Knowledge on Sastra/ akash tatva

May 10, 2008

Dear Sir

Please keep posting your thoughts as I find them to be enlightening and these also keep reminding me that it is going to be long journey for me.

Regards.

Vivek Khurana

From: saggarwal_4Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:34:48 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …

Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you found the post worth a read. I thank you for your kind words.BTW, someone was mentioning something about nadi sastras and its meaning. sastra is 'sa' + 'astra'. 'Sa' means 'breath'. 'Astra' means weapon. So 'Sastra' is the 'breathing weapon'. One who knows how to wield ones breath is true knower of sastras (scriptures). Sastras are not to be learnt and recited like a parrot from some external text book. There are to be found in akash tatva. More if there is interest. Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Absolutely true. However, I would request you to calm down and forgive and forget.> > May be this was the Almighty's way of making you the medium to give knowledge to me. I have found the text written below to be extremely interesting and please don't mind if I write to you directly.> > Best Regards.> > Vivek> > > : svc_astro: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:27 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Rishi/Vivek, Namaste. Thank you for the concurrence. The problem nowadays is that most folks act as if they have taken the responsibility to change every , every website and that they are the God given gift to mankind. This just shows that their 'I' is established firmly. What they do not realize is that an act of giving, a kind word, a grateful deed, proper use of courteous language will go a long way in burning their karma & building a healthy relationship with the divine. Use of aggressive words is a sign of weakness, insecurity & one of leading a unharmonious life. Coming back to the subject proper viz. "Nadi Astrology". As per my anubhava nadi shabda has its roots in nas (nerves). Literally nadi means 'nerves'. Connecting it with Nadi Astrology, is is Saturn that rules nadis. Saturn exalts in tula rasi. Tula represents the balance. Saturn is connected with vayu in panchanga. Remember Lagna is twacha (vayu tatva), 2nd bhava is netra (agni tatva), 3rd is karana (ears; akaasha), 4th is nasika (nose; kshiti tatwa) and 5th is jihba (tongue; apo tatva). Saturn is connected with nakshatra. Mangal with vaara. Guru with akasha. Budha (mercury) with karana and Shukra with thithi as per panchanga classification. Let me post some thoughts on jeeva nadi & connection with astrology as I have some time today and am back from temple activities. We said above that Saturn rules nadi. Meaning the connection with vayu element (breath; prana) is apparent. There are 3 prominent nadis viz. ida, pingala and sushumna which are in the sookshma shareera. The svara (breath) either flows through ida or pingala in a jiva. This gives delusion, illusion & error. The whole aim is to balance the breath and allow it to flow through the central nadi system called sushumna. Once the breath begins to flow through the central channel one begins to get guru anubhava and the nada dhvani begins to emanate from antahkarana. Sound is a function of akash tatva. This is the true jeeva nadi. It is through this madhyam that the maharishis communicate to the intended sishya (nadi reader) to give a jeeva nadi reading. We must check up Saturn in both rasi and amsa to see link with jeeva nadi from poorva janma. Jeeva nadi reading is direct communication channel (sushumna breathing) with the uplink (divine). This kind of reading is given to a jeeva who is moving from a state of tamas (ignorance; darkness) to jyoti (light). Again, it is the maharishi who pulls the jeeva to give the reading and is not done so as per the desire of the jeeva. In simpler words in no way do we have any say in anything in this cosmos. We are a reflection of our karma. When the time is right, the karma is exhausted to a certain bandwidth, the guru will reveal to us in the form of jeeva nadi reading or materialising or anyother means for that matter. This means that it is pointless abandon our daily effort in search for the unknown through nadi leaves and nadi readings. Maharishis do not entertain abandonment of karma for momentary gratification of senses through self desired nadi readings. Nadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. This is what I had written (implied) in my previous postings to the group which Mr. Rohit point blank abused me for. I took it that he did not understand a word. I remained increasingly courteous to him. He responded back by being aggressive not only to me but to one and all. I still wish him the all the best with all my heart and pray that God give him the buddhi to be kind to one and all. With that I rest my case and hope that there is increasing courteousness and lesser finger pointing & agressiveness on the group. Let us all thank the moderator/creator of this group for giving us a brilliant platform to discuss. Let us also thank Shri Shashikant Ji for a wonderful book that he has donated to mankind. Let us thank the makers of the website for providing all of us a wonderful medium to get newer research information. Every inch of knowledge that is received from any source must be appreciated and thanked for..That is how it should be. Best Wishes. , "Rishi Prasad" <rishiprasad@> wrote:>> namaskar,> i would tend to agree with svc. even if my views are not in sync with that> of others, it is hardly appropriate to go on the offensive as rohit has done> and get abusive in the manner that he has done. vivek also seems to hold the> same point of view. i would really request everyone to not use this> platform-to which i am absolutely new-as a means of showing their online> muscle or aggression. lets just talk astrology and try and learn from each> other.i am a professional astrologer based in delhi. but i am not looking> for work through this group. i would simply be happy to share the little> knowledge i have with anyone who might be helped by it.> regards,> rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > 2008/5/9 svc_astro <svc_astro@>:> > > Namaste. All topics are related to TRUTH. EKAM SATYA. Is it not?!