Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to "charts can be divided into 4 types..." only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the "goodness" in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A "good chart" or a "bad chart" is a very complex issue. When you say "chart" - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Dear All,A very relevant mail indeed.I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail.I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa).Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " .Best regards/Jay WeissOn 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all,I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article relatedto " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level.But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart tobe the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck orill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does notnecessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may bebecause of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are:(a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not getto enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or makegood combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha andtherefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing.I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leadsmostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though thechart as a whole is bad.(b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)andmoon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course.Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or forthat matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisionalcharts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts areequally bad or good.There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed.Summary:Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planetsis not only very complex but very complementary to many otherparamateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience.Satish KingiAstrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> > Dear all,> > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and groupmembers from> Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact> details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away> to any one else.> > Hoping to hear from you,> > kishore patnaik> 98492 70729> > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strictdivision but> > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > >> > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be havingfruitful> > raja yogas or other lucky combinations> >> > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come> > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course,normal set> > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems couldbe heavy> > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > >> > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be veryabnormal> > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the> > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely> > vulnerable to black magic> >> > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy> > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show> > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologersdo not read> > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other> > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black> > magic> >> >> > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense,probably for> > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving> > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting anevil eye> > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can alsobe taken> > as black magic. > >> > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work:> >> > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can> > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no> > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effectthanks to> > the evil vibrations they produce> >> > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say> > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause badluck> >> > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simpleact of> > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found> > weakest> >> > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. Ifthey say> > anything bad, it will come to pass> >> >> > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and> > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies.> >> > regards,> >> > kishore patnaik> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 dear kingee, You are only taking things forward where I have left them. Good work, Kishore patnaik On 5/11/07, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all,I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article relatedto " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is:When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart tobe the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck orill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does notnecessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may bebecause of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are:(a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not getto enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or makegood combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha andtherefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing.I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leadsmostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though thechart as a whole is bad.(b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)andmoon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course.Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or forthat matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisionalcharts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts areequally bad or good.There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed.Summary:Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planetsis not only very complex but very complementary to many otherparamateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience.Satish KingiAstrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear all,> > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and groupmembers from> Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose orgiven away> to any one else.> > Hoping to hear from you,> > kishore patnaik> 98492 70729> > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> >> >> > > > Dear all,> >> > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strictdivision but> > i am writing what i have seen or heard.> >> > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful> > raja yogas or other lucky combinations> >> > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which wecome> > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set> > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems couldbe heavy> > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations> >> > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal> > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the> > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would beextremely> > vulnerable to black magic > >> > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy> > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimeseven show> > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read> > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other> > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerableto black> > magic> > > >> > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense,probably for> > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites.Giving> > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye> > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can alsobe taken> > as black magic.