My experience. Surely different from others.

June 10, 2008

Friends,

I am going to narate my experience with naadi. Reading this you may

think I am a fool or a liar... I dont care. This was my real

experience.

This was a long time back in Madras (yah Chennai was called that in

those days). I would not be giving too much of specifics because many

finer things have slipped from my memory. I was a student at that

time doing post graduation and had some curiosity. I was attracted by

the advertisement in the classified and went to see this naadi. I

think it is jeeva naadi (I had absolutely no idea what the nadi stuff

was). Believe me you have to wind your clock to 1983 or so when

things were laid back and no internet or many publications - so

awarness amongst guys like me was very less. I did not even know that

you would be asked questions to reach your naadi leaves etc.

I went to this gentleman in Chennai. The advertised price was Rs100,

I think. (That was sizable those days and as a student I found it

steep). I had a scholarship and my father was a gentleman - he let me

have the money and this came from that savings. I entered the room

after a wait. The room aparently constructed to be a bedroom attached

to the veranda where I waited was made like a prayer room with

photographs of Gods. The smell of incense and dark cool climate hit

me. I faced the man who stood taller than me and was bulky with the

forehead painted with what ever he could lay hands on like Vibudhi,

kumkum, chandan, dark ash, hanuman sindur etc. He was dark and wore

spectacles. He wore a safron dhothi and safron kurta. I forgot his

name.

He enquired about me. Remember I had just entered 20s and I think he

treated me as a kid (I can see a hidden sarcastic smile in him). He

spoke to me as you would to a 5 year old kid. He tried to impress me

with his English. There was no naadi or astrology talk and this was

plain socialising. May be that is " Jeeva naadi " style. After the

pleasantries he must have been very curious - I am sure in those days

not many like me who are still students would venture to read the

leaves. Times have changed now of course.

Then came the interesting part - he said he would need the " kai

regai " (finger prints). He took a black paint and applied all over my

palm! Took a white page and pressed it very hard to get an amazing

clear image of my palm. He repeated it for the other hand too! He

gave a very satisfied smile and took the paper and placed it under

the table lamp (oh I did not tell you the room was a prayer room lit

only with oil lamps and we had a consultation table which had a

tablelamp. I must have resembled an arrested suspect being

interorgated by special investigation officer.)

He then pointed to a basin (just a metal basin and not the one with

tap). The basin had water and soap next to it. He wiped my hands with

some tissue and let me wash my hands and return. He was intently

studying my palm print with a magnifying glass like a scientist

looking through a microscope.

Next he passed me a pad which had a printed form and asked me to fill

all my details. You would see those kind of forms given by internet

naadi readers - they get all details straight from you (parents name,

siblings, job, date time place of birth etc). I filled in all detail

faithfully. The form also asked me to list my questions. I left that

blank. I really did not have any questions for which I needed answer.

I was a simpleton. I just wanted to know my future that is all. Guys

of my age worry about jobs after education. I somehow did not have

that anxiety even though I was not those lucky ones. Despite all my

good marks in school I could not get admission to professional course

in Chennai (for reasons best not described here). Guys of my age also

desperately would try to learn of their love life, marriage and

fiance. I had no interest in marriage or girlfriends (Not that I was

a saint!). The real reason was that about a year prior to my visit to

the naadi a girl I was in love with got married after dumping me. So

that numbed my interest in marriages also. So I did not ask any

questions.

Looking at the blank column our Naadi astrologer asked " Do you not

have any question? " . I said no. He said you should have something and

tried to pull something from me. After all what is that he is going

to speak if i have no agenda - right? After a 4 minute debate; he

said you must be wanting something in life; what is it? Then I knew

this would not end so have to give some answer so I said " if I want

something my desire would be to for peace in the world. " He quickly

misintrepretted me and said " oh yah so you dont have peace of mind "

Ok.

Then I asked him " Do you need my horoscope? " He said he can cast. I

produced my chart to him to save time and effort. He looked

amazed: " You know your horoscope? " (If you want to know how his

expression type in messnger.) He said, " Young man, you seem

to be very versatile. " A sort of respect came to his attitude. He

took my chart and then pulled out a blank form and wrote my chart in

it for his reference and returned my copy. I think he is a good

astrologer because the moment he saw the chart he asked a couple of

questions about my family - these yogas were there in my chart so I

knew he was good reader of horoscopes.