> > Seems like I irritated you and you felt bad about the posting that> > was made. I am sorry if you felt that way. Please contemplate more> > and try to understand the post that was made rather than take things> > personally. You seem to be an emotional person who jumps at> > everything.> >> > MODERATOR: Is this kind of outburst/abuse allowed on this group? I am> > hoping folks like this person are more courteous in their exchange of> > words & use of language.> >> > Best Wishes.> >> > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@> wrote:> > >> > > What rubbish is this Mr. Astro??> > > Can you tell me tell me single sentence out of all the 25 lines> > you have written which is related to the topic I have posted here? I> > have seen your previous posts also, you reply to the posts with the> > rubbish which is not related to the topic which was going on. If you> > want to post your philosophy why don't you start a new thread and> > invite others to comment on it. Just because you want others to> > notice you and make you feel important why rattle a philosophy which> > kills the good topic started by others.> > >> > > My topic was about past life predictions given by even road side> > tellers and common people including beggars and wanted members to> > think about it how it's possible and give their views. Can you tell> > me whether you have read my post at least, if yes, have you got it> > what it's saying? I have asked to ponder on this topic, not on your> > life's philosophy. Please post a new message next time you want to> > say something good to the forum.> > > Thanks> > >> > >> > > svc_astro <svc_astro@> wrote: >>>All comments are> > welcome.> > >> > > Namaste. Thank you for giving an opportunity to ponder & express.> > > Future is food for the mind. Past is akin to looking in the rear> > > view mirror and driving. Can you drive by looking at the rear view> > > mirror?! A true yogi is changing his bhagya (destiny) every single> > > breath (kshana). This is how sadhana is: the more you receive, the> > > more you want to do sadhana. Fruit is given as the process takes> > > place. You constantly want to make a greater & greater effort. But> > > let me tell you , it doesnt become easier. If you think the more> > > sadhana you do, the easier it will get you are wrong. The more> > > sadhana you do, the more difficult it gets..but it is more> > exciting.> > >> > > Do not worry about past or future in the form of nadi readings.> > Live> > > in the moment, the present. In this moment is the possibility of> > > attaining THAT..Even though Self is fully manifest within us, it> > > only thru awakening of Shakti and the process of sadhana that it is> > > revealed. Guru is trikalagyaani. It is your destiny that brings you> > > to the Guru to receive shaktipat, but then you must make the right> > > self effort to cultivate golden virtues. Without action there can> > be> > > no jnaana. The crux of the matter is that nothing comes easily. You> > > have to work for it; you have to put the effort. It is as simple as> > > that. Nadi reading or not, past or future, whatever, it does not> > > matter..You must make the effort!!> > >> > > Best Wishes.> > >> > > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > >> > > > There seems to be general feeling of thrill in this forum with> > > regards to 100 percent accuracy of past predictions given by naadi> > > readers. This past accuracy induces the trust in seekers mind> > > towards the naadi reader. I would like to mention that I am not at> > > all amazed by this past predictions thing. I have through this> > > before accidently many times, but I am not sure of the> > > technicalities behind this accuracy.> > > >> > > >> > > > There have been many stories told my mom, how some person came> > > for begging in the afternoon while I was away in school and how he> > > said many thing about our home ( your husband working here, how> > many> > > sons, daughters, son now in school, including some of the things> > > like yesterday you fought, your son came top in exams etc ). But> > > these sadhus or sometimes plain beggars can't tell anything about> > > future. Sometimes they even fool the people into giving them cash.> > > My mom got fooled once. They even know how much amount is there> > > right now in the house. I once encountered this kind of person in> > my> > > college times and drove him away.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > My recent experience: I had a visit to Hyderabad to my relatives> > > place around 1 yr back. We were sitting in veranda when such person> > > came across for begging. He was dressed like half sadhu, He started> > > rattling same thing, all accurate to my aunt and mom. I was> > > surprised but we have seen this before and it was not big deal. We> > > gave him 2 rupees and ask him to please go next door bluntly. We> > > went away silently.> > > >> > > >> > > > In my school days, when I visited my village, I remember vaguely> > > people used to come with bulls ( who were decorated and colored )> > on> > > Makar Sankranthi , stand in front of house and used to tell some> > > predictions like this before taking dhaan ( Usually raw rice ,> > > pulses etc). If I remember correctly bull so some kind of dance by> > > waving their heads and their language of poetic. It was fun for us.> > > Of course those predictions were accurate with regards to past.> > > >> > > >> > > > I am not sure what's behind all this, may be experienced members> > > can throw light on this. All naadi readers I have visited told only> > > about my name, parent's name, date of birth etc. However above> > > people went great lengths into the past. All comments are welcome.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Rohit> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. Try it now.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > > > > > > > ________> Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos.> http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in> CoolHotmail : Your crazy personality deserves a unique email identity like yourname. Choose from this and hundreds other unique email ids now Try it!