> >> > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work:> > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can> > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of youfor no> > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to> > the evil vibrations they produce> >> > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of yourlife- say> > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck> >> > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simpleact of> > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when youare found> > weakest > >> > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. Ifthey say> > anything bad, it will come to pass> >> >> > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and> > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies.> >> > regards,> >> > kishore patnaik> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Jay, Can you elaborate a bit on other combinations referred please? By Jupiter/ Venus you are probably referring to RY for Leo lagna. What did you have in mind while mentioning Saturn/Rahu? Best regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/11/2007 05:02 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear All, A very relevant mail indeed. I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail. I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa). Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " . Best regards /Jay Weiss On 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Ramesh,Sorry for the delay in replying.No, no RY. Jupiter and Venus, although benefics are also enemies, something which many tend to forget/ignore. The Vim. dasa of those two planets are very tricky, depending on the lagna (lordships) and placement from each other. Often one may see certain negative result on one hand and a positive on the other (often connected with a spiritual issue). The basic Parasara principal should not be ignored... As to Saturn/Rahu ( & visa versa): K.N. Rao has found out that during those two periods (ref. " Enigmas in Astrology " ) there seem to be " two Rahu's " or " two Saturn " in function. Results may be very tricky and unpredictable and depend on many parameters. Best regards/Jay WeissOn 14/05/07, Ramesh.F.Gangaramani < Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Jay, Can you elaborate a bit on other combinations referred please? By Jupiter/ Venus you are probably referring to RY for Leo lagna. What did you have in mind while mentioning Saturn/Rahu? Best regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/11/2007 05:02 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear All, A very relevant mail indeed. I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail. I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa). Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " . Best regards /Jay Weiss On 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti > wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Jay, You are right BPHS states Jupiter, Venus conjunction is not a RY for Leo lagna. It does not say so for other unfriendly kendra lords like Saturn! Is it ok to generalize? regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/16/2007 12:34 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear Ramesh, Sorry for the delay in replying. No, no RY. Jupiter and Venus, although benefics are also enemies, something which many tend to forget/ignore. The Vim. dasa of those two planets are very tricky, depending on the lagna (lordships) and placement from each other. Often one may see certain negative result on one hand and a positive on the other (often connected with a spiritual issue). The basic Parasara principal should not be ignored... As to Saturn/Rahu ( & visa versa): K.N. Rao has found out that during those two periods (ref. " Enigmas in Astrology " ) there seem to be " two Rahu's " or " two Saturn " in function. Results may be very tricky and unpredictable and depend on many parameters. Best regards /Jay Weiss On 14/05/07, Ramesh.F.Gangaramani < Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Jay, Can you elaborate a bit on other combinations referred please? By Jupiter/ Venus you are probably referring to RY for Leo lagna. What did you have in mind while mentioning Saturn/Rahu? Best regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/11/2007 05:02 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear All, A very relevant mail indeed. I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail. I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa). Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " . Best regards /Jay Weiss On 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti > wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 dear jay, if results are tricky or contradictory for almost every vim dasha, then we are not able to read the charts properly. please follow laghu parasari along with some good books on vim dasha of the modern writers. there is nothing tricky, though i agree that we can only read and predict but who can other than Brahma himself say what is really going to happen in future? For eg., jup and venus can be wonderful in areas where both agree. for eg., if jup is yoga karaka and your venus is determinging your career, this dasha can bring you a wonderful RY. But it may not be so in other areas. for eg., if you are having a gala extra marital affair till ven-jup, it may land you in severe problems including jail during ven-jup. Similarly, health is another issue where venus can give you carefree attitude to your health and jup, esp if he is not a good star lord, can give you an extremely bad health. hope you agree with meregards, Kishore patnaik On 5/16/07, Jay Weiss <weissjay > wrote: Dear Ramesh,Sorry for the delay in replying.No, no RY. Jupiter and Venus, although benefics are also enemies, something which many tend to forget/ignore. The Vim. dasa of those two planets are very tricky, depending on the lagna (lordships) and placement from each other. Often one may see certain negative result on one hand and a positive on the other (often connected with a spiritual issue). The basic Parasara principal should not be ignored... As to Saturn/Rahu ( & visa versa): K.N. Rao has found out that during those two periods (ref. " Enigmas in Astrology " ) there seem to be " two Rahu's " or " two Saturn " in function. Results may be very tricky and unpredictable and depend on many parameters. Best regards/Jay WeissOn 14/05/07, Ramesh.F.Gangaramani < Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Jay, Can you elaborate a bit on other combinations referred please? By Jupiter/ Venus you are probably referring to RY for Leo lagna. What did you have in mind while mentioning Saturn/Rahu? Best regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/11/2007 05:02 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear All, A very relevant mail indeed. I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail. I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa). Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " . Best regards /Jay Weiss On 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti > wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Dear Kishore patnaik,I believe that most members are fairly knowledgeable to realize that no dasa interpretation is conducted based on any single parameter. In the particular case of Jup/Ven & Ven/Jup the basic issue to memorize is that these two are enemies. Secondly, which lagna we are dealing with (their lordships) and thirdly their positional relations (like 6/8, 5/9 etc.). Besides all other factors like their position from Sun , Moon and lagna, aspects and argala (in both directions) etc. - all count and should never be neglected. I can say confidently that the cases I have seen (besides the ones described in K.N.Rao's book) with these dasas have either started exceptionally positive or negative, only to turn the situation 180 degrees at the end of the antardasa (i.e. positive ended very negative and visa versa). Best regards /Jay WeissOn 17/05/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: dear jay, if results are tricky or contradictory for almost every vim dasha, then we are not able to read the charts properly. please follow laghu parasari along with some good books on vim dasha of the modern writers. there is nothing tricky, though i agree that