vicchai| Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen Best Wishes, Antoine , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *kleem namah narasimhaaya* > Dear Antoine , Namaskar > > Both are important, but lord (if empty) will have final say, whilst the > drsti planets will show helping Deities. Thats the rule which is coming > both from Vistiji and Sanjayji and that is what we all are following. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz / SJC Teacher > www: http://rohinaa.com / email: rafal > > > > antoine pisze: > > > > Namaste to all, > > > > I'm a new member and this is my first posting to the group. I'm > > primarily a classical western astrologer, but I've always had an > > abiding interest in jyotish. > > > > I'm experiencing some confusion around the rules for finding ishta > > devata. I have visited the websites of both Visti Larsen and Sanjay > > Rath and there seems to be a small disparity between their systems for > > finding it. > > > > Sanjay Rath says that we first look to the planet in the 12th from > > Karakamsa for ID. If no planet is there, we look to the planet who has > > graha drishti on the 12th from Karakamsa. If no aspect, then take the > > ruler of the house. I hope I'm correct in my understanding of this > > procedure. > > > > I have also listened to the excellent mp3s of Visti Larsen, who says > > to use the planet in 12th and if no planet is there to use the ruler. > > > > Which of these is correct? > > > > Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of Aquarius > > and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio? > > > > Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so here is > > my birth data. > > > > Antoine > > 1 January 1966 > > 6:32 am > > Washington, DC > > 77W02 38N53 > > > > My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces karakamsa > > with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?). > > Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha drishti. As > > per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius, > > Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is Ishta > > Devata. > > > > Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these > > planets I should choose for Ishta Devata. > > > > Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward to > > further discussions on jaimini principles. > > > > Namaste, > > Antoine > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Antoine,Namaste1. Correct understanding in matter of signs and their co-lords. Rahu is stronger, so consider your Ista Devata as Sri Varaha.2. Jaimin Principles: Look for one of the Jaimini scholars and become a student with one of the scholars. Though the entire list of scholars is not on the Sohamsa website, it is important that you choose one closest to you for Guru Upadesa- Sueann Mckean, Eric Rosenbush, Freedom Cole all live in the West Coast and maybe closest to you. The other is Sat Siri Khalsa, but I am sorry to say that I am sure where she is based in USA.The link is http://www.sohamsa.com/j/index.php?option=com_contact & view=category & catid=12 & Itemid=58Good luck.love,SweeAlso,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of Aquariusand Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio?Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so here ismy birth data.Antoine1 January 19666:32 amWashington, DC77W02 38N53My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces karakamsawith Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?).Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha drishti. Asper Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius,Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is IshtaDevata.Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of theseplanets I should choose for Ishta Devata.Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward tofurther discussions on jaimini principles.Namaste,Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Swee, Thank you for your response and suggestions! Unfortunately, I am living in Chiang Mai, Thailand. I would be pleasantly surprised to find a Jaimini scholar near here. Namaste, Antoine , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Antoine, > Namaste > > 1. Correct understanding in matter of signs and their co-lords. Rahu > is stronger, so consider your Ista Devata as Sri Varaha. > > 2. Jaimin Principles: Look for one of the Jaimini scholars and become > a student with one of the scholars. Though the entire list of > scholars is not on the Sohamsa website, it is important that you > choose one closest to you for Guru Upadesa- > Sueann Mckean, Eric Rosenbush, Freedom Cole all live in the West > Coast and maybe closest to you. The other is Sat Siri Khalsa, but I > am sorry to say that I am sure where she is based in USA. > > The link is http://www.sohamsa.com/j/index.php? > option=com_contact & view=category & catid=12 & Itemid=58 > > Good luck. > > love, > > Swee > > > >> > >> Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of > >> Aquarius > >> and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio? > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so here is > >> my birth data. > >> > >> Antoine > >> 1 January 1966 > >> 6:32 am > >> Washington, DC > >> 77W02 38N53 > >> > >> My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces > >> karakamsa > >> with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?). > >> Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha > >> drishti. As > >> per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius, > >> Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is > >> Ishta > >> Devata. > >> > >> Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these > >> planets I should choose for Ishta Devata. > >> > >> Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward to > >> further discussions on jaimini principles. > >> > >> Namaste, > >> Antoine > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Jaya JagannathaDear Antoine,NamasteAlmost be pleasantly surprised... There's a Jaimini scholar who resides in Singapore.love,SweeOn 29 Jul 2008, at 13:26, antoine wrote:Dear Swee,Thank you for your response and suggestions!Unfortunately, I am living in Chiang Mai, Thailand. I would bepleasantly surprised to find a Jaimini scholar near here.Namaste,Antoine--- In , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> >>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Antoine,> Namaste>> 1. Correct understanding in matter of signs and their co-lords. Rahu> is stronger, so consider your Ista Devata as Sri Varaha.