May 10, 2008

Dear Vivek,

Namaste. I am happy that you are enjoying. Shall I continue some more?

All wisdom & event are in nitya (permanent) sthiti & are recorded in

akash tatva (eteric records). This akash is what we call as 'etheric'

in the english language. These etheric records (includes jeeva nadi

granthas) can be directly contacted by any advanced sage or rishi in

any clime or age. For example the whole history & life of Raja

Bharata could be perceived fully by Vyasa when he conceived

mahabharata and decided to write the epic as a spiritual allegory

based on historical facts & persona.

So how does jeeva nadi work? Let us take example of Arjuna. Whenever

Arjuna questions bhagwan (jeeva nadi reader poses query to

maharishi), it is to be understood that the meditating sadhaka by

silent thoughts is in deep communion with God (krsna). Any advanced

devotee can translate into words of any language the silent communion

between his soul and God. So vyasa reproduced the inner anubhava

between his soul and God as the dialogue which is now popularly known

as bhagavad gita. In simpler words the dialogue between an awakened

soul and the omnipresent preceptor who is also fondly known as sree

krsna. I hope you understood the implied allegory between jeeva nadi

reader and his Guru , the maharishi given here.

In my anubhava jeeva nadi gurus have definite conrol over their

breath which is also called as swara (sa+astra = sastra is breathing

weapon). That is why you will find certain jeeva nadi gurus are found

to be levitating while giving the reading. Why levitation? Levitation

is a siddhi that comes by conquering the udana vayu (refer patanjali

sutras). One who has control over their breath, has connection with

maharishi through punya karma, is chosen by the maharishi in a

certain life as a designated jeevanadi reader to assit jeevas on

prithwi loka to help breakaway from darkness into bliss of atma

jyoti. he can access etheric records at anytime based on the siddhi

bestowed. At every moment the jeevanadi gurus dharma is to help

jeevas and not indulge in material gain. This way he is also breaking

his karmic cycle of life & death. It is a deep & divine play

controlled by the maharishis which must be thoroughly appreciated

and not discounted. More later.

