Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hello Ramya/Srini, Just my few pennies... Not sure whether it would clarify all your doubts. Swami vivekananda has explained about 2 paths to attain salvation. 1) Renounce materialistic life and realize the one (Here renouncing is a true renouncing who could completely detach himself from all the materialistic objects and desires) 2) Attain the one by leading materialistic life but not attaching ourself too much on the materialistic objects. This is the toughest part as we are tend to be controlled by our desire most of the time. I believe that Bhakti yoga is the way for the house holder. Again we have to be careful about what we think doing good is actually enough. Karma is based on the thoughts, words and actions. You could know more about Karma from Swami Vivekananda's volume 1 Karma chapter. I would suggest to go through the following link to read Swami vivekananda's complete works. I would recommend to start from the beginning instead of jumping to the specific chapter. My belief about heaven and hell being a separate world was thrashed when I started reading Swami's book, luckily I decided to have an open mind while started to read his books. http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/complete_works.htm Hope this is of some use. Regards, Sathish --- On Wed, 17/12/08, Srinivas Kasam <kasam_sri wrote: > Srinivas Kasam <kasam_sri > Re: Help with translation of nadi leaves > > Wednesday, 17 December, 2008, 6:24 PM > > Ramya, > > Thanks a bunch for your detailed reply. I appreciate it. > > So, the path to salvation is spiritual awakening but NOT > doing good things like " Helping the needy " or > " Feeding the hungry " or any such charity/social > deeds. Because by doing such good things, we > will accumulate good karma hence we will take birth again > to face the Prarabdha karma ( good in this case ) -- Is my > understanding correct ? > However my personal opinions & practice in this > case is different....let me see what time will tell with > regards to this. > > I agree, we must believe that, God is within us...around > us....just follow your intutions and you can never be wrong. > > You wrote >>> " for everything happening to > you you should be blamed " > -- I agree and disagree with this. If I commit a mistake in > this life and if I recieve its consequences in this > life....that's acceptable and as you said the > individual should be blamed for his/her mistakes and not > GOD. But what about a case where a person is born-bind or > born-deaf or born-dumb -- It's purely based on their > previous Karma.....and my personal theory thinks that GOD > should be blamed in this case because the person who is > born-blind may not be in a position in lifetime to know the > karmic theory and understand the fact that, this > born-blindness is due to his previous karma and he will > suffer everyday thinking that " What mistake have I done > in this life to undergo this blindness " -- But the > moment he realizes that it's due to his previous karma, > then there will be a tremendous shift in the paradigm...the > person will start accepting his blindness happily. However, > my point is that, how many are gifted to become familiar > with their previous > karma......and this overall karmic theory....some people > may not even know these words.....and will be blaming GOD > everyday. Again, my theory thinks that, it makes much more > sense to suffer the bad karma in its entirety in this birth > only....just like action & reaction instantly -- > However, looks like the present system is not like this. > Perhaps there was a flaw in GOD's design while creating > Cosmos > > -- Perhaps I am being crazy to ask these questions, but > this is what my mind questions now. > > Thanks again for your time to write your detailed reply. > > -- Srini > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Ramya <ramyasundari > wrote: > > Ramya <ramyasundari > Re: Help with translation of nadi > leaves > > Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:00 AM > > > > Hi Srinivas, > > I'm not expert but below are just my views. Please > ignore if it doesn't make sense for you. Thanks. > > To answer your first scenerio the only way to nullify the > karma is thru' spiritual awakening and not doing good or > bad. If you do good, you gain good karma and you'll get > the result of it and if you do bad, you gain bad karma in > which case also you'll see the corresponding result. > > To answer your second scenerio, God only created the souls, > it is humans who learnt to contaminate it. Terrorists > contaminated their soul and are killing people which > contaminates their soul even more. When the people are being > killed by terrorists (for eg, mumbai attack, wars) to media > or viewers it might be ignorant people but we never know > what is the status of their soul, what wrong they did during > this birth and during the last birth etc. I mean not to say > that they deserve it. I just wanted to say that it is > because of their own karma and is not God to be blamed, it > is ourself to be blamed for whatever we get. > > Also your question on 'another aspect' is answered > from the above. (I'm also a strong believer of God might > be in a different form than yours; reading the below > don't think me as an Atheist. ) To add more to it > according to spiritual science and occult science, there is > nothing as God. God is mentioned as a place where the soul > has no dimenstions (including 4th and 5th dimenstion Time > and Plane) and that is why Siddhars were able to see the > future from that place as they can travel easily on all the > dimensions when they don't have any. That can be > achieved only when your karma is nullified. Even we can > become a siddhar ; we all may want to but how many tried for > it. All the gods in all the religions might be the various > forms from that place. > > Every human has a God inside which can be seen only > thru' Spiritual awakening; only if you awaken that > you'll get the ability not to commit sins. Everything is > in you whichever you want to know; for everything happening > to you you should be blamed, for everything bad happening in > the world is because everyone has contaminated our own souls > contaminating the entire earth so why to blame God. > Don't think jus over your life period (duration) for the > happenings, everything is getting accumulated might 1000s or > 2000s of years we never