Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hare Rama Krshna Dear Gurus and friends I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and Mars on 10th july 2008. Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly make a light on that. Thaking you, Regards, Goonatilaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with this loses all it’s power to protect it’s houses and it’s natural significances. Please check Chapter 11 – Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and also Chapter 79 – Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Gurus and friends I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and Mars on 10th july 2008. Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly make a light on that. Thaking you, Regards, Goonatilaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Just a rectification to my previous email. It’s the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with this loses all it’s power to protect it’s houses and it’s natural significances. Please check Chapter 11 – Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and also Chapter 79 – Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Gurus and friends I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and Mars on 10th july 2008. Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly make a light on that. Thaking you, Regards, Goonatilaka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hare Rama Krshna Dear Sonia, Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16. In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war. What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war. Regards, Goonatilaka , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > significances. > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Gurus and friends > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008. > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that. > > Thaking you, > Regards, > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Sonia, Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16. In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war. What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war. Regards, Goonatilaka , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > significances. > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Gurus and friends > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008. > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that. > > Thaking you, > Regards, > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 || Hare Krishna || Dear Friends, Namaskar, Sorry to interrupt,I read about planetary war between saturn and Mars always Saturn wins,can anyone please shade light on longitude,I have never hear of that.But I dont say its false,which is true?and which to follow. Regards, Jim , " premgoona " <premgoona wrote: > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Sonia, > > Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the > qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- > sloka 14-16. > > In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat > in planetary war. > > What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you > have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it > is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. > > On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ > 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. > Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that > Saturn wins in this war. > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > > > , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the > confusion. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within > one degree > > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and > also with > > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > > significances. > > > > > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of > BPHS and > > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more > information. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > > On > > Behalf Of premgoona > > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn > and > > Mars on 10th july 2008. > > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, > kindly > > make a light on that. > > > > Thaking you, > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sonia, Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Sonia, Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16. In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war. What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war. Regards, Goonatilaka , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > significances. > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Gurus and friends > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008. > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that. > > Thaking you, > Regards, > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta Dear Karu, Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says Venus always wins? Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani On Behalf Of Karu HeenkendaThursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sonia, Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Sonia GuptaThursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoonaThursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama KrshnaDear Sonia,Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16.In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war.What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned "It's the one with lower longitude wins the war" it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria.On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war.Regards,Goonatilaka , "Sonia Gupta" <soniagupta wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Just a rectification to my previous email.> > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion.> > > > Best Regards> > Sonia> > > > On> Behalf Of Sonia Gupta> Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Goonatilaka,> > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree> of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with> this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural> significances.> > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and> also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information.> > > > Best Regards> > Sonia> > > > On> Behalf Of premgoona> Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM> > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War> > > > Hare Rama Krshna> > Dear Gurus and friends> > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008.> Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that.> > Thaking you,> Regards,> Goonatilaka> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Ramesh, 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini ‘s source of strength. When ever, number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those are not Jeevatmas. 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas leading to Ascetism. Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus(Pachakadi Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There are no any other planets block the “AYANA” of Spirituality, as Venus. So here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the yoga. 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha’s valuble comments welcome. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta Dear Karu, Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says Venus always wins? Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani On Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sonia, Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Sonia, Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16. In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war. What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war. Regards, Goonatilaka , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > significances. > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Gurus and friends > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008. > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that. > > Thaking you, > Regards, > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Hare Rama Krshna, Dear Sonia, What I have percieved from the discussion is 1. If a Planet takes the path to the side of North as per its orbital elipse is adjudged to be the winner.This should have been seen in the sky for the naked eye. 2.For the above Phenomenon, there should be two measurements I suppose ie. Longitude and declination. 3. In normal ephimeries we can see only longitude, where we can identify only it comes to same latitude. 4. According to Karu, Venus is an exception. 5. Does Jagannath Hora show above two dimentions ? Please correct me if I am wrong.Your valuble comments are appreciated Thanking you, Regards Goonatilaka , " Karu Heenkenda " <heen wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji > recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear > and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini 's source of strength. When ever, > number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So > Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those > are not Jeevatmas. > > 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of > 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But > other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas > leading to Ascetism. > > Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and > Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus (Pachakadi > Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we > study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There > are no any other planets block the " AYANA " of Spirituality, as Venus. So > here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the > yoga. > > > > 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha's valuble comments welcome. > > > > Best Wishes > > Karu > On > Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani > Friday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta > > > > Dear Karu, > > Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says > Venus always wins? > > > > Best Regards > > Ramesh > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C > > Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) > > Tel: 410-588-6244 > > Email: <rgangaramani rgangaramani > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda > Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Sonia, > > Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But > it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from > BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is > any missing part or any mistake. > > According to Chapter 79 - Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: > > It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn > then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other > planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) > > So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) > and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on > 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st - East, > 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Sonia, > > Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the > qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- > sloka 14-16. > > In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat > in planetary war. > > What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you > have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it > is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. > > On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ > 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. > Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that > Saturn wins in this war. > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > <% 40> > , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the > confusion. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > <% 40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within > one degree > > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and > also with > > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > > significances. > > > > > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of > BPHS and > > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more > information. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of premgoona > > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > <% 40> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn > and > > Mars on 10th july 2008. > > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, > kindly > > make a light on that. > > > > Thaking you, > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, Last week only I was trying to understand the strength of the grahas and while doing that I came to understand bit about the Planetary war. And I am still in learning process about the same. So I don’t have that much knowledge yet to make any corrections to your comments. I would like to request other members for that. What I know is that you can check the dimensions in JHora by right clicking on the Basic information about the planets and then selecting the latitude and speed from the menu. Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Friday, 20 June 2008 7:57 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna, Dear Sonia, What I have percieved from the discussion is 1. If a Planet takes the path to the side of North as per its orbital elipse is adjudged to be the winner.This should have been seen in the sky for the naked eye. 2.For the above Phenomenon, there should be two measurements I suppose ie. Longitude and declination. 3. In normal ephimeries we can see only longitude, where we can identify only it comes to same latitude. 4. According to Karu, Venus is an exception. 