It was nearly 45 minutes and I was getting impatient to get my

reading. He then collected the fee and said ok over. I gaped. He said

come next week wednesday I will locate and keep your palm leaves. I

was shocked. I really did not expect this. But no option and had to

leave.

Day of reading arrives:

I was counting the days and one day prior to wednesday I called to

check the time as he had advised. He gave appointment at 4pm. So on

Wednesday I could not spend time so reached there at 3pm! His wife

looked through the window and scolded: " He told you to come at 4pm

why you come so early! " I was asked to come later, so I had to leave

and went to a near by tea shop to spend the time over a cup of tea.

I reached 2 minutes to 4 and the same lady curtly said sit and went

off. I waited 30 min. I think our naadi reader had his bath rituals

etc. Then I was called in. He again tried to impress me with his

English. Ultimately I convinced him to speak in Tamil itself. He

pulled out the palm leaves. I could see it was old and was in Tamil.

I could read few words off it. He started singing. Telling what my

name is parents name etc. No surprise because I had given all of it.

At this point I pulled out my pen and looked around for a paper to

note. He looked up and asked what I wanted. I said " I want to write

down. " He said NO flatly. He ordered " Just listen. " These things are

not to be written. You folks can now understand why I am not able to

give too much precise details of what all he predicted. Not only was

it vague, I was deprived taking notes on key points.

There were a lot of things he read which is like a speach given by

one of the swamijis speaking convincingly of Bagwad gita or a

Christian priest trying to brainwash the listners into believing in

Jesus or simply one of the modern day personality development program

lecturer mesmerising his students on the essense of possitive

thinking. Whatever it most things read out from the palm leaf was

general stuff good to listen but hard to remember. At one place the

sage wrote in the palm leaf that I would be fat! Wow what a

discovery. Our naadi reader was simply impressed " how well the sage

was able to predict even my physique! " I noded in " amazement " -

after all I have paid to be get amazed.

He then said something about my future profession saying I might

travel overseas etc. He said that it might be gulf countries. (I

think gulf was the hot destination those days). He said something

which I really wished came true (but did not). He said I would

perhaps be engaged in a diplomatic mission to mid-east. I would have

loved such a diplomatic service. I do not know how he said that. But

after about 10 years later when nothing of that nature happened, I

realise that this might have been naadi reader's spin because I said

in the biodata form I have no questions to ask of the sage and upon

being coerced I said I want peace in world.

He went to my marriage (I am not sure of the sequence so just telling

the way i recall now). He said my wife would have name of some Godess

(I have completely forgotten what name he gave for my would be wife -

how I can forget I do not know).

He then came to my mental attitudes and here he spent a fair deal of

time. He said that I was attracted to girls. He gave me a sly smile

and I started blushing. He said sage knows that you like women very

much. I could not respond - I lost my courage with embarassment. He

sang some more lines and then said you may not control your

attraction to women. Then he went into coloquial (again much like

personality development program lecturer, I mentioned before!). He

said: " When you walk in road you see a pretty girl you turn and see

her - yes or no? " I noded my eyes on the palm leaves afraid to meet

his eyes. He continued " You would imagine how this girl would look if

she was in blue saree right or not? " He smiled and said with a

pause: " Then you would look at her hip and then thigh where you would

search for her panty line! " I was shocked and my mouth must have

opened in a gape. I had this fascination of looking at girls butt to

see if it reveals the pantyline and I believed that it was so unique

to me and no one else does that. How did this man know that. (Several

decades later now I curse myself for being so naive that day and for

being embarrased because what I thought was my unique obsession with

women pantylines is not at all unique. In the internet you see every

other man excited at post of such photos that reveal pantylines!). I

was foolish at the lack of this knowledge 25 years back. Anyway the

naadi readers final blow came when he said " And finally you would

imagine how this pretty girl would look if the saree was not there in

her body " ! I think my mood went completely on the defensive. Little

did I realise that every youth has fantasys (I was an introvert and

never discussed these things with my peers so I believed these were

fantasies unique to me). Now sadly, I learnt about my embarassing

personality from the naadi leaf. I was dumbstruck. I had spent more

than one hour with my readings in a dark room facing this man dressed

in saints robes. He then concluded " these kinds of desires may be

causing lack of peace of mind right? " I took courage to defend saying

I never said I dont have peace of mind. I merely said I would love

peace.

