Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 dear vdeshmukh, i think my birth chart is lahiri. i checked it with jaganatha hora software. yes as you said we dont know how exactly they did that. nadi astrology is something not decoded. this what i was arguing with other guy. still many people asking how nadi is done what are its methodology. thats why astrolger like rayudu and gopalakrishnan trying to throw some light on it thru vedic astrology. that is what i belive. ancient nadi people or sages what they did is , they only gave basic chart and birth details and life time predictions. they never took any steps to reveal exact methodology. remember nadi astrolger is not casting this birth chart. what he do is , he read whatever written in leaf. that is what he did to me. yes i am damn sure nadi is 100% true.not only past things but also future . whatever predicted to me is happening. hapening happening. right from the begining i am arguing nadi prediction for is 100% is happening. both past and present and future. it been since 2 year i got my nadi reading. every thing told in nadi has happened to me. since birth chart given by nadi astrollogers and the birth chart in my home is same, the ayanamsa used by sages must also be of lahiri ayanamsa. so nadi astrology is vedic astrology. i think lahiri is very ayanamsa. i also checked it with raman, kp ayanamsa. in raman ayanamsa , lagna in navamsa is one step forward. otherwise it is also same. buy buy. nice talking with you. remember nadi is something not decoded. , vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv wrote: > > My dear Sebastian, > Thank you so much for your prompt response and for > clarifying the confusion. > You are well aware that there are many styles/ systems > of casing natal charts which are broadly termed as > Sayana and Nirayana. So far as Sayana/ Tropical > system is concerned there will not be any difference > in the planetary longitudes and lagna amshas and > system recommended by our poorvacharyas and > dharmacharyas including our Hon. Shankaracharya as it > accurately conformed to our Dharmashastras, Shrutis > and Smrutis besides several other holy > tracts,siddhantas etc for calculating Muhurtas,days > of fasts and festivals and carrying out religious > rights and rituals as also social and community > functions at proper times.It may interest you to know > that this Sayana system conforms to modern astronomy > too. Even the Calendar Reforms Committee of Govt. of > India set up underthe Chairmanship of Dr. Meghnath > Saha in 1955 has recommended Sayana/ Tropical system > for Panchang/Calendar making.However, nearly all the > Panchangs published in India are based on Nirayan > System using different Ayanamsha calculations creating > chaotic condition as lagna amshas and planetary > longitudes greatly differ from each other . But the > funniest part is that the astrologers who follow > different panchangs for making birth charts claim 100 > per cent accuracy in their predictions ! Since Naadi > predictions -at least about the past events are > amazingly correct, I am interested to know and > curious to find out the basis of chart making system > in Naadi Shastra.Since you confirm that the Lagna > Amshas given in Naadi are correct as they agree with > Lagna amshas given in your birth-chart, I am very > eager to know the chart making system employed in the > casting your birth-chart ie whether it is Sayana > System or the Nirayan system. If it is Sayana > system,there is very little room for variation in > Lagna amshas since this system does not use any > Ayanamsha calculation for casting chart. But if it is > Nirayan system based on differing ayanamshas of Raman, > Lahiri, Chitra, KP,Fagan or any other ayanamshas > adopted by your astrolger in the making of your chart > then I would be indeed grateful to you to enlighten me > in this regard.Pl.undestand that I do not doubt you Or > the Naadi system but my main interest is to know how > our Great Rishis did the astronomical calculations and > cast the charts if at all or it is later day additions > by some Naadi readers. > Thanks for your cooperation. > Regds. > VBD > --- jsebastian88 <jsebastian88 wrote: > > > - > > videshmukhji-- you are confusing your self. i think > > you need to know > > somebasic thing about nadi astrolgy. usually nadi > > astrologer wont give > > your very detailed birth chart like navamsa, dasamsa > > trisamsa and all. > > all they give you is exact planetary postions, lagna > > position in