Best Wishes.

, Vivek Khurana

<vivekkhurana wrote:

>

> Dear Sir

>

> Please keep posting your thoughts as I find them to be enlightening

and these also keep reminding me that it is going to be long journey

for me.

>

> Regards.

>

> Vivek Khurana

>

> : Fri, 9 May 2008 21:34:48 +0000Subject:

Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to

ponder on …

>

> Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you found the post worth a

read. I thank you for your kind words.BTW, someone was mentioning

something about nadi sastras and its meaning. sastra is 'sa'

+ 'astra'. 'Sa' means 'breath'. 'Astra' means weapon. So 'Sastra' is

the 'breathing weapon'. One who knows how to wield ones breath is

true knower of sastras (scriptures). Sastras are not to be learnt and

recited like a parrot from some external text book. There are to be

found in akash tatva. More if there is interest. Best Wishes.--- In

, Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@>

wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Absolutely true. However, I would request you

to calm down and forgive and forget.> > May be this was the

Almighty's way of making you the medium to give knowledge to me. I

have found the text written below to be extremely interesting and

please don't mind if I write to you directly.> > Best Regards.> >

Vivek> > > @: svc_astro@: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:27

+0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big

deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Rishi/Vivek, Namaste.

Thank you for the concurrence. The problem nowadays is that most

folks act as if they have taken the responsibility to change every

, every website and that they are the God given gift to

mankind. This just shows that their 'I' is established firmly. What

they do not realize is that an act of giving, a kind word, a grateful

deed, proper use of courteous language will go a long way in burning

their karma & building a healthy relationship with the divine. Use of

aggressive words is a sign of weakness, insecurity & one of leading a

unharmonious life. Coming back to the subject proper viz. " Nadi

Astrology " . As per my anubhava nadi shabda has its roots in nas

(nerves). Literally nadi means 'nerves'. Connecting it with Nadi

Astrology, is is Saturn that rules nadis. Saturn exalts in tula rasi.

Tula represents the balance. Saturn is connected with vayu in

panchanga. Remember Lagna is twacha (vayu tatva), 2nd bhava is netra

(agni tatva), 3rd is karana (ears; akaasha), 4th is nasika (nose;

kshiti tatwa) and 5th is jihba (tongue; apo tatva). Saturn is

connected with nakshatra. Mangal with vaara. Guru with akasha. Budha

(mercury) with karana and Shukra with thithi as per panchanga

classification. Let me post some thoughts on jeeva nadi & connection

with astrology as I have some time today and am back from temple

activities. We said above that Saturn rules nadi. Meaning the

connection with vayu element (breath; prana) is apparent. There are 3

prominent nadis viz. ida, pingala and sushumna which are in the

sookshma shareera. The svara (breath) either flows through ida or

pingala in a jiva. This gives delusion, illusion & error. The whole

aim is to balance the breath and allow it to flow through the central

nadi system called sushumna. Once the breath begins to flow through

the central channel one begins to get guru anubhava and the nada

dhvani begins to emanate from antahkarana. Sound is a function of

akash tatva. This is the true jeeva nadi. It is through this madhyam

that the maharishis communicate to the intended sishya (nadi reader)

to give a jeeva nadi reading. We must check up Saturn in both rasi

and amsa to see link with jeeva nadi from poorva janma. Jeeva nadi

reading is direct communication channel (sushumna breathing) with the

uplink (divine). This kind of reading is given to a jeeva who is

moving from a state of tamas (ignorance; darkness) to jyoti (light).

