RE: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

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Dear Sebastian,

 

Can you share the names of fake naadi readers in Pune? Thank you, Sincerly, S. Hariharan

 

 

From: jsebastian88Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:11:39 +0000 ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

my nadi experience,. i am from chennai one and half year back i wentto nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadileaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the badthings predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a goodthing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the helpof few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one tohappen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met aholyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in fewday. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i metthat holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few goodpeople and a big man(holyman). in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal).i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn sameplace where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf hascome true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf frompoosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.signs of true nadi astrologer:1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again thenhe is fake one.the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my dateof birth.for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all thedetails. i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUTTHERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he isauthentic. , aries <waryaries wrote:>> Mr Oak .> > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu " - > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact location ) > > arinjale - if you know > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > Parayu - tell > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell youyour naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponentof this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very highin the forum .> > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how canthey go wrong with future ?..> > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones inBig cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conductingmeetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but haveyour ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you everchecked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on thewebsite and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness ofpoor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit themeasily .> > Thanks for your understanding .> > Aries > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak wrote:> > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak> Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS: An Excerpt> > Cc: anant.padmanabhan, ankush_singh108, "naadi astrology", "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar,"Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"<venishank, "puneet d" <pdswalia, "rishikesh deshmukh"<rishi_nick, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore, gadwayanand,"Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri, "harish kumar"<harish_kumar551, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy, masihik,naadilover, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda, "neha Oak"<nehaurja, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak, "piyush pande"<piyushpande, planbinc, "Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad,"Prof.S.N.Arseculeratne" <chubby, pthakurdesai, puru,"Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho, rajas.khaladkar, "ana salema"> <salemana, sambandan, "Dr. John Samuel"<drjohn_samuel, santoshoak, sgalitkar, shashioak,sivasamee, "Son kaushik" <kaushik, srivathsam, subam_ravi Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' workwith pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. Howeverhe did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride inPredictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow donot have the same views when it comes to their professional earningsor work. > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcorerationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read myexperienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and havescant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference inthe mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on UnaRoad in Hosiarpur.> > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :An Excerpt> "" <@ >> Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > Dear members,> this is fyi.> > -> NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> <>> > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned some of > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are quite > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather had given > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > pregnancy. > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a Nadar on > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue inTamil > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the Nadis > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,it is > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate. For the > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi format, > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place; > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, anotherlady > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght, polite, > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in astrology. > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd isstrong > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and become a > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to > Ketu Dasa.' > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the8th. > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. Hewill > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from agriculture > and printing. He will enter government service in education and banking > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, andVenus > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10thaspected by > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will become > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping mankind by > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for business. > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn Dasa > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will secure a > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will havevaksiddhi. He > will not enter government service but will have association with kings. > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiterand > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in1935 > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi which has > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the Nadi had > predicted a bright future for me. > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be inpossession of > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was that > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed time, > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he called > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from thepalm > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra and the > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of his in > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost stunned > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific predictions > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who would > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days. > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding accuracy? > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long time > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the answer. I > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri inBenares: > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane inthe > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairlyadvanced in > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my birth > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we did. > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple Sanskrit, > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himselfwas a > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer with > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the beginning > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poorshowing > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different fromprevious > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master Jyotisha and > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun is in > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is theyoga > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith givenfor > the information of the reader: > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world famous > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He will > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of many > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'The > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue his > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35, 38, 48 > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear from > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect, > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious > soul.' > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so thishelps > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great > astrologer, humility.] > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great pandit in > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrologybut > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelveyears. > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna (knower of > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future births > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous Satya > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge andhumility > must go together. > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather thanget a > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I remarked:"The Samhita > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of thousands of > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probably about > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select band of > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the grantha > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, hadbeen > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of course we > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next night. > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he was > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, thepossessor of > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > "Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation butmost > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as thefuture > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was revealed to > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > appropiate time. > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they claim to > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified. > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who dwells a > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that theyprobably > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be verified > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets differentdetails > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of only > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the approach > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the delineations > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met him > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons toteach. If > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I gathered > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general are > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster for > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a conclusion. > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he was > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He felt > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [Thismeans > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra mantra > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If hehad > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the pastand > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing knee-deep in > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attentionwas so > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the deity > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the useof a > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s discipleR.G. > Rao....] > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this time > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to others > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which will be > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of astrology but > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > reduce the volume of material.] > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord oflagna > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The > curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is asfollows. > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great pain. > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the guru > cursed him. > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations are according > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > Satabhisa 3." > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by saying > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple ofAgastya, > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. InBhrgu > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and cominations. In > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > 21,600 charts.] > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant. "Kaliyuga > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899 AD--saw > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves into > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect. > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completedstudy of > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not 46th > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1. When the > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because the > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could notsave > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen to but > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners but I > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > advanced astrologers. ] > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the time of > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "asMercury > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is pointing out > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,1977. > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and well.] > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa." [i have alwaysmaintained > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the2nd. If > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is inthe > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and say: > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have died > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign, > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life. The > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that Pada > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one navamsa. > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12 > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.] > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn enters > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is inHasta > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the person > dies." > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Raowas a > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been lost and > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which the > lagna and the planets are situated... > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth ofchildren up > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a jump > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. Hehas 48 > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the Budha > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame, travels, > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and children. > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not > relavent." > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N. Sastry an > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi. Here Dr > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties, when I > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Ramanhad a > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with outjumping > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadihas > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "The Bhrgu > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the Markandeya > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > OTHER OPINIONS > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological topics. The > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to befound > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the Nadis are > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where the > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer. > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculatorsargue > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so. > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and Samhitas > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of information on > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > readings given in them..." > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations' > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My ownteacher > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,even > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer the > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowingthe > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such things. > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seenfrom > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > foundations of the Nadis. > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for this > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages such > as Tamil.] > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit oftime > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school > itself in some cases. > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems appear to > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as will > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,Brahma, > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary vargas > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be > taken into account for prediction.' > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to knowin a > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus regulated by > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible forthe > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time ofconception > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into the > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done. Though > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as thetime > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); thepast > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet > determined what school it belongs to. > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are various > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed inthe > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines each > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some examples: > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer Navamsa > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o; > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two halves, > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > configurations are delineated. > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > different synonyms of Durga.] > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in the > dual signs. > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavifrom 0o > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva Nadi > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadithey > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over the > body..." > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though havingbeen > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of late in > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > appeared on January 13, 1994. > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > HOSHIARPUR: > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name, parentage, > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall misfortunes and > calamities. > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version ofthe > Samhita. > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He reportedly > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he purchased the > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra waslocated in > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were then > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > generation. > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript is in > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old. > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr. > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless portions of > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable. According to > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the goddess > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that hiswritings > henceforth would be unaffected. > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful portions and > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clientswho > complain that the predictions are not true. > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The list > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, S.K. > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and Dharmendra, > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan ofPakistan > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say thatBhindranwale > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University, says > family details are obtained from either the client or another source. > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on his > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate ahoroscope > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If something > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of the > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong there are > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examinethe > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls employed > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram Kumar. He > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "Weearn > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan. This is > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the rest > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in theU.S. > where they own a department store. > > _________ > > by Shyamasundara Das > >

[Guest guest]

I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were

happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and

bad are 100% correct.

 

The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi

at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi

that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same

thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father

till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw

1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to

98% till now.

 

Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are

fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and

even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find

which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and

have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be

theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of

all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts

thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that

one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis

things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

 

I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of

my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder

how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,

my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,

don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%

chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a

happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

 

Dhinakar R Iyer

 

 

 

, " jsebastian88 "

<jsebastian88 wrote:

>

> my nadi experience,

> . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi

> leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad

> things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good

> thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help

> of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to

> happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a

> holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few

> day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met

> that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good

> people and a big man(holyman). in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal).

> i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same

> place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has

> come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from

> poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.

>

> signs of true nadi astrologer:

> 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then

> he is fake one.

> the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.

> if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date

> of birth.

>

> for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .

> except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the

> details.

>

> i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

>

> BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.

>

> Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is

> authentic.

>

>

> , aries <waryaries@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr Oak .

> >  

> > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu parayu "    -

> >  

> > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> >  

> > arinjale - if you know

> >  

> > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> >  

> > Parayu - tell

> >  

> >  

> > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will tell you

> your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent

> of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was

> 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high

> in the forum .

> >  

> >  

> > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can

> they go wrong with future ?..

> >  

> > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in

> Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting

> meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have

> your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves

> > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever

> checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> >  

> > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the

> website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of

> poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them

> easily .

> >  

> > Thanks for your understanding .

> >  

> > Aries

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >

> > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@> wrote:

> >

> > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@>

> > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS

> : An Excerpt

> >

> > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@, ankush_singh108@, " naadi astrology "

> , " Prasad Bankar " <prasadbankar@>,

> " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@>, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> <venishank@>, " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> <rishi_nick@>, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@>, gadwayanand@,

> " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@>, " harish kumar "

> <harish_kumar551@>, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@>, masihik@,

> naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@>, " neha Oak "

> <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@>, " piyush pande "

> <piyushpande@>, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@>,

> " Prof.S.N.Arseculeratne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@, puru@,

> " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@, " ana salema "

> > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> <drjohn_samuel@>, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work

> with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However

> he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do

> not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings

> or work.

> > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore

> rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.

> > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.

> How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have

> scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in

> the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.

> > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una

> Road in Hosiarpur.

> >

> >  Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> >

> > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:

> >

> > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :

> An Excerpt

> > " " <@ .

> com>

> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear members,

> > this is fyi.

> >

> > -

> > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > <>

> >

> > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> >

> > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned

some of

> > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are

quite

> > informative we shall examine what he has to say- " Grandfather had

given

> > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his

> > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of

> > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about

> > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of

> > pregnancy.

> >

> > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a

Nadar on

> > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore.

> > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart

> > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in

> Tamil

> > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the

> > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the

Nadis

> > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,

> it is

> > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.

For the

> > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading: "

> >

> > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi

format,

> > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> >

> > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded

> > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place;

> > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another

> lady

> > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign

> > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,

polite,

> > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good

> > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive

> > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy

> > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he

> > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

astrology.

> > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his

> > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is

> strong

> > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and

become a

> > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to

> > Ketu Dasa.'

> >

> > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue

> > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> >

> > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the

> 8th.

> > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the

> > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and

> > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He

> will

> > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

agriculture

> > and printing. He will enter government service in education and

banking

> > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> >

> > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and

> Venus

> > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> aspected by

> > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will

become

> > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's

> > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping mankind by

> > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will

> > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will

> > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the

> > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will

> > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and

> > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for

business.

> > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the

> > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn

Dasa

> > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will

secure a

> > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> vaksiddhi. He

> > will not enter government service but will have association with

kings.

> > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter

> and

> > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> >

> > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in

> 1935

> > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi which has

> > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the

Nadi had

> > predicted a bright future for me.

> >

> > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> possession of

> > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he

> > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was

that

> > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed

time,

> > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he

called

> > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the

> palm

> > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra

and the

> > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of

his in

> > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost

stunned

> > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to

> > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such

> > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> >

> > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first

> > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

predictions

> > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who

would

> > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was

> > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> >

> > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How

> > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding

accuracy?

> > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long

time

> > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

answer. I

> > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> >

> > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in

> Benares:

> >

> > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in

> the

> > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> advanced in

> > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and

> > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a

> > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my

birth

> > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we

did.

> > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be

> > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly

> > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple

Sanskrit,

> > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself

> was a

> > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with

> > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> >

> > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness,

> > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> >

> > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer

with

> > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the

beginning

> > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor

> showing

> > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from

> previous

> > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

Jyotisha and

> > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun

is in

> > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the

> yoga

> > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given

> for

> > the information of the reader:

> >

> > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He

> > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world

famous

> > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He

will

> > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of

many

> > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'

> The

> > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose

> > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue his

> > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of

> > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,

38, 48

> > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52

> > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear

from

> > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect,

> > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious

> > soul.'

> >

> > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on

> > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of

> > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this

> helps

> > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great

> > astrologer, humility.]

> >

> > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great pandit in

> > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology

> but

> > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve

> years.

> > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya

> > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in

> > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a

> > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

(knower of

> > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future

births

> > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous

Satya

> > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice

> > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and

> humility

> > must go together.

> >

> > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita

> > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...'

> > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> >

> > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading

> > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> >

> > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than

> get a

> > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about

> > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by sages

> > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I remarked: " The

Samhita

> > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

thousands of

> > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written probably

about

> > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select

band of

> > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession

> > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves carefully and

> > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the

grantha

> > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room

> > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had

> been

> > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> >

> > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of

course we

> > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next

night.

> >

> > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about

> > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future,

> > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be

> > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign

> > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he

was

> > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> possessor of

> > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with him.

> > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. "

> >

> > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27.

> >

> > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but

> most

> > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the

> future

> > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

revealed to

> > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the

> > appropiate time.

> >

> > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they

claim to

> > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is

> > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified.

> > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who

dwells a

> > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they

> probably

> > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be

verified

> > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different

> details

> > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of

only

> > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the

approach

> > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

delineations

> > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> >

> > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi

> > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of

> > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was

> > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met

him

> > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He

> > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's

> > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to

> teach. If

> > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may

> > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and

> > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the

> > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become

> > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility,

> > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> >

> > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I

gathered

> > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general

are

> > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their

> > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster

for

> > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

conclusion.

> > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he was

> > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He

felt

> > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This

> means

> > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much

> > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black

> > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the

> > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the

> > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from

> > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra

mantra

> > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he

> had

> > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past

> and

> > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of

> > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

knee-deep in

> > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her

> > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention

> was so

> > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the

deity

> > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use

> of a

> > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of

> > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> >

> > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but

> > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his

> > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated

> > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader.

> >

> > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple

> R.G.

> > Rao....]

> >

> > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this

time

> > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to

others

> > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which

will be

> > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

astrology but

> > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to

> > reduce the volume of material.]

> >

> > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of

> lagna

> > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is

> > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The

> > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse is as

> follows.

> > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native

> > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great

pain.

> > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the

guru

> > cursed him.

> >

> > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My

> > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a

> > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader

> > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

according

> > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is

> > Satabhisa 3. "

> >

> > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by

saying

> > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of

> Agastya,

> > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of

> > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the

> > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while

> > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In

> Bhrgu

> > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

cominations. In

> > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of

> > 21,600 charts.]

> >

> > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

" Kaliyuga

> > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899

AD--saw

> > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves

into

> > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect.

> > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> >

> > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives completed

> study of

> > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was

> > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not

46th

> > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.

When the

> > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because

the

> > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not

> save

> > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen

to but

> > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> >

> > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners

but I

> > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the

> > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and

> > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more

> > advanced astrologers. ]

> >

> > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the

time of

> > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' " as

> Mercury

> > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

pointing out

> > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with

> > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and

> > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,

> 1977.

> > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and

well.]

> >

> > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th.

> > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have always

> maintained

> > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed

> > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to

> > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> >

> > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the

> 2nd. If

> > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in

> the

> > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and

say:

> > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from

> > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have

died

> > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign,

> > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between

> > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.

The

> > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the

> > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that

Pada

> > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one

navamsa.

> > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12

> > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.]

> > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The

> > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn

enters

> > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in

> Hasta

> > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the

person

> > dies. "

> >

> > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao

> was a

> > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters

> > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native

> > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been

lost and

> > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will

> > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age. "

> >

> > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of

> > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which

the

> > lagna and the planets are situated...

> >

> > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more

> > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> >

> > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not

> > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> children up

> > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a

jump

> > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains:

> > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He

> has 48

> > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the

Budha

> > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> >

> > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,

travels,

> > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the

> > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

children.

> > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.]

> >

> > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the

> > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the

> > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not

> > relavent. "

> >

> > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

Sastry an

> > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.

Here Dr

> > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> >

> > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,

when I

> > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis. "

> >

> > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman

> had a

> > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not

> > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out

> jumping

> > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi

> has

> > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well

> > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: " The

Bhrgu

> > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

Markandeya

> > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> >

> > OTHER OPINIONS

> >

> > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V.

> > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

topics. The

> > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few

> > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> >

> > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles

> > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a

> > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi

> > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be

> found

> > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> >

> > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the

Nadis are

> > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some

> > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where

the

> > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already

> > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer.

> > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future

> > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators

> argue

> > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so.

> > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and

Samhitas

> > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of information on

> > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the

> > readings given in them... "

> >

> > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations'

> > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be

> > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own

> teacher

> > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna

> > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears

> > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being

> > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,

> even

> > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer

the

> > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing

> the

> > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply

> > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such

things.

> >

> > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra

> > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen

> from

> > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> >

> > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological

> > foundations of the Nadis.

> >

> > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for

this

> > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala

> > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages

such

> > as Tamil.]

> >

> > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of

> time

> > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its

> > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school

> > itself in some cases.

> >

> > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

appear to

> > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as

will

> > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a

> > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,

> Brahma,

> > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian

> > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary

vargas

> > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> >

> > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is

> > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and

> > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its

> > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are:

> >

> > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of

> > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be

> > taken into account for prediction.'

> >

> > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know

> in a

> > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

regulated by

> > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of

> > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare

> > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for

> the

> > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of

> conception

> > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into

the

> > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.

Though

> > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all

> > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the

> > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the

> time

> > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> >

> > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the

> past

> > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> >

> > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction;

> > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet

> > determined what school it belongs to.

> >

> > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of

> > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which

> > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are

various

> > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> >

> > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the

> > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he

> > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is

> > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical

> > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> >

> > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> >

> > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of

> > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in

> the

> > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines

each

> > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some

examples:

> > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> >

> > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer

Navamsa

> > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are

> > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o;

> > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to

> > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are

> > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two

halves,

> > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary

> > configurations are delineated.

> >

> > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that

> > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the

> > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in

> > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are

> > different synonyms of Durga.]

> >

> > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in

> > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in

the

> > dual signs.

> >

> > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi

> from 0o

> > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> >

> > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and

> > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are

> > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva

Nadi

> > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi

> they

> > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda

> > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over

the

> > body... "

> >

> > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues

> > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having

> been

> > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the

> > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of

late in

> > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of

> > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> >

> > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy

> > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a

> > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It

> > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> >

> > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> >

> > HOSHIARPUR:

> >

> > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune

> > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu

> > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human

> > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> >

> > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

parentage,

> > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future

> > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

misfortunes and

> > calamities.

> >

> > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are

> > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of

> the

> > Samhita.

> >

> > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram

> > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish

> > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

reportedly

> > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum

> > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

purchased the

> > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> >

> > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families,

> > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was

> located in

> > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were

then

> > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious

> > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present

> > generation.

> >

> > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript

is in

> > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old.

> > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr.

> > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

portions of

> > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> >

> > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

According to

> > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the

goddess

> > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But

> > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his

> writings

> > henceforth would be unaffected.

> >

> > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved

> > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

portions and

> > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients

> who

> > complain that the predictions are not true.

> >

> > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " The list

> > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,

S.K.

> > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

Dharmendra,

> > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of

> Pakistan

> > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> Bhindranwale

> > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> >

> > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai

> > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,

says

> > family details are obtained from either the client or another source.

> > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of

> > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> >

> > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on

his

> > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a

> horoscope

> > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If

something

> > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of

the

> > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong

there are

> > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> >

> > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine

> the

> > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls

employed

> > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram Kumar. He

> > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its

> > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes.

> >

> > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. " We

> earn

> > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan. This is

> > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it.

> >

> > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the

rest

> > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the

> U.S.

> > where they own a department store.

> >

> > _________

> >

> > by Shyamasundara Das

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address of D.Balasubramanium,agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

 

My Exprience With Nadi,

 

My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something which are unbeleivable till today)

and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have started believing

in Nadi.

 

Thanks

Senthil

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram wrote:

rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

 

 

I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things werehappening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good andbad are 100% correct. The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadiat age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadithat there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, samething happened and also in my naadi there were references to fathertill 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to98% till now. Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there arefake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship andeven to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to findwhich is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical andhave a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may betheist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis ofall switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one startsthinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so thatone can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysisthings without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years ofmy age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonderhow come these were told several millennia ago by people who'sexistence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have ahappy peaceful journey - same

thing for everything. Dhinakar R Iyer , "jsebastian88"<jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:>> my nadi experience,> . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> that holyman. as told in nadi i

got job with the help of few good> people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal) .> i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.> > signs of true nadi astrologer:> 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> he is fake one.> the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> of birth.> > for me

he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> details. > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.> > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> authentic. > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> >> > Mr Oak .> > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu " - > > > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact location ) > > > > arinjale - if you know >

> > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > > > Parayu - tell > > > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> in the forum .> > > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> they go wrong with future ?..> > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi

leaves > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> easily .> > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > > Aries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> : An

Excerpt> > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@,

"Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow

do> not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> or work. > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > Siva Dayaalan

<dayalan_a >> > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> An Excerpt> > "" <@ .> com>> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > this is fyi.> > > > -> > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > <>> > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentionedsome of > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers.

Since his observations arequite > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather hadgiven > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > pregnancy. > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was aNadar on > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> Tamil > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the

reading. Of all theNadis > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> it is > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.For the > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadiformat, > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place; > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> lady > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,polite, > > modest, sympathetic, business-like,

attentive, no kapatam, has good > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications inastrology. > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> strong > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education andbecome a > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th

with the lord of the> 8th. > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> will > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit fromagriculture > > and printing. He will enter government service in education andbanking > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> Venus > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> aspected by > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He willbecome > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > profession. He will study planets, become

learned, helping mankind by > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good forbusiness. > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In SaturnDasa > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He willsecure a > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> vaksiddhi. He > > will not enter government service but will have association

withkings. > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> and > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> 1935 > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi which has > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because theNadi had > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> possession of > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi wasthat > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointedtime, > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what hecalled > > an important line on

it. On the basis of this line he read from the> palm > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatraand the > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance ofhis in > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almoststunned > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specificpredictions > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son whowould > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10

days. > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astoundingaccuracy? > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a longtime > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me theanswer. I > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> Benares: > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> the > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> advanced in > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary

enquiries and recording mybirth > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which wedid. > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simpleSanskrit, > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> was a > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologerwith > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [thebeginning > >

of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> showing > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> previous > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to masterJyotisha and > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sunis in > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> yoga > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> for > > the information of the reader: > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become worldfamous > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. Hewill > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author ofmany > >

books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> The > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue his > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,38, 48 > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fearfrom > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect, > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious > > soul.' > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > > Varaha

Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> helps > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great > > astrologer, humility.] > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great pandit in > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> but > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> years. > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna(knower of > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all futurebirths > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he

compiled his famousSatya > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> humility > > must go together. > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> get a > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I

remarked:"TheSamhita > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age ofthousands of > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probablyabout > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a selectband of > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But thegrantha > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> been > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Ofcourse we > > could

not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the nextnight. > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that hewas > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> possessor of > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique

system of horoscopic interpretation but> most > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> future > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology wasrevealed to > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > > appropiate time. > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology theyclaim to > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified. > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) whodwells a > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> probably > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot beverified > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different> details > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as ofonly > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of theapproach > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to thedelineations > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first methim > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> teach. If

> > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards Igathered > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in generalare > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disasterfor > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such aconclusion. > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife

with whom he was > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. Hefelt > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> means > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudramantra > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> had > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> and > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standingknee-deep in > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> was so > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of thedeity > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> of a > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > > [kshudra] devata

controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> R.G. > > Rao....] > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but thistime > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar toothers > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of whichwill be > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student ofastrology but > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > reduce the volume of material.] > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> lagna > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The >

> curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> follows. > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her greatpain. > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still theguru > > cursed him. > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations areaccording > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > Satabhisa 3." > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent bysaying > > " that this

grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> Agastya, > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> Bhrgu > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations andcominations. In > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant."Kaliyuga > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899AD--saw > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselvesinto > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect. > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> study of > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not46th > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.When the > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Becausethe > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> save > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listento but > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginnersbut I > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > flavor of

how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed thetime of > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> Mercury > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman ispointing out > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> 1977. > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive andwell.] > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa."

[i have always> maintained > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> 2nd. If > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> the > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede andsay: > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would havedied > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign, > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.The

> > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain thatPada > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to onenavamsa. > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12 > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.] > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturnenters > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> Hasta > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point theperson > > dies." > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian

Rao> was a > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have beenlost and > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in whichthe > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > > proved quite correct.

But the delineation about the birth of> children up > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again ajump > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> has 48 > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of theBudha > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,travels, > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, andchildren. > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > > delineation is fairly

accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not > > relavent." > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.Sastry an > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.Here Dr > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,when I > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> had a > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> jumping > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi>

has > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "TheBhrgu > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to theMarkandeya > > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > > > OTHER OPINIONS > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrologicaltopics. The > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > Granthas follow

a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> found > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that theNadis are > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, wherethe > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer. > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> argue > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so. > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis andSamhitas > > have a charm and fascination over

people. But a lot of information on > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > readings given in them..." > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations' > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> teacher > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> even > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answerthe > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> the >

> principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know suchthings. > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> from > > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature forthis > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languagessuch > > as Tamil.] > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> time > > or its

corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school > > itself in some cases. > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systemsappear to > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes aswill > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> Brahma, > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetaryvargas > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > >

(iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be > > taken into account for prediction.' > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> in a > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thusregulated by > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> the > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> conception > > or in actual

terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation intothe > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.Though > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> time > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> past > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > >

determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There arevarious > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> the > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defineseach > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take someexamples: > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, CancerNavamsa > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o; > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in twohalves, > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > configurations are delineated. > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > instead of using only five vargas it employs

all sixteen of the > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward inthe > > dual signs. > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> from 0o > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in DruvaNadi > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> they > > are

typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all overthe > > body..." > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> been > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated oflate in > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > appeared on January 13,

1994. > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,parentage, > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestallmisfortunes and > > calamities. > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> the > > Samhita. > > >

> One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. Hereportedly > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, hepurchased the > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> located in > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars werethen > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > > generation. > >

> > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscriptis in > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old. > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr. > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the uselessportions of > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.According to > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from thegoddess > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> writings > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the

doubtfulportions and > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> who > > complain that the predictions are not true. > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The list > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,S.K. > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini andDharmendra, > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> Pakistan > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> Bhindranwale > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,says > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another source. > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading onhis > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> horoscope > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. Ifsomething > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% ofthe > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrongthere are > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> the > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girlsemployed > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

Kumar. He > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> earn > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan. This is > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while therest > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the> U.S. > > where they own a department store. > > > > _________ > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

 

cheers..!!

rajat--- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 wrote:

senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS Date: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address of D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

 

My Exprience With Nadi,

 

My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something which are unbeleivable till today)

and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have started believing

in Nadi.

 

Thanks

Senthil

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:

rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERSThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

 

 

I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things werehappening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good andbad are 100% correct. The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadiat age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadithat there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, samething happened and also in my naadi there were references to fathertill 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to98% till now. Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there arefake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship andeven to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to findwhich is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical andhave a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may betheist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis ofall switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one startsthinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so thatone can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysisthings without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years ofmy age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonderhow come these were told several millennia ago by people who'sexistence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have ahappy peaceful journey - same

thing for everything. Dhinakar R Iyer , "jsebastian88"<jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:>> my nadi experience,> . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> that holyman. as told in nadi i

got job with the help of few good> people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal) .> i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.> > signs of true nadi astrologer:> 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> he is fake one.> the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> of birth.> > for me

he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> details. > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE..> > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> authentic. > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> >> > Mr Oak .> > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu " - > > > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact location ) > > > > arinjale - if you know >

> > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > > > Parayu - tell > > > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> in the forum .> > > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> they go wrong with future ?..> > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi

leaves > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> easily .> > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > > Aries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> : An

Excerpt> > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@,

"Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow

do> not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> or work. > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > Siva Dayaalan

<dayalan_a >> > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> An Excerpt> > "" <@ .> com>> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > this is fyi.> > > > -> > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > <>> > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentionedsome of > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers.

Since his observations arequite > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather hadgiven > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > pregnancy. > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was aNadar on > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> Tamil > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the

reading. Of all theNadis > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> it is > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.For the > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadiformat, > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place; > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> lady > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,polite, > > modest, sympathetic, business-like,

attentive, no kapatam, has good > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications inastrology. > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> strong > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education andbecome a > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th

with the lord of the> 8th. > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> will > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit fromagriculture > > and printing. He will enter government service in education andbanking > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> Venus > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> aspected by > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He willbecome > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > profession. He will study planets, become

learned, helping mankind by > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good forbusiness. > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In SaturnDasa > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He willsecure a > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> vaksiddhi. He > > will not enter government service but will have association

withkings. > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> and > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> 1935 > > have turned out to be correct.. I feel this is the only Nadi which has > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because theNadi had > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> possession of > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi wasthat > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointedtime, > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what hecalled > > an important line on

it. On the basis of this line he read from the> palm > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatraand the > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance ofhis in > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almoststunned > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specificpredictions > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son whowould > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10

days. > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astoundingaccuracy? > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a longtime > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me theanswer. I > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> Benares: > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> the > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> advanced in > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary

enquiries and recording mybirth > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which wedid. > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simpleSanskrit, > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> was a > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologerwith > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [thebeginning > >

of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> showing > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> previous > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to masterJyotisha and > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sunis in > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> yoga > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> for > > the information of the reader: > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become worldfamous > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. Hewill > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author ofmany > >

books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> The > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna.. He will continue his > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,38, 48 > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fearfrom > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect, > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious > > soul.' > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > > Varaha

Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> helps > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great > > astrologer, humility.] > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great pandit in > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> but > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> years. > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna(knower of > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all futurebirths > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he

compiled his famousSatya > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> humility > > must go together. > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> get a > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I

remarked:"TheSamhita > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age ofthousands of > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probablyabout > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a selectband of > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But thegrantha > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> been > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Ofcourse we > > could

not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the nextnight. > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr.. Raman briefly mentions that hewas > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> possessor of > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique

system of horoscopic interpretation but> most > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> future > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology wasrevealed to > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > > appropiate time. > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology theyclaim to > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified. > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) whodwells a > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> probably > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot beverified > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different> details > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as ofonly > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of theapproach > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to thedelineations > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first methim > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> teach. If

> > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards Igathered > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in generalare > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disasterfor > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such aconclusion. > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife

with whom he was > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. Hefelt > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> means > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudramantra > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> had > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> and > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standingknee-deep in > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> was so > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of thedeity > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> of a > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > > [kshudra] devata

controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> R.G. > > Rao....] > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but thistime > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar toothers > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of whichwill be > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student ofastrology but > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > reduce the volume of material.] > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> lagna > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The >

> curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> follows. > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her greatpain. > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still theguru > > cursed him. > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations areaccording > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > Satabhisa 3." > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent bysaying > > " that this

grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> Agastya, > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> Bhrgu > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations andcominations. In > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant."Kaliyuga > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899AD--saw > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselvesinto > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect. > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> study of > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not46th > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.When the > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Becausethe > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> save > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listento but > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginnersbut I > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > flavor of

how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed thetime of > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> Mercury > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman ispointing out > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> 1977. > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive andwell.] > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa."

[i have always> maintained > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> 2nd. If > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> the > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede andsay: > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would havedied > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign, > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.The

> > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain thatPada > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to onenavamsa. > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12 > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.] > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturnenters > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> Hasta > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point theperson > > dies." > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian

Rao> was a > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have beenlost and > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in whichthe > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > > proved quite correct.

