Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Dear Prabha ji, Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House A and 2nd lord’s Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus (kalpurush chart). Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically said “with more than 4 bindus” because we are studying for benefic. Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani’s MD, Shani will become natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. Now, we will study Saturn’s placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for karaktwa for 10th house. Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house. 1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) 3rd and 4th from NK 10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna’s site and in KAS Visuals, Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be very easy to grasp. I did not understand your 2nd question? MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of prabha.acharya Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM To: Subject: Few Doubts Respected Guruji, Ashji I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have few doubts 1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? 2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the lord of house D/ house E? 3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? Thanks Prabha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Respected Ashji Thank you for clearing my doubts. My second question is: Suppose Ve is the antra running for a native, do we then only check on whether 1) Ve is the lord of D or lord of E OR 2) Ve is placed in one of the house D or house E OR 3) Ve is with highest points in the worksheet in step 17 OR 4) Ve can be a Samdharmi planet for another planet. My other doubt is in chart related to Msg 1281, Guruji has answered it in Msg 1333. Guruji has said in that chart Ju is Lord of house D for 5th house and lord of house E for 12th house. That is ok. But since Ju is the lord of house D for 8th house and lord of house E for 9th house, then why those 2 houses were not considered? Thanks Prabha , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Prabha ji, > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > > Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House > A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural > Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus > (kalpurush chart). > > Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more > than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically > said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > > Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become > natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and > then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets > take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > > So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > > Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house > with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of > giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will > not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > > So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this > Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for > karaktwa for 10th house. > > Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa > denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, > 3rd, 4th and 10th house. > > 1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) > 3rd and 4th from NK > 10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > > Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, > Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be > very easy to grasp. > > I did not understand your 2nd question? > > MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of > sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of > prabha.acharya > Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > > Respected Guruji, Ashji > I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have > few doubts > > 1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, > then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For > example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house > B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > > 2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the > lord of house D/ house E? > > 3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in > turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > > Thanks > Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 28.08.08 Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”. 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them. In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only? 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD. I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions? Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Prabha ji, > >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus >(kalpurush chart). > >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically >said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for >karaktwa for 10th house. > >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, >3rd, 4th and 10th house. > >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) >3rd and 4th from NK >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be >very easy to grasp. > >I did not understand your 2nd question? > >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of >prabha.acharya >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > >Respected Guruji, Ashji >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have >few doubts > >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the >lord of house D/ house E? > >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > >Thanks >Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh Mathur, Sorry to interfere. I have prepared a table for the Karaktwa which I am producing below. I do not know whether it gets displayed properly or not as I prepared it in Excel and copy pasted it here. See if this helps you. Table showing Natural and Funcional Karakas of Planets-Lagnawise. Ar Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi NK for Sun 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th Moon 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th Mars 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th Mercury 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th Jupiter 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Venus 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th Saturn 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th How to read the table. In the example taken by Ash - Lagna is Gemini. Select Ge col. Against Sa row you will find 1st and 2nd. They are the FK. and take the last col which will give the NK. For deciding on karakatwa by placement, we have to go by individual charts. For the 2nd part, I think Ash or some other member will be in a better position to explain. Bala , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote:>> > 28.08.08> Dear Mr. Ash & other group members,> > This has reference to Sh Ash's nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is " Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house".