your > > chart your life prediction. your tamil date of birth > > , tamil month and > > tamil year only not other than that. for me > > everything came exactly > > right . after seeing my nadi i went to home in > > chennai i checked all > > details given in nadi all the things were 100% > > includung those lagna > > position. sivasami in his website claims that in > > siva nadi they cant > > give lagna position .but got my lagna 100% right in > > agastya nadi. > > though i dont know advanced astrology i know some > > astrology and some > > IQ to prove nadi birth chart is exactly same as that > > of nadi. > > > > usually lagna is called ooyir or aavi in nadi > > prediction. > > > > let me say you one thing 1) without knowing the DOB > > and birth time no > > one can predict or cast your birth chart and lagna > > in your chart. but > > i gave only thumb print . with that thing how did > > they able to give > > all the details. > > > > 2) in this case i already have birth chart in my > > home. on one fine day > > i went to strange nadi astrologer house which is 72 > > km from my home > > in chennai.i gave my thumb print and i got my birth > > details and > > prediction from a nadi people. then i went home > > cross checked it with > > my own birth chart in my home. the chart details > > ,lagna position > > ,planetary position, tamil year month and day all > > are right. and > > exactly as told in nadi. > > > > > > if you still have doubt ask dhinakar of this forum > > he too went to the > > same astrologer. > > > > i dont know what is there to confuse.i am scorpio > > lagna . they > > predicted it right > > > > > > > > -- In , vbdeshmukh > > <deshmukhv@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sebastian, > > > You raised high hopes when you said you got > > correct > > > Lagna amsha from Naadi and hence I requested you > > to > > > give me the details of your source which helped > > you in > > > comparing / verifying the Lagna Amsha.In short, on > > > what basis you found that the lagna degrees were > > > correct ? When you got your birth chart with > > planetary > > > positions from the Naadi Reader, how did you infer > > > that the chart was correct for the time, date and > > > place of birth ? Probably, you already had your > > chart > > > with which you compared Naadi Chart or you got it > > > checked with some astrolger who confirmed it as > > > correct.Would you therefore kindly confirm the > > factual > > > position ? If you are an astrologer or know > > astrology > > > I am sure you can guess as to what I am hinting > > > at.Shri Rayudu's website simply does not come into > > > picture unless he has confirmed your naadi chart > > as > > > correct in his website as an example. In that case > > I > > > can directly approach him and get the > > details.Hope, no > > > hard feelings. > > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > > Sinceely, > > > VBD > > > --- Dhinakar Rajaram <dhinakarrajaram@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Even for me, my father and my sister the chart > > > > details were 100% correct. Our readings were > > seen > > > > by D. balasubramaniam. > > > > > > > > Dhinakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jsebastian88@ > > > > Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:22:37 +0000 > > > > Fwd: Re: Re: AGE OF > > DEATH > > > > IN NADI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my reply is --- see the reply of > > mine to > > > > guy called shortcut. and > > > > > > > > refer rayudu astrology website for your answers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes my lagna was predicted accurately in agastya > > > > nadi in > > > > > > > > kanchipuram. i gave only my thumb print. i dont > > know > > > > others not > > > > > > > > believing it. i chanllenge any one to agastya > > nadi > > > > in kanchipuram . > > > > > > > > they will give you the exact details of you > > birth > > > > chart. they dont ask > > > > > > > > your date of birth , but still they will give > > your > > > > lagna and etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and read those article given by prakasen senthil > > . > > > > it was awesome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > vbdeshmukh > > > > <deshmukhv@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sebastian, > > > > > > > > > I am eagerly awaiting the favour of your > > > > compliance > > > > > > > > > with my request to enlighten me about the > > > > > > > > > source/panchang/ ephemeris you referred to > > > > > > > > > verify/compare your Lagna Amsha/Asc. Degree as > > > > given > > > > > > > > > in your Naadi. > > > > > > > > > Regds, > > > > > > > > > VBD > > > > > > > > > --- vbdeshmukh <deshmukhv@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Dear Sebastian, From our discussion I would like to make the following observation: 1. Because of your interest in the subject you got your birthchart made not knowing whether the chart was sayan or Nirayan. You had the option to get your chart done according to any of the systems but you happened to choose Jagannath Hora software which uses Lahiri Ayanamsha for casting chart. 