I could not face this naadi reader's eyes much more out of shame he

had seen through some of my closely guarded fantasies. After decades

I realise I was a fool because at that age most of us have such

fantasies and this man had just played on my ignorance. At this

juncture he started singing and said now the sage goes to your

previous birth. I was wondering who the hell is interested in

previous birth anyway I was mentally exhausted after the previous

paragraph so sat it out. Surprisingly I clearly remember my previous

birth name even though I forgot the name of my would be wife (sad I

am not able to verify that)! He then said the place where I lived in

my previous birth (For some reasons, I prefer not to to mention the

place here). It is a small village and the nadi reader took some

effort to pronounce. I corrected him and he looked up in surprise. He

said " you know the place? " I said " yes. " He then kept aside the palm

leaves and with his proud English he asked me details of the place.

How I happened to visit there etc. I really dont know why, but I had

been to that village half a dozen times in early 1980s. The place

attracted me and had a temple which had a peculiar ritual which no

other temple has. I had no relatives in that village but my cousin

lived in a city which is about 30 kms from it and everytime I visit

my cousin I feel happy to visit that temple for no specific reason. I

did not tell him all of this but some things and he was surprised

because he did not even know where the place was (I think he genuinly

did not know).

Then he said from his leaves that there was a very young pretty girl

in that village who worships the snake. One day as she was going for

prayers my (previous birth 'my') sexual feelings got the better of me

and I killed the snake and raped her and she committed suicide. That

is my previous birth sin.

He said may be the reason for my sexual fantasies now is remainder of

my previous birth personality but added that I am very refined now

and I am not the womaniser that I used to be in previous birth. He

said dont feel sad. Actually, I was really not feeling sad - I was in

very peaceful mood. I think my mind was becoming blank. I had no

fear.

He said do not be nervous or afraid since the sage has got a remedy.

He read some songs and said you need to make 12 statues of kethu (I

not sure what material). Pray to it and immerse in sea. He said he

would do that for me and he said sage also spedified the cost for

this prayer and said it is one thousand one hundred and one velli

(velli in tamil is silver) and that he transalated saying one velli

is one rupee. He said, " Pay me Rs1101 I make all arrangement; you

just come and sit for half hour prayer. Then I would throw statues in

occean your sins would wash. "

Then he closed the palm. It was shock to me. I never knew this was in

store. I just thought predictions means they would say few mundane

things. I never bargained for a 2 hour discourse and then I never

knew that previous birth readings and shanti was part of naadi. I had

taken a blind plunge and got in this shit.

The reader was getting very aggressive now. Forcing me to commit on

the date I would do the remedy for him to block his time. I said I ve

financial difficulties. He raised his voice: " Sage has said you

should do so you should do " . He said " just give a phone call when

ready with money and in a few days I arrange for pooja " . He took me

to the prayer area and put a flower and spoon of water in my palm and

asked to drop in floor and said " now place an advance amount here. "

I was being cornered. I am obedient by nature and I did not want to

disobey. I took Rs10 from my purse (Rs 10 in those days would buy 3

thali meals in udipi hotel). He said place more 101 at least. I said

no money now and said excuse. The last thing he said was that he

would wait my phone confirmation. I noded and walked off.

That was Agastya Jeeva Naadi for me.

I checked my bank balance and could have managed the money from my

scholarship savings. I debated for a week to ten days. I could not

discuss with anyone. Astrology and especially these kind was taboo in

my family. Then I said to myself 'even if death may come to me

because of my previous birth sins let it be.' I took courage to face

it without succumbing to the naadi readers advice.

In two months time I left Chennai because I completed studies and got

a job in north India. Since then I have had my share of intese

sufferings in life and equally I have had several great moments of

success and joy too. If there is one regret it is that I am not able

to recall all of what he predicted after all I paid for it and even

if it were wrong I should have been able to enjoy reading it again

and verify the truth. The naadi reader refused to give the palm

leaves - but I did manage to peek and read my name and my rasi chart

was also very clear. It was an experience. For me it was worthless

experience since nothing came out of it. Even without the naadi, I

knew I had some Kethu afflication in my chart. So around mid 1990s I

did go to Kalahasthi of my own initiative and performed pooja. Life

has not improved or worsened after that. I live on and so do the

naadis..... But I feel one day I would surely venture another visit

to another naadi astrologer.

