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Rajas and others Some more information for Naadi lovers from another similar type of Group on .Note: Forwarded message attached-- Original Message --"shahshikant Oak" <shashi_oakchandel_shyam, pdswalia, shashi_oak, shashi_oakCc: , Naadiastrology , shashikantoakSubject: Re: naastrology -My long message- Rudolf H.Smit Wing Commander Shashikant Oak, Pune.India

 

 

 

Dear Dr. SS Chandelji,

and Shri.(Eqivalent to Sir in Sanskrit) Smit,

I read you answer to Shri. Rudolf H. Smit, and gone through the web site " astrology-and-science.com" Both of you have not refered about the Naadi leaf predictions. The predictions written on palm leaves in ancient past by some Maharshees whose names we read in the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagwata etc.

If permitted, i would like to contribute my views on the subject of Naadi Predictins practiced in Tamilnadu, India. It is another branch of astrology where in the 100% accuracy is could be checked with the facts of life. I have experienced the same on many occasions. Based on that I happened to write a book on the subject titled," Naadi predictions - A Mind Boggling Miracle"

Can I have your permission? My mail addr is in this mail.

Wing Commander (Retd) Shashikant Oak, Pune, India.

 

 

 

 

Shyam Chandel naastrology vedic astrology , naastrology , astrologyncgr , sidereal_Astrology , paulo mendes <woodwater1000 Re: naastrology -My long message- Rudolf H.Smit Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:20:10 +0000 (GMT)>>Dear Mr Rudolf>>I agree with you that that predictions seems to work>not based on astrological rules, but rather on the>competence of astrologers. In fact the intuition>,pure & clean mind of a astrologger and experience to>properly interpret rules leads to better results>.Based on experience , I have found that many times>predictions can be 100% correct and some times one>fails also but one should not beleive that astrology>is not correct but it's also not a simple mathematical>calculation/interpretation . In my view ,It should be>taken as one of the statistical methods to predict>future based on the birth data & position of planets>at that time. One should have an open mind about>predictions even if it fails one should try to find>causes/additional parameters etc.>>Also astrologers should not unnecessarily feel>offended if any one criticises him.>>It is also essential to carry out computerised>studies continuosly about predictions to give more>scientific basis to astrology . Every body must have>open mind to accept critisism and we should work with>an open mind . Astrology is a vast subject with so>many theories about casting of horoscopes ,>predictions , Ayanamsa , Westeren /Indian systems and>no one is expected to master it as such tests could>fail also.>In this group many astrologers have tried to formulate>new rules regarding foreign travel, marriage etc. ,>>I feel that you should not leave astrology but carry>out more research in astrology because poeople like>you who have a serious interest can create strong>scientific base for astrology . In fact earth quake>prediction , weather prediction & mundane astrology>are the areas which require computerised analysis of>data to develop new theories>>regards>>Dr SS Chandel,Shimla, India>>paulo mendes <woodwater1000 wrote:>> >> >> >> >> > Dear Paulo,> >> > Post this message -- WITHOUT MY EMAIL ADDRESS -- to> > your group.> >> > Regards> > Rudolf> > -----------------------> >> > To all participants in the test that was submitted> > to you by Paulo Mendes.> >> > There have been several questions and remarks about> > the matching test that was submitted to you via> > Paulo Mendes. Now, to remove the apparent> > misunderstandings, here will follow a few> > clarifications.> >> > The current small experiment was based on a test> > conducted in the early thirties of the last century> > in the Netherlands, by lawyer C.P.van Rossum, a> > person who was highly sympathetic towards astrology> > and astrologers. Highly sympathetic, but critical> > nonetheless. At the time there were quite a few> > professional astrologers in the Netherlands, and one> > of the best was Mr Leo Knegt. It was this man Knegt> > who took part in the test that was set up by this> > lawyer Van Rossem.> >> > To that end Van Rossem selected 10 (ten) persons,> > most of them males, whose character and lives were> > pretty unusual by any standard. Of these people he> > submitted only the birth data and gender to> > astrologer Leo Knegt. So Van Rossem expected from> > Knegt that he would describe in detail not only> > character but above all important circumstances in> > the life of every subject. This is what is known as> > a "blind test".> >> > To make sure that every description was properly> > judged, Van Rossem not only checked the details> > himself, but it was also done by the horoscope owner> > him/herself or by a close relative, and a third> > party who knew the horoscope owner pretty well.> >> > Knegt passed the test with flying colours.> > Based solely on these BLIND data he perfectly> > described all ten persons as regards their most> > salient personality characteristics and> > circumstances in their lives. How well he did can be> > indicated by the following:> >> > Subject 6 was a female. Of this lady Knegt said> > amongst other correct facts:> >> > "The Part of Fortune in Cancer and in House 11 trine> > to Venus (lord of 10) sextile to Jupiter (lord of 6)> > and this one parallel indicates that she will> > succeed in the hotel business or in a job on a> > passengers ship, particularly since she has Venus in> > Pisces." Comment by Van Rossem: "This is> > unbelievably correct! The only job this woman had> > found after many years of searching for a job, was> > the position of (female) purser on a passengers> > ship!"