we can only read and predict but who can other than Brahma himself say what is really going to happen in future? For eg., jup and venus can be wonderful in areas where both agree. for eg., if jup is yoga karaka and your venus is determinging your career, this dasha can bring you a wonderful RY. But it may not be so in other areas. for eg., if you are having a gala extra marital affair till ven-jup, it may land you in severe problems including jail during ven-jup. Similarly, health is another issue where venus can give you carefree attitude to your health and jup, esp if he is not a good star lord, can give you an extremely bad health. hope you agree with meregards, Kishore patnaik On 5/16/07, Jay Weiss < weissjay > wrote: Dear Ramesh,Sorry for the delay in replying.No, no RY. Jupiter and Venus, although benefics are also enemies, something which many tend to forget/ignore. The Vim. dasa of those two planets are very tricky, depending on the lagna (lordships) and placement from each other. Often one may see certain negative result on one hand and a positive on the other (often connected with a spiritual issue). The basic Parasara principal should not be ignored... As to Saturn/Rahu ( & visa versa): K.N. Rao has found out that during those two periods (ref. " Enigmas in Astrology " ) there seem to be " two Rahu's " or " two Saturn " in function. Results may be very tricky and unpredictable and depend on many parameters. Best regards/Jay WeissOn 14/05/07, Ramesh.F.Gangaramani < Ramesh.F.Gangaramani wrote: Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Jay, Can you elaborate a bit on other combinations referred please? By Jupiter/ Venus you are probably referring to RY for Leo lagna. What did you have in mind while mentioning Saturn/Rahu? Best regards Ramesh weissjay Sent by: 05/11/2007 05:02 PM Please respond to To cc Subject Re: [Om Krishna Guru] [Fwd: Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad] Dear All, A very relevant mail indeed. I would like to support the example of GK-yoga for Leo lagna given in this mail. I have 5 cases of Leo lagna (including my own chart) where there is a GK yoga and vimshottari dasa of Jupiter/Moon for all 5 was a very bad period, with respect to both planets placement. Similar issues can be found in the dasas of Jupiter/Venus and Saturn/Rahu (and visa versa). Those three issues were also enlighten in K.N.Rao's book " Enigmas in Astrology " with a clear warning of them been " Tricky " . Best regards /Jay Weiss On 11/05/07, Visti Larsen <visti > wrote: ------- Re: Astrologers from Hyderabad Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:11 -0000 astrokinghyd <astrokinghyd -owner Dear all, I agree with Mr. Kishore Patnaik's observations in his article related to " charts can be divided into 4 types... " only at the literal level. But there is something more I want to add - and it is: When we discuss or think about a chart we imply or mean the chart to be the device reponsible to bring about certain amount of good-luck or ill-luck, commensurate with the chart. If this is true then I would like to submit that though charts might be of 4 types that does not necessarily mean that the luck-outcome is of 4 types.This may be because of several reasons - a few that strike me immediately are: (a)The mahadashas enjoyed by the native sre also important. Most of the effects of the good horoscope is lost if the native does not get to enjoy the Mahadasha of the planets that are well placed or make good combinations in their Horoscope. I have many such expeiences. Example: Leo Asc - 9th lord Mars in ninth house having aspect from Jupiter and Sun. His life started with Jupiter Mahadasha and therefore, he hardly got the taste of Sun Mahadasha- not to talk of Mars Mahadasha. What do you think the " goodness " in his horoscope led him to? - Nothing. I have also experienced the opposite of this where the person leads mostly Mahadasha of the planets that are better placed, though the chart as a whole is bad. (b) Good Yoga does not mean good results, always. Imagine a gaja-keshari yoga when Jupiter accompanies Moon in 4th house for a Leo ascendant! Jupiter here is the 8th Lord (and 5th Lord as well)and moon is the 12th Lord. Will really this good yoga create good results in the native's life - is a subject of debate and experience, of course. Therefore, good yogas make a chart good but the results may not be good. © A " good chart " or a " bad chart " is a very complex issue. When you say " chart " - which chart is it? Birth, Navamsha, Moon Lagna, or for that matter any other divisional chart? We all know that Divisional charts are as important as natal chart (or some times, even more).We are yet to see any native whose all the above mentioned charts are equally bad or good. There are many such cases -only a few that come to my mind are listed. Summary: Goodness or badness of chart matters goodness or badness of results. All I want to say is that the study of results of good or bad planets is not only very complex but very complementary to many other paramateres. Astrology is an ocean and any comments on my views will only add to my limited knowledge and experience. Satish Kingi Astrologer, Hyderabad, India , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to be in touch with all the astrologers and group members from > Hyderabad. I request you to please send me your details and contact > details. The same will not be used for any commercial purpose or given away > to any one else. > > Hoping to hear from you, > > kishore patnaik > 98492 70729 > > On 4/21/07, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > The charts can be divided into 4 types. This is not a strict division but > > i am writing what i have seen or heard. > > > > 1. Charts which are extremely good- these charts would be having fruitful > > raja yogas or other lucky combinations > > > > 2. Charts which are normal or average- most of the charts which we come > > across They are average charts with normal fortune and of course, normal set > > of problems in one or two areas. Some times, these problems could be heavy > > in these areas depending upon the planetary combin ations > > > > 3. Weak charts Planetary combinationwise, they may not be very abnormal > > but the problem here would be the fortune giving yogas or the > > benefics/yogakarakas will be extremely weak. These people would be extremely > > vulnerable to black magic > > > > 4. Bad charts these charts are heavily inflicted and indicate heavy > > misfortune to the native The traditional astrologers sometimes even show > > heavy reluctance to read such charts. For eg., some astrologers do not read > > charts which have pisaca bandhaki yoga accentuated by some other > > afflictions Needless to say, these people are the most vulnerable to black > > magic > > > > > > Now, I have used the black magic in an extremely wide sense, probably for > > knowledge of better words- it need not be extensive tantric rites. Giving > > some charity to transfer my bad luck to you, or even casting an evil eye > > upon your general well being or some good luck (dhristi) can also be taken > > as black magic. > > > > Now, I have noticed following black magic to work: > > > > 1. Nara ghosha : People are generally jealous of you and you can > > encounter backstabbing for nothing The people talk ill of you for no > > reason what so ever. This general bad talk can adversely effect thanks to > > the evil vibrations they produce > > > > 2. Dhrishti : People are jealous for a certain aspect of your life- say > > you wore an extremely good dress or jewellery. This can cause bad luck > > > > 3. Cheeda : People can transfer their bad luck to you by a simple act of > > say, just by presenting oily cereals to you at a moment when you are found > > weakest > > > > 4. black tongue: Some people are bestowed with a black tongue. If they say > > anything bad, it will come to pass > > > > > > So, I request the group to discuss these and other effects in general and > > from an astro point of view along with possible remedies. > > > > regards, > > > > kishore patnaik > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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