Again, it is the maharishi who pulls the jeeva to give the reading

and is not done so as per the desire of the jeeva. In simpler words

in no way do we have any say in anything in this cosmos. We are a

reflection of our karma. When the time is right, the karma is

exhausted to a certain bandwidth, the guru will reveal to us in the

form of jeeva nadi reading or materialising or anyother means for

that matter. This means that it is pointless abandon our daily effort

in search for the unknown through nadi leaves and nadi readings.

Maharishis do not entertain abandonment of karma for momentary

gratification of senses through self desired nadi readings. Nadi

reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to.

This is what I had written (implied) in my previous postings to the

group which Mr. Rohit point blank abused me for. I took it that he

did not understand a word. I remained increasingly courteous to him.

He responded back by being aggressive not only to me but to one and

all. I still wish him the all the best with all my heart and pray

that God give him the buddhi to be kind to one and all. With that I

rest my case and hope that there is increasing courteousness and

lesser finger pointing & agressiveness on the group. Let us all thank

the moderator/creator of this group for giving us a brilliant

platform to discuss. Let us also thank Shri Shashikant Ji for a

wonderful book that he has donated to mankind. Let us thank the

makers of the website for providing all of us a wonderful medium to

get newer research information. Every inch of knowledge that is

received from any source must be appreciated and thanked for..That is

how it should be. Best Wishes.--- In

, " Rishi Prasad " <rishiprasad@>

wrote:>> namaskar,> i would tend to agree with svc. even if my views

are not in sync with that> of others, it is hardly appropriate to go

on the offensive as rohit has done> and get abusive in the manner

that he has done. vivek also seems to hold the> same point of view. i

would really request everyone to not use this> platform-to which i am

absolutely new-as a means of showing their online> muscle or

aggression. lets just talk astrology and try and learn from each>

other.i am a professional astrologer based in delhi. but i am not

looking> for work through this group. i would simply be happy to

share the little> knowledge i have with anyone who might be helped by

it.> regards,> rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > 2008/5/9 svc_astro

<svc_astro@>:> > > Namaste. All topics are related to TRUTH. EKAM

SATYA. Is it not?!> > Seems like I irritated you and you felt bad

about the posting that> > was made. I am sorry if you felt that way.

Please contemplate more> > and try to understand the post that was

made rather than take things> > personally. You seem to be an

emotional person who jumps at> > everything.> >> > MODERATOR: Is this

kind of outburst/abuse allowed on this group? I am> > hoping folks

like this person are more courteous in their exchange of> > words &

use of language.> >> > Best Wishes.> >> > --- In

<%40>,> >

~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@> wrote:> > >> > > What rubbish is this Mr.

Astro??> > > Can you tell me tell me single sentence out of all the

25 lines> > you have written which is related to the topic I have

posted here? I> > have seen your previous posts also, you reply to

the posts with the> > rubbish which is not related to the topic which

was going on. If you> > want to post your philosophy why don't you

start a new thread and> > invite others to comment on it. Just

because you want others to> > notice you and make you feel important

why rattle a philosophy which> > kills the good topic started by

others.> > >> > > My topic was about past life predictions given by

even road side> > tellers and common people including beggars and

wanted members to> > think about it how it's possible and give their

views. Can you tell> > me whether you have read my post at least, if

yes, have you got it> > what it's saying? I have asked to ponder on

this topic, not on your> > life's philosophy. Please post a new

message next time you want to> > say something good to the forum.> >

> Thanks> > >> > >> > > svc_astro <svc_astro@> wrote: >>>All comments

are> > welcome.> > >> > > Namaste. Thank you for giving an

opportunity to ponder & express.> > > Future is food for the mind.