But the delineation about the birth of> children up > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again ajump > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> has 48 > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of theBudha > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,travels, > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, andchildren. > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > > delineation is fairly

accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not > > relavent." > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.Sastry an > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.Here Dr > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,when I > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> had a > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> jumping > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi>

has > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "TheBhrgu > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to theMarkandeya > > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > > > OTHER OPINIONS > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrologicaltopics. The > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > Granthas follow

a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> found > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that theNadis are > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, wherethe > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer. > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> argue > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so. > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis andSamhitas > > have a charm and fascination over

people. But a lot of information on > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > readings given in them..." > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations' > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> teacher > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> even > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answerthe > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> the >

> principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know suchthings. > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> from > > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature forthis > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languagessuch > > as Tamil.] > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> time > > or its

corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school > > itself in some cases. > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systemsappear to > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes aswill > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> Brahma, > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetaryvargas > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > >

(iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be > > taken into account for prediction.' > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> in a > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thusregulated by > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> the > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> conception > > or in actual

terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation intothe > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.Though > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> time > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> past > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > >

determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There arevarious > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> the > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defineseach > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take someexamples: > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, CancerNavamsa > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o; > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in twohalves, > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > configurations are delineated. > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > instead of using only five vargas it employs

all sixteen of the > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward inthe > > dual signs. > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> from 0o > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in DruvaNadi > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> they > > are

typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all overthe > > body..." > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> been > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated oflate in > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > appeared on January 13,

1994. > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,parentage, > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestallmisfortunes and > > calamities. > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> the > > Samhita. > > >

> One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. Hereportedly > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, hepurchased the > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> located in > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars werethen > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > > generation. > >

> > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscriptis in > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old. > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr. > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the uselessportions of > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.According to > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from thegoddess > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> writings > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the

doubtfulportions and > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> who > > complain that the predictions are not true. > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The list > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,S.K. > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini andDharmendra, > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> Pakistan > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> Bhindranwale > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,says > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another source. > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading onhis > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> horoscope > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. Ifsomething > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% ofthe > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrongthere are > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> the > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girlsemployed > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

Kumar. He > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> earn > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan. This is > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while therest > > add to the family fortunes in other ways.. One couple resides in the> U.S. > > where they own a department store. > > > > _________ > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > >

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I have given the full contact details, including telephone number and person to meet etc in the data base section on this forum. Kindly refer. else mail me. Dhinakar From: psenthilkumar4Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:07:37 +0530Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address of D.Balasubramanium,agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

 

My Exprience With Nadi,

 

My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something which are unbeleivable till today)

and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have started believing

in Nadi.

 

Thanks

Senthil

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

 

 

I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things werehappening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good andbad are 100% correct. The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadiat age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadithat there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, samething happened and also in my naadi there were references to fathertill 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to98% till now. Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there arefake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship andeven to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to findwhich is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical andhave a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may betheist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis ofall switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one startsthinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so thatone can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysisthings without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years ofmy age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonderhow come these were told several millennia ago by people who'sexistence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have ahappy peaceful journey - same

thing for everything. Dhinakar R Iyer , "jsebastian88"<jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:>> my nadi experience,> . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> that holyman. as told in nadi i

got job with the help of few good> people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal) .> i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.> > signs of true nadi astrologer:> 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> he is fake one.> the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> of birth.> > for me

he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> details. > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.> > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> authentic. > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> >> > Mr Oak .> > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu " - > > > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact location ) > > > > arinjale - if you know >

> > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > > > Parayu - tell > > > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> in the forum .> > > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> they go wrong with future ?..> > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi

leaves > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> easily .> > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > > Aries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> : An

Excerpt> > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@,

"Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow

do> not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> or work. > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > Siva Dayaalan

<dayalan_a >> > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> An Excerpt> > "" <@ .> com>> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > this is fyi.> > > > -> > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > <>> > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentionedsome of > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers.

Since his observations arequite > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather hadgiven > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > pregnancy. > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was aNadar on > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> Tamil > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the

reading. Of all theNadis > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> it is > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.For the > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadiformat, > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place; > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> lady > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,polite, > > modest, sympathetic, business-like,

attentive, no kapatam, has good > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications inastrology. > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> strong > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education andbecome a > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th

with the lord of the> 8th. > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> will > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit fromagriculture > > and printing. He will enter government service in education andbanking > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> Venus > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> aspected by > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He willbecome > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > profession. He will study planets, become

learned, helping mankind by > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good forbusiness. > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In SaturnDasa > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He willsecure a > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> vaksiddhi. He > > will not enter government service but will have association

withkings. > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> and > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> 1935 > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi which has > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because theNadi had > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> possession of > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi wasthat > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointedtime, > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what hecalled > > an important line on

it. On the basis of this line he read from the> palm > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatraand the > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance ofhis in > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almoststunned > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specificpredictions > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son whowould > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10

days. > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astoundingaccuracy? > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a longtime > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me theanswer. I > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> Benares: > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> the > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> advanced in > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary

enquiries and recording mybirth > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which wedid. > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simpleSanskrit, > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> was a > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologerwith > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [thebeginning > >

of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> showing > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> previous > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to masterJyotisha and > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sunis in > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> yoga > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> for > > the information of the reader: > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become worldfamous > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. Hewill > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author ofmany > >

books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> The > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue his > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,38, 48 > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fearfrom > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect, > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious > > soul.' > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > > Varaha

Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> helps > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great > > astrologer, humility.] > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great pandit in > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> but > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> years. > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna(knower of > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all futurebirths > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he

compiled his famousSatya > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> humility > > must go together. > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> get a > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I

remarked:"TheSamhita > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age ofthousands of > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probablyabout > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a selectband of > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But thegrantha > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> been > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Ofcourse we > > could

not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the nextnight. > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that hewas > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> possessor of > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique

system of horoscopic interpretation but> most > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> future > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology wasrevealed to > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > > appropiate time. > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology theyclaim to > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified. > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) whodwells a > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> probably > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot beverified > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different> details > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as ofonly > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of theapproach > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to thedelineations > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first methim > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> teach. If

> > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards Igathered > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in generalare > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disasterfor > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such aconclusion. > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife

with whom he was > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. Hefelt > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> means > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudramantra > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> had > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> and > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standingknee-deep in > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> was so > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of thedeity > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> of a > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > > [kshudra] devata

controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> R.G. > > Rao....] > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but thistime > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar toothers > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of whichwill be > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student ofastrology but > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > reduce the volume of material.] > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> lagna > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The >

> curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> follows. > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her greatpain. > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still theguru > > cursed him. > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations areaccording > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > Satabhisa 3." > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent bysaying > > " that this

grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> Agastya, > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> Bhrgu > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations andcominations. In > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant."Kaliyuga > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899AD--saw > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselvesinto > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect. > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> study of > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not46th > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.When the > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Becausethe > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> save > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listento but > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginnersbut I > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > flavor of

how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed thetime of > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> Mercury > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman ispointing out > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> 1977. > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive andwell.] > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa."

[i have always> maintained > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> 2nd. If > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> the > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede andsay: > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would havedied > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign, > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.The

> > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain thatPada > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to onenavamsa. > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12 > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.] > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturnenters > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> Hasta > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point theperson > > dies." > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian

Rao> was a > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have beenlost and > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in whichthe > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > > proved quite correct.

But the delineation about the birth of> children up > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again ajump > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> has 48 > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of theBudha > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,travels, > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, andchildren. > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > > delineation is fairly

accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not > > relavent." > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.Sastry an > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.Here Dr > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,when I > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> had a > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> jumping > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi>

has > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "TheBhrgu > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to theMarkandeya > > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > > > OTHER OPINIONS > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrologicaltopics. The > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > Granthas follow

a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> found > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that theNadis are > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, wherethe > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer. > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> argue > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so. > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis andSamhitas > > have a charm and fascination over

people. But a lot of information on > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > readings given in them..." > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations' > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> teacher > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> even > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answerthe > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> the >

> principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know suchthings. > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> from > > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature forthis > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languagessuch > > as Tamil.] > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> time > > or its

corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school > > itself in some cases. > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systemsappear to > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes aswill > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> Brahma, > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetaryvargas > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > >

(iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be > > taken into account for prediction.' > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> in a > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thusregulated by > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> the > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> conception > > or in actual

terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation intothe > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.Though > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> time > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> past > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > >

determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There arevarious > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> the > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defineseach > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take someexamples: > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, CancerNavamsa > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o; > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in twohalves, > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > configurations are delineated. > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > instead of using only five vargas it employs

all sixteen of the > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward inthe > > dual signs. > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> from 0o > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in DruvaNadi > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> they > > are

typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all overthe > > body..." > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> been > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated oflate in > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > appeared on January 13,

1994. > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,parentage, > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestallmisfortunes and > > calamities. > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> the > > Samhita. > > >

> One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. Hereportedly > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, hepurchased the > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> located in > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars werethen > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > > generation. > >

> > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscriptis in > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old. > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr. > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the uselessportions of > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.According to > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from thegoddess > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> writings > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the

doubtfulportions and > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> who > > complain that the predictions are not true. > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The list > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,S.K. > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini andDharmendra, > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> Pakistan > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> Bhindranwale > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,says > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another source. > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading onhis > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> horoscope > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. Ifsomething > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% ofthe > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrongthere are > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> the > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girlsemployed > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

Kumar. He > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> earn > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan. This is > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while therest > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the> U.S. > > where they own a department store. > > > > _________ > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near Pachaiappa

College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.

Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 per

dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least

15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to be

spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

 

From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapa

college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: Take

Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road take

right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

 

Dhinakar

 

, Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena wrote:

>

> Hello,

>  

> Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya

nadi , kanchipuram.

>

>  

> cheers..!!

> rajat

>

> --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 wrote:

>

> senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4

> Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

>

> Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Hi all,

>  

>     I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting

chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the

geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

>  

> My Exprience With Nadi,

>  

>   My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my

prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something

which are unbeleivable till today) 

> and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

started believing

> in Nadi.

>  

> Thanks

> Senthil

>  

>

>     

>

> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

>

> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

>

>

>

>

> I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were

> happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and

> bad are 100% correct.

>

> The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi

> at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi

> that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same

> thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father

> till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw

> 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to

> 98% till now.

>

> Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are

> fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and

> even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find

> which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and

> have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be

> theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of

> all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts

> thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that

> one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis

> things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

>

> I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of

> my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder

> how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,

> my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,

> don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%

> chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a

> happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

>

> Dhinakar R Iyer

>

> , " jsebastian88 "

> <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > my nadi experience,

> > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi

> > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad

> > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good

> > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help

> > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to

> > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a

> > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few

> > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met

> > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good

> > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

saandroragal) ..

> > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same

> > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has

> > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from

> > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came

true.

> >

> > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then

> > he is fake one.

> > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.

> > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date

> > of birth.

> >

> > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .

> > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the

> > details.

> >

> > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> >

> > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.

> >

> > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is

> > authentic.

> >

> >

> > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr Oak .

> > >  

> > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu parayu "    -

> > >  

> > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > >  

> > > arinjale - if you know

> > >  

> > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > >  

> > > Parayu - tell

> > >  

> > >  

> > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will tell you

> > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent

> > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was

> > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high

> > in the forum .

> > >  

> > >  

> > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can

> > they go wrong with future ?..

> > >  

> > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in

> > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting

> > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have

> > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves

> > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever

> > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > >  

> > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the

> > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of

> > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them

> > easily .

> > >  

> > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > >  

> > > Aries

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS

> > : An Excerpt

> > >

> > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi astrology "

> > <>, " Prasad Bankar " <prasadbankar@ >,

> > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar "

> > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush pande "

> > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema "

> > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work

> > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However

> > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do

> > not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings

> > or work.

> > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore

> > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.

> > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.

> > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have

> > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in

> > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.

> > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una

> > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > >

> > >  Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:

> > >

> > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :

> > An Excerpt

> > > " " <@ .

> > com>

> > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > this is fyi.

> > >

> > > -

> > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > <>

> > >

> > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > >

> > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned

> some of

> > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are

> quite

> > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- " Grandfather had

> given

> > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near

his

> > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a

lot of

> > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about

> > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of

> > > pregnancy.

> > >

> > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a

> Nadar on

> > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore.

> > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi

chart

> > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in

> > Tamil

> > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the

> > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the

> Nadis

> > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,

> > it is

> > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.

> For the

> > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading: "

> > >

> > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi

> format,

> > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > >

> > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded

> > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's

place;

> > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another

> > lady

> > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus

sign

> > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,

> polite,

> > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good

> > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive

> > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become

happy

> > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the

5th, he

> > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> astrology.

> > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his

> > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is

> > strong

> > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and

> become a

> > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live

up to

> > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > >

> > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue

> > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > >

> > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the

> > 8th.

> > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is

in the

> > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the

2nd and

> > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He

> > will

> > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> agriculture

> > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and

> banking

> > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > >

> > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and

> > Venus

> > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > aspected by

> > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will

> become

> > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's

> > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

mankind by

> > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He

will

> > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and

will

> > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add

to the

> > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will

> > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and

> > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for

> business.

> > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the

> > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn

> Dasa

> > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will

> secure a

> > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > vaksiddhi. He

> > > will not enter government service but will have association with

> kings.

> > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter

> > and

> > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > >

> > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in

> > 1935

> > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

which has

> > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the

> Nadi had

> > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > >

> > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > possession of

> > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he

> > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was

> that

> > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed

> time,

> > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he

> called

> > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the

> > palm

> > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra

> and the

> > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of

> his in

> > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost

> stunned

> > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable

him to

> > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such

> > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > >

> > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the

first

> > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> predictions

> > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who

> would

> > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was

> > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > >

> > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

this? How

> > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding

> accuracy?

> > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long

> time

> > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> answer. I

> > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> > >

> > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in

> > Benares:

> > >

> > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in

> > the

> > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > advanced in

> > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile

and

> > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a

> > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my

> birth

> > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we

> did.

> > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be

> > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and

slowly

> > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple

> Sanskrit,

> > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself

> > was a

> > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began

with

> > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > >

> > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness,

> > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > >

> > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer

> with

> > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the

> beginning

> > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor

> > showing

> > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from

> > previous

> > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> Jyotisha and

> > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun

> is in

> > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the

> > yoga

> > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given

> > for

> > > the information of the reader:

> > >

> > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

persons. He

> > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world

> famous

> > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He

> will

> > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of

> many

> > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'

> > The

> > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife

whose

> > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue

his

> > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the

art of

> > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,

> 38, 48

> > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52

> > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear

> from

> > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

respect,

> > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a

pious

> > > soul.'

> > >

> > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on

> > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of

> > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this

> > helps

> > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a

great

> > > astrologer, humility.]

> > >

> > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great

pandit in

> > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology

> > but

> > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve

> > years.

> > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya

> > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

defficient in

> > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a

> > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> (knower of

> > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future

> births

> > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous

> Satya

> > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

practice

> > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and

> > humility

> > > must go together.

> > >

> > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita

> > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,

....'

> > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > >

> > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading

> > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > >

> > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than

> > get a

> > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about

> > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by sages

> > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I remarked: " The

> Samhita

> > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> thousands of

> > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written probably

> about

> > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select

> band of

> > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

possession

> > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves carefully and

> > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the

> grantha

> > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another

room

> > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had

> > been

> > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > >

> > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of

> course we

> > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next

> night.

> > >

> > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about

> > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future,

> > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be

> > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign

> > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he

> was

> > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > possessor of

> > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with him.

> > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. "

> > >

> > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27.

> > >

> > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but

> > most

> > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the

> > future

> > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> revealed to

> > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the

> > > appropiate time.

> > >

> > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they

> claim to

> > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is

> > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

verified.

> > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who

> dwells a

> > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they

> > probably

> > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be

> verified

> > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different

> > details

> > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of

> only

> > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the

> approach

> > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> delineations

> > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > >

> > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha

Nadi

> > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

distinctiveness of

> > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when

he was

> > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met

> him

> > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

consequence. He

> > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's

> > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to

> > teach. If

> > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may

> > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and

> > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the

> > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become

> > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility,

> > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > >

> > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I

> gathered

> > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general

> are

> > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of

their

> > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster

> for

> > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> conclusion.

> > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he

was

> > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He

> felt

> > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This

> > means

> > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are

much

> > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call

black

> > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

followed the

> > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the

> > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from

> > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra

> mantra

> > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he

> > had

> > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past

> > and

> > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

stage of

> > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> knee-deep in

> > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash

her

> > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention

> > was so

> > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the

> deity

> > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use

> > of a

> > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of

> > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > >

> > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

story, but

> > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years

of his

> > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated

> > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader.

> > >

> > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple

> > R.G.

> > > Rao....]

> > >

> > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this

> time

> > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to

> others

> > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which

> will be

> > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> astrology but

> > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to

> > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > >

> > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of

> > lagna

> > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

This is

> > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.

The

> > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse is as

> > follows.

> > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the

native

> > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great

> pain.

> > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the

> guru

> > > cursed him.

> > >

> > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

contradictions. My

> > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a

> > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the

reader

> > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

> according

> > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is

> > > Satabhisa 3. "

> > >

> > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by

> saying

> > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of

> > Agastya,

> > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

number of

> > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)

and the

> > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while

> > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In

> > Bhrgu

> > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> cominations. In

> > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of

> > > 21,600 charts.]

> > >

> > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

> " Kaliyuga

> > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899

> AD--saw

> > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves

> into

> > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect.

> > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> > >

> > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives completed

> > study of

> > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was

> > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not

> 46th

> > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.

> When the

> > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because

> the

> > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not

> > save

> > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen

> to but

> > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > >

> > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners

> but I

> > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the

> > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect

and

> > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more

> > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > >

> > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the

> time of

> > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' " as

> > Mercury

> > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> pointing out

> > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with

> > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months

and

> > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,

> > 1977.

> > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and

> well.]

> > >

> > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th.

> > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have always

> > maintained

> > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

esteemed

> > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to

> > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > >

> > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the

> > 2nd. If

> > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in

> > the

> > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and

> say:

> > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd

from

> > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have

> died

> > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one

sign,

> > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect

between

> > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.

> The

> > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and

the

> > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that

> Pada

> > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one

> navamsa.

> > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same

as 12

> > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

childhood.]

> > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.

The

> > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn

> enters

> > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in

> > Hasta

> > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the

> person

> > > dies. "

> > >

> > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao

> > was a

> > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters

> > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native

> > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been

> lost and

> > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native

will

> > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age. "

> > >

> > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

transit of

> > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which

> the

> > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > >

> > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using

more

> > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > >

> > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and

has not

> > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > children up

> > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a

> jump

> > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

explains:

> > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He

> > has 48

> > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the

> Budha

> > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> > >

> > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,

> travels,

> > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode

of the

> > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> children.

> > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.]

> > >

> > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the

> > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the

> > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are

not

> > > relavent. "

> > >

> > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> Sastry an

> > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.

> Here Dr

> > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > >

> > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,

> when I

> > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis. "

> > >

> > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman

> > had a

> > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not

> > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out

> > jumping

> > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi

> > has

> > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well

> > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: " The

> Bhrgu

> > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> Markandeya

> > > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> > >

> > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > >

> > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by

B.V.

> > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> topics. The

> > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few

> > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > >

> > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

bundles

> > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details

like a

> > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi

> > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be

> > found

> > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > >

> > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the

> Nadis are

> > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some

> > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where

> the

> > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already

> > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

astrologer.

> > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future

> > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators

> > argue

> > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

happens so.

> > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and

> Samhitas

> > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

information on

> > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the

> > > readings given in them... "

> > >

> > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

'speculations'

> > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be

> > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own

> > teacher

> > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna

> > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their

ears

> > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason

being

> > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,

> > even

> > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer

> the

> > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing

> > the

> > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic

simply

> > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such

> things.

> > >

> > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use

ksudra

> > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen

> > from

> > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > >

> > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological

> > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > >

> > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for

> this

> > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda

Kala

> > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages

> such

> > > as Tamil.]

> > >

> > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of

> > time

> > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies

in its

> > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one

school

> > > itself in some cases.

> > >

> > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> appear to

> > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as

> will

> > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a

> > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,

> > Brahma,

> > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

Parasarian

> > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary

> vargas

> > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > >

> > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

perusal is

> > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and

> > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its

> > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they

are:

> > >

> > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

emergence of

> > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

should be

> > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > >

> > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know

> > in a

> > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> regulated by

> > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of

> > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the

rare

> > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for

> > the

> > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of

> > conception

> > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into

> the

> > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.

> Though

> > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all

> > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the

> > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the

> > time

> > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > >

> > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the

> > past

> > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > >

> > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction;

> > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is

not yet

> > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > >

> > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

method of

> > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which

> > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are

> various

> > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > >

> > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits

the

> > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he

> > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

longitude is

> > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical

> > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > >

> > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > >

> > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of

> > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in

> > the

> > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines

> each

> > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some

> examples:

> > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > >

> > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer

> Navamsa

> > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are

> > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to

20o;

> > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is

10o to

> > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

vargas are

> > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two

> halves,

> > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary

> > > configurations are delineated.

> > >

> > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that

> > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the

> > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

found in

> > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are

> > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > >

> > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

signs; in

> > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in

> the

> > > dual signs.

> > >

> > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi

> > from 0o

> > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > >

> > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and

> > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are

> > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva

> Nadi

> > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi

> > they

> > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like

Skanda

> > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over

> the

> > > body... "

> > >

> > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable

clues

> > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having

> > been

> > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle

to the

> > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of

> late in

> > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of

> > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > >

> > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy

> > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a

> > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It

> > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > >

> > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > >

> > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > >

> > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

fortune

> > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu

> > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human

> > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > >

> > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> parentage,

> > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and

future

> > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> misfortunes and

> > > calamities.

> > >

> > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are

> > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of

> > the

> > > Samhita.

> > >

> > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram

> > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish

> > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> reportedly

> > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum

> > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> purchased the

> > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > >

> > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

families,

> > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was

> > located in

> > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were

> then

> > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious

> > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present

> > > generation.

> > >

> > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript

> is in

> > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years

old.

> > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

ago. Mr.

> > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> portions of

> > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > >

> > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> According to

> > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the

> goddess

> > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.

But

> > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his

> > writings

> > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > >

> > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved

> > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> portions and

> > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients

> > who

> > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > >

> > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " The

list

> > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,

> S.K.

> > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> Dharmendra,

> > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of

> > Pakistan

> > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > Bhindranwale

> > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > >

> > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai

> > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,

> says

> > > family details are obtained from either the client or another

source.

> > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of

> > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > >

> > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on

> his

> > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a

> > horoscope

> > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If

> something

> > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of

> the

> > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong

> there are

> > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> > >

> > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine

> > the

> > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls

> employed

> > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

Kumar. He

> > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its

> > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes.

> > >

> > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. " We

> > earn

> > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

This is

> > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it.

> > >

> > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the

> rest

> > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the

> > U.S.

> > > where they own a department store.

> > >

> > > _________

> > >

> > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajat,

 

I have already given you in my previuos mail on yesterday. You r asking again in the forum. Its also there in the file section.

 

 

 

 

Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam

Sri Agathiyar Naadi

Thiru. D. Balasubramaniyam

189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road

Near Pachaiappa College for Men, Little Congivaram

Pincode: 631501.

0091 44 2726 9283

0091 44 6727 1123

Mr. Selvam

the centre is 1.5 Km from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from college. Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 per dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments atleast 15 days earlier and be there by 8am.

 

 

Thank you, Sincerly, S. Hariharan hariharan

 

 

From: rz_saxenaDate: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:51:23 -0700Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

 

cheers..!!

rajat--- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS Date: Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address of D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

 

My Exprience With Nadi,

 

My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something which are unbeleivable till today)

and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have started believing

in Nadi.

 

Thanks

Senthil

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:

rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERSThursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

 

 

I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things werehappening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good andbad are 100% correct. The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadiat age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadithat there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, samething happened and also in my naadi there were references to fathertill 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to98% till now. Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there arefake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship andeven to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to findwhich is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical andhave a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may betheist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis ofall switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one startsthinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so thatone can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysisthings without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years ofmy age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonderhow come these were told several millennia ago by people who'sexistence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have ahappy peaceful journey - same thing for everything. Dhinakar R Iyer , "jsebastian88"<jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:>> my nadi experience,> . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good> people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum saandroragal) .> i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came true.> > signs of true nadi astrologer:> 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> he is fake one.> the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> of birth.> > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> details. > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE..> > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> authentic. > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> >> > Mr Oak .> > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu " - > > > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact location ) > > > > arinjale - if you know > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > > > Parayu - tell > > > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> in the forum .> > > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> they go wrong with future ?..> > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> easily .> > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > > Aries > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> : An Excerpt> > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, "Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do> not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> or work. > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> An Excerpt> > "" <@ .> com>> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > this is fyi.> > > > -> > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > <>> > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentionedsome of > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations arequite > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather hadgiven > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > pregnancy. > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was aNadar on > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> Tamil > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all theNadis > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> it is > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.For the > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadiformat, > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's place; > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> lady > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,polite, > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications inastrology. > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> strong > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education andbecome a > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live up to > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the> 8th. > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is in the > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the 2nd and > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> will > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit fromagriculture > > and printing. He will enter government service in education andbanking > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> Venus > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> aspected by > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He willbecome > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping mankind by > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good forbusiness. > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In SaturnDasa > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He willsecure a > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> vaksiddhi. He > > will not enter government service but will have association withkings. > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> and > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> 1935 > > have turned out to be correct.. I feel this is the only Nadi which has > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because theNadi had > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> possession of > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi wasthat > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointedtime, > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what hecalled > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the> palm > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatraand the > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance ofhis in > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almoststunned > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable him to > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the first > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specificpredictions > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son whowould > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days. > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of this? How > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astoundingaccuracy? > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a longtime > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me theanswer. I > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> Benares: > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> the > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> advanced in > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording mybirth > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which wedid. > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simpleSanskrit, > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> was a > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began with > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologerwith > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [thebeginning > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> showing > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> previous > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to masterJyotisha and > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sunis in > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> yoga > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> for > > the information of the reader: > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of persons. He > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become worldfamous > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. Hewill > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author ofmany > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> The > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna.. He will continue his > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,38, 48 > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fearfrom > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect, > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a pious > > soul.' > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> helps > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a great > > astrologer, humility.] > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great pandit in > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> but > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> years. > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna(knower of > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all futurebirths > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famousSatya > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him practice > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> humility > > must go together. > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> get a > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I remarked:"TheSamhita > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age ofthousands of > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probablyabout > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a selectband of > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my possession > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But thegrantha > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another room > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> been > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Ofcourse we > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the nextnight. > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr.. Raman briefly mentions that hewas > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> possessor of > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but> most > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> future > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology wasrevealed to > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > > appropiate time. > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology theyclaim to > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be verified. > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) whodwells a > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> probably > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot beverified > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different> details > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as ofonly > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of theapproach > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to thedelineations > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first methim > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> teach. If > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards Igathered > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in generalare > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of their > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disasterfor > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such aconclusion. > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he was > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. Hefelt > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> means > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are much > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call black > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly followed the > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudramantra > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> had > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> and > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last stage of > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standingknee-deep in > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> was so > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of thedeity > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> of a > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> R.G. > > Rao....] > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but thistime > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar toothers > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of whichwill be > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student ofastrology but > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > reduce the volume of material.] > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> lagna > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!]. This is > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations. The > > curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> follows. > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the native > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her greatpain. > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still theguru > > cursed him. > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations areaccording > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > Satabhisa 3." > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent bysaying > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> Agastya, > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> Bhrgu > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations andcominations. In > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant."Kaliyuga > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899AD--saw > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselvesinto > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect. > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> study of > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not46th > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.When the > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Becausethe > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> save > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listento but > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginnersbut I > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect and > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed thetime of > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> Mercury > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman ispointing out > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> 1977. > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive andwell.] > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa." [i have always> maintained > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my esteemed > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> 2nd. If > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> the > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede andsay: > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd from > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would havedied > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one sign, > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect between > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.The > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and the > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain thatPada > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to onenavamsa. > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same as 12 > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in childhood.] > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturnenters > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> Hasta > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point theperson > > dies." > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao> was a > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have beenlost and > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native will > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the transit of > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in whichthe > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using more > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of> children up > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again ajump > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> has 48 > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of theBudha > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,travels, > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of the > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, andchildren. > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not > > relavent." > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.Sastry an > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.Here Dr > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,when I > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> had a > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> jumping > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi> has > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "TheBhrgu > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to theMarkandeya > > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > > > OTHER OPINIONS > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrologicaltopics. The > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf bundles > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details like a > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> found > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that theNadis are > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, wherethe > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi astrologer. > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> argue > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this happens so. > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis andSamhitas > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of information on > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > readings given in them..." > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the 'speculations' > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> teacher > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their ears > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason being > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> even > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answerthe > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> the > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic simply > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know suchthings. > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> from > > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature forthis > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languagessuch > > as Tamil.] > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> time > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies in its > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one school > > itself in some cases. > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systemsappear to > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes aswill > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> Brahma, > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the Parasarian > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetaryvargas > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence of > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should be > > taken into account for prediction.' > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> in a > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thusregulated by > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> the > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> conception > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation intothe > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.Though > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> time > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> past > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not yet > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There arevarious > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> the > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defineseach > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take someexamples: > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, CancerNavamsa > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to 20o; > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is 10o to > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five vargas are > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in twohalves, > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > configurations are delineated. > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable signs; in > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward inthe > > dual signs. > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> from 0o > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in DruvaNadi > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> they > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like Skanda > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all overthe > > body..." > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> been > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated oflate in > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > appeared on January 13, 1994. > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,parentage, > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestallmisfortunes and > > calamities. > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> the > > Samhita. > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. Hereportedly > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, hepurchased the > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> located in > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars werethen > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > > generation. > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscriptis in > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years old. > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years ago. Mr. > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the uselessportions of > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.According to > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from thegoddess > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value. But > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> writings > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtfulportions and > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> who > > complain that the predictions are not true. > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The list > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,S.K. > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini andDharmendra, > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> Pakistan > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> Bhindranwale > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,says > > family details are obtained from either the client or another source. > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading onhis > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> horoscope > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. Ifsomething > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% ofthe > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrongthere are > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> the > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girlsemployed > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram Kumar. He > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> earn > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan. This is > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while therest > > add to the family fortunes in other ways.. One couple resides in the> U.S. > > where they own a department store. > > > > _________ > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > >

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Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near PachaiappaCollege for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 27269283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Kmsouth from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 perdasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to bespent in the Centre. Rush will be there.From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapacollege stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: TakeVandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road takeright: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north. Dhinakar , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena wrote:>> Hello,>  > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthyanadi , kanchipuram.> >  > cheers..!!> rajat> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 wrote:> > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4> Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADIASTROLOGERS> > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,>  >     I am currently working in foreign country, will be visitingchennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact addressof  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of thegeniune nadi reader in and around chennai.>  > My Exprience With Nadi,>  >  My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All myprediction have come true and special about my carrier (somethingwhich are unbeleivable till today) > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i havestarted believing > in Nadi.>  > Thanks> Senthil>  > >     > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:> > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM> > > > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.> Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were> happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and> bad are 100% correct. > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi> at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi> that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same> thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father> till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw> 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to> 98% till now. > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are> fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and> even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find> which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and> have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be> theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of> all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts> thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that> one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis> things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of> my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder> how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's> existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,> my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,> don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%> chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a> happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything. > > Dhinakar R Iyer > > , "jsebastian88"> <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:> >> > my nadi experience,> > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good> > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrumsaandroragal) ..> > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also cametrue.> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:> > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> > he is fake one.> > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> > of birth.> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> > details. > > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> > authentic. > > > > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> > >> > > Mr Oak .> > >  > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu "  - > > >  > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location ) > > >  > > > arinjale - if you know > > >  > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > >  > > > Parayu - tell > > >  > > >  > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> > of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> > in the forum .> > >  > > >  > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> > they go wrong with future ?..> > >  > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > >  > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> > easily .> > >  > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > >  > > > Aries > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> > : An Excerpt> > > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> > <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> > "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> > <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> > <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> > "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> > <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> > naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> > <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, "Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> > "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> > "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> > sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do> > not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> > or work. > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> > Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > > >  Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> > > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> > An Excerpt> > > "" <@ .> > com>> > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > > this is fyi.> > > > > > -> > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > > <>> > > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned> some of > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are> quite > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- "Grandfather had> given > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living nearhis > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned alot of > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > > pregnancy. > > > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a> Nadar on > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasichart > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> > Tamil > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the> Nadis > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> > it is > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.> For the > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:" > > > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi> format, > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother'splace; > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> > lady > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venussign > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,> polite, > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will becomehappy > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the5th, he > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in> astrology. > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> > strong > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and> become a > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will liveup to > > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the> > 8th. > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon isin the > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the2nd and > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> > will > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from> agriculture > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and> banking > > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> > Venus > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> > aspected by > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will> become > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helpingmankind by > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. Hewill > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career andwill > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will addto the > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for> business. > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn> Dasa > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will> secure a > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> > vaksiddhi. He > > > will not enter government service but will have association with> kings. > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> > and > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> > 1935 > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadiwhich has > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the> Nadi had > > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> > possession of > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was> that > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed> time, > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he> called > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the> > palm > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra> and the > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of> his in > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost> stunned > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enablehim to > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.' > > > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out thefirst > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific> predictions > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who> would > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days. > > > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis ofthis? How > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding> accuracy? > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long> time > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the> answer. I > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course." > > > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> > Benares: > > > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> > the > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> > advanced in > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smileand > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my> birth > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we> did. > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle andslowly > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple> Sanskrit, > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> > was a > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings beganwith > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > > sorrow, longevity, etc... > > > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer> with > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the> beginning > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> > showing > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> > previous > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master> Jyotisha and > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun> is in > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> > yoga > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> > for > > > the information of the reader: > > > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future ofpersons. He > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world> famous > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He> will > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of> many > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> > The > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wifewhose > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continuehis > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by theart of > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,> 38, 48 > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear> from > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,respect, > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as apious > > > soul.' > > > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> > helps > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become agreat > > > astrologer, humility.] > > > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a greatpandit in > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> > but > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> > years. > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he wasdefficient in > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna> (knower of > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future> births > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous> Satya > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let himpractice > > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> > humility > > > must go together. > > > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,...' > > > something we could all cultivate more of.] > > > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> > get a > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I remarked:"The> Samhita > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of> thousands of > > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probably> about > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select> band of > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in mypossession > > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the> grantha > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to anotherroom > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> > been > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of> course we > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next> night. > > > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he> was > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> > possessor of > > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him. > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. " > > > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but> > most > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> > future > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was> revealed to > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > > > appropiate time. > > > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they> claim to > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not beverified. > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who> dwells a > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> > probably > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be> verified > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different> > details > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of> only > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the> approach > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the> delineations > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the BudhaNadi > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has adistinctiveness of > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 whenhe was > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met> him > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of noconsequence. He > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> > teach. If > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I> gathered > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general> are > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods oftheir > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster> for > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a> conclusion. > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom hewas > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He> felt > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> > means > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities aremuch > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would callblack > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctlyfollowed the > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra> mantra > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> > had > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> > and > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the laststage of > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing> knee-deep in > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to washher > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> > was so > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the> deity > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> > of a > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of thisstory, but > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last yearsof his > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> > R.G. > > > Rao....] > > > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this> time > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to> others > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which> will be > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of> astrology but > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > > reduce the volume of material.] > > > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> > lagna > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].This is > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.The > > > curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> > follows. > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru thenative > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great> pain. > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the> guru > > > cursed him. > > > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by severalcontradictions. My > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction thereader > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations are> according > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > > Satabhisa 3." > > > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by> saying > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> > Agastya, > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The totalnumber of > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)and the > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> > Bhrgu > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and> cominations. In > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.> "Kaliyuga > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899> AD--saw > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves> into > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect. > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer." > > > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> > study of > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not> 46th > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.> When the > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because> the > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> > save > > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen> to but > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners> but I > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfectand > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more > > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the> time of > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> > Mercury > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is> pointing out > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 monthsand > > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> > 1977. > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and> well.] > > > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa." [i have always> > maintained > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of myesteemed > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> > 2nd. If > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> > the > > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and> say: > > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rdfrom > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have> died > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in onesign, > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspectbetween > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.> The > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position andthe > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that> Pada > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one> navamsa. > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the sameas 12 > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death inchildhood.] > > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.The > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn> enters > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> > Hasta > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the> person > > > dies." > > > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao> > was a > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been> lost and > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The nativewill > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age." > > > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on thetransit of > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which> the > > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family usingmore > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague andhas not > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of> > children up > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a> jump > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadiexplains: > > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> > has 48 > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the> Budha > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."... > > > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,> travels, > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abodeof the > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and> children. > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and arenot > > > relavent." > > > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.> Sastry an > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.> Here Dr > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself. > > > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,> when I > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis." > > > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> > had a > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> > jumping > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi> > has > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "The> Bhrgu > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the> Markandeya > > > Nadi about which I have previously written." > > > > > > OTHER OPINIONS > > > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited byB.V. > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological> topics. The > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leafbundles > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute detailslike a > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> > found > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology. > > > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the> Nadis are > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where> the > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadiastrologer. > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> > argue > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, thishappens so. > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and> Samhitas > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot ofinformation on > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > > readings given in them..." > > > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the'speculations' > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> > teacher > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into theirears > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reasonbeing > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> > even > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer> the > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> > the > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magicsimply > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such> things. > > > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who useksudra > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> > from > > > B.V. Raman's testimony. > > > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for> this > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, CandaKala > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages> such > > > as Tamil.] > > > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> > time > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, variesin its > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in oneschool > > > itself in some cases. > > > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems> appear to > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as> will > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> > Brahma, > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses theParasarian > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary> vargas > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on itsperusal is > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here theyare: > > > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,emergence of > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All threeshould be > > > taken into account for prediction.' > > > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> > in a > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus> regulated by > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be therare > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> > the > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> > conception > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into> the > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.> Though > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> > time > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> > past > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It isnot yet > > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are amethod of > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are> various > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transitsthe > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [bylongitude is > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> > the > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines> each > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some> examples: > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer> Navamsa > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to20o; > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is10o to > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and fivevargas are > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two> halves, > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > > configurations are delineated. > > > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas arefound in > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movablesigns; in > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in> the > > > dual signs. > > > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> > from 0o > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva> Nadi > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> > they > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works likeSkanda > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over> the > > > body..." > > > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuableclues > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> > been > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzleto the > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of> late in > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > > appeared on January 13, 1994. > > > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out offortune > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,> parentage, > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past andfuture > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall> misfortunes and > > > calamities. > > > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> > the > > > Samhita. > > > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He> reportedly > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he> purchased the > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three relatedfamilies, > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> > located in > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were> then > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present > > > generation. > > > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript> is in > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred yearsold. > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 yearsago. Mr. > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless> portions of > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.> According to > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the> goddess > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.But > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> > writings > > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful> portions and > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> > who > > > complain that the predictions are not true. > > > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" Thelist > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,> S.K. > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and> Dharmendra, > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> > Pakistan > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> > Bhindranwale > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,> says > > > family details are obtained from either the client or anothersource. > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations. > > > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on> his > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> > horoscope > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If> something > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of> the > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong> there are > > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma. > > > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> > the > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls> employed > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr RamKumar. He > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> > earn > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan.This is > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the> rest > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the> > U.S. > > > where they own a department store. > > > > > > _________ > > > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > > > >

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Hi All,Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi reader before. A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the following :

Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this reader. They have given me a pamplet which says:

Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram temple in Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized thier value and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the nadi leaves since then.

Nadi Reader: Sri Sivakumar NaynarCan anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi reader in Bangalore?Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam

#3128th Cross, 35th Main, 6th PhaseJ.P. NagarBangalore - 560078Landmark: Behind Trishul SchoolPhone: 080-26656000, 26652400Mobile: Get Mobile Number

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From: dhinakarrajaramDate: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000

Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near PachaiappaCollege for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 27269283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 perdasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least

15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to bespent in the Centre. Rush will be there.From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapacollege stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: Take

Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road takeright: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north. Dhinakar , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena wrote:

>> Hello,> Â > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthyanadi , kanchipuram.> > Â > cheers..!!

> rajat> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4 wrote:> > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4> Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS> > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi all,>  >     I am currently working in foreign country, will be visitingchennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of thegeniune nadi reader in and around chennai.>  > My Exprience With Nadi,>  >  My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my

prediction have come true and special about my carrier (somethingwhich are unbeleivable till today) > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i havestarted believing

> in Nadi.> Â > Thanks> Senthil> Â > > Â Â Â Â > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>> Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS>

> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM> > > > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.> Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were

> happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and> bad are 100% correct. > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi> at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi

> that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same> thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father> till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw

> 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to> 98% till now. > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are> fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and

> even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find> which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and> have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be

> theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of> all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts> thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that

> one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis> things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things. > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of

> my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder> how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's> existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,

> my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,> don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%> chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a

> happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything. > > Dhinakar R Iyer > > , " jsebastian88 " > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:> >

> > my nadi experience,> > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad

> > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to

> > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met

> > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good> > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrumsaandroragal) ..> > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same

> > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came

true.> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:> > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> > he is fake one.

> > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> > of birth.> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the

> > details. > > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.

> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> > authentic. > > > > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:

> > >> > > Mr Oak .> > >  > > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu parayu "   - > > >  > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > Â > > > arinjale - if you know > > > Â > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi > > > Â > > > Parayu - tell > > > Â

> > > Â > > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will tell you> > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was

> > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> > in the forum .> > > Â > > > Â > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can

> > they go wrong with future ?..> > > Â > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting

> > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever

> > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > Â > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of

> > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> > easily .> > > Â > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > Â > > > Aries

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> > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS

> > : An Excerpt> > > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi astrology " > > <>, " Prasad Bankar " <prasadbankar@ >,

> > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran " > > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh " > > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar " > > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush pande " > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,> > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema " > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel " > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work

> > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do

> > not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> > or work. > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.

> > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have

> > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una

> > Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > > > Â Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:

> > > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> > > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> > An Excerpt> > > " " <@ .

> > com>> > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members,> > > this is fyi.> > >

> > > -> > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > <>> > > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit) > > > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned> some of > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are> quite > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- " Grandfather had

> given > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living nearhis > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned alot of > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about

> > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > > > pregnancy. > > > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a> Nadar on

> > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasichart > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in

> > Tamil > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the> Nadis > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,

> > it is > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.> For the > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading: " > > >

> > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi> format, > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ] > > > > > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded

> > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother'splace; > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> > lady > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus

sign > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,> polite, > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive

> > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will becomehappy > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the5th, he > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> astrology. > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> > strong > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and

> become a > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will liveup to > > > Ketu Dasa.' > > > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue

> > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra. > > > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the> > 8th. > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is

in the > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the2nd and > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> > will > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> agriculture > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and> banking > > > line. He will face much opposition in business. > > > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and

> > Venus > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> > aspected by > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will> become

> > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helpingmankind by > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He

will > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career andwill > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will addto the > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will

> > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for> business. > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the

> > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn> Dasa > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will> secure a > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > vaksiddhi. He > > > will not enter government service but will have association with> kings. > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> > and

> > > Saturn are Yogakarakas > > > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> > 1935 > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

which has > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the> Nadi had > > > predicted a bright future for me. > > > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > possession of > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was> that > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed

> time, > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he> called > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the> > palm > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra

> and the > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of> his in > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost> stunned

> > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enablehim to > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out thefirst > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific> predictions > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who

> would > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days. > > > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

this? How > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding> accuracy? > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long> time > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> answer. I > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. " > > > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> > Benares:

> > > > > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> > the > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> > advanced in

> > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smileand > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my

> birth > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we> did. > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and

slowly > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple> Sanskrit, > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> > was a > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began

with > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > > > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer> with > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the> beginning

> > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> > showing > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> > previous > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> Jyotisha and > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun> is in > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> > yoga

> > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> > for > > > the information of the reader: > > > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

persons. He > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world> famous > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He> will > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of

> many > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> > The > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wifewhose > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue

his > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by theart of > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,> 38, 48 > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52

> > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear> from > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,respect, > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a

pious > > > soul.' > > > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of

> > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> > helps > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become agreat > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > > > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a greatpandit in > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> > but > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve

> > years. > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he wasdefficient in > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a

> > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna> (knower of > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future> births > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous

> Satya > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let himpractice > > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> > humility > > > must go together.

> > > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,...' > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning. > > > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than

> > get a > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about > > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by sages > > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I remarked: " The

> Samhita > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of> thousands of > > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written probably

> about > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select> band of > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in mypossession > > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves carefully and

> > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the> grantha > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to anotherroom > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had

> > been > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of> course we > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next

> night. > > > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future, > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be

> > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he> was > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > possessor of > > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with him. > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. "

> > > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > > > > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but> > most

> > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> > future > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was> revealed to > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the

> > > appropiate time. > > > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they> claim to > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is

> > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not beverified. > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who> dwells a > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they

> > probably > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be> verified > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different> > details

> > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of> only > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the> approach > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> delineations > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope. > > > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the BudhaNadi > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

distinctiveness of > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 whenhe was > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met> him > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

consequence. He > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> > teach. If > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may

> > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become

> > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, > > > friendliness and helpful attitude. > > > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I

> gathered > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general> are > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods oftheir > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster

> for > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a> conclusion. > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom hewas > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He

> felt > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> > means > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities aremuch > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call

black > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctlyfollowed the > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from

> > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra> mantra > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> > had > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past

> > and > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the laststage of > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> knee-deep in > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to washher > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> > was so > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the

> deity > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> > of a > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of thisstory, but > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last yearsof his > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated

> > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > > > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> > R.G. > > > Rao....]

> > > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this> time > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to> others > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which

> will be > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of> astrology but > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > > > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> > lagna > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].This is > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.

The > > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse is as> > follows. > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru thenative > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great

> pain. > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the> guru > > > cursed him. > > > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

contradictions. My > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction thereader > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

> according > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is > > > Satabhisa 3. " > > > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by

> saying > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> > Agastya, > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The totalnumber of > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)

and the > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> > Bhrgu > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> cominations. In > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > > > 21,600 charts.] > > > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

> " Kaliyuga > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899> AD--saw > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves> into

> > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect. > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. " > > > > > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives completed

> > study of > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not> 46th > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.

> When the > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because> the > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> > save

> > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen> to but > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope. > > > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners

> but I > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfectand > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more

> > > advanced astrologers. ] > > > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the> time of > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' " as

> > Mercury > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is> pointing out > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months

and > > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> > 1977. > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and> well.] > > >

> > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th. > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have always> > maintained > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

esteemed > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > > > > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the

> > 2nd. If > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> > the > > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and> say:

> > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rdfrom > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have> died > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one

sign, > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspectbetween > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.> The > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and

the > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that> Pada > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one> navamsa. > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same

as 12 > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death inchildhood.] > > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.The > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn

> enters > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> > Hasta > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the> person > > > dies. "

> > > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao> > was a > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters

> > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been> lost and > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native

will > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age. " > > > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on thetransit of > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which

> the > > > lagna and the planets are situated... > > > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family usingmore > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague andhas not > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of> > children up > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a

> jump > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadiexplains: > > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> > has 48 > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the

> Budha > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ... > > > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,> travels, > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode

of the > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and> children. > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.] > > > > > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the

> > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and arenot > > > relavent. " > > >

> > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.> Sastry an > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.> Here Dr > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > > > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,> when I > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis. " > > >

> > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> > had a > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out

> > jumping > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi> > has > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: " The

> Bhrgu > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the> Markandeya > > > Nadi about which I have previously written. " > > > > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited byB.V. > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological> topics. The > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few

> > > insights on Nadis from the AM. > > > > > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leafbundles > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details

like a > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> > found > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the> Nadis are > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where

> the > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadiastrologer. > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future

> > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> > argue > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, thishappens so. > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and

> Samhitas > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot ofinformation on > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > > > readings given in them... "

> > > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the'speculations' > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own

> > teacher > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into theirears > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason

being > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> > even > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer> the > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing

> > the > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magicsimply > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such> things. > > >

> > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who useksudra > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> > from > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological > > > foundations of the Nadis. > > > > > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for

> this > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, CandaKala > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages> such > > > as Tamil.]

> > > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> > time > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, variesin its > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one

school > > > itself in some cases. > > > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems> appear to > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as

> will > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> > Brahma, > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

Parasarian > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary> vargas > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

perusal is > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they

are: > > > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,emergence of > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All threeshould be > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> > in a > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus> regulated by

> > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be therare > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for

> > the > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> > conception > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into> the

> > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.> Though > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the

> > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> > time > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ] > > > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the

> > past > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' > > > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction; > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is

not yet > > > determined what school it belongs to. > > > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are amethod of > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which

> > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are> various > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits

the > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [bylongitude is > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical

> > > method will be covered in JYO301.]... > > > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI > > > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of

> > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> > the > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines> each > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some

> examples: > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna: > > > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer> Navamsa > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are

> > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to20o; > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is10o to > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

vargas are > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two> halves, > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

found in > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are > > > different synonyms of Durga.] > > > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

signs; in > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in> the > > > dual signs. > > > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi

> > from 0o > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc. > > > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and > > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are

> > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva> Nadi > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> > they > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like

Skanda > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over> the > > > body... " > > > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable

clues > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> > been > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzleto the > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of

> late in > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy

> > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > > > > > HOSHIARPUR: > > > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out offortune

> > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,> parentage, > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past andfuture > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> misfortunes and > > > calamities. > > > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of

> > the > > > Samhita. > > > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish

> > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He> reportedly > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> purchased the > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three relatedfamilies, > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was

> > located in > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were> then > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present

> > > generation. > > > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript> is in > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years

old. > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 yearsago. Mr. > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless> portions of > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.> According to > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the> goddess > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.

But > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> > writings > > > henceforth would be unaffected. > > > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved

> > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful> portions and > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> > who > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " Thelist > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,> S.K.

> > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and> Dharmendra, > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> > Pakistan > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > Bhindranwale > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them. > > > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,

> says > > > family details are obtained from either the client or anothersource. > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on> his > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> > horoscope

> > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If> something > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of> the > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong

> there are > > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma. > > > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> > the

> > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls> employed > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr RamKumar. He > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its

> > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. " We> > earn > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

This is > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the> rest > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the

> > U.S. > > > where they own a department store. > > > > > > _________ > > > > > > by Shyamasundara Das > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

i have seen in all nadi forum there are viewer complaining lot about

nadi astrologers in mumbai and pune

 

, Hariharan Subramanian

<hariharan_sm wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sebastian,

>

> Can you share the names of fake naadi readers in Pune? Thank you,

Sincerly, S. Hariharan

>

>

>

> : jsebastian88: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:11:39

+0000 ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

>

>

>

>

> my nadi experience,. i am from chennai one and half year back i

wentto nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about

nadileaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the

badthings predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a

goodthing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the

helpof few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one

tohappen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met

aholyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in

fewday. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i

metthat holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few

goodpeople and a big man(holyman). in tamil (androrgal matrum

saandroragal).i have also met the people who got their nadi reading

fromn sameplace where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the

leaf hascome true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the

leaf frompoosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also

came true.signs of true nadi astrologer:1) if any nadi reader ask your

date of birth dont go there.2) if nadi reader repeating the same

question again and again thenhe is fake one.the question asked by the

nadi reader should be random .GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS

DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.if any one dont have customers in sundays

dont go there.if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not

give my dateof birth.for me he never asked my name , date of birth

absolutley nothing .except my thumb impression and my initial. thats

it. i got all thedetails. i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi

, kanchipuram.BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS

OUTTHERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY

PUNE.Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he

isauthentic. , aries <waryaries@>

wrote:>> Mr Oak .> > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale

yedu parayu " - > > ooru - place,location ( meaning your exact

location ) > > arinjale - if you know > > Yedu - is another name for

Naadi > > Parayu - tell > > > which translates to " if somebody know

you then they will tell youyour naadi " . You are military man and you

should not be a proponentof this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my

experience Naadi reader was100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune

, who is ranked very highin the forum .> > > if the personal details

match and are 100% past are true , how canthey go wrong with future

?..> > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the

ones inBig cities are fake and cheating people , and you are

conductingmeetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this

Naadi but haveyour ever did any research on this ? other than story of

Naadi leaves > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have

you everchecked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> >

Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on

thewebsite and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness

ofpoor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit

themeasily .> > Thanks for your understanding .> > Aries > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK

<shashikantoak@> wrote:> > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@>>

Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS:

An Excerpt> > Cc:

anant.padmanabhan@, ankush_singh108@, " naadi

astrology " , " Prasad Bankar "

<prasadbankar@>, " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@>, " Thriveni

Chandrasekaran " <venishank@>, " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh

deshmukh " <rishi_nick@>, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@>,

gadwayanand@, " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@>, " harish

kumar " <harish_kumar551@>, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@>,

masihik@,naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@>, " neha

Oak " <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@>, " piyush

pande " <piyushpande@>, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad "

<sandeeprasad@>, " Prof.S.N.Arseculeratne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@,

puru@, " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@, " ana salema " >

<salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel " <drjohn_samuel@>,

santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,sivasamee@, " Son kaushik "

<kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> Sunday, August 3, 2008,

12:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao

are very elaborate.> In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on

these Maharshis' workwith pride and boasted to write a book on these

compandiums. Howeverhe did not do so. He or persons of his nature do

take pride inPredictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality,

somehow donot have the same views when it comes to their professional

earningsor work. > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical

than the hardcorerationalists. May be because of professional

competition or rivelary.> Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You

may have read myexperienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind

boggling Miracle.How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the

customers and havescant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a

vast difference inthe mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of

ancient origine.> Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji

stationed on UnaRoad in Hosiarpur.> > Wing Commander Shashikant Oak.

Pune, India.> > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:> > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> Subject:

FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :An Excerpt>

" " <@

>> Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > > Dear

members,> this is fyi.> > ->

NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> Sat, 2 Aug 2008

11:18:49> litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> <@

. com>> > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his

auto-biography has on occasion mentioned some of > his encounters with

Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are quite > informative we

shall examine what he has to say- " Grandfather had given > me an idea

of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near his > residence

(in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a lot of > money

but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about > Rajeswari's

health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of > pregnancy. > >

Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a Nadar

on > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore. >

Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi chart

> and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue

inTamil > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as

the > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the

Nadis > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so

far,it is > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly

accurate. For the > information of my esteemed readers I give below

the Nadi reading: " > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of

the typical Nadi format, > which is rather laconic and subject to

sudden digressions. ] > > " After describing the planetary positions,

the Nadi proceeded > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and

birth in mother's place; > house facing south; delivery attended by an

old dark woman, anotherlady > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of

ascendent Saturn in Venus sign > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion

lean body, ordinary hieght, polite, > modest, sympathetic,

business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good > longevity, acquires

wide knowledge and will become an impressive > speaker. He will have

frequent travels. Helpful, he will become happy > and surpasses his

grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the 5th, he > becomes a

mathematician and acquires high qualifications in astrology. > His

father's case is different. The native is associated with his >

grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd

isstrong > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education

and become a > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he

will live up to > Ketu Dasa.' > > All of a sudden the tenth house was

taken up by way of a dialogue > between sages Vashishta and

Visvamitra. > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with

the lord of the8th. > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon

and the Moon is in the > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the

10th. Lord of the 2nd and > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will

have no fixed profession. Hewill > do agricultural operations and he

will get some profit from agriculture > and printing. He will enter

government service in education and banking > line. He will face much

opposition in business. > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and

Mercury, lord of the 5th, andVenus > lord of the 4th and 9th, well

placed and Jupiter in the 10thaspected by > the lord of the Lagna

suggests much success in Sastras. He will become > learned in

Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's > profession.

He will study planets, become learned, helping mankind by > knowing

several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He will > publish

books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and will > become

famous, will earn international reputation and will add to the >

family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will >

always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and >

develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for

business. > He will break fresh grounds and will become an

institution. In the > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely

respected. In Saturn Dasa > he will lead an organization having many

subordinates. He will secure a > prominent place and uninterrupted

prosperity. He will havevaksiddhi. He > will not enter government

service but will have association with kings. > He will lead an

independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiterand > Saturn are

Yogakarakas > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future

predictions given in1935 > have turned out to be correct. I feel this

is the only Nadi which has > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he

was happy because the Nadi had > predicted a bright future for me. > >

The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be inpossession

of > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he

> examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was

that > we should come the next day. When we went there at the

appointed time, > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and

noted what he called > an important line on it. On the basis of this

line he read from thepalm > leaves the planetary positions at my birth

giving the nakshatra and the > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born

in. This performance of his in > tracing my horoscope on the basis of

a line on the thumb almost stunned > me. When I asked the Nadar to

explain the method which enable him to > find out the chart, Acharya

said in English, 'Don't ask him such > questions. He will never give

out the secret.' > > The next morning when we went again to meet him

he read out the first > House giving out a general delineation. One of

the specific predictions > made was that within a week my wife would

give birth to a son who would > have madhyayu or medium life. The

first part of the prediction was > fulfilled as a son was born with 10

days. > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

this? How > were they able to reveal the past events with such

astounding accuracy? > Why were they kept secret? These questions

agitated me for a long time > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific

Guru Nadi--gave me the answer. I > shall have much to say about Nadi

granthas in due course. " > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his

visit to a Bhrgu Sastri inBenares: > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to

the astrologer's house in a by-lane inthe > old city. As we entered

the house, the Samhita reader fairlyadvanced in > age and supporting

himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile and > took us to a room

stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a > disorderly fashion.

After preliminary enquiries and recording my birth > details, the

pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we did. > Unlike

the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be > learned.

He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and slowly > read

what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple Sanskrit, >

and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himselfwas

a > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began

with > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon. > >

The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness, >

sorrow, longevity, etc... > > It began with the mentioning of my visit

to the Samhita astrologer with > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of

Acarya's horoscope [the beginning > of the chapter describes how Dr

Raman is embarrassed by his poorshowing > with Acarya's horoscope, the

Acarya mentioned is different fromprevious > Acarya] with the

consoling remark that I had yet to master Jyotisha and > gain divine

grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun is in > Cancer,

Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is theyoga > and

what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith givenfor >

the information of the reader: > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will

unravel the future of persons. He > will go into the subtleties of the

Sastra. He will become world famous > by his writings and will be

engaged in planetary calculations. He will > be bold dignified and a

man of character. He will be the author of many > books. He is born in

Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'The > Samhita went on:

'His mother died in the second year. His wife whose > name commences

with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue his > studies till

he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the art of >

grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35, 38, 48

> and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52 >

difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear from

> illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel, respect,

> felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a

pious > soul.' > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting

information on > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by

the likes of > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about

Satyacarya so thishelps > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue

of how to become a great > astrologer, humility.] > > He took out

another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great pandit in > astrology.

He had studied everything that was available in astrologybut > still

he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelveyears. >

Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya >

explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was defficient in

> something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a >

Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna (knower

of > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future

births > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his

famous Satya > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna.

Let him practice > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that

knowledge andhumility > must go together. > > [Lord Krsna defines the

neccessary components of knowledge in Gita > 13.8-12, of which the

first two are 'Humility and pridelessness, ...' > something we could

all cultivate more of.] > > The sun was about to set when the pandit

abruptly stopped reading > further. He wanted us to meet him the next

morning. > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading

rather thanget a > reading myself. To the several questions put to the

pandit about > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written

by sages > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I

remarked: " The Samhita > in your hands appears to have been written on

some sort of > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age

of thousands of > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were

written probably about > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time

to time by a select band of > disciples who knew the secrets of

Samhitas. The one in my possession > could be about 300 years old. " I

examined the leaves carefully and > thought that they could not be

earlier than 100 years. But the grantha > characters could not be

deciphered by me. He took us to another room > where a number of old

notebooks, said to be different samhitas, hadbeen > kept in a

ramshakle wooden cabinet. > > Thanking him for the reading, we took

leave of the Pandit. Of course we > could not meet him again as I had

to leave for Calcutta the next night. > > The forcasts, which ended

abruptly, did not say anything about > longevity, children etc. But

whatever it said about the future, > including the name and Lagna of

my wife, could be considered to be > fairly accurate differing by a

year or two in the matter of foreign > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25

Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he was > introduced by a distant

relative to one Srinivasacarya, thepossessor of > the Budha Nadi. He

said, " I had a number of meetings with him. > Srinivasacarya claimed

infallibility for his Nadi but I had > reservations. Budha Nadi had a

peculiar method of interpretation. " > > He continues this discussion

of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27. > > " Nadi astrology is a unique

system of horoscopic interpretation butmost > Nadigranthas available

on the market are unreliable so far as thefuture > predictions are

concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was revealed to > me by a Nadi

itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the > appropiate

time. > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology

they claim to > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can

not be verified. > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or

pyschic etc.) who dwells a > lot on past lives should be avoided. The

reason being that theyprobably > know little of astrology and focus on

something that cannot be verified > thus hiding their ignorance.] The

same individual gets differentdetails > from different Nadis, so that

at best they could be treated as of only > academic interest. To

enable my readers to have an idea of the approach > of the various

Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the delineations > given by

them in respect to my own horoscope. > > According to its owner

Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha Nadi > which is the subject

matter of this chapter, has a distinctiveness of > its own. My contact

with him continued till about 1958-59 when he was > leading a

miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met him > in

1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no consequence. He >

even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's >

experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons toteach.

If > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he

may > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth

and > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from

the > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become >

completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility, >

friendliness and helpful attitude. > > From the series of meetings I

had with him from 1936 onwards I gathered > the following information

about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general are > in distress mentally

and financially in the closing periods of their > lives. One should

never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster for > him and his

family. He never revealed why he came to such a conclusion. > He had

married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he was > then

living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He felt >

that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras

[Thismeans > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These

entities are much > below the level of devatas, it is basically what

we would call black > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were

correctly followed the > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of

the Nadi! He cited the > example of an astrologer named Narayana

Sastry who hailed from > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing

a certain kshudra mantra > to get 'control' over the deity associated

with Sani [saturn]. If hehad > succeeded in this, he would have been

able to correctly say the pastand > foretell the future accurately

upto one year from the date of > consultation, just on the basis of a

Rasi chart. In the last stage of > his penance, when Sastry was

reciting the mantra, standing knee-deep in > the village tank, he saw

a beutiful young woman who came to wash her > clothes there. Her

charming looks disturbed him and his attentionwas so > diverted that

he could no longer concentrate on the image of the deity > in his

mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the useof a > leg

due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of >

prophecy for which had worked so hard. > > Of course, I cannot

vouchsafe for the authenticity of this story, but > could not also

disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years of his > life would

not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated > [kshudra]

devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader. > >

[*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

discipleR.G. > Rao....] > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a

typical Nadi reading but this time > from the Budha Nadi, since the

introductory format is similar to others > I will skip it and go to

more interesting parts. Some of which will be > incomprehensible

unless you are a more advance student of astrology but > I will

include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to > reduce

the volume of material.] > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa

Yoga because the lord oflagna > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa

[debilitated navamsa!]. This is > due to a sapa (curse) in the family

for the last 17 generations. The > curse will disappear at age 47. "

The reason for the curse is asfollows. > Seventeen generation ago

while a young student of his guru the native > accidently injured the

head of the guru's wife causing her great pain. > Even though the wife

interceded on behalf of the student still the guru > cursed him. > > I

found that the deliniation was marked by several contradictions. My >

lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a >

mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the reader

> picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

according > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as

revised' is > Satabhisa 3. " > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went

on a different tangent by saying > " that this grantha was written

2400 years ago by a disciple ofAgastya, > 48th in succession, on the

basis of Tattvasastra. The total number of > tatvas is 108. The 46th

refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?) and the > 96th to Vedanta. Budha

Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while > Varahamihira wrote his book

without a knowledge of the Tattvas. InBhrgu > Samhita 2646 horoscopes

are given with permutations and cominations. In > Budha Nadi for each

Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of > 21,600 charts.] > >

Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

" Kaliyuga > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari,

1899 AD--saw > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided

themselves into > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to

one such sect. > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. " > > The Nadi continued:

" The native in his previous lives completedstudy of > the 96

Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was > obstruction.