> > 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa's denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them.> > In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra's in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa's. Will they interfere with the karaktwa's of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only?> > 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc).> What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD.> > I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions?> > Regards,> Nikhlesh Mathur> > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote :> >Dear Prabha ji,> >> >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa.> >> >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House> >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural> >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus> >(kalpurush chart).> >> >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more> >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically> >said "with more than 4 bindus" because we are studying for benefic.> >> >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become> >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and> >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets> >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house.> >> >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house.> >> >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house> >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of> >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will> >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house.> >> >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this> >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for> >karaktwa for 10th house.> >> >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa> >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd,> >3rd, 4th and 10th house.> >> >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna)> >3rd and 4th from NK> >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus)> >> >> >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals,> >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be> >very easy to grasp.> >> >I did not understand your 2nd question?> >> >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of> >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra.> >Cheers !!!> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> >> > > > On Behalf Of> >prabha.acharya> >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM> > > > Few Doubts> >> >Respected Guruji, Ashji> >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have> >few doubts> >> >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes,> >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For> >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house> >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius?> >> >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the> >lord of house D/ house E?> >> >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in> >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra?> >> >Thanks> >Prabha> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Thursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AM To: Re: RE: Few Doubts 28.08.08 Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”. 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them. In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only? 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD. I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions? Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Prabha ji, > >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus >(kalpurush chart). > >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically >said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for >karaktwa for 10th house. > >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, >3rd, 4th and 10th house. > >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) >3rd and 4th from NK >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be >very easy to grasp. > >I did not understand your 2nd question? > >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of >prabha.acharya >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > >Respected Guruji, Ashji >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have >few doubts > >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the >lord of house D/ house E? > >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > >Thanks >Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Prabha ji, For any antra running, we are able to get proper power of the planets in the WS. Yes, as LoD or LoE the planet becomes very eager to give the result irrespective of the points in the WS. If the planet is placed in any house with more than 4 points then again it will be eager to give the result of 4th and 8th house from where it is located, just think over this and I think u will find the way. w.r.t the solution that Guru ji might have given, he might have focused on the question only and which house are directly involved in giving the result. Otherwise, the most biggest thing is that with the WS, we are able to gauge the power of any planet and how it will act for all 12 houses. At any point in time, or an any antra, its working for all 12 houses together and with KAS, we can get the power of planet for all 12 houses. A planet might be giving good result for say 10th house but at the same time it might be giving a more challenging time for some other house like 2nd. So for example if someone is travelling away on work he might be away from his family and that will reflect. So we can get proper idea by studying what is happening in all 12 houses together. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of prabha.acharya Wednesday August 27, 2008 10:07 PM To: Subject: Re: Few Doubts Respected Ashji Thank you for clearing my doubts. My second question is: Suppose Ve is the antra running for a native, do we then only check on whether 1) Ve is the lord of D or lord of E OR 2) Ve is placed in one of the house D or house E OR 3) Ve is with highest points in the worksheet in step 17 OR 4) Ve can be a Samdharmi planet for another planet. My other doubt is in chart related to Msg 1281, Guruji has answered it in Msg 1333. Guruji has said in that chart Ju is Lord of house D for 5th house and lord of house E for 12th house. That is ok. But since Ju is the lord of house D for 8th house and lord of house E for 9th house, then why those 2 houses were not considered? Thanks Prabha , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Prabha ji, > > Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > > Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House > A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural > Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus > (kalpurush chart). > > Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more > than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically > said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > > Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become > natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and > then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets > take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > > So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > > Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house > with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of > giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will > not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > > So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this > Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for > karaktwa for 10th house. > > Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa > denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, > 3rd, 4th and 10th house. > > 1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) > 3rd and 4th from NK > 10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > > Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, > Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be > very easy to grasp. > > I did not understand your 2nd question? > > MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of > sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of > prabha.acharya > Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > > Respected Guruji, Ashji > I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have > few doubts > > 1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, > then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For > example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house > B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > > 2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the > lord of house D/ house E? > > 3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in > turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > > Thanks > Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Ash's Corner <kasRE: RE: Few Doubts Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:15 PM Dear Nikhlesh ji, Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathurThursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRe: RE: [astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts 28.08.08Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”.1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them.In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only?2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc).What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD.I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions?Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote :>Dear Prabha ji,>>Mahadasha shows the karaktwa.>>Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House>A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural>Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus>(kalpurush chart).>>Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more>than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically>said "with more than 4 bindus" because we are studying for benefic.>>Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become>natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and>then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets>take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house.>>So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house.>>Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house>with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of>giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will>not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house.>>So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this>Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for>karaktwa for 10th house.>>Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa>denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd,>3rd, 4th and 10th house.>>1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna)>3rd and 4th from NK>10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus)>>>Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals,>Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be>very easy to grasp.>>I did not understand your 2nd question?>>MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of>sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra.>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca>> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com>[astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of>prabha.acharya>Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM>astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com>[astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts>>Respected Guruji, Ashji>I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have>few doubts>>1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes,>then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For>example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house>B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius?>>2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the>lord of house D/ house E?>>3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in>turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra?>>Thanks>Prabha> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Nikhleshji, i would try to attempt your second question. for L12 i guess it means 12th lord from house B in question. it can never be same as loD or LoE or loA. sun and moon dont own 2 signs. jupiter and mercury are always 1:4 while mars and venus are 6:8 sign ownership combinations. it can be same only for B and 12th from B in case of saturn where B is in sign aquarius. it can be same for NK but not for FK. L12 would take precedence over NK while giving not good result in its antra. even if loD or LoE or strong planet gives the result but is anyway connected to L12 the result is not satisfactory. may be i am wrong Ashji can correct. thanks/regards harjeet , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Nikhlesh ji, > > Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. > > Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what > is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS > Pravins to address the same. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of nikhlesh > mathur > Thursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AM > > Re: RE: Few Doubts > > > 28.08.08 > Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, > > This has reference to Sh Ash's nice explanation regarding > Karaktwa which is " Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to > the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will > be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house " . > > 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa's denoted by all the planets > individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, > but am unable to locate them. > > In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra's in Saturn MD are > linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD > lord affect those karaktwa's. Will they interfere with the karaktwa's of the > lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only? > > 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to > a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or > delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives > the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). > What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible > effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during > its AD. > > I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions? > > Regards, > Nikhlesh Mathur > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : > >Dear Prabha ji, > > > >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > > > >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes > House > >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural > >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is > Taurus > >(kalpurush chart). > > > >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with > more > >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically > >said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > > > >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become > >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and > >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, > lets > >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd > house. > > > >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > > > >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th > house > >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of > >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will > >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > > > >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this > >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for > >karaktwa for 10th house. > > > >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa > >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, > >3rd, 4th and 10th house. > > > >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) > >3rd and 4th from NK > >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > > > > >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, > >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be > >very easy to grasp. > > > >I did not understand your 2nd question? > > > >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of > >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. > >Cheers !!! > >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of > >prabha.acharya > >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > > > Few Doubts > > > >Respected Guruji, Ashji > >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have > >few doubts > > > >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, > >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For > >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house > >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > > > >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the > >lord of house D/ house E? > > > >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in > >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > > > >Thanks > >Prabha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, I am giving my understanding for your second question as below. Lord of 12th from house B spoils the result of house B if in anyway associated with its any of the significators. Lets take an example.Aspect of 12thLord from house B on lord of A/B/C is not considered good.Now if this 12th lord is in house D or house E with more points,then it is less malefic or worse we can say.Here more points means it will be also eager to give event for house B,so likely to be less worse.There are many more points we can analyse which may affect result of house B. 12th lord getting strength from any planet in 10th place will cause adverse results accordingly.This will suck basic strength of the planet in its own favour basically, and properties of 12th lord will be shown up with much more malefic way for house B. If lord of D or lord of E is in 12th house,the benefic result can be reduced.Besides,having less points can save the negative result to little extent. I hope i have covered your doubt to some extent Regards Anup --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: Ash's Corner <kasRE: RE: Few Doubts Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:15 PM Dear Nikhlesh ji, Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathurThursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRe: RE: [astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts 28.08.08Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”.1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them.In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only?2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc).What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD.I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions?Regards,Nikhlesh MathurOn Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote :>Dear Prabha ji,>>Mahadasha shows the karaktwa.>>Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House>A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural>Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus>(kalpurush chart).>>Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more>than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically>said "with more than 4 bindus" because we are studying for benefic.>>Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become>natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and>then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets>take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house.>>So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house.>>Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house>with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of>giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will>not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house.>>So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this>Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for>karaktwa for 10th house.>>Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa>denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd,>3rd, 4th and 10th house.>>1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna)>3rd and 4th from NK>10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus)>>>Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals,>Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be>very easy to grasp.>>I did not understand your 2nd question?>>MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of>sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra.>Cheers !!!>Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca>> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com>[astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of>prabha.acharya>Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM>astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com>[astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts>>Respected Guruji, Ashji>I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have>few doubts>>1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes,>then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For>example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house>B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius?>>2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the>lord of house D/ house E?>>3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in>turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra?>>Thanks>Prabha> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh ji, Let me add some of my understandings also: 1. 12th lord from House B gives adverse results for house B. 2. Its presence in D or E, even with more than 4 points reduces its effect. More the points-more better results, bad effects get reduced. 3. Similarly if Lord of D and E is placed in 12th house, its good results are reduced. 4. The role of 12th lord should be considered more seriously, when such planets aspects lord of A, B or C or house. It can give adverse result for house in its Sub. 5. If the 12th lord is situated in the 12th house and with less than 4 points, then benefic sight should not be considered. 6. If any planet is having any relation with the 12th lord from house B then it will deny to be SD. 7. If a planet is a strong significator and LoD or LoE, it can give the result even if it is 12th from B. 8. If a Samdharmi Planet is placed in the 12th house from B, it will not give good results. 9. As far as Timing of events are concerned, Karakatwa is not given importance except for Death. So If the 12th lord from B is also NK or FK, then it may not affect the timing but may spoil the karakatwa. Bala , "Anup. M" <dalh_1 wrote:>> Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > > I am giving my understanding for your second question as below.> Lord of 12th from house B spoils the result of house B if in anyway> associated with its any of the significators.> > Lets take an example.Aspect of 12thLord from house B on > lord of A/B/C is not considered good.Now if this 12th lord is > in house D or house E with more points,then it is less malefic> or worse we can say.Here more points means it will > be also eager to give event for house B,so likely to be > less worse.There are many more points we can analyse> which may affect result of house B.> > 12th lord getting strength from any planet in 10th place> will cause adverse results accordingly.This will suck> basic strength of the planet in its own favour basically,> and properties of 12th lord will be shown up with much> more malefic way for house B.> > If lord of D or lord of E is in 12th house,the benefic result> can be reduced.Besides,having less points can save the > negative result to little extent.> > I hope i have covered your doubt to some extent> > Regards> Anup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Ash's Corner kas wrote:> > Ash's Corner kas RE: RE: Few Doubts> > Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:15 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Nikhlesh ji,> > Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question.> > Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same.> > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur> Thursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AM> astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> Re: RE: [astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts> > > > > > 28.08.08> Dear Mr. Ash & other group members,> > This has reference to Sh Ash's nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is " Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house".> > 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa's denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them.> > In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra's in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa's. Will they interfere with the karaktwa's of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only?> > 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc).> What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD.> > I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions?> > Regards,> Nikhlesh Mathur> > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca wrote :> >Dear Prabha ji,> >> >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa.> >> >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House> >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural> >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus> >(kalpurush chart).> >> >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more> >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically> >said "with more than 4 bindus" because we are studying for benefic.> >> >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become> >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and> >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets> >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house.> >> >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house.> >> >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house> >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of> >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will> >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house.> >> >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this> >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for> >karaktwa for 10th house.> >> >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa> >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd,> >3rd, 4th and 10th house.> >> >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna)> >3rd and 4th from NK> >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus)> >> >> >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals,> >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be> >very easy to grasp.> >> >I did not understand your 2nd question?> >> >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of> >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra.> >Cheers !!!> >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> >> > astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> >[astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of> >prabha.acharya> >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM> >astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com> >[astrologyandtiming events] Few Doubts> >> >Respected Guruji, Ashji> >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have> >few doubts> >> >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes,> >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For> >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house> >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius?> >> >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the> >lord of house D/ house E?> >> >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in> >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra?> >> >Thanks> >Prabha> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 29.08.08 Dear Mr. Balasubramanian, Thanks for promptly sending the tabulation. It will certainly help all of us. Actually I was searching for something else but could not express it rightly. What I meant was to know the effect / result of each planet as Karaktwa. For example in the chapter Karka - Natural & Functional, it is mentioned as an example that Sun in the 2nd house then the native remians hungry ( what so ever be the reason). Venus in the 6th house gives chances for sugar problem ( its points will decide the age at which it happens)There are some more examples there. What I am searching for is a good amount of information of many more such examples or text material for all planets. It is understood well that when the karak for a house is strong then the result for that house can give happiness. Here again is it all the results for which that house is meant for or some chosen onces? I am trying to gather such information from other books as well. I might not be still able to clarify here but I think with repeated studies I will get the clue. Thanks once again. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 Balasubramanian wrote : > >Dear Nikhlesh Mathur, > >Sorry to interfere. I have prepared a table for the Karaktwa which I am >producing below. I do not know whether it gets displayed properly or >not as I prepared it in Excel and copy pasted it here. See if this helps >you. > >Table showing Natural and Funcional Karakas of Planets-Lagnawise. Ar >Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi NK for Sun 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th >4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th Moon 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st >12th 11th 10th 9th Mars 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd >2nd 1st 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th Mercury >8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 11th 10th 9th >8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th Jupiter 2nd 1st 12th 11th >10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th >9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Venus 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th >9th 8th 7th 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th >Saturn 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 4th 3rd >2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th > >How to read the table. > >In the example taken by Ash - Lagna is Gemini. Select Ge col. Against >Sa row you will find 1st and 2nd. They are the FK. and take the last col >which will give the NK. > >For deciding on karakatwa by placement, we have to go by individual >charts. > >For the 2nd part, I think Ash or some other member will be in a better >position to explain. > >Bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Dear Prabha ji, Thanks for your guidance. I shall open those messages (819 to 913)and try to understand. Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 prabha.acharya wrote : >Dear Nikhlesh MathurJi >Regarding your second question: > " I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK >to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good >results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius >ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). >What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible >effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing >during its AD. " > >Answer to your question is given below as told by Guruji in Msg 913 > " iF THE SIGNIFICATOR HAVE ANY RELATION WITH 12TH LORD, IT WILL GIVE >BAD RESULT, RELATIONS MEANS INCREASE IN POINTS DUE TO SIGHT, 12TH LORD >BEING IN TENTH PLACE FROM ANY OTHER PLANET/S, AND GAINING POINTS, OR >IT IS IN 4TH PLACE FROM ANY PLANET, EVEN IF THE PLANET IN 10TH ARE >LORD OF 'D'OR 'E', EFFECT OF SIGHT ON ANY HOUSE, FROM HOUSE 'A'( FROM >WHICH IT IS 5TH LORD OR LORD OF A AND 12TH FROM B ARE LORDS HAVING 9/5 >RELATION SHIP), IT WILL GIVE BAD RESULT. tHIS IS ALREADY GIVEN IN TEXT. " > >I would also suggest that you read all the messages from Msg 819 under >the topic " 12th lord " and Jupiter as 12th lord " > >Thanks >Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Dear Nikhlesh Mathur, I got your point. I have not come across any such collections in our KAS lessons. As you said it might have been mentioned here andthere in some messages. I shall also be on the look out for such examples. Kindly inform us the outcome of your search in due course. Bala , "nikhlesh mathur" <nikhleshmathur wrote:>> > 29.08.08> Dear Mr. Balasubramanian,> > Thanks for promptly sending the tabulation. It will certainly help all of us.> > Actually I was searching for something else but could not express it rightly.> > What I meant was to know the effect / result of each planet as Karaktwa.> For example in the chapter Karka - Natural & Functional, it is mentioned as an example that Sun in the 2nd house then the native remians hungry ( what so ever be the reason). Venus in the 6th house gives chances for sugar problem ( its points will decide the age at which it happens)There are some more examples there.> > What I am searching for is a good amount of information of many more such examples or text material for all planets.> > It is understood well that when the karak for a house is strong then the result for that house can give happiness. Here again is it all the results for which that house is meant for or some chosen onces?> > I am trying to gather such information from other books as well. I might not be still able to clarify here but I think with repeated studies I will get the clue.> > Thanks once again.> > Regards,> Nikhlesh Mathur> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 Balasubramanian wrote :> >> >Dear Nikhlesh Mathur,> >> >Sorry to interfere. I have prepared a table for the Karaktwa which I am> >producing below. I do not know whether it gets displayed properly or> >not as I prepared it in Excel and copy pasted it here. See if this helps> >you.> >> >Table showing Natural and Funcional Karakas of Planets-Lagnawise. Ar> >Ta Ge Cn Le Vi Li Sc Sg Cp Aq Pi NK for Sun 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th> >4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th Moon 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st> >12th 11th 10th 9th Mars 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd> >2nd 1st 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th Mercury> >8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 11th 10th 9th> >8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th Jupiter 2nd 1st 12th 11th> >10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th> >9th 8th 7th 6th 5th Venus 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th> >9th 8th 7th 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st 12th> >Saturn 3rd 2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th 3rd 4th 3rd> >2nd 1st 12th 11th 10th 9th 8th 7th 6th 5th 4th> >> >How to read the table.> >> >In the example taken by Ash - Lagna is Gemini. Select Ge col. Against> >Sa row you will find 1st and 2nd. They are the FK. and take the last col> >which will give the NK.> >> >For deciding on karakatwa by placement, we have to go by individual> >charts.> >> >For the 2nd part, I think Ash or some other member will be in a better> >position to explain.