> >> > How correct can one be, isn't it?> > Knegt's overall performance was of a similar> > calibre.> > In other words: truly a master astrologer.> >> > In 1997 I wrote a long article about this experiment> > in Correlation, the Research Journal of the British> > Astrological Association. I showed my readers all> > the details of subjects 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. The> > others: 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10, I saved for a test> > submitted to my readers in the way now known to you.> > So I gave them the most salient details of those> > five descriptions, and asked them to match the birth> > data to these descriptions.> >> > In 1998 I published the results of this test in the> > same journal Correlation.> > Altogether 21 astrologers had responded.> > Two of them had zero hits,> > eleven had one correct,> > six had two correct,> > and two had three correct.> >> > All of them had agreed beforehand that it was a FAIR> > test, simply because the descriptions had come from> > a highly experienced astrologer. What was even more> > fair: this astrologer had derived his descriptions> > from birth data only, hence had not been given any> > clues, apart from gender.> > So the idea was: if this astrologer can do it, then> > in principle any astrologer should be able to match> > the descriptions to the birth data.> >> > It is important to realize that the descriptions had> > come from an astrologer and not from, say,> > psychological tests of the subjects. Because> > sometimes astrologers complain that descriptions> > based on psychological tests are not in line with> > astrological practice.> >> > Anyway, these results, and YOURS, are in agreement> > with what researchers into astrology have> > experienced up to this time. Over the years many> > matching tests have been performed, and see what the> > results were:> >> > So the question is: can astrologers match birth> > charts to owners? In astrology books they do it all> > the time with unfailing success. But in the 54> > studies to date, which involved over 740 astrologers> > and 1400 birth charts, the average success rate was> > no better than chance. For these astrologers, many> > of them among the world's most prominent, astrology> > performed no better than tossing a coin. In a> > further 18 studies involving over 650 clients and> > 2100 readings, clients were unable to pick their own> > reading out of several, at least not when cues such> > as sign names or descriptions were absent.> >> > So you will see that "your" results do not deviate> > that much from what has been achieved so far.> >> > A salient point is that clients cannot pick their> > own descriptions out of several others.> > Why is this salient? One of you told Paulo that he> > should have come up with very elaborate> > descriptions, rather than the short ones he sent.> >> > But: our experience is that long and detailed> > descriptions do NOT lead to better results, on the> > contrary!!! Reason: the more details, the more one> > will be prone to confusion.> >> > Finally, I have had some comments which made me> > truly irritated since they were beside the point.> > One commentator even accused me of not knowing what> > I was talking about: according to him I did not know> > anything about astrology.> >> > Well, rest assured: I know a hell of a lot about> > astrology. Astrology had been my passion for over> > twenty years, the last five of which as a> > professional astrologer. I had many clients, who> > always went away satisfied with my readings. I also> > conducted many astrology classes and wrote two books> > about astrology, one as the sole author, and the> > other in collaboration with two others. I was one of> > the first to write computer programs for calculating> > horoscopes, i.e. natal charts as well as predictive> > systems, etc etc. So, do not accuse me again of not> > knowing anything about astrology!> >> > However, after I had begun to do computerized tests> > of so many astrological rules, I found out that> > these have little substance. So I gave up astrology> > after an odd twenty years or so.> >> > That astrology seems to work is not based on> > astrological rules, but rather on the competence of> > astrologers, as an astrologer like Leo Knegt had so> > aptly demonstrated.> >> > I deem it highly likely that this competence is> > based on "intuition" and not on written or unwritten> > astrological rules. Rules can be tested, and then> > appear to fail. Because if the rules are true, then> > any astrologer should come up with similar readings> > for the same chart. This is not the case as many> > tests have already proven.> > Worse: sometimes correct readings have been done on> > WRONG charts.> >> > If you want to know more about research into> > astrology, then consult my website:> >> > www.> >> > Regards to all, and thanks for participating in this> > little test.> >> > Rudolf H.Smit> > The Netherlands> >> >> >>> >>>>>>________> India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new>http://in.answers./>>>>http://www.occultwizard.com>Forecasting & solutions>>