In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not 46th > and 47th

because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1. When the > 48th

was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because the >

serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could

notsave > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to

listen to but > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the

horoscope. > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of

beginners but I > have included it for the sake of completeness and

also to give the > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They

are not perfect and > mistakes are noted. They also give some

interesting rules for more > advanced astrologers. ] > > Now begins

what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the time of > my birth

as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' " asMercury > is

in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is pointing out >

the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with >

Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months and >

16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by March

24,1977. > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive

and well.] > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is

in the 8th. > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have

alwaysmaintained > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while

some of my esteemed > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see

that the Nadi says to > consider aspects in Navamsa!] > > " Jupiter

lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the2nd. If > he is

in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is inthe >

95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and

say: > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The

63rd from > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he

would have died > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th

are in one sign, > the former behind the latter and as there is no

mutual aspect between > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus

or full term of life. The > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from

Saturn's position and the > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta.

[We should explain that Pada > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which

in turn is equal to one navamsa. > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 =

108 padas, this is the same as 12 > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas.

Balarishta means death in childhood.] > " Venus is lord of the 4th he

is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada. The > 83rd from this is Vainasika.

Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn enters > Rohini 2, the mother dies.

The natives point of death (Ayus) is inHasta > 2. When Maraka [death

inflicting] planets trasit this point the person > dies. " > > Then

there are several statements followed by a reference to > grandfather'

s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Raowas a > great

astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters >

Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native >

completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been lost

and > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native

will > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of

age. " > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

transit of > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas

in which the > lagna and the planets are situated... > > [The text

then proceeds with further reading about family using more > prosiac

principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:] > > The general

description of the future year-wise was vague and has not > proved

quite correct. But the delineation about the birth ofchildren up > to

the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a jump >

giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi explains: >

" There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. Hehas

48 > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the

Budha > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ... > >

[The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame, travels,

> lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode of

the > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

children. > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi

was.] > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart],

the > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the

> children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are not

> relavent. " > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with

V.S.N. Sastry an > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a

Bhrgu Nadi. Here Dr > Raman makes an interesting observation about

himself. > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the

sixties, when I > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after

the Nadis. " > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated

so Dr Ramanhad a > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is

like. I shall not > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style

though with outjumping > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others.

He notes that this Nadihas > also failed in predicting his death as he

is still alive today well > after the period of predicted death. He

concludes by saying: " The Bhrgu > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered

in accuracy next to the Markandeya > Nadi about which I have

previously written. " > > OTHER OPINIONS > > In the pages of

Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by B.V. > Raman, there

are monthly discussion on various astrological topics. The > subject

of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few > insights

on Nadis from the AM. > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that

the old palm leaf bundles > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound

even minute details like a > person's name, parent's name,...In this

type of delineation, Nadi > Granthas follow a unique predictive system

of their own, not to befound > in the traditional and scientific

system of astrology. > > This has led some to speculation amongst

astrologers that the Nadis are > based on the works of some spirits or

Ksudra Devetas which, by some > unknown technique, read the thoughts

or minds of the native, where the > past and present upto the moment

of consultation have been already > recorded and they pass it on by

communication to the Nadi astrologer. > Further wieght is added to

this theory by the fact that the future > predictions in Nadis rarely

prove successful and these speculatorsargue > that since the future is

unknown even to the native, this happens so. > [sic, the spirit thus

can't read his future.] These Nadis and Samhitas > have a charm and

fascination over people. But a lot of information on > the techniques

of prediction can be had from a study of some of the > readings given

in them... " > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

'speculations' > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise

he would not be > interested in astrological information gleaned from

them. My ownteacher > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused

of having a karna > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the

secrets into their ears > about the past, present and future of an

individual. The reason being > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding

reputation as an astrologer,even > able to know in advance what the

client would ask, and then answer the > question before the question

was asked. Ignorant people, not knowingthe > principles of astrology

might think it was due to black magic simply > because they were

unable to conceive of how he could know such things. > > This of

course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use ksudra > devetas

to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seenfrom > B.V.

Raman's testimony. > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few

of the astrological > foundations of the Nadis. > > " Let us be clear

in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for this > inquiry are

those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda Kala > Nadi and

Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages such > as

Tamil.] > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a

small unit oftime > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which,

however, varies in its > measure with different schools and among the

Nadi-amsas in one school > itself in some cases. > > Secondly the

prefixes in the names of the schools or systems appear to > give a

clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as will > be

presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a >

samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means

Siva,Brahma, > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses

the Parasarian > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses

five planetary vargas > [of the 16] for their parameters.. . > > The

first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its perusal is >

that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and >

(iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its >

basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they are: >

> 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second, emergence

of > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three should

be > taken into account for prediction.' > > [The first is called

pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to knowin a > society where

sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus regulated by >

purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of >

licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the rare

> person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible

forthe > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time

ofconception > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by

ejaculation into the > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal

epoch is not done. Though > it is easy to calculate when the head

first emerges, still for all > practical purposes it is the third

criterion bhupatana touching the > earth, i.e. seperation from the

mothers body, which is taken as thetime > of birth by almost all

astrologers. ] > > 'One should predict the future according to

Vasishta (Samhita); thepast > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.' >

> Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction;

> Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is not

yet > determined what school it belongs to. > > [samayas-also called

Samanyas in my astrology program-are a method of > determining the

mood of the planets by taking into account which > nakshatra a planet

is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are various > formulas to

calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.] > > 'One suffers

physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits the > longitudes

of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he > afflicts those

Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by longitude is > meant exact

degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical > method will

be covered in JYO301.]... > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA

NADI > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic

principles of > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the

parameters employed inthe > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately

Vasishtha invariably defines each > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the

prediction. Let us take some examples: > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries

Lagna: > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana,

Cancer Navamsa > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree

wise they are > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to

15o; 10o to 20o; > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor

among them is 10o to > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa

Nadi and five vargas are > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa

is considered in two halves, > the first and second, where horoscopes

with different planetary > configurations are delineated. > > In a

similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that >

instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the >

shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are found in

> Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are

> different synonyms of Durga.] > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in

the given order in movable signs; in > reverse order in the fixed

signs signs and from the 76th onward in the > dual signs. > > The

first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavifrom 0o >

12' to 0o 24', etc. > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is

divided in two halves and > different horoscopes with different

planetary configurations are > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names

of the Nadi-amsas in Druva Nadi > have a flavour of the Parasariyan

genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadithey > are typically Keraliyan as can

be seen from paralle works like Skanda > Sarirekha where similar names

are given to rekhas (lines) all over the > body... " > > In this

article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable clues > about

the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though havingbeen >

extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle to the

> astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of late

in > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation

of > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes. > > Before leaving the Nadis I

want to introduce a little controversy > concerning Bhrghu Samita

Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a > article by Surinder

Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It > appeared on January

13, 1994. > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE. > > HOSHIARPUR: > > About

half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of fortune >

telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu >

Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human >

horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born. > > The soiled

pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name, parentage, > and the

number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and future > lives.

Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall misfortunes and >

calamities. > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more

authentic version ofthe > Samhita. > > One clan comprises two

grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram > Kumar--and two daughters-in-

law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish > Janardan--of the late Pandit

Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He reportedly > found some leaves of the

manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum > district, now in Pakistan.

Aware of its immense value, he purchased the > entire manuscript,

weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg). > > The other clan,

comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related families, > dismiss this

story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra waslocated in > Nepal

during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were then >

sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious >

almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present >

generation. > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the

manuscript is in > different handwritings and the paper is only a few

hundred years old. > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it

5,000 years ago. Mr. > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over

the useless portions of > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj. > > He

explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable. According to >

myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the

goddess > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical

value. But > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage

that hiswritings > henceforth would be unaffected. > > But Bhrgu's

work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved > Prakash says

his ancestors identified some of the doubtful portions and > passed it

on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clientswho >

complain that the predictions are not true. > > Asked who their

clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " The list > comprises

national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, S.K. > Patil

and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and Dharmendra, >

Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan

ofPakistan > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say

thatBhindranwale > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from

them. > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab

University, says > family details are obtained from either the client

or another source. > The secret of their success is that they have a

huge collection of > horoscopes based on different celestial

configurations. > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not

given a reading on his > first visit. Before his next appointment they

try and locate ahoroscope > from their collections most in keeping

with what is known. If something > suitable is not available, the plea

taken is that less than 20% of the > entire volume is now extant. And

if the predictions are wrong there are > always the " apocryphal

portions, " says Dr. Sharma. > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have

not been permitted to examinethe > the manuscript. Only family members

can have access. The girls employed > to trace the horoscopes only

handle the index, says Mr Ram Kumar. He > refused to show this

correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its > picture. All he

displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes. > > But there is no

gainsaying that these families have flourished. " Weearn > a lot,

though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan. This is > true

of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it. > > There

is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the rest > add

to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in theU.S. >

where they own a department store. > > _________ > > by Shyamasundara

Das > >

[Guest guest]

remember if there is no leaf for you. they will sent you back. you

you have to try your luck some other day

 

, " rdhinakar4477 "

<dhinakarrajaram wrote:

>

> Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

> Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near Pachaiappa

> College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

> 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

> south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.

> Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 per

> dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least

> 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to be

> spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

>

> From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapa

> college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: Take

> Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road take

> right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

>

> Dhinakar

>

> , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >  

> > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya

> nadi , kanchipuram.

> >

> >  

> > cheers..!!

> > rajat

> >

> > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:

> >

> > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>

> > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

> ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >  

> >     I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting

> chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

> of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the

> geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

> >  

> > My Exprience With Nadi,

> >  

> >   My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my

> prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something

> which are unbeleivable till today) 

> > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

> started believing

> > in Nadi.

> >  

> > Thanks

> > Senthil

> >  

> >

> >     

> >

> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> >

> > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were

> > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and

> > bad are 100% correct.

> >

> > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi

> > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi

> > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same

> > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father

> > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw

> > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to

> > 98% till now.

> >

> > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are

> > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and

> > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find

> > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and

> > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be

> > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of

> > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts

> > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that

> > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis

> > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

> >

> > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of

> > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder

> > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,

> > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,

> > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%

> > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a

> > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

> >

> > Dhinakar R Iyer

> >

> > , " jsebastian88 "

> > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > my nadi experience,

> > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical

about nadi

> > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad

> > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good

> > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the

help

> > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to

> > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a

> > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few

> > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met

> > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good

> > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

> saandroragal) ..

> > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same

> > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has

> > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf

from

> > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came

> true.

> > >

> > > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then

> > > he is fake one.

> > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND

SATURDAYS.

> > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date

> > > of birth.

> > >

> > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .

> > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the

> > > details.

> > >

> > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> > >

> > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.

> > >

> > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is

> > > authentic.

> > >

> > >

> > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr Oak .

> > > >  

> > > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu parayu

"    -

> > > >  

> > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > >  

> > > > arinjale - if you know

> > > >  

> > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > > >  

> > > > Parayu - tell

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will tell you

> > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a

proponent

> > > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi

reader was

> > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high

> > > in the forum .

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can

> > > they go wrong with future ?..

> > > >  

> > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in

> > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting

> > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi

but have

> > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi

leaves

> > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever

> > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > > >  

> > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the

> > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of

> > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them

> > > easily .

> > > >  

> > > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > > >  

> > > > Aries

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS

> > > : An Excerpt

> > > >

> > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi astrology "

> > > <>, " Prasad Bankar "

<prasadbankar@ >,

> > > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> > > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> > > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar "

> > > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush pande "

> > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema "

> > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work

> > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However

> > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do

> > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings

> > > or work.

> > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore

> > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or

rivelary.

> > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling

Miracle.

> > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have

> > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast

difference in

> > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.

> > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una

> > > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > > >

> > > >  Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :

> > > An Excerpt

> > > > " " <@

.

> > > com>

> > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > this is fyi.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > > <>

> > > >

> > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > > >

> > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > >

> > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned

> > some of

> > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are

> > quite

> > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say- " Grandfather had

> > given

> > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near

> his

> > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a

> lot of

> > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about

> > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of

> > > > pregnancy.

> > > >

> > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a

> > Nadar on

> > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore.

> > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi

> chart

> > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in

> > > Tamil

> > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the

> > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the

> > Nadis

> > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,

> > > it is

> > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.

> > For the

> > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi

reading: "

> > > >

> > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi

> > format,

> > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > > >

> > > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded

> > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's

> place;

> > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman,

another

> > > lady

> > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus

> sign

> > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,

> > polite,

> > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has

good

> > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive

> > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become

> happy

> > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the

> 5th, he

> > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> > astrology.

> > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his

> > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is

> > > strong

> > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and

> > become a

> > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live

> up to

> > > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > > >

> > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue

> > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > > >

> > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord

of the

> > > 8th.

> > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is

> in the

> > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the

> 2nd and

> > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed

profession. He

> > > will

> > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> > agriculture

> > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and

> > banking

> > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > > >

> > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and

> > > Venus

> > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > > aspected by

> > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will

> > become

> > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to

granfather's

> > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

> mankind by

> > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He

> will

> > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and

> will

> > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add

> to the

> > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but

will

> > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit

books and

> > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for

> > business.

> > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In

the

> > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn

> > Dasa

> > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will

> > secure a

> > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > > vaksiddhi. He

> > > > will not enter government service but will have association with

> > kings.

> > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination.

Jupiter

> > > and

> > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > > >

> > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions

given in

> > > 1935

> > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

> which has

> > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the

> > Nadi had

> > > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > > >

> > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > > possession of

> > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he

> > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was

> > that

> > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed

> > time,

> > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he

> > called

> > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read

from the

> > > palm

> > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra

> > and the

> > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of

> > his in

> > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost

> > stunned

> > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable

> him to

> > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such

> > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > >

> > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the

> first

> > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> > predictions

> > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who

> > would

> > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction

was

> > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > > >

> > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

> this? How

> > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding

> > accuracy?

> > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long

> > time

> > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> > answer. I

> > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> > > >

> > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in

> > > Benares:

> > > >

> > > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a

by-lane in

> > > the

> > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > > advanced in

> > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile

> and

> > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a

> > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my

> > birth

> > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we

> > did.

> > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be

> > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and

> slowly

> > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple

> > Sanskrit,

> > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself

> > > was a

> > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began

> with

> > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > > >

> > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness,

> > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > >

> > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer

> > with

> > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the

> > beginning

> > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor

> > > showing

> > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from

> > > previous

> > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> > Jyotisha and

> > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun

> > is in

> > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what

is the

> > > yoga

> > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith

given

> > > for

> > > > the information of the reader:

> > > >

> > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

> persons. He

> > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world

> > famous

> > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He

> > will

> > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of

> > many

> > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name

Venkata.'

> > > The

> > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife

> whose

> > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue

> his

> > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the

> art of

> > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,

> > 38, 48

> > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52

> > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear

> > from

> > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

> respect,

> > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a

> pious

> > > > soul.'

> > > >

> > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on

> > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the

likes of

> > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this

> > > helps

> > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a

> great

> > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > >

> > > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great

> pandit in

> > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in

astrology

> > > but

> > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve

> > > years.

> > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon.

Satyacharya

> > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

> defficient in

> > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a

> > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> > (knower of

> > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future

> > births

> > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous

> > Satya

> > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

> practice

> > > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and

> > > humility

> > > > must go together.

> > > >

> > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in

Gita

> > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,

> ...'

> > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > >

> > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading

> > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > > >

> > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than

> > > get a

> > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about

> > > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by sages

> > > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I remarked: " The

> > Samhita

> > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> > thousands of

> > > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written probably

> > about

> > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select

> > band of

> > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

> possession

> > > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves carefully

and

> > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the

> > grantha

> > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another

> room

> > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different

samhitas, had

> > > been

> > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of

> > course we

> > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next

> > night.

> > > >

> > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about

> > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future,

> > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered

to be

> > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of

foreign

> > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he

> > was

> > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > > possessor of

> > > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with him.

> > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of

interpretation. "

> > > >

> > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27.

> > > >

> > > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic

interpretation but

> > > most

> > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the

> > > future

> > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> > revealed to

> > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this

at the

> > > > appropiate time.

> > > >

> > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they

> > claim to

> > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is

> > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

> verified.

> > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who

> > dwells a

> > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they

> > > probably

> > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be

> > verified

> > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different

> > > details

> > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of

> > only

> > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the

> > approach

> > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> > delineations

> > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha

> Nadi

> > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

> distinctiveness of

> > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when

> he was

> > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met

> > him

> > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

> consequence. He

> > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's

> > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to

> > > teach. If

> > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss

he may

> > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and

> > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing

from the

> > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become

> > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility,

> > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > > >

> > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I

> > gathered

> > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general

> > are

> > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of

> their

> > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster

> > for

> > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> > conclusion.

> > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he

> was

> > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He

> > felt

> > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This

> > > means

> > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are

> much

> > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call

> black

> > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

> followed the

> > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited

the

> > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from

> > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra

> > mantra

> > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn].

If he

> > > had

> > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say

the past

> > > and

> > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

> stage of

> > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> > knee-deep in

> > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash

> her

> > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention

> > > was so

> > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the

> > deity

> > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and

the use

> > > of a

> > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of

> > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

> story, but

> > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years

> of his

> > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the

propitiated

> > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the

reader.

> > > >

> > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

disciple

> > > R.G.

> > > > Rao....]

> > > >

> > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this

> > time

> > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to

> > others

> > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which

> > will be

> > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> > astrology but

> > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall

paraphrase to

> > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > >

> > > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of

> > > lagna

> > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

> This is

> > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.

> The

> > > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse is as

> > > follows.

> > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the

> native

> > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great

> > pain.

> > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the

> > guru

> > > > cursed him.

> > > >

> > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

> contradictions. My

> > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as

Kumbha, a

> > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the

> reader

> > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

> > according

> > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is

> > > > Satabhisa 3. "

> > > >

> > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by

> > saying

> > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of

> > > Agastya,

> > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

> number of

> > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)

> and the

> > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while

> > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In

> > > Bhrgu

> > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> > cominations. In

> > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a

total of

> > > > 21,600 charts.]

> > > >

> > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

> > " Kaliyuga

> > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899

> > AD--saw

> > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves

> > into

> > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect.

> > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> > > >

> > > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives completed

> > > study of

> > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was

> > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not

> > 46th

> > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.

> > When the

> > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because

> > the

> > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya

could not

> > > save

> > > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen

> > to but

> > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners

> > but I

> > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give

the

> > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect

> and

> > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for

more

> > > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > > >

> > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the

> > time of

> > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' " as

> > > Mercury

> > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> > pointing out

> > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops

with

> > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months

> and

> > > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,

> > > 1977.

> > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and

> > well.]

> > > >

> > > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th.

> > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have always

> > > maintained

> > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

> esteemed

> > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi

says to

> > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > > >

> > > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the

> > > 2nd. If

> > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna

is in

> > > the

> > > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and

> > say:

> > > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd

> from

> > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have

> > died

> > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one

> sign,

> > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect

> between

> > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.

> > The

> > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and

> the

> > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that

> > Pada

> > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one

> > navamsa.

> > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same

> as 12

> > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

> childhood.]

> > > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.

> The

> > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn

> > enters

> > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in

> > > Hasta

> > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the

> > person

> > > > dies. "

> > > >

> > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao

> > > was a

> > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters

> > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native

> > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been

> > lost and

> > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native

> will

> > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age. "

> > > >

> > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

> transit of

> > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which

> > the

> > > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > > >

> > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using

> more

> > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > >

> > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and

> has not

> > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > > children up

> > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a

> > jump

> > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

> explains:

> > > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He

> > > has 48

> > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the

> > Budha

> > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> > > >

> > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,

> > travels,

> > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode

> of the

> > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> > children.

> > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.]

> > > >

> > > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the

> > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the

> > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are

> not

> > > > relavent. "

> > > >

> > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> > Sastry an

> > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.

> > Here Dr

> > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > >

> > > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,

> > when I

> > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis. "

> > > >

> > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman

> > > had a

> > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not

> > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out

> > > jumping

> > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that

this Nadi

> > > has

> > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today

well

> > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: " The

> > Bhrgu

> > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> > Markandeya

> > > > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> > > >

> > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > >

> > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by

> B.V.

> > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> > topics. The

> > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few

> > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > > >

> > > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

> bundles

> > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details

> like a

> > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi

> > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be

> > > found

> > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the

> > Nadis are

> > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by

some

> > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where

> > the

> > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been

already

> > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

> astrologer.

> > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the

future

> > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators

> > > argue

> > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

> happens so.

> > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and

> > Samhitas

> > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

> information on

> > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some

of the

> > > > readings given in them... "

> > > >

> > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

> 'speculations'

> > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would

not be

> > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own

> > > teacher

> > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a

karna

> > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their

> ears

> > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason

> being

> > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an

astrologer,

> > > even

> > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer

> > the

> > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not

knowing

> > > the

> > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic

> simply

> > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such

> > things.

> > > >

> > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use

> ksudra

> > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have

seen

> > > from

> > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > >

> > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the

astrological

> > > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > > >

> > > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for

> > this

> > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda

> Kala

> > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages

> > such

> > > > as Tamil.]

> > > >

> > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small

unit of

> > > time

> > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies

> in its

> > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one

> school

> > > > itself in some cases.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> > appear to

> > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as

> > will

> > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a

> > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,

> > > Brahma,

> > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

> Parasarian

> > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary

> > vargas

> > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > > >

> > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

> perusal is

> > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific;

(ii)systematic and

> > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some

of its

> > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they

> are:

> > > >

> > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

> emergence of

> > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

> should be

> > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > >

> > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to

know

> > > in a

> > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> > regulated by

> > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this

age of

> > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the

> rare

> > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be

responsible for

> > > the

> > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of

> > > conception

> > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into

> > the

> > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.

> > Though

> > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for

all

> > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana

touching the

> > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken

as the

> > > time

> > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > > >

> > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta

(Samhita); the

> > > past

> > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > > >

> > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for

prediction;

> > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is

> not yet

> > > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > > >

> > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

> method of

> > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which

> > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are

> > various

> > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > > >

> > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits

> the

> > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he

> > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

> longitude is

> > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an

analytical

> > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > > >

> > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > > >

> > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of

> > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters

employed in

> > > the

> > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines

> > each

> > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some

> > examples:

> > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > > >

> > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer

> > Navamsa

> > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they

are

> > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to

> 20o;

> > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is

> 10o to

> > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

> vargas are

> > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two

> > halves,

> > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary

> > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > >

> > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except

that

> > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the

> > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

> found in

> > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of

which are

> > > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > > >

> > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

> signs; in

> > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in

> > the

> > > > dual signs.

> > > >

> > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi

> > > from 0o

> > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > > >

> > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two

halves and

> > > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are

> > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva

> > Nadi

> > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala

Nadi

> > > they

> > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like

> Skanda

> > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over

> > the

> > > > body... "

> > > >

> > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable

> clues

> > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though

having

> > > been

> > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle

> to the

> > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of

> > late in

> > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a

translation of

> > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > > >

> > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy

> > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following

is a

> > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It

> > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > >

> > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > > >

> > > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > > >

> > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

> fortune

> > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu

> > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human

> > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > >

> > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> > parentage,

> > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and

> future

> > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> > misfortunes and

> > > > calamities.

> > > >

> > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are

> > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic

version of

> > > the

> > > > Samhita.

> > > >

> > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram

> > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs

Satish

> > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> > reportedly

> > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in

Jhelum

> > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> > purchased the

> > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > > >

> > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

> families,

> > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was

> > > located in

> > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were

> > then

> > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the

precious

> > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present

> > > > generation.

> > > >

> > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript

> > is in

> > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years

> old.

> > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

> ago. Mr.

> > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> > portions of

> > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > >

> > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> > According to

> > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the

> > goddess

> > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.

> But

> > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his

> > > writings

> > > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > > >

> > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved

> > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> > portions and

> > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify

clients

> > > who

> > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > >

> > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " The

> list

> > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,

> > S.K.

> > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> > Dharmendra,

> > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of

> > > Pakistan

> > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > > Bhindranwale

> > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > > >

> > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai

> > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,

> > says

> > > > family details are obtained from either the client or another

> source.

> > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge

collection of

> > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > >

> > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on

> > his

> > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a

> > > horoscope

> > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If

> > something

> > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of

> > the

> > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong

> > there are

> > > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> > > >

> > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to

examine

> > > the

> > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls

> > employed

> > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

> Kumar. He

> > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even

its

> > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes.

> > > >

> > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have

flourished. " We

> > > earn

> > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

> This is

> > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it.

> > > >

> > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the

> > rest

> > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides

in the

> > > U.S.

> > > > where they own a department store.

> > > >

> > > > _________

> > > >

> > > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

for god sake dont give your time of birth and date of birth. just give

your thumb impression enough.

 

 

 

, " Harshit Bapna " <hrbapna

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi reader

before.

> A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the following :

> Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.

>

> I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this

reader.

> They have given me a pamplet which says:

>

> Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram

temple in

> Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized thier

value

> and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the nadi

> leaves since then.

> Nadi Reader: *Sri Sivakumar Naynar*

> *

> Can anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi

reader in

> Bangalore?*

>

>

> Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam

> #312

> 8th Cross, 35th Main, 6th Phase

> J.P. Nagar

> Bangalore - 560078

> Landmark: Behind Trishul School

> Phone: 080-26656000, 26652400

> Mobile: Get Mobile

>

Number<http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/bangalore/parties-special-occasions-weddin\

g/astrologers/j-p-nagar/agastya-sri-kousika-nadi-jothidam.htm#>

>

> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, wilson ko <wengkoko wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > dhinakarrajaram

> > Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000

> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

> > Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near Pachaiappa

> > College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

> > 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

> > south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.

> > Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 per

> > dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least

> > 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to be

> > spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

> >

> > From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapa

> > college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: Take

> > Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road take

> > right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

> >

> > Dhinakar

> >

> > , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > Â

> > > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya

> > nadi , kanchipuram.

> > >

> > > Â

> > > cheers..!!

> > > rajat

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>

> > > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

> > ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > Â

> > > Â Â Â Â I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting

> > chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

> > of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the

> > geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

> > > Â

> > > My Exprience With Nadi,

> > > Â

> > > Â My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my

> > prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something

> > which are unbeleivable till today)Â

> > > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

> > started believing

> > > in Nadi.

> > > Â

> > > Thanks

> > > Senthil

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Â Â Â Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

wrote:

> > >

> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> > > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things

were

> > > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both

good and

> > > bad are 100% correct.

> > >

> > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his

naadi

> > > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his

naadi

> > > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same

> > > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father

> > > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw

> > > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to

> > > 98% till now.

> > >

> > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree

there are

> > > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and

> > > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find

> > > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical and

> > > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be

> > > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after

analysis of

> > > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts

> > > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so

that

> > > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis

> > > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

> > >

> > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of

> > > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder

> > > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> > > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my

horoscopes,

> > > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,

> > > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%

> > > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a

> > > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

> > >

> > > Dhinakar R Iyer

> > >

> > > , " jsebastian88 "

> > > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > my nadi experience,

> > > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical

about nadi

> > > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all

the bad

> > > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a

good

> > > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with

the help

> > > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to

> > > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a

> > > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few

> > > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after

i met

> > > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good

> > > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

> > saandroragal) ..

> > > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same

> > > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the

leaf has

> > > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the

leaf from

> > > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came

> > true.

> > > >

> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then

> > > > he is fake one.

> > > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND

SATURDAYS.

> > > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my

date

> > > > of birth.

> > > >

> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .

> > > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the

> > > > details.

> > > >

> > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> > > >

> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.

> > > >

> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is

> > > > authentic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Oak .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu parayu

" Â Â -

> > > > > Â

> > > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > > > Â

> > > > > arinjale - if you know

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Parayu - tell

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will

tell you

> > > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a

proponent

> > > > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi

reader was

> > > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked

very high

> > > > in the forum .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true ,

how can

> > > > they go wrong with future ?..

> > > > > Â

> > > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the

ones in

> > > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting

> > > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi

but have

> > > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi

leaves

> > > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever

> > > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred

on the

> > > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of

> > > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit

them

> > > > easily .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS

> > > > : An Excerpt

> > > > >

> > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi astrology "

> > > > <>, " Prasad Bankar "

<prasadbankar@ >,

> > > > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> > > > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> > > > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > > > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar "

> > > > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > > > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > > > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush pande "

> > > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > > > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > > > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema "

> > > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> > > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > > > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these

Maharshis' work

> > > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums.

However

> > > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality,

somehow do

> > > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional

earnings

> > > > or work.

> > > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the

hardcore

> > > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or

rivelary.

> > > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling

Miracle.

> > > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers

and have

> > > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast

difference in

> > > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient

origine.

> > > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed

on Una

> > > > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > > > >

> > > > > Â Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS :

> > > > An Excerpt

> > > > > " " <@

.

> > > > com>

> > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > this is fyi.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > > > <>

> > > > >

> > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > > > >

> > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned

> > > some of

> > > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are

> > > quite

> > > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say-

" Grandfather had

> > > given

> > > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near

> > his

> > > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a

> > lot of

> > > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about

> > > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of

> > > > > pregnancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a

> > > Nadar on

> > > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore.

> > > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi

> > chart

> > > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a

dialogue in

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the

> > > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the

> > > Nadis

> > > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined

so far,

> > > > it is

> > > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.

> > > For the

> > > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi

reading: "

> > > > >

> > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi

> > > format,

> > > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded

> > > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's

> > place;

> > > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman,

another

> > > > lady

> > > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus

> > sign

> > > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,

> > > polite,

> > > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam,

has good

> > > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive

> > > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become

> > happy

> > > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the

> > 5th, he

> > > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> > > astrology.

> > > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated

with his

> > > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the

2nd is

> > > > strong

> > > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and

> > > become a

> > > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live

> > up to

> > > > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > > > >

> > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a

dialogue

> > > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord

of the

> > > > 8th.

> > > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is

> > in the

> > > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the

> > 2nd and

> > > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed

profession. He

> > > > will

> > > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> > > agriculture

> > > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and

> > > banking

> > > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the

5th, and

> > > > Venus

> > > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will

> > > become

> > > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to

granfather's

> > > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

> > mankind by

> > > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He

> > will

> > > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and

> > will

> > > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add

> > to the

> > > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals

but will

> > > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit

books and

> > > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for

> > > business.

> > > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution.

In the

> > > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In

Saturn

> > > Dasa

> > > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will

> > > secure a

> > > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > > > vaksiddhi. He

> > > > > will not enter government service but will have association with

> > > kings.

> > > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination.

Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions

given in

> > > > 1935

> > > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

> > which has

> > > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the

> > > Nadi had

> > > > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > > > possession of

> > > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi

owner he

> > > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the

Nadi was

> > > that

> > > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed

> > > time,

> > > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he

> > > called

> > > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read

from the

> > > > palm

> > > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra

> > > and the

> > > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of

> > > his in

> > > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost

> > > stunned

> > > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable

> > him to

> > > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such

> > > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > > >

> > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the

> > first

> > > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> > > predictions

> > > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a

son who

> > > would

> > > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the

prediction was

> > > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

> > this? How

> > > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding

> > > accuracy?

> > > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a

long

> > > time

> > > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> > > answer. I

> > > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in

> > > > Benares:

> > > > >

> > > > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a

by-lane in

> > > > the

> > > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > > > advanced in

> > > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile

> > and

> > > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a

> > > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my

> > > birth

> > > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning

which we

> > > did.

> > > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared

to be

> > > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and

> > slowly

> > > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple

> > > Sanskrit,

> > > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who

himself

> > > > was a

> > > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began

> > with

> > > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains,

happiness,

> > > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita

astrologer

> > > with

> > > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the

> > > beginning

> > > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor

> > > > showing

> > > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from

> > > > previous

> > > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> > > Jyotisha and

> > > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning

the Sun

> > > is in

> > > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what

is the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is

herewith given

> > > > for

> > > > > the information of the reader:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

> > persons. He

> > > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world

> > > famous

> > > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary

calculations. He

> > > will

> > > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the

author of

> > > many

> > > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name

Venkata.'

> > > > The

> > > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife

> > whose

> > > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue

> > his

> > > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the

> > art of

> > > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,

> > > 38, 48

> > > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52

> > > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and

fear

> > > from

> > > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

> > respect,

> > > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a

> > pious

> > > > > soul.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on

> > > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the

likes of

> > > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya

so this

> > > > helps

> > > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a

> > great

> > > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > > >

> > > > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great

> > pandit in

> > > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in

astrology

> > > > but

> > > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for

twelve

> > > > years.

> > > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon.

Satyacharya

> > > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

> > defficient in

> > > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a

> > > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> > > (knower of

> > > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future

> > > births

> > > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his

famous

> > > Satya

> > > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

> > practice

> > > > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and

> > > > humility

> > > > > must go together.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge

in Gita

> > > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,

> > ...'

> > > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped

reading

> > > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading

rather than

> > > > get a

> > > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about

> > > > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by sages

> > > > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I remarked: " The

> > > Samhita

> > > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> > > thousands of

> > > > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written probably

> > > about

> > > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select

> > > band of

> > > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

> > possession

> > > > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves

carefully and

> > > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the

> > > grantha

> > > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another

> > room

> > > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different

samhitas, had

> > > > been

> > > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of

> > > course we

> > > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next

> > > night.

> > > > >

> > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about

> > > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future,

> > > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered

to be

> > > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of

foreign

> > > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions

that he

> > > was

> > > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > > > possessor of

> > > > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with him.

> > > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of

interpretation. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic

interpretation but

> > > > most

> > > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far

as the

> > > > future

> > > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> > > revealed to

> > > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this

at the

> > > > > appropiate time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they

> > > claim to

> > > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is

> > > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

> > verified.

> > > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who

> > > dwells a

> > > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they

> > > > probably

> > > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be

> > > verified

> > > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different

> > > > details

> > > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated

as of

> > > only

> > > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the

> > > approach

> > > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> > > delineations

> > > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha

> > Nadi

> > > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

> > distinctiveness of

> > > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when

> > he was

> > > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I

first met

> > > him

> > > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

> > consequence. He

> > > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's

> > > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to

> > > > teach. If

> > > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss

he may

> > > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position,

wealth and

> > > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing

from the

> > > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become

> > > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility,

> > > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I

> > > gathered

> > > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in

general

> > > are

> > > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of

> > their

> > > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell

disaster

> > > for

> > > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he

> > was

> > > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic

circumstances. He

> > > felt

> > > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras

[This

> > > > means

> > > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are

> > much

> > > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call

> > black

> > > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

> > followed the

> > > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He

cited the

> > > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from

> > > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra

> > > mantra

> > > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani

[saturn]. If he

> > > > had

> > > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say

the past

> > > > and

> > > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of

> > > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

> > stage of

> > > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> > > knee-deep in

> > > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash

> > her

> > > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his

attention

> > > > was so

> > > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the

> > > deity

> > > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and

the use

> > > > of a

> > > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of

> > > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

> > story, but

> > > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years

> > of his

> > > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the

propitiated

> > > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the

reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

disciple

> > > > R.G.

> > > > > Rao....]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading

but this

> > > time

> > > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to

> > > others

> > > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which

> > > will be

> > > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> > > astrology but

> > > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall

paraphrase to

> > > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the

lord of

> > > > lagna

> > > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

> > This is

> > > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.

> > The

> > > > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse is as

> > > > follows.

> > > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the

> > native

> > > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great

> > > pain.

> > > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student

still the

> > > guru

> > > > > cursed him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

> > contradictions. My

> > > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as

Kumbha, a

> > > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the

> > reader

> > > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations are

> > > according

> > > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is

> > > > > Satabhisa 3. "

> > > > >

> > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by

> > > saying

> > > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of

> > > > Agastya,

> > > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

> > number of

> > > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)

> > and the

> > > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while

> > > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the

Tattvas. In

> > > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> > > cominations. In

> > > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a

total of

> > > > > 21,600 charts.]

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.

> > > " Kaliyuga

> > > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899

> > > AD--saw

> > > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided

themselves

> > > into

> > > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect.

> > > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives completed

> > > > study of

> > > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was

> > > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th

and not

> > > 46th

> > > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.

> > > When the

> > > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite.

Because

> > > the

> > > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya

could not

> > > > save

> > > > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen

> > > to but

> > > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of

beginners

> > > but I

> > > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to

give the

> > > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect

> > and

> > > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules

for more

> > > > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the

> > > time of

> > > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this

'Nadi' " as

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> > > pointing out

> > > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity

stops with

> > > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months

> > and

> > > > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by

March 24,

> > > > 1977.

> > > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and

> > > well.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the

8th.

> > > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have always

> > > > maintained

> > > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

> > esteemed

> > > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi

says to

> > > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the

> > > > 2nd. If

> > > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The

lagna is in

> > > > the

> > > > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to

intercede and

> > > say:

> > > > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd

> > from

> > > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he

would have

> > > died

> > > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one

> > sign,

> > > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect

> > between

> > > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of

life.

> > > The

> > > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and

> > the

> > > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain

that

> > > Pada

> > > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same

> > as 12

> > > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

> > childhood.]

> > > > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.

> > The

> > > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn

> > > enters

> > > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus)

is in

> > > > Hasta

> > > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the

> > > person

> > > > > dies. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B.

Suryanarian Rao

> > > > was a

> > > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn enters

> > > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native

> > > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been

> > > lost and

> > > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native

> > will

> > > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

> > transit of

> > > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in

which

> > > the

> > > > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using

> > more

> > > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > > >

> > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and

> > has not

> > > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > > > children up

> > > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was

again a

> > > jump

> > > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

> > explains:

> > > > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is

Agastya. He

> > > > has 48

> > > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler

of the

> > > Budha

> > > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,

> > > travels,

> > > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode

> > of the

> > > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> > > children.

> > > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the

> > > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the

> > > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are

> > not

> > > > > relavent. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> > > Sastry an

> > > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.

> > > Here Dr

> > > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,

> > > when I

> > > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis. "

> > > > >

> > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr

Raman

> > > > had a

> > > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not

> > > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out

> > > > jumping

> > > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that

this Nadi

> > > > has

> > > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive

today well

> > > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying:

" The

> > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> > > Markandeya

> > > > > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > > >

> > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by

> > B.V.

> > > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> > > topics. The

> > > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here

are few

> > > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

> > bundles

> > > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details

> > like a

> > > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation,

Nadi

> > > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not

to be

> > > > found

> > > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the

> > > Nadis are

> > > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which,

by some

> > > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native,

where

> > > the

> > > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been

already

> > > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

> > astrologer.

> > > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the

future

> > > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these

speculators

> > > > argue

> > > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

> > happens so.

> > > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and

> > > Samhitas

> > > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

> > information on

> > > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some

of the

> > > > > readings given in them... "

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

> > 'speculations'

> > > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would

not be

> > > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own

> > > > teacher

> > > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a

karna

> > > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their

> > ears

> > > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason

> > being

> > > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an

astrologer,

> > > > even

> > > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then

answer

> > > the

> > > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not

knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic

> > simply

> > > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such

> > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use

> > ksudra

> > > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we

have seen

> > > > from

> > > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the

astrological

> > > > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi

literature for

> > > this

> > > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda

> > Kala

> > > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other

languages

> > > such

> > > > > as Tamil.]

> > > > >

> > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small

unit of

> > > > time

> > > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies

> > in its

> > > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one

> > school

> > > > > itself in some cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> > > appear to

> > > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive

purposes as

> > > will

> > > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance

is a

> > > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,

> > > > Brahma,

> > > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

> > Parasarian

> > > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary

> > > vargas

> > > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

> > perusal is

> > > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific;

(ii)systematic and

> > > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some

of its

> > > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they

> > are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

> > emergence of

> > > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

> > should be

> > > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible

to know

> > > > in a

> > > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> > > regulated by

> > > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this

age of

> > > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the

> > rare

> > > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be

responsible for

> > > > the

> > > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of

> > > > conception

> > > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by

ejaculation into

> > > the

> > > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.

> > > Though

> > > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still

for all

> > > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana

touching the

> > > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken

as the

> > > > time

> > > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta

(Samhita); the

> > > > past

> > > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for

prediction;

> > > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is

> > not yet

> > > > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > > > >

> > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

> > method of

> > > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which

> > > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are

> > > various

> > > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits

> > the

> > > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he

> > > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

> > longitude is

> > > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an

analytical

> > > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > > > >

> > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > > > >

> > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic

principles of

> > > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters

employed in

> > > > the

> > > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defines

> > > each

> > > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some

> > > examples:

> > > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise

they are

> > > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to

> > 20o;

> > > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is

> > 10o to

> > > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

> > vargas are

> > > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two

> > > halves,

> > > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary

> > > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi

except that

> > > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the

> > > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

> > found in

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of

which are

> > > > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > > > >

> > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

> > signs; in

> > > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th

onward in

> > > the

> > > > > dual signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi

> > > > from 0o

> > > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two

halves and

> > > > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are

> > > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in

Druva

> > > Nadi

> > > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra

Kala Nadi

> > > > they

> > > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like

> > Skanda

> > > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines)

all over

> > > the

> > > > > body... "

> > > > >

> > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable

> > clues

> > > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though

having

> > > > been

> > > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle

> > to the

> > > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of

> > > late in

> > > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a

translation of

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little

controversy

> > > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The

following is a

> > > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News

Service. It

> > > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > > > >

> > > > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > > > >

> > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

> > fortune

> > > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical

Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human

> > > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > > >

> > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> > > parentage,

> > > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and

> > future

> > > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> > > misfortunes and

> > > > > calamities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are

> > > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic

version of

> > > > the

> > > > > Samhita.

> > > > >

> > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram

> > > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs

Satish

> > > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> > > reportedly

> > > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in

Jhelum

> > > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> > > purchased the

> > > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > > > >

> > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

> > families,

> > > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was

> > > > located in

> > > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars

were

> > > then

> > > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the

precious

> > > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present

> > > > > generation.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the

manuscript

> > > is in

> > > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years

> > old.

> > > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

> > ago. Mr.

> > > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> > > portions of

> > > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > > >

> > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> > > According to

> > > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the

> > > goddess

> > > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.

> > But

> > > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his

> > > > writings

> > > > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up.

Mr. Ved

> > > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> > > portions and

> > > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify

clients

> > > > who

> > > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's not? " The

> > list

> > > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan

Singh,

> > > S.K.

> > > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> > > Dharmendra,

> > > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of

> > > > Pakistan

> > > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > > > Bhindranwale

> > > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai

> > > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab

University,

> > > says

> > > > > family details are obtained from either the client or another

> > source.

> > > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge

collection of

> > > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > > >

> > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a

reading on

> > > his

> > > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If

> > > something

> > > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than

20% of

> > > the

> > > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong

> > > there are

> > > > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to

examine

> > > > the

> > > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls

> > > employed

> > > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

> > Kumar. He

> > > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or

even its

> > > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene

envelopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have

flourished. " We

> > > > earn

> > > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

> > This is

> > > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses

confirm it.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family,

while the

> > > rest

> > > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides

in the

> > > > U.S.

> > > > > where they own a department store.

> > > > >

> > > > > _________

> > > > >

> > > > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sir,

the fact that they have taken your time and date of birth means that

they will cast your horoscope with it and give predictions based on

astrology rules.

The thumb impression is just an eye wash.

 

, " Harshit Bapna " <hrbapna

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi

reader before.

> A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the

following :

> Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.

>

> I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this

reader.

> They have given me a pamplet which says:

>

> Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram

temple in

> Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized

thier value

> and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the

nadi

> leaves since then.

> Nadi Reader: *Sri Sivakumar Naynar*

> *

> Can anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi

reader in

> Bangalore?*

>

>

> Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam

> #312

> 8th Cross, 35th Main, 6th Phase

> J.P. Nagar

> Bangalore - 560078

> Landmark: Behind Trishul School

> Phone: 080-26656000, 26652400

> Mobile: Get Mobile

> Number<http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/bangalore/parties-special-

occasions-wedding/astrologers/j-p-nagar/agastya-sri-kousika-nadi-

jothidam.htm#>

>

> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, wilson ko <wengkoko wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > dhinakarrajaram

> > Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000

> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

> > Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near

Pachaiappa

> > College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

> > 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

> > south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's

college.

> > Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is

500 per

> > dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at

least

> > 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to

be

> > spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

> >

> > From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at

pachayapa

> > college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike:

Take

> > Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road

take

> > right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

> >

> > Dhinakar

> >

> > , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > Â

> > > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium ,

agasthya

> > nadi , kanchipuram.

> > >

> > > Â

> > > cheers..!!

> > > rajat

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>

> > > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

> > ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > Â

> > > Â Â Â Â I am currently working in foreign country, will be

visiting

> > chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

> > of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any ofÂ

the

> > geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

> > > Â

> > > My Exprience With Nadi,

> > > Â

> > > Â My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait),

All my

> > prediction have come true and special about my carrier

(something

> > which are unbeleivable till today)Â

> > > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

> > started believing

> > > in Nadi.

> > > Â

> > > Thanks

> > > Senthil

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Â Â Â Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> > > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative

things were

> > > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both

good and

> > > bad are 100% correct.

> > >

> > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his

naadi

> > > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and

his naadi

> > > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58,

same

> > > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to

father

> > > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I

saw

> > > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is

true to

> > > 98% till now.

> > >

> > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree

there are

> > > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship

and

> > > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to

find

> > > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical and

> > > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you

may be

> > > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after

analysis of

> > > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one

starts

> > > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism

so that

> > > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to

analysis

> > > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

> > >

> > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28

years of

> > > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to

wonder

> > > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> > > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my

horoscopes,

> > > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy.

So,

> > > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say

95%

> > > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% -

have a

> > > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

> > >

> > > Dhinakar R Iyer

> > >

> > > , " jsebastian88 "

> > > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > my nadi experience,

> > > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical

about nadi

> > > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all

the bad

> > > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for

a good

> > > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with

the help

> > > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one

to

> > > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met

a

> > > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with

in few

> > > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after

i met

> > > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few

good

> > > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

> > saandroragal) ..

> > > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn

same

> > > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the

leaf has

> > > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the

leaf from

> > > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also

came

> > true.

> > > >

> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again

then

> > > > he is fake one.

> > > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND

SATURDAYS.

> > > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give

my date

> > > > of birth.

> > > >

> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley

nothing .

> > > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got

all the

> > > > details.

> > > >

> > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> > > >

> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY

PUNE.

> > > >

> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he

is

> > > > authentic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aries <waryaries@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Oak .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu

parayu " Â Â -

> > > > > Â

> > > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > > > Â

> > > > > arinjale - if you know

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Parayu - tell

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will

tell you

> > > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a

proponent

> > > > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi

reader was

> > > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked

very high

> > > > in the forum .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true ,

how can

> > > > they go wrong with future ?..

> > > > > Â

> > > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the

ones in

> > > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are

conducting

> > > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi

but have

> > > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of

Naadi leaves

> > > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you

ever

> > > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred

on the

> > > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the

weakness of

> > > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can

exploit them

> > > > easily .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS

> > > > : An Excerpt

> > > > >

> > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi

astrology "

> > > > <>, " Prasad Bankar "

<prasadbankar@ >,

> > > > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> > > > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> > > > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > > > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar "

> > > > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > > > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > > > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush

pande "

> > > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > > > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > > > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema "

> > > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> > > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > > > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these

Maharshis' work

> > > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums.

However

> > > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality,

somehow do

> > > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional

earnings

> > > > or work.

> > > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the

hardcore

> > > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or

rivelary.

> > > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling

Miracle.

> > > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers

and have

> > > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast

difference in

> > > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient

origine.

> > > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed

on Una

> > > > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > > > >

> > > > > Â Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS :

> > > > An Excerpt

> > > > > " " <@

.

> > > > com>

> > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > this is fyi.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > > > <>

> > > > >

> > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > > > >

> > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion

mentioned

> > > some of

> > > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his

observations are

> > > quite

> > > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say-

" Grandfather had

> > > given

> > > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living

near

> > his

> > > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had

earned a

> > lot of

> > > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious

about

> > > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state

of

> > > > > pregnancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think

was a

> > > Nadar on

> > > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at

Egmore.

> > > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my

Rasi

> > chart

> > > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a

dialogue in

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati

as the

> > > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of

all the

> > > Nadis

> > > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined

so far,

> > > > it is

> > > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly

accurate.

> > > For the

> > > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi

reading: "

> > > > >

> > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical

Nadi

> > > format,

> > > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi

proceeded

> > > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in

mother's

> > place;

> > > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman,

another

> > > > lady

> > > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in

Venus

> > sign

> > > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary

hieght,

> > > polite,

> > > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam,

has good

> > > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an

impressive

> > > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will

become

> > happy

> > > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of

the

> > 5th, he

> > > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> > > astrology.

> > > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated

with his

> > > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the

2nd is

> > > > strong

> > > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education

and

> > > become a

> > > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will

live

> > up to

> > > > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > > > >

> > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a

dialogue

> > > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the

lord of the

> > > > 8th.

> > > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon

is

> > in the

> > > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of

the

> > 2nd and

> > > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed

profession. He

> > > > will

> > > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> > > agriculture

> > > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education

and

> > > banking

> > > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the

5th, and

> > > > Venus

> > > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He

will

> > > become

> > > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to

granfather's

> > > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

> > mankind by

> > > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous

occupation. He

> > will

> > > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career

and

> > will

> > > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will

add

> > to the

> > > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals

but will

> > > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit

books and

> > > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good

for

> > > business.

> > > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution.

In the

> > > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In

Saturn

> > > Dasa

> > > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He

will

> > > secure a

> > > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > > > vaksiddhi. He

> > > > > will not enter government service but will have association

with

> > > kings.

> > > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no

subordination. Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions

given in

> > > > 1935

> > > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

> > which has

> > > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because

the

> > > Nadi had

> > > > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > > > possession of

> > > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi

owner he

> > > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the

Nadi was

> > > that

> > > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the

appointed

> > > time,

> > > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted

what he

> > > called

> > > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read

from the

> > > > palm

> > > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the

nakshatra

> > > and the

> > > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This

performance of

> > > his in

> > > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb

almost

> > > stunned

> > > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which

enable

> > him to

> > > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him

such

> > > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > > >

> > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out

the

> > first

> > > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> > > predictions

> > > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a

son who

> > > would

> > > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the

prediction was

> > > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

> > this? How

> > > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such

astounding

> > > accuracy?

> > > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for

a long

> > > time

> > > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> > > answer. I

> > > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu

Sastri in

> > > > Benares:

> > > > >

> > > > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a

by-lane in

> > > > the

> > > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > > > advanced in

> > > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a

smile

> > and

> > > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged

in a

> > > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and

recording my

> > > birth

> > > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning

which we

> > > did.

> > > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared

to be

> > > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle

and

> > slowly

> > > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in

simple

> > > Sanskrit,

> > > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who

himself

> > > > was a

> > > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings

began

> > with

> > > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains,

happiness,

> > > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita

astrologer

> > > with

> > > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope

[the

> > > beginning

> > > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his

poor

> > > > showing

> > > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different

from

> > > > previous

> > > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> > > Jyotisha and

> > > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning

the Sun

> > > is in

> > > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--

what is the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is

herewith given

> > > > for

> > > > > the information of the reader:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

> > persons. He

> > > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become

world

> > > famous

> > > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary

calculations. He

> > > will

> > > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the

author of

> > > many

> > > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name

Venkata.'

> > > > The

> > > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His

wife

> > whose

> > > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will

continue

> > his

> > > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by

the

> > art of

> > > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be

35,

> > > 38, 48

> > > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and

52

> > > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative

and fear

> > > from

> > > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

> > respect,

> > > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims

as a

> > pious

> > > > > soul.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information

on

> > > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the

likes of

> > > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya

so this

> > > > helps

> > > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to

become a

> > great

> > > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > > >

> > > > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great

> > pandit in

> > > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in

astrology

> > > > but

> > > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for

twelve

> > > > years.

> > > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon.

Satyacharya

> > > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

> > defficient in

> > > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you

were a

> > > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> > > (knower of

> > > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all

future

> > > births

> > > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his

famous

> > > Satya

> > > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

> > practice

> > > > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge

and

> > > > humility

> > > > > must go together.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge

in Gita

> > > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and

pridelessness,

> > ...'

> > > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped

reading

> > > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading

rather than

> > > > get a

> > > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit

about

> > > > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by

sages

> > > > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I

remarked: " The

> > > Samhita

> > > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> > > thousands of

> > > > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written

probably

> > > about

> > > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a

select

> > > band of

> > > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

> > possession

> > > > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves

carefully and

> > > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But

the

> > > grantha

> > > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to

another

> > room

> > > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different

samhitas, had

> > > > been

> > > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit.

Of

> > > course we

> > > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the

next

> > > night.

> > > > >

> > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything

about

> > > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the

future,

> > > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be

considered to be

> > > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of

foreign

> > > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions

that he

> > > was

> > > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > > > possessor of

> > > > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with

him.

> > > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of

interpretation. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter

27.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic

interpretation but

> > > > most

> > > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far

as the

> > > > future

> > > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> > > revealed to

> > > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on

this at the

> > > > > appropiate time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology

they

> > > claim to

> > > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is

> > > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

> > verified.

> > > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.)

who

> > > dwells a

> > > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that

they

> > > > probably

> > > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot

be

> > > verified

> > > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different

> > > > details

> > > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated

as of

> > > only

> > > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of

the

> > > approach

> > > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> > > delineations

> > > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the

Budha

> > Nadi

> > > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

> > distinctiveness of

> > > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59

when

> > he was

> > > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I

first met

> > > him

> > > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

> > consequence. He

> > > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But

life's

> > > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons

to

> > > > teach. If

> > > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the

abyss he may

> > > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position,

wealth and

> > > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing

from the

> > > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had

become

> > > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of

humility,

> > > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936

onwards I

> > > gathered

> > > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in

general

> > > are

> > > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods

of

> > their

> > > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell

disaster

> > > for

> > > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with

whom he

> > was

> > > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic

circumstances. He

> > > felt

> > > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra

mantras [This

> > > > means

> > > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These

entities are

> > much

> > > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would

call

> > black

> > > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

> > followed the

> > > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He

cited the

> > > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed

from

> > > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain

kshudra

> > > mantra

> > > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani

[saturn]. If he

> > > > had

> > > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say

the past

> > > > and

> > > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date

of

> > > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

> > stage of

> > > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> > > knee-deep in

> > > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to

wash

> > her

> > > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his

attention

> > > > was so

> > > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image

of the

> > > deity

> > > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and

the use

> > > > of a

> > > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the

boon of

> > > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

> > story, but

> > > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last

years

> > of his

> > > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the

propitiated

> > > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the

reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

disciple

> > > > R.G.

> > > > > Rao....]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading

but this

> > > time

> > > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is

similar to

> > > others

> > > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of

which

> > > will be

> > > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> > > astrology but

> > > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall

paraphrase to

> > > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the

lord of

> > > > lagna

> > > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

> > This is

> > > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17

generations.

> > The

> > > > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse

is as

> > > > follows.

> > > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru

the

> > native

> > > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her

great

> > > pain.

> > > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student

still the

> > > guru

> > > > > cursed him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

> > contradictions. My

> > > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as

Kumbha, a

> > > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction

the

> > reader

> > > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations

are

> > > according

> > > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as

revised' is

> > > > > Satabhisa 3. "

> > > > >

> > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different

tangent by

> > > saying

> > > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a

disciple of

> > > > Agastya,

> > > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

> > number of

> > > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra

(chemisty?)

> > and the

> > > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas

while

> > > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the

Tattvas. In

> > > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> > > cominations. In

> > > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a

total of

> > > > > 21,600 charts.]

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less

relevant.

> > > " Kaliyuga

> > > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari,

1899

> > > AD--saw

> > > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided

themselves

> > > into

> > > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect.

> > > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives

completed

> > > > study of

> > > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there

was

> > > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th

and not

> > > 46th

> > > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira

1.

> > > When the

> > > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite.

Because

> > > the

> > > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya

could not

> > > > save

> > > > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to

listen

> > > to but

> > > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of

beginners

> > > but I

> > > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to

give the

> > > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not

perfect

> > and

> > > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules

for more

> > > > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed

the

> > > time of

> > > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to

this 'Nadi' " as

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> > > pointing out

> > > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity

stops with

> > > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7

months

> > and

> > > > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by

March 24,

> > > > 1977.

> > > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive

and

> > > well.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in

the 8th.

> > > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have

always

> > > > maintained

> > > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

> > esteemed

> > > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi

says to

> > > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and

aspects the

> > > > 2nd. If

> > > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The

lagna is in

> > > > the

> > > > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to

intercede and

> > > say:

> > > > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The

63rd

> > from

> > > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he

would have

> > > died

> > > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in

one

> > sign,

> > > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual

aspect

> > between

> > > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term

of life.

> > > The

> > > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's

position and

> > the

> > > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should

explain that

> > > Pada

> > > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to

one

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the

same

> > as 12

> > > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

> > childhood.]

> > > > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th

pada.

> > The

> > > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When

Saturn

> > > enters

> > > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death

(Ayus) is in

> > > > Hasta

> > > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point

the

> > > person

> > > > > dies. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B.

Suryanarian Rao

> > > > was a

> > > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn

enters

> > > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the

native

> > > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have

been

> > > lost and

> > > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The

native

> > will

> > > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of

age. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

> > transit of

> > > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas

in which

> > > the

> > > > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family

using

> > more

> > > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > > >

> > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague

and

> > has not

> > > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > > > children up

> > > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was

again a

> > > jump

> > > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

> > explains:

> > > > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is

Agastya. He

> > > > has 48

> > > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler

of the

> > > Budha

> > > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future

fame,

> > > travels,

> > > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -

abode

> > of the

> > > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> > > children.

> > > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi

was.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart],

the

> > > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference

to the

> > > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark

and are

> > not

> > > > > relavent. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> > > Sastry an

> > > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu

Nadi.

> > > Here Dr

> > > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the

sixties,

> > > when I

> > > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the

Nadis. "

> > > > >

> > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so

Dr Raman

> > > > had a

> > > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I

shall not

> > > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though

with out

> > > > jumping

> > > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that

this Nadi

> > > > has

> > > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive

today well

> > > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by

saying: " The

> > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> > > Markandeya

> > > > > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > > >

> > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore,

edited by

> > B.V.

> > > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> > > topics. The

> > > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here

are few

> > > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

> > bundles

> > > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute

details

> > like a

> > > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of

delineation, Nadi

> > > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own,

not to be

> > > > found

> > > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that

the

> > > Nadis are

> > > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which,

by some

> > > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the

native, where

> > > the

> > > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been

already

> > > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

> > astrologer.

> > > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the

future

> > > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these

speculators

> > > > argue

> > > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

> > happens so.

> > > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis

and

> > > Samhitas

> > > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

> > information on

> > > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of

some of the

> > > > > readings given in them... "

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

> > 'speculations'

> > > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he

would not be

> > > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them.

My own

> > > > teacher

> > > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having

a karna

> > > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into

their

> > ears

> > > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The

reason

> > being

> > > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an

astrologer,

> > > > even

> > > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then

answer

> > > the

> > > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people,

not knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black

magic

> > simply

> > > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know

such

> > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who

use

> > ksudra

> > > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we

have seen

> > > > from

> > > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the

astrological

> > > > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi

literature for

> > > this

> > > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi,

Canda

> > Kala

> > > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other

languages

> > > such

> > > > > as Tamil.]

> > > > >

> > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small

unit of

> > > > time

> > > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however,

varies

> > in its

> > > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in

one

> > school

> > > > > itself in some cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> > > appear to

> > > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive

purposes as

> > > will

> > > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for

instance is a

> > > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means

Siva,

> > > > Brahma,

> > > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

> > Parasarian

> > > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five

planetary

> > > vargas

> > > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

> > perusal is

> > > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)

systematic and

> > > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology.

Some of its

> > > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here

they

> > are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

> > emergence of

> > > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

> > should be

> > > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible

to know

> > > > in a

> > > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> > > regulated by

> > > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In

this age of

> > > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would

be the

> > rare

> > > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be

responsible for

> > > > the

> > > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time

of

> > > > conception

> > > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by

ejaculation into

> > > the

> > > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not

done.

> > > Though

> > > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still

for all

> > > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana

touching the

> > > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is

taken as the

> > > > time

> > > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta

(Samhita); the

> > > > past

> > > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for

prediction;

> > > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It

is

> > not yet

> > > > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > > > >

> > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

> > method of

> > > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account

which

> > > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There

are

> > > various

> > > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn

transits

> > the

> > > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th,

and he

> > > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

> > longitude is

> > > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an

analytical

> > > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > > > >

> > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > > > >

> > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic

principles of

> > > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters

employed in

> > > > the

> > > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defines

> > > each

> > > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take

some

> > > examples:

> > > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana,

Cancer

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise

they are

> > > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o;

10o to

> > 20o;

> > > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them

is

> > 10o to

> > > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

> > vargas are

> > > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in

two

> > > halves,

> > > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different

planetary

> > > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi

except that

> > > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of

the

> > > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

> > found in

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of

which are

> > > > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > > > >

> > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

> > signs; in

> > > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th

onward in

> > > the

> > > > > dual signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12';

Vaishnavi

> > > > from 0o

> > > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two

halves and

> > > > > different horoscopes with different planetary

configurations are

> > > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas

in Druva

> > > Nadi

> > > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra

Kala Nadi

> > > > they

> > > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works

like

> > Skanda

> > > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines)

all over

> > > the

> > > > > body... "

> > > > >

> > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some

valuable

> > clues

> > > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even

though having

> > > > been

> > > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious

puzzle

> > to the

> > > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been

generated of

> > > late in

> > > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a

translation of

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little

controversy

> > > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The

following is a

> > > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News

Service. It

> > > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > > > >

> > > > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > > > >

> > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

> > fortune

> > > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical

Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible

human

> > > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > > >

> > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> > > parentage,

> > > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past

and

> > future

> > > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> > > misfortunes and

> > > > > calamities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are

> > > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic

version of

> > > > the

> > > > > Samhita.

> > > > >

> > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr.

Ram

> > > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and

Mrs Satish

> > > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> > > reportedly

> > > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in

Jhelum

> > > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> > > purchased the

> > > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > > > >

> > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

> > families,

> > > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra

was

> > > > located in

> > > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit

scholars were

> > > then

> > > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the

precious

> > > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the

present

> > > > > generation.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the

manuscript

> > > is in

> > > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred

years

> > old.

> > > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

> > ago. Mr.

> > > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> > > portions of

> > > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > > >

> > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> > > According to

> > > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from

the

> > > goddess

> > > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical

value.

> > But

> > > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that

his

> > > > writings

> > > > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up.

Mr. Ved

> > > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> > > portions and

> > > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to

pacify clients

> > > > who

> > > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's

not? " The

> > list

> > > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan

Singh,

> > > S.K.

> > > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> > > Dharmendra,

> > > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi

Hassan of

> > > > Pakistan

> > > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > > > Bhindranwale

> > > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai

> > > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab

University,

> > > says

> > > > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another

> > source.

> > > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge

collection of

> > > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > > >

> > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a

reading on

> > > his

> > > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and

locate a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known.

If

> > > something

> > > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than

20% of

> > > the

> > > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are

wrong

> > > there are

> > > > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted

to examine

> > > > the

> > > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The

girls

> > > employed

> > > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

> > Kumar. He

> > > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or

even its

> > > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene

envelopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have

flourished. " We

> > > > earn

> > > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

> > This is

> > > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses

confirm it.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family,

while the

> > > rest

> > > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple

resides in the

> > > > U.S.

> > > > > where they own a department store.

> > > > >

> > > > > _________

> > > > >

> > > > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello every one,

 

Please tell me one thing tht Mr D Balasubramniam charges for

Dasabukti is 500 per dasa. But i hv not understood what is this dasa

bhukti.. wether it is Mahadasha or Anterdasha..plese tell me this..

 

cheers!!

RAJAT

 

, " Harshit Bapna " <hrbapna

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi

reader before.

> A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the

following :

> Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.

>

> I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this

reader.

> They have given me a pamplet which says:

>

> Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram

temple in

> Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized

thier value

> and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the

nadi

> leaves since then.