2. Sometime later you went to Naadi Reader and got your your chart. You were surprised to find the Naadi chart Lagna amsha exactly matched with Lagna amsha of your Jagannath Hora Chart. 3.It is therefore logical to think that the Naadi writing Rishi, among other facts about you , knew well in advance that you would go get a Nirayana Chart based on Lahiri ayanamshas. This also means that the Rishi knew that in course of time there would be many styles of panchangams for making birth charts, muhurtas etc.and therefore it is not surprising or so amazing. I am sure if a European who already has his Tropical birth chart consults Naadi he would also similarly be surprised with the accuracy of Naadi chart. 4. In my experience Naadi does not give away the methodology of astronomical calculations. To say that Naadi is part of Vedic Astrology nothing can be farther from the truth as there are no Rashis in any of the Vedas nor in Vedag jyotish which is considered part of Vedas ! Jyotish in Vedas is pure astronomy and not phal-jyotish or predictive astrology contrary to what the so called Vedic Jyotishis falsely claim.Rashis appear subsequently in some of our Puranas and Siddhantas and those Rashis are Sayana/ tropical and not Nirayana because although at that time the phenomena of precision of eqinoxes was known the rate of precision was not known and therefore all the planetary longitudes were based on sayana/ tropical system which was directly linked to four cardinal points like two solstices and two eqinoxes marking the beginnings and endings of various seasons/ ritus around which the life on earth continues to revolve since time immemorable. 5. I am sorry that I strayed a bit in our discussion. The fact however remains that Naadi Shastra is the world's unique system with its enigmatic character and I have my reasons to believe it ,regardless. Thanks for for yor co-op. Regds, VBD --- jsebastian88 <jsebastian88 wrote: > dear vdeshmukh, > i think my birth chart is lahiri. i > checked it with > jaganatha hora software. yes as you said we dont > know how exactly > they did that. nadi astrology is something not > decoded. this what i > was arguing with other guy. still many people asking > how nadi is done > what are its methodology. thats why astrolger like > rayudu and > gopalakrishnan trying to throw some light on it thru > vedic astrology. > that is what i belive. ancient nadi people or sages > what they did is , > they only gave basic chart and birth details and > life time > predictions. they never took any steps to reveal > exact methodology. > remember nadi astrolger is not casting this birth > chart. what he do > is , he read whatever written in leaf. that is what > he did to me. yes > i am damn sure nadi is 100% true.not only past > things but also future . > whatever predicted to me is happening. hapening > happening. right from > the begining i am arguing nadi prediction for is > 100% is happening. > both past and present and future. it been since 2 > year i got my nadi > reading. every thing told in nadi has happened to > me. > since birth chart given by nadi astrollogers and > the birth chart in > my home is same, the ayanamsa used by sages must > also be of lahiri > ayanamsa. so nadi astrology is vedic astrology. i > think lahiri is > very ayanamsa. > > i also checked it with raman, kp ayanamsa. in raman > ayanamsa , lagna > in navamsa is one step forward. otherwise it is also > same. buy buy. > nice talking with you. remember nadi is something > not decoded. > > > , vbdeshmukh > <deshmukhv wrote: > > > > My dear Sebastian, > > Thank you so much for your prompt response and for > > clarifying the confusion. > > You are well aware that there are many styles/ > systems > > of casing natal charts which are broadly termed as > > Sayana and Nirayana. So far as Sayana/ Tropical > > system is concerned there will not be