5. Does Jagannath Hora show above two dimentions ? Please correct me if I am wrong.Your valuble comments are appreciated Thanking you, Regards Goonatilaka , " Karu Heenkenda " <heen wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji > recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear > and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini 's source of strength. When ever, > number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So > Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those > are not Jeevatmas. > > 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of > 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But > other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas > leading to Ascetism. > > Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and > Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus (Pachakadi > Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we > study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There > are no any other planets block the " AYANA " of Spirituality, as Venus. So > here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the > yoga. > > > > 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha's valuble comments welcome. > > > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > > > > > > > On > Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani > Friday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta > > > > Dear Karu, > > Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says > Venus always wins? > > > > Best Regards > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C > > Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) > > Tel: 410-588-6244 > > Email: <rgangaramani rgangaramani > > > > > > > > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda > Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Sonia, > > Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But > it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from > BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is > any missing part or any mistake. > > According to Chapter 79 - Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: > > It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn > then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other > planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) > > So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) > and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on > 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st - East, > 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Sonia, > > Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the > qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- > sloka 14-16. > > In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat > in planetary war. > > What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you > have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it > is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. > > On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ > 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. > Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that > Saturn wins in this war. > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > <% 40> > , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the > confusion. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > <% 40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within > one degree > > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and > also with > > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > > significances. > > > > > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of > BPHS and > > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more > information. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of premgoona > > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > <% 40> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn > and > > Mars on 10th july 2008. > > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, > kindly > > make a light on that. > > > > Thaking you, > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2008 Report Share Posted June 20, 2008 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Karu, Many thanks. A few more questions please. 1. Does the Venus exception apply to Jivatma charts? 2. I am not sure about the last bit related to Venus: Sun. I remember Sanjayji mentioning that Venus loses its power when it comes close to Sun, analogy of Parashurama and Rama! Venus and Sun are Vedhak for each other, so I dont know if Panchakadi sambandhas can re-inforce the point. Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani On Behalf Of Karu HeenkendaThursday, June 19, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Ramesh, 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini ‘s source of strength. When ever, number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those are not Jeevatmas. 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas leading to Ascetism. Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus(Pachakadi Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There are no any other planets block the “AYANA” of Spirituality, as Venus. So here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the yoga. 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha’s valuble comments welcome. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Ramesh F. GangaramaniFriday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta Dear Karu, Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says Venus always wins? Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani (AT) hotmail (DOT) com On Behalf Of Karu HeenkendaThursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sonia, Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Sonia GuptaThursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoonaThursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama KrshnaDear Sonia,Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16.In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war.What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned "It's the one with lower longitude wins the war" it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria.On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war.Regards,Goonatilaka , "Sonia Gupta" <soniagupta wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Just a rectification to my previous email.> > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion.> > > > Best Regards> > Sonia> > > > On> Behalf Of Sonia Gupta> Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War> > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Goonatilaka,> > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree> of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with> this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural> significances.> > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and> also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information.> > > > Best Regards> > Sonia> > > > On> Behalf Of premgoona> Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM> > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War> > > > Hare Rama Krshna> > Dear Gurus and friends> > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008.> Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that.