> Nadi Reader: *Sri Sivakumar Naynar*

> *

> Can anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi

reader in

> Bangalore?*

>

>

> Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam

> #312

> 8th Cross, 35th Main, 6th Phase

> J.P. Nagar

> Bangalore - 560078

> Landmark: Behind Trishul School

> Phone: 080-26656000, 26652400

> Mobile: Get Mobile

> Number<http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/bangalore/parties-special-

occasions-wedding/astrologers/j-p-nagar/agastya-sri-kousika-nadi-

jothidam.htm#>

>

> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, wilson ko <wengkoko wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > dhinakarrajaram

> > Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000

> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

> > Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near

Pachaiappa

> > College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

> > 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

> > south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's

college.

> > Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is

500 per

> > dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at

least

> > 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to

be

> > spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

> >

> > From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at

pachayapa

> > college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike:

Take

> > Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road

take

> > right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

> >

> > Dhinakar

> >

> > , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > Â

> > > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium ,

agasthya

> > nadi , kanchipuram.

> > >

> > > Â

> > > cheers..!!

> > > rajat

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>

> > > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

> > ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > Â

> > > Â Â Â Â I am currently working in foreign country, will be

visiting

> > chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

> > of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any ofÂ

the

> > geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

> > > Â

> > > My Exprience With Nadi,

> > > Â

> > > Â My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait),

All my

> > prediction have come true and special about my carrier

(something

> > which are unbeleivable till today)Â

> > > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

> > started believing

> > > in Nadi.

> > > Â

> > > Thanks

> > > Senthil

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Â Â Â Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> > > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative

things were

> > > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both

good and

> > > bad are 100% correct.

> > >

> > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his

naadi

> > > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and

his naadi

> > > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58,

same

> > > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to

father

> > > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I

saw

> > > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is

true to

> > > 98% till now.

> > >

> > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree

there are

> > > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship

and

> > > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to

find

> > > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical and

> > > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you

may be

> > > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after

analysis of

> > > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one

starts

> > > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism

so that

> > > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to

analysis

> > > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

> > >

> > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28

years of

> > > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to

wonder

> > > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> > > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my

horoscopes,

> > > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy.

So,

> > > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say

95%

> > > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% -

have a

> > > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

> > >

> > > Dhinakar R Iyer

> > >

> > > , " jsebastian88 "

> > > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > my nadi experience,

> > > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical

about nadi

> > > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all

the bad

> > > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for

a good

> > > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with

the help

> > > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one

to

> > > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met

a

> > > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with

in few

> > > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after

i met

> > > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few

good

> > > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

> > saandroragal) ..

> > > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn

same

> > > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the

leaf has

> > > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the

leaf from

> > > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also

came

> > true.

> > > >

> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again

then

> > > > he is fake one.

> > > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND

SATURDAYS.

> > > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give

my date

> > > > of birth.

> > > >

> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley

nothing .

> > > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got

all the

> > > > details.

> > > >

> > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> > > >

> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY

PUNE.

> > > >

> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he

is

> > > > authentic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aries <waryaries@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Oak .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In Malayalam there is a saying " Ooru arinjale yedu

parayu " Â Â -

> > > > > Â

> > > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > > > Â

> > > > > arinjale - if you know

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Parayu - tell

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > which translates to " if somebody know you then they will

tell you

> > > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a

proponent

> > > > of this baseless " Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi

reader was

> > > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked

very high

> > > > in the forum .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true ,

how can

> > > > they go wrong with future ?..

> > > > > Â

> > > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the

ones in

> > > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are

conducting

> > > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi

but have

> > > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of

Naadi leaves

> > > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you

ever

> > > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred

on the

> > > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the

weakness of

> > > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can

exploit them

> > > > easily .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS

> > > > : An Excerpt

> > > > >

> > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , " naadi

astrology "

> > > > <>, " Prasad Bankar "

<prasadbankar@ >,

> > > > " Shyam Chandel " <chandel_shyam@ >, " Thriveni Chandrasekaran "

> > > > <venishank@> , " puneet d " <pdswalia@>, " rishikesh deshmukh "

> > > > <rishi_nick@ >, " Hari Dharan " <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > > > " Srinivas Kasam " <kasam_sri@> , " harish kumar "

> > > > <harish_kumar551@ >, " K. Loganathan " <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > > > naadilover@, " Rakesh Nanda " <rakeshnanda@ >, " neha Oak "

> > > > <nehaurja@>, " SHASHIKANT OAK " <shashikantoak@ >, " piyush

pande "

> > > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, " Sandeep Prasad " <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > > > " Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne " <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > > > " Rajan Rajan " <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , " ana salema "

> > > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, " Dr. John Samuel "

> > > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > > > sivasamee@, " Son kaushik " <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these

Maharshis' work

> > > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums.

However

> > > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality,

somehow do

> > > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional

earnings

> > > > or work.

> > > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the

hardcore

> > > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or

rivelary.

> > > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling

Miracle.

> > > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers

and have

> > > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast

difference in

> > > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient

origine.

> > > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed

on Una

> > > > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > > > >

> > > > > Â Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS :

> > > > An Excerpt

> > > > > " " <@

.

> > > > com>

> > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > this is fyi.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > > > <>

> > > > >

> > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > > > >

> > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion

mentioned

> > > some of

> > > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his

observations are

> > > quite

> > > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say-

" Grandfather had

> > > given

> > > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living

near

> > his

> > > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had

earned a

> > lot of

> > > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious

about

> > > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state

of

> > > > > pregnancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think

was a

> > > Nadar on

> > > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at

Egmore.

> > > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my

Rasi

> > chart

> > > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a

dialogue in

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati

as the

> > > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of

all the

> > > Nadis

> > > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined

so far,

> > > > it is

> > > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly

accurate.

> > > For the

> > > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi

reading: "

> > > > >

> > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical

Nadi

> > > format,

> > > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > " After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi

proceeded

> > > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in

mother's

> > place;

> > > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman,

another

> > > > lady

> > > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in

Venus

> > sign

> > > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary

hieght,

> > > polite,

> > > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam,

has good

> > > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an

impressive

> > > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will

become

> > happy

> > > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of

the

> > 5th, he

> > > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> > > astrology.

> > > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated

with his

> > > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the

2nd is

> > > > strong

> > > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education

and

> > > become a

> > > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will

live

> > up to

> > > > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > > > >

> > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a

dialogue

> > > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the

lord of the

> > > > 8th.

> > > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon

is

> > in the

> > > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of

the

> > 2nd and

> > > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed

profession. He

> > > > will

> > > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> > > agriculture

> > > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education

and

> > > banking

> > > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the

5th, and

> > > > Venus

> > > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He

will

> > > become

> > > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to

granfather's

> > > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

> > mankind by

> > > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous

occupation. He

> > will

> > > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career

and

> > will

> > > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will

add

> > to the

> > > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals

but will

> > > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit

books and

> > > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good

for

> > > business.

> > > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution.

In the

> > > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In

Saturn

> > > Dasa

> > > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He

will

> > > secure a

> > > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > > > vaksiddhi. He

> > > > > will not enter government service but will have association

with

> > > kings.

> > > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no

subordination. Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions

given in

> > > > 1935

> > > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

> > which has

> > > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because

the

> > > Nadi had

> > > > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > > > possession of

> > > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi

owner he

> > > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the

Nadi was

> > > that

> > > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the

appointed

> > > time,

> > > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted

what he

> > > called

> > > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read

from the

> > > > palm

> > > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the

nakshatra

> > > and the

> > > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This

performance of

> > > his in

> > > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb

almost

> > > stunned

> > > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which

enable

> > him to

> > > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him

such

> > > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > > >

> > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out

the

> > first

> > > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> > > predictions

> > > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a

son who

> > > would

> > > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the

prediction was

> > > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

> > this? How

> > > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such

astounding

> > > accuracy?

> > > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for

a long

> > > time

> > > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> > > answer. I

> > > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu

Sastri in

> > > > Benares:

> > > > >

> > > > > " ...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a

by-lane in

> > > > the

> > > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > > > advanced in

> > > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a

smile

> > and

> > > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged

in a

> > > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and

recording my

> > > birth

> > > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning

which we

> > > did.

> > > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared

to be

> > > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle

and

> > slowly

> > > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in

simple

> > > Sanskrit,

> > > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who

himself

> > > > was a

> > > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings

began

> > with

> > > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains,

happiness,

> > > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita

astrologer

> > > with

> > > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope

[the

> > > beginning

> > > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his

poor

> > > > showing

> > > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different

from

> > > > previous

> > > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> > > Jyotisha and

> > > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning

the Sun

> > > is in

> > > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--

what is the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is

herewith given

> > > > for

> > > > > the information of the reader:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

> > persons. He

> > > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become

world

> > > famous

> > > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary

calculations. He

> > > will

> > > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the

author of

> > > many

> > > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name

Venkata.'

> > > > The

> > > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His

wife

> > whose

> > > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will

continue

> > his

> > > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by

the

> > art of

> > > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be

35,

> > > 38, 48

> > > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and

52

> > > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative

and fear

> > > from

> > > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

> > respect,

> > > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims

as a

> > pious

> > > > > soul.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information

on

> > > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the

likes of

> > > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya

so this

> > > > helps

> > > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to

become a

> > great

> > > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > > >

> > > > > He took out another leaf and read: " Satyacarya was a great

> > pandit in

> > > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in

astrology

> > > > but

> > > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for

twelve

> > > > years.

> > > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon.

Satyacharya

> > > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

> > defficient in

> > > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you

were a

> > > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> > > (knower of

> > > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all

future

> > > births

> > > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his

famous

> > > Satya

> > > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

> > practice

> > > > > humility. " It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge

and

> > > > humility

> > > > > must go together.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge

in Gita

> > > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and

pridelessness,

> > ...'

> > > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped

reading

> > > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading

rather than

> > > > get a

> > > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit

about

> > > > > Samhitas, he said: " These ancient Samhitas were written by

sages

> > > > > thousands of years ago. " Stopping him abruptly I

remarked: " The

> > > Samhita

> > > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> > > thousands of

> > > > > years? " He calmly answered. " The originals were written

probably

> > > about

> > > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a

select

> > > band of

> > > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

> > possession

> > > > > could be about 300 years old. " I examined the leaves

carefully and

> > > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But

the

> > > grantha

> > > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to

another

> > room

> > > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different

samhitas, had

> > > > been

> > > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit.

Of

> > > course we

> > > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the

next

> > > night.

> > > > >

> > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything

about

> > > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the

future,

> > > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be

considered to be

> > > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of

foreign

> > > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions

that he

> > > was

> > > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > > > possessor of

> > > > > the Budha Nadi. He said, " I had a number of meetings with

him.

> > > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of

interpretation. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter

27.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic

interpretation but

> > > > most

> > > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far

as the

> > > > future

> > > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> > > revealed to

> > > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on

this at the

> > > > > appropiate time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology

they

> > > claim to

> > > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is

> > > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

> > verified.

> > > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.)

who

> > > dwells a

> > > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that

they

> > > > probably

> > > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot

be

> > > verified

> > > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different

> > > > details

> > > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated

as of

> > > only

> > > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of

the

> > > approach

> > > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> > > delineations

> > > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the

Budha

> > Nadi

> > > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

> > distinctiveness of

> > > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59

when

> > he was

> > > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I

first met

> > > him

> > > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

> > consequence. He

> > > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But

life's

> > > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons

to

> > > > teach. If

> > > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the

abyss he may

> > > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position,

wealth and

> > > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing

from the

> > > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had

become

> > > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of

humility,

> > > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936

onwards I

> > > gathered

> > > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in

general

> > > are

> > > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods

of

> > their

> > > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell

disaster

> > > for

> > > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with

whom he

> > was

> > > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic

circumstances. He

> > > felt

> > > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra

mantras [This

> > > > means

> > > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These

entities are

> > much

> > > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would

call

> > black

> > > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

> > followed the

> > > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He

cited the

> > > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed

from

> > > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain

kshudra

> > > mantra

> > > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani

[saturn]. If he

> > > > had

> > > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say

the past

> > > > and

> > > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date

of

> > > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

> > stage of

> > > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> > > knee-deep in

> > > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to

wash

> > her

> > > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his

attention

> > > > was so

> > > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image

of the

> > > deity

> > > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and

the use

> > > > of a

> > > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the

boon of

> > > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

> > story, but

> > > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last

years

> > of his

> > > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the

propitiated

> > > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the

reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

disciple

> > > > R.G.

> > > > > Rao....]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading

but this

> > > time

> > > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is

similar to

> > > others

> > > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of

which

> > > will be

> > > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> > > astrology but

> > > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall

paraphrase to

> > > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi said: " the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the

lord of

> > > > lagna

> > > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

> > This is

> > > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17

generations.

> > The

> > > > > curse will disappear at age 47. " The reason for the curse

is as

> > > > follows.

> > > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru

the

> > native

> > > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her

great

> > > pain.

> > > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student

still the

> > > guru

> > > > > cursed him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

> > contradictions. My

> > > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as

Kumbha, a

> > > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction

the

> > reader

> > > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: " These calculations

are

> > > according

> > > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as

revised' is

> > > > > Satabhisa 3. "

> > > > >

> > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different

tangent by

> > > saying

> > > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a

disciple of

> > > > Agastya,

> > > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

> > number of

> > > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra

(chemisty?)

> > and the

> > > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas

while

> > > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the

Tattvas. In

> > > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> > > cominations. In

> > > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a

total of

> > > > > 21,600 charts.]

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less

relevant.

> > > " Kaliyuga

> > > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari,

1899

> > > AD--saw

> > > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided

themselves

> > > into

> > > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect.

> > > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi continued: " The native in his previous lives

completed

> > > > study of

> > > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there

was

> > > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th

and not

> > > 46th

> > > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira

1.

> > > When the

> > > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite.

Because

> > > the

> > > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya

could not

> > > > save

> > > > > him. " These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to

listen

> > > to but

> > > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of

beginners

> > > but I

> > > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to

give the

> > > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not

perfect

> > and

> > > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules

for more

> > > > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed

the

> > > time of

> > > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to

this 'Nadi' " as

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> > > pointing out

> > > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity

stops with

> > > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7

months

> > and

> > > > > 16.5 days. " According to this Nadi I should have died by

March 24,

> > > > 1977.

> > > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive

and

> > > well.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in

the 8th.

> > > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa. " [i have

always

> > > > maintained

> > > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

> > esteemed

> > > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi

says to

> > > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and

aspects the

> > > > 2nd. If

> > > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The

lagna is in

> > > > the

> > > > > 95th pada. " At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to

intercede and

> > > say:

> > > > > " Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The

63rd

> > from

> > > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he

would have

> > > died

> > > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in

one

> > sign,

> > > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual

aspect

> > between

> > > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term

of life.

> > > The

> > > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's

position and

> > the

> > > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should

explain that

> > > Pada

> > > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to

one

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the

same

> > as 12

> > > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

> > childhood.]

> > > > > " Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th

pada.

> > The

> > > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When

Saturn

> > > enters

> > > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death

(Ayus) is in

> > > > Hasta

> > > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point

the

> > > person

> > > > > dies. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B.

Suryanarian Rao

> > > > was a

> > > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] " When Saturn

enters

> > > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the

native

> > > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have

been

> > > lost and

> > > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The

native

> > will

> > > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of

age. "

> > > > >

> > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

> > transit of

> > > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas

in which

> > > the

> > > > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family

using

> > more

> > > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > > >

> > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague

and

> > has not

> > > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > > > children up

> > > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was

again a

> > > jump

> > > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

> > explains:

> > > > > " There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is

Agastya. He

> > > > has 48

> > > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler

of the

> > > Budha

> > > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras. " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future

fame,

> > > travels,

> > > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -

abode

> > of the

> > > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> > > children.

> > > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi

was.]

> > > > >

> > > > > " Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart],

the

> > > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference

to the

> > > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark

and are

> > not

> > > > > relavent. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> > > Sastry an

> > > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu

Nadi.

> > > Here Dr

> > > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > " My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the

sixties,

> > > when I

> > > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the

Nadis. "

> > > > >

> > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so

Dr Raman

> > > > had a

> > > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I

shall not

> > > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though

with out

> > > > jumping

> > > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that

this Nadi

> > > > has

> > > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive

today well

> > > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by

saying: " The

> > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> > > Markandeya

> > > > > Nadi about which I have previously written. "

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > > >

> > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore,

edited by

> > B.V.

> > > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> > > topics. The

> > > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here

are few

> > > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > > > >

> > > > > " It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

> > bundles

> > > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute

details

> > like a

> > > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of

delineation, Nadi

> > > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own,

not to be

> > > > found

> > > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that

the

> > > Nadis are

> > > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which,

by some

> > > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the

native, where

> > > the

> > > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been

already

> > > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

> > astrologer.

> > > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the

future

> > > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these

speculators

> > > > argue

> > > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

> > happens so.

> > > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis

and

> > > Samhitas

> > > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

> > information on

> > > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of

some of the

> > > > > readings given in them... "

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

> > 'speculations'

> > > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he

would not be

> > > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them.

My own

> > > > teacher

> > > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having

a karna

> > > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into

their

> > ears

> > > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The

reason

> > being

> > > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an

astrologer,

> > > > even

> > > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then

answer

> > > the

> > > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people,

not knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black

magic

> > simply

> > > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know

such

> > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who

use

> > ksudra

> > > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we

have seen

> > > > from

> > > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the

astrological

> > > > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi

literature for

> > > this

> > > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi,

Canda

> > Kala

> > > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other

languages

> > > such

> > > > > as Tamil.]

> > > > >

> > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small

unit of

> > > > time

> > > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however,

varies

> > in its

> > > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in

one

> > school

> > > > > itself in some cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> > > appear to

> > > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive

purposes as

> > > will

> > > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for

instance is a

> > > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means

Siva,

> > > > Brahma,

> > > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

> > Parasarian

> > > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five

planetary

> > > vargas

> > > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

> > perusal is

> > > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)

systematic and

> > > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology.

Some of its

> > > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here

they

> > are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

> > emergence of

> > > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

> > should be

> > > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible

to know

> > > > in a

> > > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> > > regulated by

> > > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In

this age of

> > > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would

be the

> > rare

> > > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be

responsible for

> > > > the

> > > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time

of

> > > > conception

> > > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by

ejaculation into

> > > the

> > > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not

done.

> > > Though

> > > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still

for all

> > > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana

touching the

> > > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is

taken as the

> > > > time

> > > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta

(Samhita); the

> > > > past

> > > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for

prediction;

> > > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It

is

> > not yet

> > > > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > > > >

> > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

> > method of

> > > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account

which

> > > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There

are

> > > various

> > > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn

transits

> > the

> > > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th,

and he

> > > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

> > longitude is

> > > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an

analytical

> > > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > > > >

> > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > > > >

> > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic

principles of

> > > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters

employed in

> > > > the

> > > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defines

> > > each

> > > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take

some

> > > examples:

> > > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana,

Cancer

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise

they are

> > > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o;

10o to

> > 20o;

> > > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them

is

> > 10o to

> > > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

> > vargas are

> > > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in

two

> > > halves,

> > > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different

planetary

> > > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi

except that

> > > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of

the

> > > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

> > found in

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of

which are

> > > > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > > > >

> > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

> > signs; in

> > > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th

onward in

> > > the

> > > > > dual signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12';

Vaishnavi

> > > > from 0o

> > > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two

halves and

> > > > > different horoscopes with different planetary

configurations are

> > > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas

in Druva

> > > Nadi

> > > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra

Kala Nadi

> > > > they

> > > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works

like

> > Skanda

> > > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines)

all over

> > > the

> > > > > body... "

> > > > >

> > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some

valuable

> > clues

> > > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even

though having

> > > > been

> > > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious

puzzle

> > to the

> > > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been

generated of

> > > late in

> > > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a

translation of

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little

controversy

> > > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The

following is a

> > > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News

Service. It

> > > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > > > >

> > > > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > > > >

> > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

> > fortune

> > > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical

Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible

human

> > > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > > >

> > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> > > parentage,

> > > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past

and

> > future

> > > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> > > misfortunes and

> > > > > calamities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are

> > > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic

version of

> > > > the

> > > > > Samhita.

> > > > >

> > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr.

Ram

> > > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and

Mrs Satish

> > > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> > > reportedly

> > > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in

Jhelum

> > > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> > > purchased the

> > > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > > > >

> > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

> > families,

> > > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra

was

> > > > located in

> > > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit

scholars were

> > > then

> > > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the

precious

> > > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the

present

> > > > > generation.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the

manuscript

> > > is in

> > > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred

years

> > old.

> > > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

> > ago. Mr.

> > > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> > > portions of

> > > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > > >

> > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> > > According to

> > > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from

the

> > > goddess

> > > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical

value.

> > But

> > > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that

his

> > > > writings

> > > > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up.

Mr. Ved

> > > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> > > portions and

> > > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to

pacify clients

> > > > who

> > > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, " Who's

not? " The

> > list

> > > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan

Singh,

> > > S.K.

> > > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> > > Dharmendra,

> > > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi

Hassan of

> > > > Pakistan

> > > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > > > Bhindranwale

> > > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai

> > > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab

University,

> > > says

> > > > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another

> > source.

> > > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge

collection of

> > > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > > >

> > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a

reading on

> > > his

> > > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and

locate a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known.

If

> > > something

> > > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than

20% of

> > > the

> > > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are

wrong

> > > there are

> > > > > always the " apocryphal portions, " says Dr. Sharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted

to examine

> > > > the

> > > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The

girls

> > > employed

> > > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

> > Kumar. He

> > > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or

even its

> > > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene

envelopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have

flourished. " We

> > > > earn

> > > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies, " says Mrs Janardan.

> > This is

> > > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses

confirm it.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family,

while the

> > > rest

> > > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple

resides in the

> > > > U.S.

> > > > > where they own a department store.

> > > > >

> > > > > _________

> > > > >

> > > > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dasabukti means entire running dasa inclusive of antaradasas and its sub dasas.Dhinakar From: rz_saxenaDate: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:37:27 +0000 Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

Hello every one,

 

Please tell me one thing tht Mr D Balasubramniam charges for

Dasabukti is 500 per dasa. But i hv not understood what is this dasa

bhukti.. wether it is Mahadasha or Anterdasha..plese tell me this..

 

cheers!!

RAJAT

 

, "Harshit Bapna" <hrbapna

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi

reader before.

> A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the

following :

> Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.

>

> I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this

reader.

> They have given me a pamplet which says:

>

> Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram

temple in

> Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized

thier value

> and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the

nadi

> leaves since then.

> Nadi Reader: *Sri Sivakumar Naynar*

> *

> Can anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi

reader in

> Bangalore?*

>

>

> Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam

> #312

> 8th Cross, 35th Main, 6th Phase

> J.P. Nagar

> Bangalore - 560078

> Landmark: Behind Trishul School

> Phone: 080-26656000, 26652400

> Mobile: Get Mobile

> Number<http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/bangalore/parties-special-

occasions-wedding/astrologers/j-p-nagar/agastya-sri-kousika-nadi-

jothidam.htm#>

>

> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, wilson ko <wengkoko wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > dhinakarrajaram

> > Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000

> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> >

> > Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.

> > Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near

Pachaiappa

> > College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726

> > 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km

> > south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's

college.

> > Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is

500 per

> > dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at

least

> > 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to

be

> > spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.

> >

> > From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at

pachayapa

> > college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike:

Take

> > Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road

take

> > right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.

> >

> > Dhinakar

> >

> > , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > Â

> > > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium ,

agasthya

> > nadi , kanchipuram.

> > >

> > > Â

> > > cheers..!!

> > > rajat

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:

> > >

> > > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>

> > > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

> > ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > Â

> > > Â Â Â Â I am currently working in foreign country, will be

visiting

> > chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address

> > of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any ofÂ

the

> > geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.

> > > Â

> > > My Exprience With Nadi,

> > > Â

> > > Â My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait),

All my

> > prediction have come true and special about my carrier

(something

> > which are unbeleivable till today)Â

> > > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have

> > started believing

> > > in Nadi.

> > > Â

> > > Thanks

> > > Senthil

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Â Â Â Â

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@

hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI

ASTROLOGERS

> > >

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.

> > > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative

things were

> > > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both

good and

> > > bad are 100% correct.

> > >

> > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his

naadi

> > > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and

his naadi

> > > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58,

same

> > > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to

father

> > > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I

saw

> > > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is

true to

> > > 98% till now.

> > >

> > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree

there are

> > > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship

and

> > > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to

find

> > > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be

practical and

> > > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you

may be

> > > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after

analysis of

> > > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one

starts

> > > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism

so that

> > > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to

analysis

> > > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.

> > >

> > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28

years of

> > > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to

wonder

> > > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's

> > > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my

horoscopes,

> > > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy.

So,

> > > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say

95%

> > > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% -

have a

> > > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.

> > >

> > > Dhinakar R Iyer

> > >

> > > , "jsebastian88"

> > > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > my nadi experience,

> > > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went

> > > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical

about nadi

> > > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all

the bad

> > > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for

a good

> > > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with

the help

> > > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one

to

> > > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met

a

> > > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with

in few

> > > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after

i met

> > > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few

good

> > > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum

> > saandroragal) ..

> > > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn

same

> > > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the

leaf has

> > > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the

leaf from

> > > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also

came

> > true.

> > > >

> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:

> > > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.

> > > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again

then

> > > > he is fake one.

> > > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .

> > > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND

SATURDAYS.

> > > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.

> > > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give

my date

> > > > of birth.

> > > >

> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley

nothing .

> > > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got

all the

> > > > details.

> > > >

> > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.

> > > >

> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT

> > > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY

PUNE.

> > > >

> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he

is

> > > > authentic.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , aries <waryaries@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr Oak .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu

parayu "Â Â -

> > > > > Â

> > > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )

> > > > > Â

> > > > > arinjale - if you know

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Parayu - tell

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will

tell you

> > > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a

proponent

> > > > of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi

reader was

> > > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked

very high

> > > > in the forum .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true ,

how can

> > > > they go wrong with future ?..

> > > > > Â

> > > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the

ones in

> > > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are

conducting

> > > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi

but have

> > > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of

Naadi leaves

> > > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you

ever

> > > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred

on the

> > > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the

weakness of

> > > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can

exploit them

> > > > easily .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Thanks for your understanding .

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Â

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >

> > > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS

> > > > : An Excerpt

> > > > >

> > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi

astrology"

> > > > <>, "Prasad Bankar"

<prasadbankar@ >,

> > > > "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"

> > > > <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"

> > > > <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,

> > > > "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"

> > > > <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,

> > > > naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"

> > > > <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush

pande"

> > > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, "Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,

> > > > "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,

> > > > "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"

> > > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"

> > > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,

> > > > sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@

> > > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.

> > > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these

Maharshis' work

> > > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums.

However

> > > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in

> > > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality,

somehow do

> > > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional

earnings

> > > > or work.

> > > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the

hardcore

> > > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or

rivelary.

> > > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my

> > > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling

Miracle.

> > > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers

and have

> > > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast

difference in

> > > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient

origine.

> > > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed

on Una

> > > > Road in Hosiarpur.

> > > > >

> > > > > Â Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >

> > > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND

ASTROLOGERS :

> > > > An Excerpt

> > > > > "" <@

.

> > > > com>

> > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > this is fyi.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt

> > > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49

> > > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>

> > > > > <>

> > > > >

> > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)

> > > > >

> > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion

mentioned

> > > some of

> > > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his

observations are

> > > quite

> > > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say-

"Grandfather had

> > > given

> > > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living

near

> > his

> > > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had

earned a

> > lot of

> > > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious

about

> > > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state

of

> > > > > pregnancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think

was a

> > > Nadar on

> > > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at

Egmore.

> > > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my

Rasi

> > chart

> > > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a

dialogue in

> > > > Tamil

> > > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati

as the

> > > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of

all the

> > > Nadis

> > > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined

so far,

> > > > it is

> > > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly

accurate.

> > > For the

> > > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi

reading:"

> > > > >

> > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical

Nadi

> > > format,

> > > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi

proceeded

> > > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in

mother's

> > place;

> > > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman,

another

> > > > lady

> > > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in

Venus

> > sign

> > > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary

hieght,

> > > polite,

> > > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam,

has good

> > > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an

impressive

> > > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will

become

> > happy

> > > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of

the

> > 5th, he

> > > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in

> > > astrology.

> > > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated

with his

> > > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the

2nd is

> > > > strong

> > > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education

and

> > > become a

> > > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will

live

> > up to

> > > > > Ketu Dasa.'

> > > > >

> > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a

dialogue

> > > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the

lord of the

> > > > 8th.

> > > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon

is

> > in the

> > > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of

the

> > 2nd and

> > > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed

profession. He

> > > > will

> > > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from

> > > agriculture

> > > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education

and

> > > banking

> > > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the

5th, and

> > > > Venus

> > > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th

> > > > aspected by

> > > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He

will

> > > become

> > > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to

granfather's

> > > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping

> > mankind by

> > > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous

occupation. He

> > will

> > > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career

and

> > will

> > > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will

add

> > to the

> > > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals

but will

> > > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit

books and

> > > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good

for

> > > business.

> > > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution.

In the

> > > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In

Saturn

> > > Dasa

> > > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He

will

> > > secure a

> > > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have

> > > > vaksiddhi. He

> > > > > will not enter government service but will have association

with

> > > kings.

> > > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no

subordination. Jupiter

> > > > and

> > > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions

given in

> > > > 1935

> > > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi

> > which has

> > > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because

the

> > > Nadi had

> > > > > predicted a bright future for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in

> > > > possession of

> > > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi

owner he

> > > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the

Nadi was

> > > that

> > > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the

appointed

> > > time,

> > > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted

what he

> > > called

> > > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read

from the

> > > > palm

> > > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the

nakshatra

> > > and the

> > > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This

performance of

> > > his in

> > > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb

almost

> > > stunned

> > > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which

enable

> > him to

> > > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him

such

> > > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'

> > > > >

> > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out

the

> > first

> > > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific

> > > predictions

> > > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a

son who

> > > would

> > > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the

prediction was

> > > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of

> > this? How

> > > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such

astounding

> > > accuracy?

> > > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for

a long

> > > time

> > > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the

> > > answer. I

> > > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course."

> > > > >

> > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu

Sastri in

> > > > Benares:

> > > > >

> > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a

by-lane in

> > > > the

> > > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly

> > > > advanced in

> > > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a

smile

> > and

> > > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged

in a

> > > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and

recording my

> > > birth

> > > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning

which we

> > > did.

> > > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared

to be

> > > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle

and

> > slowly

> > > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in

simple

> > > Sanskrit,

> > > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who

himself

> > > > was a

> > > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings

began

> > with

> > > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.

> > > > >

> > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains,

happiness,

> > > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita

astrologer

> > > with

> > > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope

[the

> > > beginning

> > > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his

poor

> > > > showing

> > > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different

from

> > > > previous

> > > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master

> > > Jyotisha and

> > > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning

the Sun

> > > is in

> > > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--

what is the

> > > > yoga

> > > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is

herewith given

> > > > for

> > > > > the information of the reader:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of

> > persons. He

> > > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become

world

> > > famous

> > > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary

calculations. He

> > > will

> > > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the

author of

> > > many

> > > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name

Venkata.'

> > > > The

> > > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His

wife

> > whose

> > > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will

continue

> > his

> > > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by

the

> > art of

> > > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be

35,

> > > 38, 48

> > > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and

52

> > > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative

and fear

> > > from

> > > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,

> > respect,

> > > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims

as a

> > pious

> > > > > soul.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information

on

> > > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the

likes of

> > > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya

so this

> > > > helps

> > > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to

become a

> > great

> > > > > astrologer, humility.]

> > > > >

> > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great

> > pandit in

> > > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in

astrology

> > > > but

> > > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for

twelve

> > > > years.

> > > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon.

Satyacharya

> > > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was

> > defficient in

> > > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you

were a

> > > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna

> > > (knower of

> > > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all

future

> > > births

> > > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his

famous

> > > Satya

> > > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him

> > practice

> > > > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge

and

> > > > humility

> > > > > must go together.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge

in Gita

> > > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and

pridelessness,

> > ...'

> > > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped

reading

> > > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading

rather than

> > > > get a

> > > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit

about

> > > > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by

sages

> > > > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I

remarked:"The

> > > Samhita

> > > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of

> > > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of

> > > thousands of

> > > > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written

probably

> > > about

> > > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a

select

> > > band of

> > > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my

> > possession

> > > > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves

carefully and

> > > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But

the

> > > grantha

> > > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to

another

> > room

> > > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different

samhitas, had

> > > > been

> > > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit.

Of

> > > course we

> > > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the

next

> > > night.

> > > > >

> > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything

about

> > > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the

future,

> > > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be

considered to be

> > > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of

foreign

> > > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions

that he

> > > was

> > > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the

> > > > possessor of

> > > > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with

him.

> > > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had

> > > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of

interpretation. "

> > > > >

> > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter

27.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic

interpretation but

> > > > most

> > > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far

as the

> > > > future

> > > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was

> > > revealed to

> > > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on

this at the

> > > > > appropiate time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology

they

> > > claim to

> > > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological

discussion is

> > > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be

> > verified.

> > > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.)

who

> > > dwells a

> > > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that

they

> > > > probably

> > > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot

be

> > > verified

> > > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets

different

> > > > details

> > > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated

as of

> > > only

> > > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of

the

> > > approach

> > > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the

> > > delineations

> > > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the

Budha

> > Nadi

> > > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a

> > distinctiveness of

> > > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59

when

> > he was

> > > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I

first met

> > > him

> > > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no

> > consequence. He

> > > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But

life's

> > > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons

to

> > > > teach. If

> > > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the

abyss he may

> > > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position,

wealth and

> > > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing

from the

> > > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had

become

> > > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of

humility,

> > > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936

onwards I

> > > gathered

> > > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in

general

> > > are

> > > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods

of

> > their

> > > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell

disaster

> > > for

> > > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a

> > > conclusion.

> > > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with

whom he

> > was

> > > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic

circumstances. He

> > > felt

> > > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra

mantras [This

> > > > means

> > > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These

entities are

> > much

> > > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would

call

> > black

> > > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly

> > followed the

> > > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He

cited the

> > > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed

from

> > > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain

kshudra

> > > mantra

> > > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani

[saturn]. If he

> > > > had

> > > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say

the past

> > > > and

> > > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date

of

> > > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last

> > stage of

> > > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing

> > > knee-deep in

> > > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to

wash

> > her

> > > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his

attention

> > > > was so

> > > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image

of the

> > > deity

> > > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and

the use

> > > > of a

> > > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the

boon of

> > > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this

> > story, but

> > > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last

years

> > of his

> > > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the

propitiated

> > > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the

reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s

disciple

> > > > R.G.

> > > > > Rao....]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading

but this

> > > time

> > > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is

similar to

> > > others

> > > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of

which

> > > will be

> > > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of

> > > astrology but

> > > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall

paraphrase to

> > > > > reduce the volume of material.]

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the

lord of

> > > > lagna

> > > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].

> > This is

> > > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17

generations.

> > The

> > > > > curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse

is as

> > > > follows.

> > > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru

the

> > native

> > > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her

great

> > > pain.

> > > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student

still the

> > > guru

> > > > > cursed him.

> > > > >

> > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several

> > contradictions. My

> > > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as

Kumbha, a

> > > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction

the

> > reader

> > > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations

are

> > > according

> > > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as

revised' is

> > > > > Satabhisa 3."

> > > > >

> > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different

tangent by

> > > saying

> > > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a

disciple of

> > > > Agastya,

> > > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total

> > number of

> > > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra

(chemisty?)

> > and the

> > > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas

while

> > > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the

Tattvas. In

> > > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and

> > > cominations. In

> > > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a

total of

> > > > > 21,600 charts.]

> > > > >

> > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less

relevant.

> > > "Kaliyuga

> > > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari,

1899

> > > AD--saw

> > > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided

themselves

> > > into

> > > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such

sect.

> > > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer."

> > > > >

> > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives

completed

> > > > study of

> > > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there

was

> > > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th

and not

> > > 46th

> > > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira

1.

> > > When the

> > > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite.

Because

> > > the

> > > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya

could not

> > > > save

> > > > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to

listen

> > > to but

> > > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of

beginners

> > > but I

> > > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to

give the

> > > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not

perfect

> > and

> > > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules

for more

> > > > > advanced astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed

the

> > > time of

> > > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to

this 'Nadi' "as

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is

> > > pointing out

> > > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity

stops with

> > > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7

months

> > and

> > > > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by

March 24,

> > > > 1977.

> > > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive

and

> > > well.]

> > > > >

> > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in

the 8th.

> > > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa." [i have

always

> > > > maintained

> > > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my

> > esteemed

> > > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi

says to

> > > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]

> > > > >

> > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and

aspects the

> > > > 2nd. If

> > > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The

lagna is in

> > > > the

> > > > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to

intercede and

> > > say:

> > > > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The

63rd

> > from

> > > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he

would have

> > > died

> > > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in

one

> > sign,

> > > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual

aspect

> > between

> > > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term

of life.

> > > The

> > > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's

position and

> > the

> > > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should

explain that

> > > Pada

> > > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to

one

> > > navamsa.

> > > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the

same

> > as 12

> > > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in

> > childhood.]

> > > > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th

pada.

> > The

> > > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When

Saturn

> > > enters

> > > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death

(Ayus) is in

> > > > Hasta

> > > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point

the

> > > person

> > > > > dies."

> > > > >

> > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to

> > > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B.

Suryanarian Rao

> > > > was a

> > > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn

enters

> > > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the

native

> > > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have

been

> > > lost and

> > > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The

native

> > will

> > > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of

age."

> > > > >

> > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the

> > transit of

> > > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas

in which

> > > the

> > > > > lagna and the planets are situated...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family

using

> > more

> > > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]

> > > > >

> > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague

and

> > has not

> > > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of

> > > > children up

> > > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was

again a

> > > jump

> > > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi

> > explains:

> > > > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is

Agastya. He

> > > > has 48

> > > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler

of the

> > > Budha

> > > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."...

> > > > >

> > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future

fame,

> > > travels,

> > > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -

abode

> > of the

> > > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and

> > > children.

> > > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi

was.]

> > > > >

> > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart],

the

> > > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference

to the

> > > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark

and are

> > not

> > > > > relavent."

> > > > >

> > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.

> > > Sastry an

> > > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu

Nadi.

> > > Here Dr

> > > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.

> > > > >

> > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the

sixties,

> > > when I

> > > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the

Nadis."

> > > > >

> > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so

Dr Raman

> > > > had a

> > > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I

shall not

> > > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though

with out

> > > > jumping

> > > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that

this Nadi

> > > > has

> > > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive

today well

> > > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by

saying: "The

> > > Bhrgu

> > > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the

> > > Markandeya

> > > > > Nadi about which I have previously written."

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHER OPINIONS

> > > > >

> > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore,

edited by

> > B.V.

> > > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological

> > > topics. The

> > > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here

are few

> > > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.

> > > > >

> > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf

> > bundles

> > > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute

details

> > like a

> > > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of

delineation, Nadi

> > > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own,

not to be

> > > > found

> > > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that

the

> > > Nadis are

> > > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which,

by some

> > > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the

native, where

> > > the

> > > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been

already

> > > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi

> > astrologer.

> > > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the

future

> > > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these

speculators

> > > > argue

> > > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this

> > happens so.

> > > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis

and

> > > Samhitas

> > > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of

> > information on

> > > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of

some of the

> > > > > readings given in them..."

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the

> > 'speculations'

> > > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he

would not be

> > > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them.

My own

> > > > teacher

> > > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having

a karna

> > > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into

their

> > ears

> > > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The

reason

> > being

> > > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an

astrologer,

> > > > even

> > > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then

answer

> > > the

> > > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people,

not knowing

> > > > the

> > > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black

magic

> > simply

> > > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know

such

> > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who

use

> > ksudra

> > > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we

have seen

> > > > from

> > > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the

astrological

> > > > > foundations of the Nadis.

> > > > >

> > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi

literature for

> > > this

> > > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi,

Canda

> > Kala

> > > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other

languages

> > > such

> > > > > as Tamil.]

> > > > >

> > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small

unit of

> > > > time

> > > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however,

varies

> > in its

> > > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in

one

> > school

> > > > > itself in some cases.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems

> > > appear to

> > > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive

purposes as

> > > will

> > > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for

instance is a

> > > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means

Siva,

> > > > Brahma,

> > > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the

> > Parasarian

> > > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five

planetary

> > > vargas

> > > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .

> > > > >

> > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its

> > perusal is

> > > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)

systematic and

> > > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology.

Some of its

> > > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here

they

> > are:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,

> > emergence of

> > > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three

> > should be

> > > > > taken into account for prediction.'

> > > > >

> > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible

to know

> > > > in a

> > > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus

> > > regulated by

> > > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In

this age of

> > > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would

be the

> > rare

> > > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be

responsible for

> > > > the

> > > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time

of

> > > > conception

> > > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by

ejaculation into

> > > the

> > > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not

done.

> > > Though

> > > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still

for all

> > > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana

touching the

> > > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is

taken as the

> > > > time

> > > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta

(Samhita); the

> > > > past

> > > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for

prediction;

> > > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It

is

> > not yet

> > > > > determined what school it belongs to.

> > > > >

> > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a

> > method of

> > > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account

which

> > > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There

are

> > > various

> > > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]

> > > > >

> > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn

transits

> > the

> > > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th,

and he

> > > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by

> > longitude is

> > > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an

analytical

> > > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...

> > > > >

> > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI

> > > > >

> > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic

principles of

> > > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters

employed in

> > > > the

> > > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably

defines

> > > each

> > > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take

some

> > > examples:

> > > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana,

Cancer

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise

they are

> > > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o;

10o to

> > 20o;

> > > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them

is

> > 10o to

> > > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five

> > vargas are

> > > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in

two

> > > halves,

> > > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different

planetary

> > > > > configurations are delineated.

> > > > >

> > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi

except that

> > > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of

the

> > > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are

> > found in

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of

which are

> > > > > different synonyms of Durga.]

> > > > >

> > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable

> > signs; in

> > > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th

onward in

> > > the

> > > > > dual signs.

> > > > >

> > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12';

Vaishnavi

> > > > from 0o

> > > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two

halves and

> > > > > different horoscopes with different planetary

configurations are

> > > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas

in Druva

> > > Nadi

> > > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra

Kala Nadi

> > > > they

> > > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works

like

> > Skanda

> > > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines)

all over

> > > the

> > > > > body..."

> > > > >

> > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some

valuable

> > clues

> > > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even

though having

> > > > been

> > > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious

puzzle

> > to the

> > > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been

generated of

> > > late in

> > > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a

translation of

> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little

controversy

> > > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The

following is a

> > > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News

Service. It

> > > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.

> > > > >

> > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.

> > > > >

> > > > > HOSHIARPUR:

> > > > >

> > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of

> > fortune

> > > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical

Bhrgu

> > > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible

human

> > > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.

> > > > >

> > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,

> > > parentage,

> > > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past

and

> > future

> > > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall

> > > misfortunes and

> > > > > calamities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these

families are

> > > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic

version of

> > > > the

> > > > > Samhita.

> > > > >

> > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr.

Ram

> > > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and

Mrs Satish

> > > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He

> > > reportedly

> > > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in

Jhelum

> > > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he

> > > purchased the

> > > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).

> > > > >

> > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related

> > families,

> > > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra

was

> > > > located in

> > > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit

scholars were

> > > then

> > > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the

precious

> > > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the

present

> > > > > generation.

> > > > >

> > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the

manuscript

> > > is in

> > > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred

years

> > old.

> > > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years

> > ago. Mr.

> > > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless

> > > portions of

> > > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.

> > > > >

> > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.

> > > According to

> > > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from

the

> > > goddess

> > > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical

value.

> > But

> > > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that

his

> > > > writings

> > > > > henceforth would be unaffected.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up.

Mr. Ved

> > > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful

> > > portions and

> > > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to

pacify clients

> > > > who

> > > > > complain that the predictions are not true.

> > > > >

> > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's

not?" The

> > list

> > > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan

Singh,

> > > S.K.

> > > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and

> > > Dharmendra,

> > > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi

Hassan of

> > > > Pakistan

> > > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that

> > > > Bhindranwale

> > > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers.

Dr. Jai

> > > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab

University,

> > > says

> > > > > family details are obtained from either the client or

another

> > source.

> > > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge

collection of

> > > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.

> > > > >

> > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a

reading on

> > > his

> > > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and

locate a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known.

If

> > > something

> > > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than

20% of

> > > the

> > > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are

wrong

> > > there are

> > > > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted

to examine

> > > > the

> > > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The

girls

> > > employed

> > > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram

> > Kumar. He

> > > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or

even its

> > > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene

envelopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have

flourished. "We

> > > > earn

> > > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan.

> > This is

> > > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses

confirm it.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family,

while the

> > > rest

> > > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple

resides in the

> > > > U.S.

> > > > > where they own a department store.

> > > > >

> > > > > _________

> > > > >

> > > > > by Shyamasundara Das

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

It,s Based on Vedic Astrology. How there things are coming in Naadi reading?Thank you, Sincerly, S. Hariharan

 

From: dhinakarrajaramDate: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:31:55 +0530RE: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

 

Dasabukti means entire running dasa inclusive of antaradasas and its sub dasas.Dhinakar

 

From: rz_saxena Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:37:27 +0000 Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS

 

 