any > difference > > in the planetary longitudes and lagna amshas and > > system recommended by our poorvacharyas and > > dharmacharyas including our Hon. Shankaracharya as > it > > accurately conformed to our Dharmashastras, > Shrutis > > and Smrutis besides several other holy > > tracts,siddhantas etc for calculating > Muhurtas,days > > of fasts and festivals and carrying out religious > > rights and rituals as also social and community > > functions at proper times.It may interest you to > know > > that this Sayana system conforms to modern > astronomy > > too. Even the Calendar Reforms Committee of Govt. > of > > India set up underthe Chairmanship of Dr. Meghnath > > Saha in 1955 has recommended Sayana/ Tropical > system > > for Panchang/Calendar making.However, nearly all > the > > Panchangs published in India are based on Nirayan > > System using different Ayanamsha calculations > creating > > chaotic condition as lagna amshas and planetary > > longitudes greatly differ from each other . But > the > > funniest part is that the astrologers who follow > > different panchangs for making birth charts claim > 100 > > per cent accuracy in their predictions ! Since > Naadi > > predictions -at least about the past events are > > amazingly correct, I am interested to know and > > curious to find out the basis of chart making > system > > in Naadi Shastra.Since you confirm that the Lagna > > Amshas given in Naadi are correct as they agree > with > > Lagna amshas given in your birth-chart, I am very > > eager to know the chart making system employed in > the > > casting your birth-chart ie whether it is Sayana > > System or the Nirayan system. If it is Sayana > > system,there is very little room for variation in > > Lagna amshas since this system does not use any > > Ayanamsha calculation for casting chart. But if it > is > > Nirayan system based on differing ayanamshas of > Raman, > > Lahiri, Chitra, KP,Fagan or any other ayanamshas > > adopted by your astrolger in the making of your > chart > > then I would be indeed grateful to you to > enlighten me > > in this regard.Pl.undestand that I do not doubt > you Or > > the Naadi system but my main interest is to know > how > > our Great Rishis did the astronomical calculations > and > > cast the charts if at all or it is later day > additions > > by some Naadi readers. > > Thanks for your cooperation. > > Regds. > > VBD > > --- jsebastian88 <jsebastian88 wrote: > > > > > - > > > videshmukhji-- you are confusing your self. i > think > > > you need to know > > > somebasic thing about nadi astrolgy. usually > nadi > > > astrologer wont give > > > your very detailed birth chart like navamsa, > dasamsa > > > trisamsa and all. > > > all they give you is exact planetary postions, > lagna > > > position in your > > > chart your life prediction. your tamil date of > birth > > > , tamil month and > > > tamil year only not other than that. for me > > > everything came exactly > > > right . after seeing my nadi i went to home in > > > chennai i checked all > > > details given in nadi all the things were 100% > > > includung those lagna > > > position. sivasami in his website claims that in > > > siva nadi they cant > > > give lagna position .but got my lagna 100% right > in > > > agastya nadi. > > > though i dont know advanced astrology i know > some > > > astrology and some > > > IQ to prove nadi birth chart is exactly same as > that > > > of nadi. > > > > > > usually lagna is called ooyir or aavi in nadi > > > prediction. > > > > > > let me say you one thing 1) without knowing the > DOB > > > and birth time no > > > one can predict or cast your birth chart and > lagna > > > in your chart. but > > > i gave only thumb print . with that thing how > did > > > they able to give > > > all the details. > > > > > > 2) in this case i already have birth chart in my > > > home. on one fine day > > > i went to strange nadi astrologer house which is > 72 > > > km from my home > > > in chennai.i gave my thumb print and i got my > birth > > > details and > > > prediction from a nadi people. then i went home > > > cross checked it with > > > my own birth chart in my home. the chart details > > > ,lagna position > > > ,planetary position, tamil year month and day > all > > > are right. and > > > exactly as told in nadi. > > > > > > > > > if you still have doubt ask dhinakar of this > forum > > > he too went to the > > > same astrologer. > === message truncated === Download prohibited? 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