>> 2. Jaimin Principles: Look for one of the Jaimini scholars and become> a student with one of the scholars. Though the entire list of> scholars is not on the Sohamsa website, it is important that you> choose one closest to you for Guru Upadesa-> Sueann Mckean, Eric Rosenbush, Freedom Cole all live in the West> Coast and maybe closest to you. The other is Sat Siri Khalsa, but I> am sorry to say that I am sure where she is based in USA.>> The link is http://www.sohamsa.com/j/index.php?> option=com_contact & view=category & catid=12 & Itemid=58>> Good luck.>> love,>> Swee>>> >>> >> Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of> >> Aquarius> >> and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio?> >>>>>> >>> >>> >> Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so hereis> >> my birth data.> >>> >> Antoine> >> 1 January 1966> >> 6:32 am> >> Washington, DC> >> 77W02 38N53> >>> >> My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces> >> karakamsa> >> with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler(?).> >> Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha> >> drishti. As> >> per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius,> >> Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is> >> Ishta> >> Devata.> >>> >> Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these> >> planets I should choose for Ishta Devata.> >>> >> Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look forward to> >> further discussions on jaimini principles.> >>> >> Namaste,> >> Antoine> >>> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi all, You know, I find this aspect fascinating. I've learned that we determine Ishta Devata from the strongest planetary influence in the 12th house from the Atmakarak in Navamsha Kundali. So, obviously, the planet residing would have the first say. Secondly, the lord would have its say. The planets aspecting will only modify the deity accordingly. Maharishi Parashar gives us Vishnu Avatas as the presiding deity of the 9 planets. Maharishi Jaimini gives Shivaji as Sun, Parvati Mata as Moon, Kumar Kartikeya as Mars, Shree Vishnu as Mercury, Sadashiva as Jupiter, Mahalaxmi Ma as Venus, Satya Narayan as Saturn, Durga Mata as Rahu, and Ganeshji as Ketu. By the way, there is another school of thought, which places Surya Narayan for Sun, Parvati Mata for Moon, Kumar Kartikeya for Mars, Shree Vishnu for Mercury, Satya Narayan for Jupiter, Mahalaxmi Mata for Venus, Shivaji/Rudra swaroop for Saturn, Bhairav Bhagwan for Rahu, and Ganpati Baba for Ketu. Now, from what I have researched, it would be best to use specific deity as planets signify in the Navamsha chart. Say, Ketu is in the 12th from Karakamsha, being aspected by Mercury, then this would indicate a Vaishnav deity and it would be more accurate to worship Lord Narayan's 10 avatars, in this case that would be Lord Matsya. You know it works that way. Comments welcomed. Kissna , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Antoine, > Namaste > > Almost be pleasantly surprised... There's a Jaimini scholar who > resides in Singapore. > > love, > > Swee > > > On 29 Jul 2008, at 13:26, antoine wrote: > > > Dear Swee, > > > > Thank you for your response and suggestions! > > > > Unfortunately, I am living in Chiang Mai, Thailand. I would be > > pleasantly surprised to find a Jaimini scholar near here. > > > > Namaste, > > Antoine > > > > , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > Dear Antoine, > > > Namaste > > > > > > 1. Correct understanding in matter of signs and their co- lords. Rahu > > > is stronger, so consider your Ista Devata as Sri Varaha. > > > > > > 2. Jaimin Principles: Look for one of the Jaimini scholars and > > become > > > a student with one of the scholars. Though the entire list of > > > scholars is not on the Sohamsa website, it is important that you > > > choose one closest to you for Guru Upadesa- > > > Sueann Mckean, Eric Rosenbush, Freedom Cole all live in the West > > > Coast and maybe closest to you. The other is Sat Siri Khalsa, but I > > > am sorry to say that I am sure where she is based in USA. > > > > > > The link is http://www.sohamsa.com/j/index.php? > > > option=com_contact & view=category & catid=12 & Itemid=58 > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Also,do we generally follow the rule that Rahu is co-ruler of > > > >> Aquarius > > > >> and Ketu is co-ruler of Scorpio? > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Of course, I'm trying to figure this out for my own chart, so > > here > > is > > > >> my birth data. > > > >> > > > >> Antoine > > > >> 1 January 1966 > > > >> 6:32 am > > > >> Washington, DC > > > >> 77W02 38N53 > > > >> > > > >> My atmakaraka is Mercury. Navamsa lagna is Aries with Pisces > > > >> karakamsa > > > >> with Saturn, ruler of 12th from Karakamsa and Rahu, co-ruler (?). > > > >> Jupiter is in Libra navamsa, aspecting Aquarius with graha > > > >> drishti. As > > > >> per Sanjay Rath's procedure, since no planet occupies Aquarius, > > > >> Jupiter is Ishta Devata. As per Larsen, either Saturn or Rahu is > > > >> Ishta > > > >> Devata. > > > >> > > > >> Would someone please give me some guidance as to which of these > > > >> planets I should choose for Ishta Devata. > > > >> > > > >> Thank you in advance for any assistance offered. I look > > forward to > > > >> further discussions on jaimini principles. > > > >> > > > >> Namaste, > > > >> Antoine > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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