Yes, I did once more but that in my next.......

June 10, 2008

Interesting to read but too...oo....oo...... lengthyThank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

From: vr.2006Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:20:32 +0000 My experience. Surely different from others.

Friends,I am going to narate my experience with naadi. Reading this you may think I am a fool or a liar... I dont care. This was my real experience.This was a long time back in Madras (yah Chennai was called that in those days). I would not be giving too much of specifics because many finer things have slipped from my memory. I was a student at that time doing post graduation and had some curiosity. I was attracted by the advertisement in the classified and went to see this naadi. I think it is jeeva naadi (I had absolutely no idea what the nadi stuff was). Believe me you have to wind your clock to 1983 or so when things were laid back and no internet or many publications - so awarness amongst guys like me was very less. I did not even know that you would be asked questions to reach your naadi leaves etc.I went to this gentleman in Chennai. The advertised price was Rs100, I think. (That was sizable those days and as a student I found it steep). I had a scholarship and my father was a gentleman - he let me have the money and this came from that savings. I entered the room after a wait. The room aparently constructed to be a bedroom attached to the veranda where I waited was made like a prayer room with photographs of Gods. The smell of incense and dark cool climate hit me. I faced the man who stood taller than me and was bulky with the forehead painted with what ever he could lay hands on like Vibudhi, kumkum, chandan, dark ash, hanuman sindur etc. He was dark and wore spectacles. He wore a safron dhothi and safron kurta. I forgot his name.He enquired about me. Remember I had just entered 20s and I think he treated me as a kid (I can see a hidden sarcastic smile in him). He spoke to me as you would to a 5 year old kid. He tried to impress me with his English. There was no naadi or astrology talk and this was plain socialising. May be that is "Jeeva naadi" style. After the pleasantries he must have been very curious - I am sure in those days not many like me who are still students would venture to read the leaves. Times have changed now of course.Then came the interesting part - he said he would need the "kai regai" (finger prints). He took a black paint and applied all over my palm! Took a white page and pressed it very hard to get an amazing clear image of my palm. He repeated it for the other hand too! He gave a very satisfied smile and took the paper and placed it under the table lamp (oh I did not tell you the room was a prayer room lit only with oil lamps and we had a consultation table which had a tablelamp. I must have resembled an arrested suspect being interorgated by special investigation officer.)He then pointed to a basin (just a metal basin and not the one with tap). The basin had water and soap next to it. He wiped my hands with some tissue and let me wash my hands and return. He was intently studying my palm print with a magnifying glass like a scientist looking through a microscope.Next he passed me a pad which had a printed form and asked me to fill all my details. You would see those kind of forms given by internet naadi readers - they get all details straight from you (parents name, siblings, job, date time place of birth etc). I filled in all detail faithfully. The form also asked me to list my questions. I left that blank. I really did not have any questions for which I needed answer. I was a simpleton. I just wanted to know my future that is all. Guys of my age worry about jobs after education. I somehow did not have that anxiety even though I was not those lucky ones. Despite all my good marks in school I could not get admission to professional course in Chennai (for reasons best not described here). Guys of my age also desperately would try to learn of their love life, marriage and fiance. I had no interest in marriage or girlfriends (Not that I was a saint!). The real reason was that about a year prior to my visit to the naadi a girl I was in love with got married after dumping me. So that numbed my interest in marriages also. So I did not ask any questions. Looking at the blank column our Naadi astrologer asked "Do you not have any question?". I said no. He said you should have something and tried to pull something from me. After all what is that he is going to speak if i have no agenda - right? After a 4 minute debate; he said you must be wanting something in life; what is it? Then I knew this would not end so have to give some answer so I said "if I want something my desire would be to for peace in the world." He quickly misintrepretted me and said "oh yah so you dont have peace of mind" Ok.Then I asked him "Do you need my horoscope?" He said he can cast. I produced my chart to him to save time and effort. He looked amazed: "You know your horoscope?" (If you want to know how his expression type in messnger.) He said, "Young man, you seem to be very versatile." A sort of respect came to his attitude. He took my chart and then pulled out a blank form and wrote my chart in it for his reference and returned my copy. I think he is a good astrologer because the moment he saw