> >> >Bala> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear ASH Regarding Karaktwa for Saturn for Gemini lagna well explained.thanks I am having doubt that mahadasa ok and then you said antra means bhukti or antra of the Dasa lord.Kindly clarify Withregards visveswaran On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:16 PM RE: RE: Few Doubts Dear Nikhlesh ji, Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Thursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AM Re: RE: Few Doubts 28.08.08 Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”. 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them. In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only? 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD. I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions? Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Prabha ji, > >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus >(kalpurush chart). > >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically >said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for >karaktwa for 10th house. > >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, >3rd, 4th and 10th house. > >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) >3rd and 4th from NK >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be >very easy to grasp. > >I did not understand your 2nd question? > >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of >prabha.acharya >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > >Respected Guruji, Ashji >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have >few doubts > >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the >lord of house D/ house E? > >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > >Thanks >Prabha > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release 26/Aug/2008 7:09 PM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release 26/Aug/2008 7:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear Visveswaran ji, By saying Antra I mean Antar Dasha or Bhukti. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Easweriyer Saturday August 30, 2008 3:24 AM To: RE: RE: Few Doubts Dear ASH Regarding Karaktwa for Saturn for Gemini lagna well explained.thanks I am having doubt that mahadasa ok and then you said antra means bhukti or antra of the Dasa lord.Kindly clarify Withregards visveswaran On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:16 PM RE: RE: Few Doubts Dear Nikhlesh ji, Bala ji has given good guidance for the 1st question. Regarding your 2nd question, I would expect any of the KAS Pravins with what is taught can easily address this question, so I will leave it to the KAS Pravins to address the same. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of nikhlesh mathur Thursday August 28, 2008 3:14 AM Re: RE: Few Doubts 28.08.08 Dear Mr. Ash & other group members, This has reference to Sh Ash’s nice explanation regarding Karaktwa which is “ Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th house”. 1. Can we once again understand the karak-tatwa’s denoted by all the planets individually? I am sure it must be mentioned in the KAS lessons somewhere, but am unable to locate them. In the example explained by Mr. Ash if all the antra’s in Saturn MD are linked to the karaktwa denoted by Saturn, then how will the different AD lord affect those karaktwa’s. Will they interfere with the karaktwa’s of the lord of MD or that the AD lords are meant to know basically the timing only? 2. I also wanted to understand that if the same planet which is NK or FK to a house also becomes L12 then will it hinder the possible good results ( or delay the good happening?). For example for Sagittarius ascendant natives the NK & L12 are same for all the 12 houses (from Asc). What if NK / FK / LoD / LoE is also L12 for a house. Will the possible effect of a planet be neutralized from the point of view of timing during its AD. I hope I am not taking much time of all by asking such questions? Regards, Nikhlesh Mathur On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Ash's Corner wrote : >Dear Prabha ji, > >Mahadasha shows the karaktwa. > >Take Marriage as an event that you are studying. So 2nd house becomes House >A and 2nd lord's Mahadasha will show Karaktwa and same way, Natural >Karakatwa goes to Venus who is the lord of natural 2nd house which is Taurus >(kalpurush chart). > >Now regarding planet placement, so planets placed in 2nd house and with more >than 4 bindus will also act as Karak planets. Now here I have specifically >said " with more than 4 bindus " because we are studying for benefic. > >Now you asked about Saturn. So, during Shani's MD, Shani will become >natural karak for 3rd and 4th house so that is based in Kalpurush chart and >then based on the lagna it will become FK for some house. For example, lets >take Gemini lagna so for Gemini lagna, Shani is karak for 1st and 2nd house. > >So, upto now we got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th house. > >Now, we will study Saturn's placement. If Saturn is placed in say 5th house >with more than 4 bindus, then It will also take on the responsibility of >giving 10th house karkatwa. If it is with less than 4 bindus then we will >not take it for benefic so in that case we wont consider it for 10th house. > >So assume Sa is in 5th house with 5 bindus then we will consider that this >Saturn who is placed in Karak house for 10th, will become responsible for >karaktwa for 10th house. > >Therefore all the antras in Saturn MD, will be linked to the karaktwa >denoted by Saturn, therefore as per our example above, it will be 1st, 2nd, >3rd, 4th and 10th house. > >1st and 2nd from FK (Gemini lagna) >3rd and 4th from NK >10th house (placement of Sa with more than 4 bindus) > > >Regarding Ra and Ke question, please check Donna's site and in KAS Visuals, >Donna has addressed this exact question with nice graphics so it will be >very easy to grasp. > >I did not understand your 2nd question? > >MD shows karaktwa and Antra is for timing of event and finally transit of >sun is used to pin point the event inside the antra. >Cheers !!! >Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of >prabha.acharya >Wednesday August 27, 2008 12:23 AM > > Few Doubts > >Respected Guruji, Ashji >I have started reading through the messages in this group and i have >few doubts > >1. Is Mahadasha lord houses and placement taken as house B? If yes, >then do we also take the houses they aspect taken as house B? For >example, if Saturn is in Pisces during its mahadasha do we take house >B as Aquarius, Capricorn, Pisces, Taurus, Virgo, and Sagittarius? > >2. Should the sub-period have the highest point or should it be the >lord of house D/ house E? > >3. Who will be Samdharmi to Rahu if Rahu be in Ketu nakshatra and in >turn Ketu be in Rahu nakshatra? > >Thanks >Prabha > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release 26/Aug/2008 7:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1636 - Release 26/Aug/2008 7:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008  Hi All, I have been searching about the Nadi Astrology very recently. After going to the reviews and the experiences of the people and the interviews