Past is akin to looking in the rear> > > view mirror and driving. Can

you drive by looking at the rear view> > > mirror?! A true yogi is

changing his bhagya (destiny) every single> > > breath (kshana). This

is how sadhana is: the more you receive, the> > > more you want to do

sadhana. Fruit is given as the process takes> > > place. You

constantly want to make a greater & greater effort. But> > > let me

tell you , it doesnt become easier. If you think the more> > >

sadhana you do, the easier it will get you are wrong. The more> > >

sadhana you do, the more difficult it gets..but it is more> >

exciting.> > >> > > Do not worry about past or future in the form of

nadi readings.> > Live> > > in the moment, the present. In this

moment is the possibility of> > > attaining THAT..Even though Self is

fully manifest within us, it> > > only thru awakening of Shakti and

the process of sadhana that it is> > > revealed. Guru is

trikalagyaani. It is your destiny that brings you> > > to the Guru to

receive shaktipat, but then you must make the right> > > self effort

to cultivate golden virtues. Without action there can> > be> > > no

jnaana. The crux of the matter is that nothing comes easily. You> > >

have to work for it; you have to put the effort. It is as simple as>

> > that. Nadi reading or not, past or future, whatever, it does not>

> > matter..You must make the effort!!> > >> > > Best Wishes.> > >> >

> <%

40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > >

> Dear Members,> > > >> > > >> > > > There seems to be general

feeling of thrill in this forum with> > > regards to 100 percent

accuracy of past predictions given by naadi> > > readers. This past

accuracy induces the trust in seekers mind> > > towards the naadi

reader. I would like to mention that I am not at> > > all amazed by

this past predictions thing. I have through this> > > before

accidently many times, but I am not sure of the> > > technicalities

behind this accuracy.> > > >> > > >> > > > There have been many

stories told my mom, how some person came> > > for begging in the

afternoon while I was away in school and how he> > > said many thing

about our home ( your husband working here, how> > many> > > sons,

daughters, son now in school, including some of the things> > > like

yesterday you fought, your son came top in exams etc ). But> > >

these sadhus or sometimes plain beggars can't tell anything about> >

> future. Sometimes they even fool the people into giving them cash.>

> > My mom got fooled once. They even know how much amount is there>

> > right now in the house. I once encountered this kind of person

in> > my> > > college times and drove him away.> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > > My recent experience: I had a visit to Hyderabad to my

relatives> > > place around 1 yr back. We were sitting in veranda

when such person> > > came across for begging. He was dressed like

half sadhu, He started> > > rattling same thing, all accurate to my

aunt and mom. I was> > > surprised but we have seen this before and

it was not big deal. We> > > gave him 2 rupees and ask him to please

go next door bluntly. We> > > went away silently.> > > >> > > >> > >

> In my school days, when I visited my village, I remember vaguely> >

> people used to come with bulls ( who were decorated and colored )>

> on> > > Makar Sankranthi , stand in front of house and used to tell

some> > > predictions like this before taking dhaan ( Usually raw

rice ,> > > pulses etc). If I remember correctly bull so some kind of

dance by> > > waving their heads and their language of poetic. It was

fun for us.> > > Of course those predictions were accurate with

regards to past.> > > >> > > >> > > > I am not sure what's behind all

this, may be experienced members> > > can throw light on this. All

naadi readers I have visited told only> > > about my name, parent's

name, date of birth etc. However above> > > people went great lengths

into the past. All comments are welcome.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks>

> > > Rohit> > > >> > > >> > > > > >

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > >

Mobile. Try it now.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --------

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May 11, 2008

Namaste, Excellent post. Enjoyment comes from the non-discrimination of the soul and Sattva which are totally different because the latter's actions are for another. Samyama on the self-centred one gives knowledge of the Purusha. All action of Sattva, a modification of Prakriti characterised by light and happiness, is for the soul. When Sattva is free from egoism and illuminated with the pure intelligence of Purusha, it is called the self-centred one, because in that state it becomes independent of all relations. From that arises the knowledge belonging to Pratibha and (supernatural) hearing, touching, seeing, tasting and smelling. These are obstacles to Samadhi; but they are powers in the worldly state. To the Yogi knowledge of the enjoyments of the world comes by the junction of the Purusha and the mind. If he wants to make Samyama on the knowledge that they are two different things, nature and soul, he gets knowledge of the Purusha. From that arises discrimination. When he has got that