the chart he asked a couple of questions about my family - these yogas were there in my chart so I knew he was good reader of horoscopes.It was nearly 45 minutes and I was getting impatient to get my reading. He then collected the fee and said ok over. I gaped. He said come next week wednesday I will locate and keep your palm leaves. I was shocked. I really did not expect this. But no option and had to leave.Day of reading arrives:I was counting the days and one day prior to wednesday I called to check the time as he had advised. He gave appointment at 4pm. So on Wednesday I could not spend time so reached there at 3pm! His wife looked through the window and scolded: "He told you to come at 4pm why you come so early!" I was asked to come later, so I had to leave and went to a near by tea shop to spend the time over a cup of tea.I reached 2 minutes to 4 and the same lady curtly said sit and went off. I waited 30 min. I think our naadi reader had his bath rituals etc. Then I was called in. He again tried to impress me with his English. Ultimately I convinced him to speak in Tamil itself. He pulled out the palm leaves. I could see it was old and was in Tamil. I could read few words off it. He started singing. Telling what my name is parents name etc. No surprise because I had given all of it.At this point I pulled out my pen and looked around for a paper to note. He looked up and asked what I wanted. I said "I want to write down." He said NO flatly. He ordered "Just listen." These things are not to be written. You folks can now understand why I am not able to give too much precise details of what all he predicted. Not only was it vague, I was deprived taking notes on key points.There were a lot of things he read which is like a speach given by one of the swamijis speaking convincingly of Bagwad gita or a Christian priest trying to brainwash the listners into believing in Jesus or simply one of the modern day personality development program lecturer mesmerising his students on the essense of possitive thinking. Whatever it most things read out from the palm leaf was general stuff good to listen but hard to remember. At one place the sage wrote in the palm leaf that I would be fat! Wow what a discovery. Our naadi reader was simply impressed "how well the sage was able to predict even my physique!" I noded in "amazement" - after all I have paid to be get amazed.He then said something about my future profession saying I might travel overseas etc. He said that it might be gulf countries. (I think gulf was the hot destination those days). He said something which I really wished came true (but did not). He said I would perhaps be engaged in a diplomatic mission to mid-east. I would have loved such a diplomatic service. I do not know how he said that. But after about 10 years later when nothing of that nature happened, I realise that this might have been naadi reader's spin because I said in the biodata form I have no questions to ask of the sage and upon being coerced I said I want peace in world.He went to my marriage (I am not sure of the sequence so just telling the way i recall now). He said my wife would have name of some Godess(I have completely forgotten what name he gave for my would be wife - how I can forget I do not know). He then came to my mental attitudes and here he spent a fair deal of time. He said that I was attracted to girls. He gave me a sly smile and I started blushing. He said sage knows that you like women very much. I could not respond - I lost my courage with embarassment. He sang some more lines and then said you may not control your attraction to women. Then he went into coloquial (again much like personality development program lecturer, I mentioned before!). He said: "When you walk in road you see a pretty girl you turn and see her - yes or no?" I noded my eyes on the palm leaves afraid to meet his eyes. He continued "You would imagine how this girl would look if she was in blue saree right or not?" He smiled and said with a pause: "Then you would look at her hip and then thigh where you would search for her panty line!" I was shocked and my mouth must have opened in a gape. I had this fascination of looking at girls butt to see if it reveals the pantyline and I believed that it was so unique to me and no one else does that. How did this man know that. (Several decades later now I curse myself for being so naive that day and for being embarrased because what I thought was my unique obsession with women pantylines is not at all unique. In the internet you see every other man excited at post of such photos that reveal pantylines!). I was foolish at the lack of this knowledge 25 years back. Anyway the naadi readers final blow came when he said "And finally you would imagine how this pretty girl would look if the saree was not there in her body"! I think my mood went completely on the defensive. Little did I realise that every youth has fantasys (I was an introvert and never discussed these things with my peers so I believed these were fantasies unique to me). Now sadly, I learnt about my embarassing personality from the naadi leaf. I was dumbstruck. I had spent more than one hour with my readings in a dark room facing this man dressed in saints robes. He then concluded "these kinds of desires may be causing lack of peace of mind right?" I took courage to defend saying I never