Hello every one,Please tell me one thing tht Mr D Balasubramniam charges for Dasabukti is 500 per dasa. But i hv not understood what is this dasa bhukti.. wether it is Mahadasha or Anterdasha..plese tell me this..cheers!!RAJAT , "Harshit Bapna" <hrbapna wrote:>> Hi All,> > Has anyone experienced Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam nadi reader before.> A week back I went to this office. They asked me about the following :> Time of Birth, Date of Birth and took my thumb impression.> > I am worried after going through the posts about veracity of this reader.> They have given me a pamplet which says:> > Around 13 th century the nadi leaves were found in Vaideshwaram temple in> Tamil Nadu.The Nayannar community found these leaves, realized thier value> and made exact copies of them and have been the custodians of the nadi> leaves since then.> Nadi Reader: *Sri Sivakumar Naynar*> *> Can anyone suggest me on this or provide details of a Genuine Nadi reader in> Bangalore?*> > > Agastya Sri Kousika Nadi Jyotidam> #312> 8th Cross, 35th Main, 6th Phase> J.P. Nagar> Bangalore - 560078> Landmark: Behind Trishul School> Phone: 080-26656000, 26652400> Mobile: Get Mobile> Number<http://yellowpages.sulekha.com/bangalore/parties-special-occasions-wedding/astrologers/j-p-nagar/agastya-sri-kousika-nadi-jothidam.htm#>> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:52 PM, wilson ko <wengkoko wrote:> > >> >> > ------------------------------> > > > dhinakarrajaram > Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:54:47 +0000> > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS> >> > Sri Agatiyar Nadi Jothida Nilayam Sri Agathiyar Naadi Thiru. D.> > Balasubramaniyam 189,Periyar Nagar, Chengulput Road Near Pachaiappa> > College for Men, Little Congivaram Pincode: 631 501. 0091 44 2726> > 9283 0091 44 6727 1123 Contact: Mr. Selvam the centre is 1.5 Km> > south from Varadharaja Temple and 250 Mtrs from pachayapa's college.> > Cost: 250 for General and 150 for other kandhams. Dasabukti is 500 per> > dasa. The centre is closed on every Tuesday. Fix appointments at least> > 15 days earlier and be there by 8am. One may need a whole day to be> > spent in the Centre. Rush will be there.> >> > From Madras: if going by bus: Take 79 of TPTC bus alight at pachayapa> > college stop and walk 250 metres north. If going via Cab/Mobike: Take> > Vandalur - Walajabad Road and at the X Jn at the end of the road take> > right: the centre is exactly 10 KM from that Jn to the north.> >> > Dhinakar> >> > , Rajat Saxena <rz_saxena@> wrote:> > >> > > Hello,> > > Â> > > Can you please share the address of Mr. D.Balasubramanium , agasthya> > nadi , kanchipuram.> > >> > > Â> > > cheers..!!> > > rajat> > >> > > --- On Fri, 8/8/08, senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@> wrote:> > >> > > senthil kumar <psenthilkumar4@>> > > Re: Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI> > ASTROLOGERS> > > > > > Friday, 8 August, 2008, 9:07 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi all,> > > Â> > >     I am currently working in foreign country, will be visiting> > chennai in september, can anyone please tell the exact address> > of  D.Balasubramanium, agasthya nadi, kanchipuram (or) any of the> > geniune nadi reader in and around chennai.> > > Â> > > My Exprience With Nadi,> > > Â> > >  My first reading was with Kagabujandar Nadi (Wahab sait), All my> > prediction have come true and special about my carrier (something> > which are unbeleivable till today)Â> > > and Same thing has happened to my brother too.From then i have> > started believing> > > in Nadi.> > > Â> > > Thanks> > > Senthil> > > Â> > >> > >    Â> > >> > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com> wrote:> > >> > > rdhinakar4477 <dhinakarrajaram@ hotmail.com>> > > Re: ABOUT FAKE AND ORGINAL NADI ASTROLOGERS> > > > > > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:44 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I too along with my father and my sister got our naadis from D.> > > Balasubramanian. Till now what has been told esp negative things were> > > happening to me and for my sister what was told till now both good and> > > bad are 100% correct.> > >> > > The most amazing thing is for my father: he died as told in his naadi> > > at age of 58 running. There was a indication in my naadi and his naadi> > > that there will be a khandham (treat to life) when he is 58, same> > > thing happened and also in my naadi there were references to father> > > till 29th year of my life and after that no reference to him. I saw> > > 1,7, 10, Shanthi and deekshai chapters, and what was told is true to> > > 98% till now.> > >> > > Can any one who posted views say on this. Offcourse I agree there are> > > fake in all - right from medicine, astrology , faith, god ship and> > > even to intimate relationship there are fakes but we have to find> > > which is correct using our rational mind. One should be practical and> > > have a open mind. First try to think like a agnostic (but you may be> > > theist) and then try to figure out what is what and after analysis of> > > all switch over back to your usual way of mind set. If one starts> > > thinking first in a agnostic way - as the word say scepticism so that> > > one can have open mind and that open mind will be ready to analysis> > > things without coming to a immediate conclusion of things.> > >> > > I too was first not accepting the readings of naadi till 28 years of> > > my age - but when things were happened as told - I started to wonder> > > how come these were told several millennia ago by people who's> > > existence is a debatable issue and they were telling of my horoscopes,> > > my qualifications and area I am expert etc in a 100% accuracy. So,> > > don't come to conclusion all are fake and cheat. as to to say 95%> > > chennai auto drivers are bad and 5% is good. Find that 5% - have a> > > happy peaceful journey - same thing for everything.> > >> > > Dhinakar R Iyer> > >> > > , "jsebastian88"> > > <jsebastian88@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > my nadi experience,> > > > . i am from chennai one and half year back i went> > > > to nadi reader in kanchipuram. at first i was bit skeptical about nadi> > > > leaves but things predicted for me came true one by one. all the bad> > > > things predicted for me happened exactly . i was waiting for a good> > > > thing to happen. according to nadi, i will get job only with the help> > > > of few good people and a big man. i was waiting for this one to> > > > happen. now i got job with the help of few good people. i met a> > > > holyman in arrakonam he blessed me that i will get job with in few> > > > day. surprisingly i got job in a company two days later after i met> > > > that holyman. as told in nadi i got job with the help of few good> > > > people and a big man(holyman) . in tamil (androrgal matrum> > saandroragal) ..> > > > i have also met the people who got their nadi reading fromn same> > > > place where i went.they told me what ever predicted in the leaf has> > > > come true. a guy working in my fathers factory also got the leaf from> > > > poosamuthu some 20 year back.what ever predicted for him also came> > true.> > > >> > > > signs of true nadi astrologer:> > > > 1) if any nadi reader ask your date of birth dont go there.> > > > 2) if nadi reader repeating the same question again and again then> > > > he is fake one.> > > > the question asked by the nadi reader should be random .> > > > GOOD NADI READERS HAVE LOT OF CUSTOMERS DURING SUNDAYS AND SATURDAYS.> > > > if any one dont have customers in sundays dont go there.> > > > if some one ask you date of birth, tell him i will not give my date> > > > of birth.> > > >> > > > for me he never asked my name , date of birth absolutley nothing .> > > > except my thumb impression and my initial. thats it. i got all the> > > > details.> > > >> > > > i went to D.Balasubramanium , agasthya nadi , kanchipuram.> > > >> > > > BEWARE PEOPLE THERE ARE LOT OF FAKE NADI ASTROLOGERS OUT> > > > THERE.ESPECIALLY IN MAHARASTRA AND NORTH INDIA. ESPECIALLY PUNE.> > > >> > > > Before recommending a nadi astrologer please check whether he is> > > > authentic.> > > >> > > >> > > > , aries <waryaries@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Mr Oak .> > > > > Â> > > > > In Malayalam there is a saying "Ooru arinjale yedu parayu "  -> > > > > Â> > > > > ooru - place,location  ( meaning your exact location )> > > > > Â> > > > > arinjale - if you know> > > > > Â> > > > > Yedu - is another name for Naadi> > > > > Â> > > > > Parayu - tell> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > which translates to "if somebody know you then they will tell you> > > > your naadi " . You are military man and you should not be a proponent> > > > of this baseless "Naadi shastra " , in my experience Naadi reader was> > > > 100% wrong , and he was veermani from pune , who is ranked very high> > > > in the forum .> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > if the personal details match and are 100% past are true , how can> > > > they go wrong with future ?..> > > > > Â> > > > > there may have been good naadi readers in the past but the ones in> > > > Big cities are fake and cheating people , and you are conducting> > > > meetings to honour them . You are writing a lot on this Naadi but have> > > > your ever did any research on this ? other than story of Naadi leaves> > > > > handed over by british to people in tamil naadu . Have you ever> > > > checked these are true ? any docs suggesting this ?> > > > > Â> > > > > Everybody had bad experience with people you have referred on the> > > > website and book . So I request you not to exploit the weakness of> > > > poor souls and entrap with fear so that the crooks can exploit them> > > > easily .> > > > > Â> > > > > Thanks for your understanding .> > > > > Â> > > > > Aries> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > SHASHIKANT OAK <shashikantoak@ >> > > > > Re: FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS> > > > : An Excerpt> > > > > > > > > > Cc: anant.padmanabhan@ , ankush_singh108@ , "naadi astrology"> > > > <>, "Prasad Bankar" <prasadbankar@ >,> > > > "Shyam Chandel" <chandel_shyam@ >, "Thriveni Chandrasekaran"> > > > <venishank@> , "puneet d" <pdswalia@>, "rishikesh deshmukh"> > > > <rishi_nick@ >, "Hari Dharan" <harinomore@ >, gadwayanand@ ,> > > > "Srinivas Kasam" <kasam_sri@> , "harish kumar"> > > > <harish_kumar551@ >, "K. Loganathan" <ulagankmy@> , masihik@,> > > > naadilover@, "Rakesh Nanda" <rakeshnanda@ >, "neha Oak"> > > > <nehaurja@>, "SHASHIKANT OAK" <shashikantoak@ >, "piyush pande"> > > > <piyushpande@ >, planbinc@, "Sandeep Prasad" <sandeeprasad@ >,> > > > "Prof.S.N.Arseculer atne" <chubby@>, pthakurdesai@ , puru@,> > > > "Rajan Rajan" <rajanwho@>, rajas.khaladkar@ , "ana salema"> > > > > <salemana@>, sambandan@, "Dr. John Samuel"> > > > <drjohn_samuel@ >, santoshoak@, sgalitkar@, shashioak@,> > > > sivasamee@, "Son kaushik" <kaushik@>, srivathsam@, subam_ravi@> > > > > Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:18 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The articles on nadi by late Dr.BVN Rao are very elaborate.> > > > > In London in 1970, he delivered a lacture on these Maharshis' work> > > > with pride and boasted to write a book on these compandiums. However> > > > he did not do so. He or persons of his nature do take pride in> > > > Predictions dectated by great Maharishis but in reality, somehow do> > > > not have the same views when it comes to their professional earnings> > > > or work.> > > > > Many astrologers in Maharshtra are more critical than the hardcore> > > > rationalists. May be because of professional competition or rivelary.> > > > > Regrding Bhrugu Samhita of Hoshiar pur, You may have read my> > > > experienes in my book on Naadi Predictions - A mind boggling Miracle.> > > > How they are typically greedy and ruthless to the customers and have> > > > scant respect to Bhuruguji's utterences. There is a vast difference in> > > > the mentalitiy of South and North Indin readers of ancient origine.> > > > > Exception to them is Shri. Shyamacharan Trivediji stationed on Una> > > > Road in Hosiarpur.> > > > >> > > > >  Wing Commander Shashikant Oak. Pune, India.> >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/08, Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Siva Dayaalan <dayalan_a >> > > > > FW: NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS :> > > > An Excerpt> > > > > "" <@ .> > > > com>> > > > > Sunday, 3 August, 2008, 2:19 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > this is fyi.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > NADI READINGS AND ASTROLOGERS : An Excerpt> > > > > Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:18:49> > > > > litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com>> > > > > <>> > > > >> > > > > ( Group, Thought to present this excerpt - Lalit)> > > > >> > > > > NADI ASTROLOGY AND ASTROLOGERS> > > > >> > > > > Dr B.V. Raman, in his auto-biography has on occasion mentioned> > > some of> > > > > his encounters with Nadi Astrologers. Since his observations are> > > quite> > > > > informative we shall examine what he has to say-"Grandfather had> > > given> > > > > me an idea of Nadigranthas and how a Nadi astrologer living near> > his> > > > > residence (in 1905 or so) in Linghi Chetty Street had earned a> > lot of> > > > > money but had died in dire poverty! I was a bit anxious about> > > > > Rajeswari's health [his wife] as she was in andvanced state of> > > > > pregnancy.> > > > >> > > > > Acarya took me to see two Nadi astrologers- -one I think was a> > > Nadar on> > > > > the Royapettah High Road, and the other, a Mudaliar at Egmore.> > > > > Mudaliar's Nadi--Markandeya Nadi--impressed me. He took my Rasi> > chart> > > > > and asked me to come the next day. It was said to be a dialogue in> > > > Tamil> > > > > between sages Vasista and Viswamitra with Goddess Parvati as the> > > > > moderator. Thiruvenkatacharya translated the reading. Of all the> > > Nadis> > > > > and Bhrgu Samhitas--more than 50--I have seen and examined so far,> > > > it is> > > > > only the Markandeya Nadi that has proved to be fairly accurate.> > > For the> > > > > information of my esteemed readers I give below the Nadi reading:"> > > > >> > > > > [The following reading given to Dr Raman is of the typical Nadi> > > format,> > > > > which is rather laconic and subject to sudden digressions. ]> > > > >> > > > > "After describing the planetary positions, the Nadi proceeded> > > > > thus:'Birth place is a city in Karnataka and birth in mother's> > place;> > > > > house facing south; delivery attended by an old dark woman, another> > > > lady> > > > > and a widow; native is eldest. Lord of ascendent Saturn in Venus> > sign> > > > > aspected by Jupiter-fair complexion lean body, ordinary hieght,> > > polite,> > > > > modest, sympathetic, business-like, attentive, no kapatam, has good> > > > > longevity, acquires wide knowledge and will become an impressive> > > > > speaker. He will have frequent travels. Helpful, he will become> > happy> > > > > and surpasses his grandfather. Because Mercury is lord of the> > 5th, he> > > > > becomes a mathematician and acquires high qualifications in> > > astrology.> > > > > His father's case is different. The native is associated with his> > > > > grandfather and will earn much reputation. The lord of the 2nd is> > > > strong> > > > > aspecting the Moon and Saturn. He will have high education and> > > become a> > > > > Pandit. Danger in Saturn Dasa will be overcome and he will live> > up to> > > > > Ketu Dasa.'> > > > >> > > > > All of a sudden the tenth house was taken up by way of a dialogue> > > > > between sages Vashishta and Visvamitra.> > > > >> > > > > Visvamitra: The lord of the 10th is in the 7th with the lord of the> > > > 8th.> > > > > The lord of the 7th is in the sign of the Moon and the Moon is> > in the> > > > > 4th with the lord of the 1st, aspecting the 10th. Lord of the> > 2nd and> > > > > 11th is in the 10th. Therefore he will have no fixed profession. He> > > > will> > > > > do agricultural operations and he will get some profit from> > > agriculture> > > > > and printing. He will enter government service in education and> > > banking> > > > > line. He will face much opposition in business.> > > > >> > > > > Vashishta: Lord of the 10th Mars and Mercury, lord of the 5th, and> > > > Venus> > > > > lord of the 4th and 9th, well placed and Jupiter in the 10th> > > > aspected by> > > > > the lord of the Lagna suggests much success in Sastras. He will> > > become> > > > > learned in Astrology and mathematics and will take to granfather's> > > > > profession. He will study planets, become learned, helping> > mankind by> > > > > knowing several Sastras. He will have a virtuous occupation. He> > will> > > > > publish books, will own cash, will have a prosperous career and> > will> > > > > become famous, will earn international reputation and will add> > to the> > > > > family dignity. Saturn is strong. He will have many rivals but will> > > > > always hold his own. Jupiter aspects Saturn. He will edit books and> > > > > develope a profitable business. Jupiter Dasa will be good for> > > business.> > > > > He will break fresh grounds and will become an institution. In the> > > > > latter half of Jupiter he will become widely respected. In Saturn> > > Dasa> > > > > he will lead an organization having many subordinates. He will> > > secure a> > > > > prominent place and uninterrupted prosperity. He will have> > > > vaksiddhi. He> > > > > will not enter government service but will have association with> > > kings.> > > > > He will lead an independent life, brooking no subordination. Jupiter> > > > and> > > > > Saturn are Yogakarakas> > > > >> > > > > The reading ended abruptly. Most of the future predictions given in> > > > 1935> > > > > have turned out to be correct. I feel this is the only Nadi> > which has> > > > > proved satisfactory. Acarya said that he was happy because the> > > Nadi had> > > > > predicted a bright future for me.> > > > >> > > > > The next encounter was with the Nadar who claimed to be in> > > > possession of> > > > > the Agastya Nadi. When Acharya introduced me to the Nadi owner he> > > > > examined a few leaves and said that the direction in the Nadi was> > > that> > > > > we should come the next day. When we went there at the appointed> > > time,> > > > > the Nadi man examined my right thumb carefully and noted what he> > > called> > > > > an important line on it. On the basis of this line he read from the> > > > palm> > > > > leaves the planetary positions at my birth giving the nakshatra> > > and the> > > > > tithi -->[4]<!--[endif] -->, I was born in. This performance of> > > his in> > > > > tracing my horoscope on the basis of a line on the thumb almost> > > stunned> > > > > me. When I asked the Nadar to explain the method which enable> > him to> > > > > find out the chart, Acharya said in English, 'Don't ask him such> > > > > questions. He will never give out the secret.'> > > > >> > > > > The next morning when we went again to meet him he read out the> > first> > > > > House giving out a general delineation. One of the specific> > > predictions> > > > > made was that within a week my wife would give birth to a son who> > > would> > > > > have madhyayu or medium life. The first part of the prediction was> > > > > fulfilled as a son was born with 10 days.> > > > >> > > > > The Nadi leaves mystified me. What exactly was the basis of> > this? How> > > > > were they able to reveal the past events with such astounding> > > accuracy?> > > > > Why were they kept secret? These questions agitated me for a long> > > time> > > > > until in 1953, a Nadi--to be specific Guru Nadi--gave me the> > > answer. I> > > > > shall have much to say about Nadi granthas in due course."> > > > >> > > > > Next, Dr. Raman briefly decribes his visit to a Bhrgu Sastri in> > > > Benares:> > > > >> > > > > "...Srikanta Sastry led me to the astrologer's house in a by-lane in> > > > the> > > > > old city. As we entered the house, the Samhita reader fairly> > > > advanced in> > > > > age and supporting himself with a staff, greeted us with a smile> > and> > > > > took us to a room stacked with soiled manuscripts arranged in a> > > > > disorderly fashion. After preliminary enquiries and recording my> > > birth> > > > > details, the pandit asked me to meet him the next morning which we> > > did.> > > > > Unlike the majority of Nadi and Samhita readers he appeared to be> > > > > learned. He took out a few notebooks from out of a bundle and> > slowly> > > > > read what purported to be my chart. The reading was in simple> > > Sanskrit,> > > > > and the clarifications if any were provided by Sastry, who himself> > > > was a> > > > > scholar in Sanskrit and knew astrology well. The readings began> > with> > > > > obeisance to Ganesha, Siva, Visnu, the Sun and the Moon.> > > > >> > > > > The reading was said to give the out losses and gains, happiness,> > > > > sorrow, longevity, etc...> > > > >> > > > > It began with the mentioning of my visit to the Samhita astrologer> > > with> > > > > Sasty and my unsuccessful handling of Acarya's horoscope [the> > > beginning> > > > > of the chapter describes how Dr Raman is embarrassed by his poor> > > > showing> > > > > with Acarya's horoscope, the Acarya mentioned is different from> > > > previous> > > > > Acarya] with the consoling remark that I had yet to master> > > Jyotisha and> > > > > gain divine grace. Then it said, giving the chart meaning the Sun> > > is in> > > > > Cancer, Lagna is in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Scorpio--what is the> > > > yoga> > > > > and what are the results? A summary of the reading is herewith given> > > > for> > > > > the information of the reader:> > > > >> > > > > 'He will become a sreshta. He will unravel the future of> > persons. He> > > > > will go into the subtleties of the Sastra. He will become world> > > famous> > > > > by his writings and will be engaged in planetary calculations. He> > > will> > > > > be bold dignified and a man of character. He will be the author of> > > many> > > > > books. He is born in Bharat, in the south, having the name Venkata.'> > > > The> > > > > Samhita went on: 'His mother died in the second year. His wife> > whose> > > > > name commences with ra is born in Makara lagna. He will continue> > his> > > > > studies till he is 23 years old. He will become famous by the> > art of> > > > > grahagananas. Fortunes increases day by day when he will be 35,> > > 38, 48> > > > > and 58. Because of past karmas, in the years 32, 34, 40 and 52> > > > > difficulties occur. There will be the loss of a relative and fear> > > from> > > > > illness. At 48 and again at 58 he will have foreign travel,> > respect,> > > > > felicitation and he follows pure karma. The world acclaims as a> > pious> > > > > soul.'> > > > >> > > > > [The next part of the reading gives interesting information on> > > > > Satyacarya a very famous astrologer who is revered by the likes of> > > > > Varaha Mihira. There is very little known about Satyacarya so this> > > > helps> > > > > to fill the lacuna. This part gives the clue of how to become a> > great> > > > > astrologer, humility.]> > > > >> > > > > He took out another leaf and read: "Satyacarya was a great> > pandit in> > > > > astrology. He had studied everything that was available in astrology> > > > but> > > > > still he felt he was lacking something. He did penance for twelve> > > > years.> > > > > Lord Siva appeared and wanted Satya to ask for a boon. Satyacharya> > > > > explained that though he knew astrology, he felt he was> > defficient in> > > > > something. Granting a boon Lord Siva said, 'Hither to you were a> > > > > Jyotishi (astrologer) but from now on you will be a Daivajna> > > (knower of> > > > > the unknown).' Immediately Satyacarya had a vision of all future> > > births> > > > > and patterns of planetary combinations and he compiled his famous> > > Satya> > > > > Samhita. This young man will also become a Daivajna. Let him> > practice> > > > > humility." It indeed was an eye opener to me that knowledge and> > > > humility> > > > > must go together.> > > > >> > > > > [Lord Krsna defines the neccessary components of knowledge in Gita> > > > > 13.8-12, of which the first two are 'Humility and pridelessness,> > ...'> > > > > something we could all cultivate more of.]> > > > >> > > > > The sun was about to set when the pandit abruptly stopped reading> > > > > further. He wanted us to meet him the next morning.> > > > >> > > > > I was curious to know the basis of the Samhita reading rather than> > > > get a> > > > > reading myself. To the several questions put to the pandit about> > > > > Samhitas, he said: "These ancient Samhitas were written by sages> > > > > thousands of years ago." Stopping him abruptly I remarked:"The> > > Samhita> > > > > in your hands appears to have been written on some sort of> > > > > parchment-like paper. How come you claim for it an age of> > > thousands of> > > > > years?" He calmly answered. "The originals were written probably> > > about> > > > > 2,000 years ago. They were copied from time to time by a select> > > band of> > > > > disciples who knew the secrets of Samhitas. The one in my> > possession> > > > > could be about 300 years old." I examined the leaves carefully and> > > > > thought that they could not be earlier than 100 years. But the> > > grantha> > > > > characters could not be deciphered by me. He took us to another> > room> > > > > where a number of old notebooks, said to be different samhitas, had> > > > been> > > > > kept in a ramshakle wooden cabinet.> > > > >> > > > > Thanking him for the reading, we took leave of the Pandit. Of> > > course we> > > > > could not meet him again as I had to leave for Calcutta the next> > > night.> > > > >> > > > > The forcasts, which ended abruptly, did not say anything about> > > > > longevity, children etc. But whatever it said about the future,> > > > > including the name and Lagna of my wife, could be considered to be> > > > > fairly accurate differing by a year or two in the matter of foreign> > > > > travel, etc ,Next in chapter 25 Dr. Raman briefly mentions that he> > > was> > > > > introduced by a distant relative to one Srinivasacarya, the> > > > possessor of> > > > > the Budha Nadi. He said,"I had a number of meetings with him.> > > > > Srinivasacarya claimed infallibility for his Nadi but I had> > > > > reservations. Budha Nadi had a peculiar method of interpretation. "> > > > >> > > > > He continues this discussion of the Budha Nadi in chapter 27.> > > > >> > > > > "Nadi astrology is a unique system of horoscopic interpretation but> > > > most> > > > > Nadigranthas available on the market are unreliable so far as the> > > > future> > > > > predictions are concerned. The basis of Nadi astrology was> > > revealed to> > > > > me by a Nadi itself in 1952-53 and I shall elaborate on this at the> > > > > appropiate time.> > > > >> > > > > Some of the Nadis are too vague. Under cover of astrology they> > > claim to> > > > > deal with the future while in reality no astrological discussion is> > > > > found. The emphasis is more on past births which can not be> > verified.> > > > > [Note--As a rule of thumb any astrologer (or pyschic etc.) who> > > dwells a> > > > > lot on past lives should be avoided. The reason being that they> > > > probably> > > > > know little of astrology and focus on something that cannot be> > > verified> > > > > thus hiding their ignorance.] The same individual gets different> > > > details> > > > > from different Nadis, so that at best they could be treated as of> > > only> > > > > academic interest. To enable my readers to have an idea of the> > > approach> > > > > of the various Nadis, I have no option but to refer to the> > > delineations> > > > > given by them in respect to my own horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > According to its owner Srinivasachari, the approach of the Budha> > Nadi> > > > > which is the subject matter of this chapter, has a> > distinctiveness of> > > > > its own. My contact with him continued till about 1958-59 when> > he was> > > > > leading a miserable life in a choultry at Mysore. When I first met> > > him> > > > > in 1936, he was overbearing and dismissed me as of no> > consequence. He> > > > > even refused to tell me anything about my horoscope. But life's> > > > > experiences, pleasant and unpleasant have their own lessons to> > > > teach. If> > > > > an arrogant person in dizzy heights is thrown into the abyss he may> > > > > realize the transitory nature of name, fame, position, wealth and> > > > > influence and understand that widom consists in developing from the> > > > > beginning humility, love ...By 1958, Srinivasachari had become> > > > > completely mellowed and he was the personification of humility,> > > > > friendliness and helpful attitude.> > > > >> > > > > From the series of meetings I had with him from 1936 onwards I> > > gathered> > > > > the following information about Nadis. Nadi astrologers in general> > > are> > > > > in distress mentally and financially in the closing periods of> > their> > > > > lives. One should never own a Nadi as it would only spell disaster> > > for> > > > > him and his family. He never revealed why he came to such a> > > conclusion.> > > > > He had married three times. Excepting the last wife with whom he> > was> > > > > then living, the first two had died under tragic circumstances. He> > > felt> > > > > that many of the popular Nadis were based on kshudra mantras [This> > > > means> > > > > a system of propitiating lower base entities. These entities are> > much> > > > > below the level of devatas, it is basically what we would call> > black> > > > > magic.] and unless the ordained practices were correctly> > followed the> > > > > guiding spirit would curse the possessor of the Nadi! He cited the> > > > > example of an astrologer named Narayana Sastry who hailed from> > > > > Chikmagalur. Sastry was rigorously practicing a certain kshudra> > > mantra> > > > > to get 'control' over the deity associated with Sani [saturn]. If he> > > > had> > > > > succeeded in this, he would have been able to correctly say the past> > > > and> > > > > foretell the future accurately upto one year from the date of> > > > > consultation, just on the basis of a Rasi chart. In the last> > stage of> > > > > his penance, when Sastry was reciting the mantra, standing> > > knee-deep in> > > > > the village tank, he saw a beutiful young woman who came to wash> > her> > > > > clothes there. Her charming looks disturbed him and his attention> > > > was so> > > > > diverted that he could no longer concentrate on the image of the> > > deity> > > > > in his mind. Soon after Sastry lost his power of speech and the use> > > > of a> > > > > leg due to paralysis, although he had never obtained the boon of> > > > > prophecy for which had worked so hard.> > > > >> > > > > Of course, I cannot vouchsafe for the authenticity of this> > story, but> > > > > could not also disbelieve Srinivasachari who in the last years> > of his> > > > > life would not lie. He was of the firm opinion that the propitiated> > > > > [kshudra] devata controlling the Nadi would do harm to the reader.> > > > >> > > > > [*********** ********* *****In 1982 I met Srinivasachari' s disciple> > > > R.G.> > > > > Rao....]> > > > >> > > > > [Following this Dr Raman describes a typical Nadi reading but this> > > time> > > > > from the Budha Nadi, since the introductory format is similar to> > > others> > > > > I will skip it and go to more interesting parts. Some of which> > > will be> > > > > incomprehensible unless you are a more advance student of> > > astrology but> > > > > I will include it for the sake of completion. I shall paraphrase to> > > > > reduce the volume of material.]> > > > >> > > > > The Nadi said:" the horosope has Sannyasa Yoga because the lord of> > > > lagna> > > > > and 12th, i.e. Saturn is in nichamsa [debilitated navamsa!].> > This is> > > > > due to a sapa (curse) in the family for the last 17 generations.> > The> > > > > curse will disappear at age 47." The reason for the curse is as> > > > follows.> > > > > Seventeen generation ago while a young student of his guru the> > native> > > > > accidently injured the head of the guru's wife causing her great> > > pain.> > > > > Even though the wife interceded on behalf of the student still the> > > guru> > > > > cursed him.> > > > >> > > > > I found that the deliniation was marked by several> > contradictions. My> > > > > lagna was given an Purvabhadra 2 and the Navamsa lagna as Kumbha, a> > > > > mathematical absurdity. When I question this contradiction the> > reader> > > > > picked up another leaf and exclaimed: "These calculations are> > > according> > > > > to Agastya. However, the exact pada of the lagna 'as revised' is> > > > > Satabhisa 3."> > > > >> > > > > In a desultory mood the Nadi then went on a different tangent by> > > saying> > > > > " that this grantha was written 2400 years ago by a disciple of> > > > Agastya,> > > > > 48th in succession, on the basis of Tattvasastra. The total> > number of> > > > > tatvas is 108. The 46th refers to rasayana sastra (chemisty?)> > and the> > > > > 96th to Vedanta. Budha Nadi authors knew all the tattvas while> > > > > Varahamihira wrote his book without a knowledge of the Tattvas. In> > > > Bhrgu> > > > > Samhita 2646 horoscopes are given with permutations and> > > cominations. In> > > > > Budha Nadi for each Rasi 1800 horoscopes are given. [For a total of> > > > > 21,600 charts.]> > > > >> > > > > Then the Nadi made more remarks that were even less relevant.> > > "Kaliyuga> > > > > 5001 corresponds to Sarvari--actually this will be Vikari, 1899> > > AD--saw> > > > > a dispute among the Saurastrian Brahmins. They divided themselves> > > into> > > > > three sects and the reader of this Nadi belongs to one such sect.> > > > > Saurastra belongs to Cancer."> > > > >> > > > > The Nadi continued: "The native in his previous lives completed> > > > study of> > > > > the 96 Tatva--Vedanta. When he was studying the 45th there was> > > > > obstruction. In his past life he was taught only the 48th and not> > > 46th> > > > > and 47th because of his birth in an apasavya star, Mrgasira 1.> > > When the> > > > > 48th was about to be taught the native died by snake bite. Because> > > the> > > > > serpent (Rahu) is in Guru's house (in his chart), Agastya could not> > > > save> > > > > him." These details were all in Tamil poetry, sonorous to listen> > > to but> > > > > sometimes contradictory and not bearing on the horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > [Now begins the reading. This will be over the heads of beginners> > > but I> > > > > have included it for the sake of completeness and also to give the> > > > > flavor of how a Nadi reading actually goes. They are not perfect> > and> > > > > mistakes are noted. They also give some interesting rules for more> > > > > advanced astrologers. ]> > > > >> > > > > Now begins what purports to be the reading. The Nadi fixed the> > > time of> > > > > my birth as 34 ghatis, 1 vighati....Accordin g to this 'Nadi' "as> > > > Mercury> > > > > is in the 6th--Mercury is actually in the 7th [Dr Raman is> > > pointing out> > > > > the mistake of the Nadi regarding his chart]--longevity stops with> > > > > Mercury lord of the 8th. His longevity will be 74 years 7 months> > and> > > > > 16.5 days." According to this Nadi I should have died by March 24,> > > > 1977.> > > > > [As of this writing, March 20, 1994 Dr Raman is still alive and> > > well.]> > > > >> > > > > "In Navamsa Mars aspects the 4th, 2nd, and 3rd and is in the 8th.> > > > > Therefore the native didn't die in Mars Dasa." [i have always> > > > maintained> > > > > that aspects are applicable in Varga charts while some of my> > esteemed> > > > > collegues like Santanam disagree. Here we see that the Nadi says to> > > > > consider aspects in Navamsa!]> > > > >> > > > > "Jupiter lord of the 2nd and 11th is in the 10th and aspects the> > > > 2nd. If> > > > > he is in the first Amsa, his mother becomes a widow. The lagna is in> > > > the> > > > > 95th pada." At this stage Goddess Parvati is said to intercede and> > > say:> > > > > "Then we should take Mrgasira 1. This is the 17th pada. The 63rd> > from> > > > > this is Kalagnana. If there were planet in Kalagnana he would have> > > died> > > > > after marriage. As the lords of the 12th and the 6th are in one> > sign,> > > > > the former behind the latter and as there is no mutual aspect> > between> > > > > them in the Navamsa, the native has purnayus or full term of life.> > > The> > > > > Nadi suggests a planet in the 84 pada from Saturn's position and> > the> > > > > 97th pada from the Moon gives Balarishta. [We should explain that> > > Pada> > > > > is equal to a quarter nakshatra which in turn is equal to one> > > navamsa.> > > > > There are 27 nakshatras so 27 X 4 = 108 padas, this is the same> > as 12> > > > > signs X 9 navamsas = 108 amsas. Balarishta means death in> > childhood.]> > > > > "Venus is lord of the 4th he is in Makha 3, i.e., the 39th pada.> > The> > > > > 83rd from this is Vainasika. Saturn is in Rohini 1. When Saturn> > > enters> > > > > Rohini 2, the mother dies. The natives point of death (Ayus) is in> > > > Hasta> > > > > 2. When Maraka [death inflicting] planets trasit this point the> > > person> > > > > dies."> > > > >> > > > > Then there are several statements followed by a reference to> > > > > grandfather' s death. [Dr. Raman's grand father B. Suryanarian Rao> > > > was a> > > > > great astrologer and teacher to Dr Raman.] "When Saturn enters> > > > > Uttarabhadra 4, grandfather dies on a Friday. Before the native> > > > > completes Jupiter-Jupiter period every property will have been> > > lost and> > > > > the grandfather will not have a single penny to give. The native> > will> > > > > have all his children born to him before he is 42 years of age."> > > > >> > > > > The mode of directions employed appears to be based on the> > transit of> > > > > major planets in certain padas as reckoned from the padas in which> > > the> > > > > lagna and the planets are situated...> > > > >> > > > > [The text then proceeds with further reading about family using> > more> > > > > prosiac principles of astrology. Dr Raman now observes:]> > > > >> > > > > The general description of the future year-wise was vague and> > has not> > > > > proved quite correct. But the delineation about the birth of> > > > children up> > > > > to the time of consultation was fairly accurate. There was again a> > > jump> > > > > giving some information not bearing on the chart. The Nadi> > explains:> > > > > "There are 84 Rishis. The 6th is Kasyapa. The 72nd is Agastya. He> > > > has 48> > > > > pupils. The last one is named Shesagireesa is the compiler of the> > > Budha> > > > > Nadi. He has made a thorough study of Tatwa sutras."...> > > > >> > > > > [The Nadi continued to go on and speak about his future fame,> > > travels,> > > > > lectures and his destination after death (Rishimandala- -abode> > of the> > > > > sages). The Nadi also spoke about his family life, wife, and> > > children.> > > > > His concluding remark about the reading from Budha Nadi was.]> > > > >> > > > > "Upto this point [in the delineation of the wifes chart], the> > > > > delineation is fairly accurate. Then there is a reference to the> > > > > children's prospects, etc. But they are all off the mark and are> > not> > > > > relavent."> > > > >> > > > > Later in the book Dr Raman discusses his meeting with V.S.N.> > > Sastry an> > > > > astropalmist from Rajahmundry who claimed to have a Bhrgu Nadi.> > > Here Dr> > > > > Raman makes an interesting observation about himself.> > > > >> > > > > "My interest in the Nadi's continued unabated until the sixties,> > > when I> > > > > decided not to waste time or money on hunting after the Nadis."> > > > >> > > > > However at this time his interest was not yet satiated so Dr Raman> > > > had a> > > > > reading and he gives us a sample of what it is like. I shall not> > > > > reproduce it as it is similar to others in style though with out> > > > jumping> > > > > here and there as did Budha Nadi and others. He notes that this Nadi> > > > has> > > > > also failed in predicting his death as he is still alive today well> > > > > after the period of predicted death. He concludes by saying: "The> > > Bhrgu> > > > > Nadi, inspite of...can be considered in accuracy next to the> > > Markandeya> > > > > Nadi about which I have previously written."> > > > >> > > > > OTHER OPINIONS> > > > >> > > > > In the pages of Astrological Magazine from Bangalore, edited by> > B.V.> > > > > Raman, there are monthly discussion on various astrological> > > topics. The> > > > > subject of Nadi astrology will occasionally come up. Here are few> > > > > insights on Nadis from the AM.> > > > >> > > > > "It is a well known fact in Astrology that the old palm leaf> > bundles> > > > > going by the name of Nadi Granthas expound even minute details> > like a> > > > > person's name, parent's name,...In this type of delineation, Nadi> > > > > Granthas follow a unique predictive system of their own, not to be> > > > found> > > > > in the traditional and scientific system of astrology.> > > > >> > > > > This has led some to speculation amongst astrologers that the> > > Nadis are> > > > > based on the works of some spirits or Ksudra Devetas which, by some> > > > > unknown technique, read the thoughts or minds of the native, where> > > the> > > > > past and present upto the moment of consultation have been already> > > > > recorded and they pass it on by communication to the Nadi> > astrologer.> > > > > Further wieght is added to this theory by the fact that the future> > > > > predictions in Nadis rarely prove successful and these speculators> > > > argue> > > > > that since the future is unknown even to the native, this> > happens so.> > > > > [sic, the spirit thus can't read his future.] These Nadis and> > > Samhitas> > > > > have a charm and fascination over people. But a lot of> > information on> > > > > the techniques of prediction can be had from a study of some of the> > > > > readings given in them..."> > > > >> > > > > It seems that N. Sundara Rajan doesn't believe in the> > 'speculations'> > > > > about the Nadis as being very convincing other wise he would not be> > > > > interested in astrological information gleaned from them. My own> > > > teacher> > > > > Sashi Kanta Jain and his sons, were also accused of having a karna> > > > > pisacha an evil spirit who would whisper the secrets into their> > ears> > > > > about the past, present and future of an individual. The reason> > being> > > > > that Sashi Kant Jain had an astounding reputation as an astrologer,> > > > even> > > > > able to know in advance what the client would ask, and then answer> > > the> > > > > question before the question was asked. Ignorant people, not knowing> > > > the> > > > > principles of astrology might think it was due to black magic> > simply> > > > > because they were unable to conceive of how he could know such> > > things.> > > > >> > > > > This of course doesn't mean that there aren't persons who use> > ksudra> > > > > devetas to read minds or know the future. There are as we have seen> > > > from> > > > > B.V. Raman's testimony.> > > > >> > > > > Next V.A.K Ayer, a noted scholar, points a few of the astrological> > > > > foundations of the Nadis.> > > > >> > > > > "Let us be clear in our premise. What we call Nadi literature for> > > this> > > > > inquiry are those written in Sanskrit, e.g., Dhruva Nadi, Canda> > Kala> > > > > Nadi and Bhrgu Nadi. [He doesn't include Nadis in other languages> > > such> > > > > as Tamil.]> > > > >> > > > > ...the word Nadi appears to be used in the sense of a small unit of> > > > time> > > > > or its corresponding arc of the zodiac, which, however, varies> > in its> > > > > measure with different schools and among the Nadi-amsas in one> > school> > > > > itself in some cases.> > > > >> > > > > Secondly the prefixes in the names of the schools or systems> > > appear to> > > > > give a clue to the parameters employed for predictive purposes as> > > will> > > > > be presently demonstrated. The word Candra Kala for instance is a> > > > > samgnya for 16; so is Dhruva, a synonym for 5, as it means Siva,> > > > Brahma,> > > > > etc. It has been found that the Candra Kala Nadi uses the> > Parasarian> > > > > shodasa (16) vargas and the Dhruva Nadi only uses five planetary> > > vargas> > > > > [of the 16] for their parameters.. .> > > > >> > > > > The first impression one gets [of the Dhruva Nadi] on its> > perusal is> > > > > that (i) its treatment is thoroughly scientific; (ii)systematic and> > > > > (iii) based on well understood principles of astrology. Some of its> > > > > basic tenets are often repeated in the text readings. Here they> > are:> > > > >> > > > > 'Lagna is three-fold:first, based on conception; second,> > emergence of> > > > > the head and third, the body touching the earth. All three> > should be> > > > > taken into account for prediction.'> > > > >> > > > > [The first is called pre-natal epoch. This is only possible to know> > > > in a> > > > > society where sexual practices are seen as sacred and thus> > > regulated by> > > > > purificatory rites such as the garbhodhana samskara. In this age of> > > > > licentious, sensuality and instant gratification it would be the> > rare> > > > > person who could determine which sexual act would be responsible for> > > > the> > > > > conception of a child. What to speak of know the eact time of> > > > conception> > > > > or in actual terms the depositing of the sperm by ejaculation into> > > the> > > > > womb. Because of these difficulties prenatal epoch is not done.> > > Though> > > > > it is easy to calculate when the head first emerges, still for all> > > > > practical purposes it is the third criterion bhupatana touching the> > > > > earth, i.e. seperation from the mothers body, which is taken as the> > > > time> > > > > of birth by almost all astrologers. ]> > > > >> > > > > 'One should predict the future according to Vasishta (Samhita); the> > > > past> > > > > by Gargya and the present by Jaimini.'> > > > >> > > > > Dhruva Nadi makes good use of planetary Samayas too for prediction;> > > > > Samayas, as is well-known, differ in different systems. It is> > not yet> > > > > determined what school it belongs to.> > > > >> > > > > [samayas-also called Samanyas in my astrology program-are a> > method of> > > > > determining the mood of the planets by taking into account which> > > > > nakshatra a planet is in, counting it from lagna etc. There are> > > various> > > > > formulas to calculate this. These will be explained JYO201.]> > > > >> > > > > 'One suffers physical and mental discomfort when Saturn transits> > the> > > > > longitudes of the lords of the 6th, the 8th and the 12th, and he> > > > > afflicts those Bhavas that he tenants and aspects.' [by> > longitude is> > > > > meant exact degree within a certain orb. Transits as an analytical> > > > > method will be covered in JYO301.]...> > > > >> > > > > HOW THE NADI AMSA IS CHOSEN IN DHRUVA NADI> > > > >> > > > > Having thus had a quick glance at some of the basic principles of> > > > > prediction in this Nadi, we shall examine the parameters employed in> > > > the> > > > > choice of the Nadi-amsas. Fortunately Vasishtha invariably defines> > > each> > > > > Nadi-amsa in the the body of the prediction. Let us take some> > > examples:> > > > > Says he of Kusumamsa in Aries Lagna:> > > > >> > > > > Kusumamsa falls in Aries Rasi, Sun's Hora, Leo Drekkana, Cancer> > > Navamsa> > > > > and Jupiter Trimsamsa. -->[12]<!--[ endif]--> Degree wise they are> > > > > respectively [in the sign of Aries] 0o to 30o; 0o to 15o; 10o to> > 20o;> > > > > 10o to 13o 20' and 10o to 18o. The common factor among them is> > 10o to> > > > > 13o 20'. This then is the range of Kusumamsa Nadi and five> > vargas are> > > > > employed. While predicting, this Nadi-amsa is considered in two> > > halves,> > > > > the first and second, where horoscopes with different planetary> > > > > configurations are delineated.> > > > >> > > > > In a similar way the Candra Kali Nadi chooses its Nadi except that> > > > > instead of using only five vargas it employs all sixteen of the> > > > > shodasavargas. By such method a total of 150 Nadi-amasas are> > found in> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi, each of them with its own name. [All of which are> > > > > different synonyms of Durga.]> > > > >> > > > > These Nadi-amsas are counted in the given order in movable> > signs; in> > > > > reverse order in the fixed signs signs and from the 76th onward in> > > the> > > > > dual signs.> > > > >> > > > > The first Nadi-amsa is called Vasudhamsa 0o to 0o 12'; Vaishnavi> > > > from 0o> > > > > 12' to 0o 24', etc.> > > > >> > > > > In Candra Kala Nadi too each Nadi-amsa is divided in two halves and> > > > > different horoscopes with different planetary configurations are> > > > > delineated.. .In nomenclature the names of the Nadi-amsas in Druva> > > Nadi> > > > > have a flavour of the Parasariyan genre whereas in Candra Kala Nadi> > > > they> > > > > are typically Keraliyan as can be seen from paralle works like> > Skanda> > > > > Sarirekha where similar names are given to rekhas (lines) all over> > > the> > > > > body..."> > > > >> > > > > In this article just cited Sri Ayer has unearthed some valuable> > clues> > > > > about the Nadi system. As can be seen the Nadis, even though having> > > > been> > > > > extant for thousands of years, a still posing a serious puzzle> > to the> > > > > astrological community. A lot of interest has been generated of> > > late in> > > > > these texts and recently R. Sathanam has published a translation of> > > > > Candra Kala Nadi in three volumes.> > > > >> > > > > Before leaving the Nadis I want to introduce a little controversy> > > > > concerning Bhrghu Samita Panditas of Hoshiarpur. The following is a> > > > > article by Surinder Awasti of The Times of India News Service. It> > > > > appeared on January 13, 1994.> > > > >> > > > > ASTROLOGY MAKES THEIR FORTUNE.> > > > >> > > > > HOSHIARPUR:> > > > >> > > > > About half a dozen families here are making a fortune out of> > fortune> > > > > telling. Their only asset is that they possess the mythical Bhrgu> > > > > Samhita which is said to be a compilation of all possible human> > > > > horoscopes, including those of people yet to be born.> > > > >> > > > > The soiled pages of the Samhita are siad to reveal the name,> > > parentage,> > > > > and the number of siblings-as wells as their names in past and> > future> > > > > lives. Remedial measure are also suggested to forestall> > > misfortunes and> > > > > calamities.> > > > >> > > > > Apparently, there is no shortage of clients, but these families are> > > > > engaged in feud, each claiming to have the more authentic version of> > > > the> > > > > Samhita.> > > > >> > > > > One clan comprises two grandsons--Mr. Ratish Kumar and Mr. Ram> > > > > Kumar--and two daughters-in- law Mrs Sneh(a) Amritan and Mrs Satish> > > > > Janardan--of the late Pandit Des raj, a Sanskrit scholar. He> > > reportedly> > > > > found some leaves of the manuscript with a raddiwala (?) in Jhelum> > > > > district, now in Pakistan. Aware of its immense value, he> > > purchased the> > > > > entire manuscript, weighing over 40 maunds (about 1600 kg).> > > > >> > > > > The other clan, comprising Mr. Ved Praksh and three related> > families,> > > > > dismiss this story. They say the manuscript on bhuj patra was> > > > located in> > > > > Nepal during the reign of Akbar. About 100 Sanskrit scholars were> > > then> > > > > sent to copy the Samhita. Over a period, the leaves of the precious> > > > > almanac were divided among the hiers, passing on to the present> > > > > generation.> > > > >> > > > > NOT ANCIENT: The unsubtantiated story explains why the manuscript> > > is in> > > > > different handwritings and the paper is only a few hundred years> > old.> > > > > According to legend, the sage Bhrigu compiled it 5,000 years> > ago. Mr.> > > > > Ved Prakash says his ancestors had handed over the useless> > > portions of> > > > > the manuscript to Pt. Des Raj.> > > > >> > > > > He explained how a portion of the Samhita became unusable.> > > According to> > > > > myth, Bhrgu had misbehaved with Visnu inviting a curse from the> > > goddess> > > > > Laxmi that his voluminous Samhita would lose its mystical value.> > But> > > > > later, Visnu overturned the curse and assured the sage that his> > > > writings> > > > > henceforth would be unaffected.> > > > >> > > > > But Bhrgu's work before and after the curse got mixed up. Mr. Ved> > > > > Prakash says his ancestors identified some of the doubtful> > > portions and> > > > > passed it on. The myth of the curse is also useful to pacify clients> > > > who> > > > > complain that the predictions are not true.> > > > >> > > > > Asked who their clients are the stock-reply is, "Who's not?" The> > list> > > > > comprises national leaders, including Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh,> > > S.K.> > > > > Patil and Mr Zail Singh, film stars such as Hema Malini and> > > Dharmendra,> > > > > Sanjay Dutt and Mithun Chakravorty; or singer Mehandi Hassan of> > > > Pakistan> > > > > or author Amrita Pritam of Punjab. The soothsayers say that> > > > Bhindranwale> > > > > and some terrorists, too, had sought readings from them.> > > > >> > > > > Scholars, of course, contest the claims of the astrologers. Dr. Jai> > > > > Narain Sharma, a professor of Vedic studies at Punjab University,> > > says> > > > > family details are obtained from either the client or another> > source.> > > > > The secret of their success is that they have a huge collection of> > > > > horoscopes based on different celestial configurations.> > > > >> > > > > NEXT VISIT: Dr Sharma says that a client is not given a reading on> > > his> > > > > first visit. Before his next appointment they try and locate a> > > > horoscope> > > > > from their collections most in keeping with what is known. If> > > something> > > > > suitable is not available, the plea taken is that less than 20% of> > > the> > > > > entire volume is now extant. And if the predictions are wrong> > > there are> > > > > always the "apocryphal portions," says Dr. Sharma.> > > > >> > > > > Dr Sharma also says that scholars have not been permitted to examine> > > > the> > > > > the manuscript. Only family members can have access. The girls> > > employed> > > > > to trace the horoscopes only handle the index, says Mr Ram> > Kumar. He> > > > > refused to show this correspondent the entire 40-maund or even its> > > > > picture. All he displayed were some pages in polythene envelopes.> > > > >> > > > > But there is no gainsaying that these families have flourished. "We> > > > earn> > > > > a lot, though the monthly amount varies," says Mrs Janardan.> > This is> > > > > true of all the soothsayers and their palatial houses confirm it.> > > > >> > > > > There is only one practicing astrologer in each family, while the> > > rest> > > > > add to the family fortunes in other ways. One couple resides in the> > > > U.S.> > > > > where they own a department store.> > > > >> > > > > _________> > > > >> > > > > by Shyamasundara Das> > > > >> > > > >