> > Thaking you,> Regards,> Goonatilaka> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Ramesh, This spiritual yoga is for Jivatma. So yes. But I never say, this rule –Venus exception- must be applied at all the time. I accept, there is a dictum and need to ne understand it properly. Combustion, Retrogression, War linked each other and we know those are astronomical facts. When Venus come closer to the Sun in direct motion is not same as when Venus in Retro motion. Also, All depend on what we are looking for. For example, This Yudda is not something like political violent, but it is more like Sura-Asura yudda, which always won by Sura. So when we look at that angle, always Graha in north wins, as in the Uttarayana, Asura goes to sleep. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, 20 June 2008 11:44 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Karu, Many thanks. A few more questions please. 1. Does the Venus exception apply to Jivatma charts? 2. I am not sure about the last bit related to Venus: Sun. I remember Sanjayji mentioning that Venus loses its power when it comes close to Sun, analogy of Parashurama and Rama! Venus and Sun are Vedhak for each other, so I dont know if Panchakadi sambandhas can re-inforce the point. Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani On Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:39 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Ramesh, 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini ‘s source of strength. When ever, number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those are not Jeevatmas. 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas leading to Ascetism. Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus(Pachakadi Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There are no any other planets block the “AYANA” of Spirituality, as Venus. So here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the yoga. 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha’s valuble comments welcome. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta Dear Karu, Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says Venus always wins? Best Regards Ramesh Ramesh F. Gangaramani 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) Tel: 410-588-6244 Email: rgangaramani On Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sonia, Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. Best Wishes Karu On Behalf Of Sonia Gupta Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krishna Dear Goonatilaka, I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is any missing part or any mistake. According to Chapter 79 – Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st – East, 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). Best Regards Sonia On Behalf Of premgoona Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War Hare Rama Krshna Dear Sonia, Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- sloka 14-16. In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat in planetary war. What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that Saturn wins in this war. Regards, Goonatilaka , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the confusion. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within one degree > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and also with > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > significances. > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of BPHS and > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more information. > > > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Gurus and friends > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn and > Mars on 10th july 2008. > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, kindly > make a light on that. > > Thaking you, > Regards, > Goonatilaka > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Hare Rama Krshna Dear Karu, Thank you so much for giving deep insight in to the query. Just a matter to be resolved. You have mentioned that when Sukra is in same longitude with Ju, Me, Sa, Ve and Ma Sukra wins all the time. This is in mundane astrology. ( Jada Athma? )Please correct me as this is my understanding. There are no any other planets block the " AYANA " of Spirituality, as Venus. That means when Venus conjoin above planets, all the passionate things will come in to alive more prominently with regard to mundane astrology. But as regards to Sun meets Venus ,what I have learnt is Sun (Paramathma) combust Venus( Jeevathma) and as a result spirituality emerges. My question is ,when Venus fight with Sun , will he establish his qualities in mundane astrology ? Please tolerate me if I am raising nonsense. Thanks Best Regards Goonatilaka , " Karu Heenkenda " <heen wrote: > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > This spiritual yoga is for Jivatma. So yes. But I never say, this rule > -Venus exception- must be applied at all the time. I accept, there is a > dictum and need to ne understand it properly. > > Combustion, Retrogression, War linked each other and we know those are > astronomical facts. When Venus come closer to the Sun in direct motion is > not same as when Venus in Retro motion. Also, All depend on what we are > looking for. For example, This Yudda is not something like political > violent, but it is more like Sura-Asura yudda, which always won by Sura. So > when we look at that angle, always Graha in north wins, as in the > Uttarayana, Asura goes to sleep. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > > > > > On > Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani > Friday, 20 June 2008 11:44 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Karu, > > Many thanks. A few more questions please. > > 1. Does the Venus exception apply to Jivatma charts? > > 2. I am not sure about the last bit related to Venus: Sun. I remember > Sanjayji mentioning that Venus loses its power when it comes close to Sun, > analogy of Parashurama and Rama! Venus and Sun are Vedhak for each other, so > I dont know if Panchakadi sambandhas can re-inforce the point. > > > > Best Regards > > Ramesh > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C > > Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) > > Tel: 410-588-6244 > > Email: <rgangaramani rgangaramani > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda > Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:39 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Ramesh, > > 1. This was advice given by parampara some time back, yet Guruji > recommended research needed for final conclusion even results is very clear > and accurate. The clue comes from Jaimini 's source of strength. When ever, > number of Grahas in a rasi the Graha in higher longitude wins always. So > Kranti, or Ayana which is latitude is used for war between nations, as those > are not Jeevatmas. > > 2. This is eye opening. The dictum is if there is a war between Mars, > Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn (if all five planets within a distance of > 1 Degree) Venus is the winner, regardless whether is in north or south. But > other planets one who in North only wins. This comes from BPHS, Yogas > leading to Ascetism. > > Spirituality comes from Surya. What is the relationship between Surya and > Venus ? Venus always Vedaka and Surya fails in front of Venus (Pachakadi > Sambandata). So, this sloka teaches us to note carefully about Venus when we > study spiritual inclination of a chart, as Venus wins all the time. There > are no any other planets block the " AYANA " of Spirituality, as Venus. So > here Parasara has taken Latutude of the planets to see the strength of the > yoga. > > 3. Any case, other learnt Jyotisha's valuble comments welcome. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > On > Behalf Of Ramesh F. Gangaramani > Friday, 20 June 2008 6:37 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyta > > Dear Karu, > > Why is 'north' rule only for mundane chart? Also is there a dictum that says > Venus always wins? > > Best Regards > > Ramesh > > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > > 7506, Eaglewalk Ct., Apt C > > Baltimore, MD, 21237 (USA) > > Tel: 410-588-6244 > > Email: <rgangaramani rgangaramani > > _____ > > On > Behalf Of Karu Heenkenda > Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:42 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Sonia, > > Here North means not directions, but Uttaraayana. Graha in north wins. But > it is using for mundane charts. For Jataka we use degrees. > > Best Wishes > > Karu > > On > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > Thursday, 19 June 2008 10:36 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > I am just a very beginner in Jyotish and just writing what understood from > BPHS slokas. I would request learned members to please correct if there is > any missing part or any mistake. > > According to Chapter 79 - Yogas leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) of BPHS: > > It says if there is planetary war between Mars and Saturn > then whoever is toward North direction will win the war. (Not taking other > planets here as discussing only Mars and Saturn) > > So according to the above sloka by Maharshi Parasara if we take Mars (11.01) > and Saturn(11.24) conjunction in the Leo with Gemini rising ( At 5.30 am on > 10th July 1008, India). So Saturn(11.24) is more towards north. (1st - East, > 4th - North, 7th - West, 10th South). > > Best Regards > > Sonia > > On > Behalf Of premgoona > Thursday, 19 June 2008 9:26 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Planetary War > > Hare Rama Krshna > > Dear Sonia, > > Thank you very much for giving me a reply and references to the > qeury I raised. If I correct the BPHS reference, it is chapter 13- > sloka 14-16. > > In this particular sloka, it is just given a result due to defeat > in planetary war. > > What I cant understand is how to judge the defeat.For example as you > have mentioned " It's the one with lower longitude wins the war " it > is obvious that longitudes of planets are the criteria. > > On 10th of July, Mars is 131.07 while Saturn comes to 131.30 @ > 5.30am according to Norayana Ephimeries. > Could you throw more light on that if you dont mind.I learnt that > Saturn wins in this war. > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > <% 40> > , " Sonia Gupta " <soniagupta@> > wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Just a rectification to my previous email. > > > > > > > > It's the one with lower longitude wins the war. Sorry about the > confusion. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of Sonia Gupta > > Thursday, 19 June 2008 7:22 AM > > <% 40> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Dear Goonatilaka, > > > > > > > > Yes there is Graha Yuddha, and it is when two grahas are within > one degree > > of each other. The graha with lower longitude looses the war and > also with > > this loses all it's power to protect it's houses and it's natural > > significances. > > > > > > > > Please check Chapter 11 - Judgement of Houses (Slokas 14-16) of > BPHS and > > also Chapter 79 - Yogas Leading to Ascetism (sloka 9) for more > information. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sonia > > > > > > > > <% 40> > > [ <% 40> > ] On > > Behalf Of premgoona > > Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:52 PM > > <% 40> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Planetary War > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krshna > > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > I have read in papers that there is a planetary war between Saturn > and > > Mars on 10th july 2008. > > Is there any thing called planetary war (GrahaYuddha)?If so, > kindly > > make a light on that. > > > > Thaking you, > > Regards, > > Goonatilaka > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Goonatilaka, Do Jada Atma looking for spiritual development ? This sloka is extracted by me from BPHS, Yogas leading to Ascetism chapter. I think, we were talk about Graha Yudda, not combustion. Any way, I am pasting a little part I kept for long time from a discussion. May you all benefited from it. Best Wishes Karu Extracted from my notes Question-1 gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Pursottam Dabasia Monday, 13 September 1999 6:46 AM GJList Graha Yuddha Om Krishnaay Namah Dear Steve. The first point to note is how one determines the victor of a planetary war. I am aware of three views on this: 1) The planet with the Lower LONGITUDE is the victor. The Late Dr. B V Raman was for this view as is James Braha and also it seems you. 2) The planet with the higher LONGITUDE is the victor. Sanjay Rath accepts this view. 3) The Planet with the higher LATITUDE is the victor. Hart deFouw was taught this view. So, which do we accept? I'm not sure of many classical views on this. BPHS refers to Graha Yuddha, but does not clearly state the winner and the loser. BUT, Varahamihira states " A planet is said to be defeated when it is to the south of the other... " (Brihat Samhita 17:09) I'm not entirely sure if this refers to Declination (Kranti) or Latitude (Kshepa). There is a difference between the two. But I have assumed that no matter which system you use, the higher planet is always higher and the lower is always lower. So declination is what I use, and it works fine. There is one rule which applies to this though, and that is that if Venus is involved in the planetary war, the the planet south of the other wins (Utpala says " etat shukrasya praayah sambhavati " . Pulishaachaarya says " sarve jayina udaksthaa dakshinadikstho jayee shukreh " ) That is also the view I accept. So, first you need to find out the latitudes of the planets and then decide the victor of the war. Also, when finding out ones interests and tendencies, don't ignore the Siddhamsha chart. That is quite important. Applying these rules to Hitler's chart, we get Mars as the victor, which I think makes more sense than Venus. Venus represents his want to be an artist, but he never got to that stage because Venus lost to Mars (Art lost to War). He went to the Vienna academy of fine arts, and took an exam. Very confident he would pass, he failed. He was even homeless in Vienna, a centre for all those Venusian things like art, music, theatre etc. Hitler always had an ability in art, but due to Venus's defeat in Yuddha, it was never really developed. He couldn't really paint well, in my opinion. I managed to get my hands on a genuine document which was actually signed by Hitler himself (It's my History teachers, not mine) and if you look at the signiture, it is extremely Venusian. Lots of curls and wiggles, and had an artistic sense of style around it. It's not the type of signiture one could easily forge. But in any case, I hope the info above these ramblings has helped clarify planetary war. Jaya Sri Vishnu Pursottam Answered By PT Sanjay Rath gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Tuesday, 14 September 1999 2:10 AM Pursottam Dabasia; GJList Re: Graha Yuddha JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Purushottama, Let us take a hypothetical chart where all the planets are in ONE sign and in very close proximity to each other. Then who is the VICTOR? It is the ATMAKARAKA always..always the Atmakaraka. He is the King of the Chart..He represents the Power of GOD..BPHS The term is KRANTI in your question and is for mundane charts of War between nations etc. Here we are dealing with Manushya Jataka. Hart Defoww is correct. My regards and respects to one who has so sincerely studied the shastra. Please convey it if you can. Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath Question-2 gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Pursottam Dabasia Wednesday, 15 September 1999 7:01 AM srath; GJList Re: Graha Yuddha Om Krishnaay Namah Dear Sanjay. Thank you for your note. >>Let us take a hypothetical chart where all the planets are in ONE sign and in very close proximity to each other. Then who is the VICTOR? It is the ATMAKARAKA always..always the Atmakaraka. He is the King of the Chart..He represents the Power of GOD..BPHS<< If we are discussing the concept of Graha Yuddha, then I have to disagree. Yes, BPHS does say that the atmakaraka is the King, BUT, it is possible for a King to be weak and to lose battles and wars. History has shown us this time and time again. So I agree that the atmakaraka is a very important pivot in a chart, but if engaged in Graha Yuddha, I believe it is possible for him to lose the War. Of course, the obvious case here is the chart of Hitler, where Venus is the atmakaraka, and is fighting with Mars. Now, I realise that you feel that Venus is the winner, but I'm certain it's Mars. Looking throughout his life, everytime Venus tried to get up, Mars pushed him down again (e.g. in Vienna). This was a case where the King lost. >>Hart Defoww is correct. My regards and respects to one who has so sincerely studied the shastra.<< Please clear up my confusion. You've said that Hart deFouw's teaching is correct, that the planet with the HIGHER LATITUDE, wins the war, which is what Varahamihira says in Brihat Samhita (the only classical text I know of which deals clearly with Graha Yuddha). However, you yourself say that the planet with the HIGHER LONGITUDE wins. Which is correct, in your opinion? Thanks for your time, Hare Krishna, Pursottam Answer-2 gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Wednesday, 15 September 1999 12:25 PM GJLIST; Pursottam Dabasia Re: Graha Yuddha JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Purushottama, When we make the chart of a nation, say USA and find that none of the planets are in Graha Yuddha, can we say that in its entire existence, the US civilization will never go to war? Then what is this Graha Yuddha and how to decipher it? Second point is that in the lives of men, the chart is led by the Atmakaraka with the Ista Devata. Many men fight battles and yet others spend an entire life without any. Fighting is one thing, an attitude of Mars, whereas Yuddha or war is another thing altogether. How would you see this in Manushya Jataka? Is the rule the same as the Mundane charts? In the mundane charts, the " North " wins showing that the longitude is not being considered as the nation is not a Jiva. The Atma is a very vital concept in Jyotish. Kindly reconsider your views in the above light. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Question -3 gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Pursottam Dabasia Thursday, 16 September 1999 7:57 AM Sanjay Rath; GJLIST Re: Graha Yuddha Om Krishnaay Namah Dear Sanjay, Thank you for your reply. Here goes: >>When we make the chart of a nation, say USA and find that none of the planets are in Graha Yuddha, can we say that in its entire existence, the US civilization will never go to war?<< Of course not. I didn't ever actually mention war (the real thing). When I was refering to Kings losing battles, this was just an analogy. I was developing on the analogy you raised about the atmakaraka being like the king. My point is that, in my humble opinion, it is possible for the atmakaraka to be defeated in a Graha Yuddha as demonstrated in the chart of Adolf Hitler. Also, if we consider that Parashara mentions Graha Yuddha before he ever mentions the Chara karakas, then once again we find that there is no eveidence in the BPHS to suggest that the victor of Graha Yuddha may not be determined on the basis of latitude. This, I believe, is where we disagree - You say that to find the victor of Graha Yuddha in a human chart, longitude of the planets is to be considered, whereas I feel it is the latitude. Despite the fact that we disagree here, I still do respect your opinion, and indeed those of everybody else. I'm sure we've all done our own research and have reached conclusions which we have found satisfactory, and for that everybody has my respect. I doubt we are ever going to reach a satisfactory conclusion on this subject, until hundreds of charts containing Graha Yuddha are analysed. This is particularly so considering the lack of reference to Graha Yuddha in the classics. As mentioned in another post, the only work I know of which goes into any sort of detail on the matter is Brihat Samhita, which says the winners of a Graha Yuddha are to be determined on the basis of Latitude, rather than longitude. Certainly, nothing else I've heard on the subject matter so far has been substantial enough to make me change my opinion. So for now, I'm still fixed in my opinion. >>Fighting is one thing, an attitude of Mars, whereas Yuddha or war is another thing altogether.<< Yes I agree. I don't think I've said anything contradictory to this statement. Graha Yuddha is a matter of planetary strength, and not a particularly substantial source either. Nevertheless, the Maharishi's did give attention to it, and so no matter how insignificant it seems, we must try to understand it. >>Kindly reconsider your views in the above light.<< Well, so far I haven't heard anything convincing enough, so for now I'm sticking to my guns. But thanks for the fascinating chat anyway, Hare Krishna, Pursottam Answer-3 gjlist-request [gjlist-request] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Friday, 17 September 1999 3:28 AM Pursottam Dabasia; GJLIST Re: Graha Yuddha JAYA JAGANNATH Dear Purushottama, I agree with you on one fundamental issue. There are many areas requiring research and corroboration with an intensive study. You have already embarked on this fine mission with Richard. Best wishes for the same. Do try the small point I suggested. Consider it another pearl from the ancients (Of course after you have tried it)...like the RATH'S Rules after my Grandfather. The accracy can be shocking!! Hare Rama Krishna Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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