said I dont have peace of mind. I merely said I would love peace.I could not face this naadi reader's eyes much more out of shame he had seen through some of my closely guarded fantasies. After decades I realise I was a fool because at that age most of us have such fantasies and this man had just played on my ignorance. At this juncture he started singing and said now the sage goes to your previous birth. I was wondering who the hell is interested in previous birth anyway I was mentally exhausted after the previous paragraph so sat it out. Surprisingly I clearly remember my previous birth name even though I forgot the name of my would be wife (sad I am not able to verify that)! He then said the place where I lived in my previous birth (For some reasons, I prefer not to to mention the place here). It is a small village and the nadi reader took some effort to pronounce. I corrected him and he looked up in surprise. He said "you know the place?" I said "yes." He then kept aside the palm leaves and with his proud English he asked me details of the place. How I happened to visit there etc. I really dont know why, but I had been to that village half a dozen times in early 1980s. The place attracted me and had a temple which had a peculiar ritual which no other temple has. I had no relatives in that village but my cousin lived in a city which is about 30 kms from it and everytime I visit my cousin I feel happy to visit that temple for no specific reason. I did not tell him all of this but some things and he was surprised because he did not even know where the place was (I think he genuinly did not know).Then he said from his leaves that there was a very young pretty girl in that village who worships the snake. One day as she was going for prayers my (previous birth 'my') sexual feelings got the better of me and I killed the snake and raped her and she committed suicide. That is my previous birth sin.He said may be the reason for my sexual fantasies now is remainder of my previous birth personality but added that I am very refined now and I am not the womaniser that I used to be in previous birth. He said dont feel sad. Actually, I was really not feeling sad - I was in very peaceful mood. I think my mind was becoming blank. I had no fear. He said do not be nervous or afraid since the sage has got a remedy. He read some songs and said you need to make 12 statues of kethu (I not sure what material). Pray to it and immerse in sea. He said he would do that for me and he said sage also spedified the cost for this prayer and said it is one thousand one hundred and one velli (velli in tamil is silver) and that he transalated saying one velli is one rupee. He said, "Pay me Rs1101 I make all arrangement; you just come and sit for half hour prayer. Then I would throw statues in occean your sins would wash."Then he closed the palm. It was shock to me. I never knew this was in store. I just thought predictions means they would say few mundane things. I never bargained for a 2 hour discourse and then I never knew that previous birth readings and shanti was part of naadi. I had taken a blind plunge and got in this shit.The reader was getting very aggressive now. Forcing me to commit on the date I would do the remedy for him to block his time. I said I ve financial difficulties. He raised his voice: "Sage has said you should do so you should do". He said "just give a phone call when ready with money and in a few days I arrange for pooja". He took me to the prayer area and put a flower and spoon of water in my palm and asked to drop in floor and said "now place an advance amount here." I was being cornered. I am obedient by nature and I did not want to disobey. I took Rs10 from my purse (Rs 10 in those days would buy 3 thali meals in udipi hotel). He said place more 101 at least. I said no money now and said excuse. The last thing he said was that he would wait my phone confirmation. I noded and walked off.That was Agastya Jeeva Naadi for me.I checked my bank balance and could have managed the money from my scholarship savings. I debated for a week to ten days. I could not discuss with anyone. Astrology and especially these kind was taboo in my family. Then I said to myself 'even if death may come to me because of my previous birth sins let it be.' I took courage to face it without succumbing to the naadi readers advice.In two months time I left Chennai because I completed studies and got a job in north India. Since then I have had my share of intese sufferings in life and equally I have had several great moments of success and joy too. If there is one regret it is that I am not able to recall all of what he predicted after all I paid for it and even if it were wrong I should have been able to enjoy reading it again and verify the truth. The naadi reader refused to give the palm leaves - but I did manage to peek and read my name and my rasi chart was also very clear. It was an experience. For me it was worthless experience since nothing came out of it. Even without the naadi, I knew I had some Kethu afflication in my chart. So around mid 1990s I did go to Kalahasthi of my own initiative and performed pooja. Life has not improved or worsened after that. I live on and so do the naadis..... But I feel one day I would surely venture another visit to another naadi astrologer. Yes, I did once more but that in my next.......