know; thats why we're in Kali > Yuga. > > I've tried to answer you to my best. Sorry if I've > not. > > Thanks, > Ramya. > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Srinivas Kasam > <kasam_sri wrote: > > Srinivas Kasam <kasam_sri > Re: Help with translation of nadi > leaves > > Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:08 PM > > > > On a related topic and In view of the recent terrorits > attack in Mumbai which claimed about 200 lives, I wonder > that, how many births a terrorist would have to take to > nullify/fulfill kis Karma ? > > With little knowledge what I have, I think a person like > terrorist or people like Dawood who are responsible > for killing several people, I can't imagine a way of > nullyfying their karma...so how would such people be > nullified of their karma ?? > > (OR) > > Are these terrorits God's weapons to kill people > hence these terrorists do NOT incurr any karma ? > > I am aware of a incident of a person who was a Sage in his > previous birth but unintentionally caused death to a fellow > sage under some circumstances. ...hence in this birth he is > born with " Cerebral Palsy " -- Now, think of a > terrorist who kills several people....how many births and > how much suffering he has to undergo to fulfill his karma ? > Will the world survive till such a terrorist nullifies his > karma ? Or such terrorist does NOT incurr any karma because > he is none other than God send weapon ? > > On another aspect...... Every spiritual disclosure says > " God protects us always " -- I really wonder what > is God doing when terrorists attack and claim innocent lives > ? > > May be there are things that God himself can't control > or God himself would not have imagined when he created the > Cosmos. Of late, an interesting thing striked my mind > that....Why did God create Cosmos ? What is the purpose of > this entire world and mankind ? I know Salvation is the > final stage....SO WHAT ??? What is going to happen with > Salvation ? Who asked God to create me and why I am > responsible for the Karmas ? If God had not created me I > would NOT have incurred any karma....and today I or most of > the mankind will not be in the situation of suffering due to > karmas. Hence is God the main root cause for all kinds of > karmas ? > > I am sure every individual of the mankind in their first > birth commtis sins and incurr karma and gradually put in > efforts to attain salvation... ..My question is why did God > create mankind in the very first place which is the root > cause of all karma & sufferings. > As they say, " It is human to Err " so as > " It's human to commit sins " -- If there was no > element called " Human " there would not be any > thing like karma & suffering. -- Hence I wonder why did > God create humans and this entire Cosmos ? I think God > created humans but did not give enough ability not to commit > errors/sins > > -- - What do you all say ? > > NOTE: Please note that, the purpose of writing the above > questions is only to try to understand things better. I am > looking for expert comments in this subject matter, please > do not misinterpret me. I strongly believe in God. > > -- Srini > > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, vwsu kota <pantulu4 (AT) (DOT) > co.in> wrote: > > vwsu kota <pantulu4 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Help with translation of nadi > leaves > > Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:20 PM Dear friends, > We should be happy that Mr. velmurugan is doing some > research in this field. In fact I suggested this to our > Forum coordinators that this is very necessary to throw > light on why certain things happen without our intention or > efforts. I will give a specific example. There was an > article on Mugabe, President of Zimbabwe in Los Angeles > Times dt. 14th Dec. The writer narrates that Mugabe remained > in power for the past three decades inspite of killing > thousands of his opponents. How was it possible? We can > understand if the country progressed during the regime. That > is not the case here. Zimbabwe is still backward. The stock > answer we get from even learned people is that it is due to > the good things he did in his previous birth. Can we expect > a person who commits horrible crimes in this life to be a > saint in his previous birth? This negates the karma theory. > It is necessary for a good Nadiastrologer to study this case > and pubblicize the findings so that > people can know what exactly happens because of Karma. > Right now people just do not know why things happen. Some > people presume it is because of their efforts. Bush made a > mess of the entire system and thousands of people are on the > streets because of that. Still Bush is going scotfree > whereas honest person like VP Singh had to leave within > months. Why do such things happen has to be explained on a > rational basis and not with stock replies like it is his > fate. Can some Nadiastrologer throw light on this dark > subject? > Pantulu > > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Velmurugan.M <mvel_sky (AT) (DOT) > co.in> wrote: > > Velmurugan.M <mvel_sky (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Help with translation of nadi > leaves > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:27 PM > > > Dear Friend, > > I am Velmurugan from Chennai. I am insearch of nadi leaves > for research purpose. Can you pls send me the scanned copy, > sothat it will be helpful for me. > > I will also send you the nadi readers address and phone > nos.. > > Can you pls help me.... > > > > > > Regards > M.Velmurugan--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Madhu <madhu_kaz_nair@ > .co. in> wrote: > > Madhu <madhu_kaz_nair@ .co. in> > Help with translation of nadi > leaves > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 6:12 AM > > Hi Everyone: > > I got nadi readings online and they gave me a scanned copy > of nadi readings in tamil poetic format and then translated > that into english and sent through email. > > I'm not sure if the translation has covered all the > aspects of my readings so, i was wondering if anyone in this > forum is a nadi reader or knows about a nadi reader who > would be willing to translate my scanned nadi readings over > email or phone for a nominal price. > > Thank you everyone for your patience and time. > -Madhu > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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