of the astrologers I am left with few questions. I am not sure who to contact so joined this group. Hope some of you can give me some answers. These writings are done by very old sages. How about the modern names now. May be an American name? So foreigners also have their Nadi considering these were written by indian sages 2000 years ago? If the leaf is specific to a person how is it possible that every nadi astrologer have the leaf of the one who visits. Are these copies of all from one source? Recently there were few nadi leaves recovered from the temple? All the people reading missing all these days? If I have my leaf found why don’t the astrologers give it to me as its mine and it doesn’t match any one else’s? Suppose a nadi astrologer will be visited by 5 people daily. Considering the likely number of around 100 nadi astrologers in the country it would be 500 people per day, so 3500 people per week, 15,000 people per month and 1.8 lakh per year. And for 10 yrs its 18 lakh. So considering the future also the nadi leaves should be in crores.. are they crores of unique leaves? Can some one give a approximate number of unique leaves that are present. All these are based on the information I got from internet and no other source. Please let me know if my understanding is wrong. Regards Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hi Jordan, Its good to see people around the world taking part in these discussions. Let me answer you all (except 3 which i was not able to understand, sorry for my poor understanding of english)questions. 1)This predictions were done by saptrishis some 10000 years back, infact these are not just predictions but these are the facts which they have seen.yes foreigners do have predictions i saw one of the foreigners whose leaf was found and you are surprised to know that after the predictions they have suggested some remedies to cut the sufferings in this birth. these remedies were actualy related to some good deeds that are to be performed in a church not in temple.It clearly suggests that the saptrishis at that time would be knowing about all the religions and their method of praying to God in this time. 2)No its entirely not correct that every person has Nadi prediction.There is no doubt that the leaf is unique but as I told you there were saptrishis( bunch of seven divine sages)so there is a possibility that a maximum of seven predictions also It is believed that they were all encrypted in sanskrit but people in India transfered those to different languages to actually protect those leaves from getting disappeared. so its possible that there were many copies of a single leaf in various languages(but they are unique). 4) The astrologer didn't give the leaves to you because there is every possiblility that people can make misuse it. 5)Sorry for this question I don't know the answer since how many copies of a single leaf is even unknown so i guess its difficult to tell. I guess I am able to answer some of your queries according to my understanding.there are many things in this world which can't be explained in this world due to limited logic of our mind but it doesn't mean we shouldn't believe in things rather we should try to discover the logic behind every aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Things are not very clear can some one give some more detail? - pradeepohm Monday, November 10, 2008 5:44 PM Re: Few doubts Hi Jordan,Its good to see people around the world taking part in these discussions.Let me answer you all (except 3 which i was not able to understand,sorry for my poor understanding of english)questions.1)This predictions were done by saptrishis some 10000 years back,infact these are not just predictions but these are the facts whichthey have seen.yes foreigners do have predictions i saw one of theforeigners whose leaf was found and you are surprised to know thatafter the predictions they have suggested some remedies to cut thesufferings in this birth. these remedies were actualy related to somegood deeds that are to be performed in a church not in temple.Itclearly suggests that the saptrishis at that time would be knowingabout all the religions and their method of praying to God in this time.2)No its entirely not correct that every person has Nadiprediction.There is no doubt that the leaf is unique but as I told youthere were saptrishis( bunch of seven divine sages)so there is apossibility that a maximum of seven predictions also It is believedthat they were all encrypted in sanskrit but people in Indiatransfered those to different languages to actually protect thoseleaves from getting disappeared. so its possible that there were manycopies of a single leaf in various languages(but they are unique).4) The astrologer didn't give the leaves to you because there is everypossiblility that people can make misuse it.5)Sorry for this question I don't know the answer since how manycopies of a single leaf is even unknown so i guess its difficult to tell.I guess I am able to answer some of your queries according to myunderstanding.there are many things in this world which can't beexplained in this world due to limited logic of our mind but itdoesn't mean we shouldn't believe in things rather we should try todiscover the logic behind every aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hi, you can read my files in file section to get answers to most of ur questions. if u want to discuss more on this subject, contact me at: rajas.khaladkar Regds Rajas , " Jordan Koppole " <jordan.co.in wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have been searching about the Nadi Astrology very recently. After going to the reviews and the experiences of the people and the interviews of the astrologers I am left with few questions. I am not sure who to contact so joined this group. Hope some of you can give me some answers. > > > > 1.. These writings are done by very old sages. How about the modern names now. May be an American name? So foreigners also have their Nadi considering these were written by indian sages 2000 years ago? > 2.. If the leaf is specific to a person how is it possible that every nadi astrologer have the leaf of the one who visits. Are these copies of all from one source? > 3.. Recently there were few nadi leaves recovered from the temple? All the people reading missing all these days? > 4.. If I have my leaf found why don’t the astrologers give it to me as its mine and it doesn’t match any one else’s? > 5.. Suppose a nadi astrologer will be visited by 5 people daily. Considering the likely number of around 100 nadi astrologers in the country it would be 500 people per day, so 3500 people per week, 15,000 people per month and 1.8 lakh per year. And for 10 yrs its 18 lakh. So considering the future also the nadi leaves should be in crores.. are they crores of unique leaves? Can some one give a approximate number of unique leaves that are present. > > > All these are based on the information I got from internet and no other source. Please let me know if my understanding is wrong. > > > > Regards > > Jordan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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