discrimination, he gets the Pratibha, the light of supreme genius. These powers, however, are obstructions to the attainment of the highest goal, the knowledge of the pure Self, and freedom. These are, as it were, to be met in the way; and if the Yogi rejects them, he attains the highest. If he is tempted to acquire these, his further progress is barred. When the cause of bondage of the Chitta has become loosened, the Yogi, by his knowledge of its channels of activity (the nerves), enters another's body. The Yogi can enter a dead body and make it get up and move, even while he himself is working in another body. Or he can enter a living body and hold that man's mind and organs in check, and for the time being act through the body of that man. That is done by the Yogi coming to this discrimination of Purusha and nature. If he wants to enter another's

body, he makes a Samyama on that body and enters it, because, not only is his soul omnipresent, but his mind also, as the Yogi teaches. It is one bit of the universal mind. Now, however, it can only work; through the nerve currents in this body, but when the Yogi has loosened himself from these nerve currents, he can work through other things. By conquering the current called Udana the Yogi does not sink in water or in swamps, he can walk on thorns etc., and can, die at will. Udana is the name of the nerve current that governs the lungs and all the upper parts of the body, and when he is master of it, he becomes light in weight. He does not sink in water; he can walk on thorns and sword blades, and stand in fire, and can depart this life whenever he likes. By the conquest of the current Samana he is surrounded by a blaze of light. Whenever he likes, light flashes from his body. By making Samyama on the relation between the ear and the Akasha comes divine hearing. There is the Akasha, the ether, and the instrument, the ear. By making Samyama on them the Yogi gets supernormal hearing; he hears everything. Anything spoken or sounded miles away he can

hear. By making Samyama an the relation between the Akasha and the body and becoming light as cotton-wool etc., through meditation on them, the yogi goes through the skies. This Akasha is the material of this body; it is only Akasha in a certain form that has become the body. If the Yogi makes a Sanyama on this Akasha material of his body, it acquires the lightness of Akasha, and he can go anywhere through the air. Hope you understood my post Astro ji. Please let me know if

you didnt , I can explain it to you. Best Wishes svc_astro <svc_astro wrote: Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you are enjoying. Shall I continue some more?All wisdom & event are in nitya (permanent) sthiti & are recorded in akash tatva (eteric records). This akash is what we call as

'etheric' in the english language. These etheric records (includes jeeva nadi granthas) can be directly contacted by any advanced sage or rishi in any clime or age. For example the whole history & life of Raja Bharata could be perceived fully by Vyasa when he conceived mahabharata and decided to write the epic as a spiritual allegory based on historical facts & persona. So how does jeeva nadi work? Let us take example of Arjuna. Whenever Arjuna questions bhagwan (jeeva nadi reader poses query to maharishi), it is to be understood that the meditating sadhaka by silent thoughts is in deep communion with God (krsna). Any advanced devotee can translate into words of any language the silent communion between his soul and God. So vyasa reproduced the inner anubhava between his soul and God as the dialogue which is now popularly known as bhagavad gita. In simpler words the dialogue between an awakened soul

and the omnipresent preceptor who is also fondly known as sree krsna. I hope you understood the implied allegory between jeeva nadi reader and his Guru , the maharishi given here.In my anubhava jeeva nadi gurus have definite conrol over their breath which is also called as swara (sa+astra = sastra is breathing weapon). That is why you will find certain jeeva nadi gurus are found to be levitating while giving the reading. Why levitation? Levitation is a siddhi that comes by conquering the udana vayu (refer patanjali sutras). One who has control over their breath, has connection with maharishi through punya karma, is chosen by the maharishi in a certain life as a designated jeevanadi reader to assit jeevas on prithwi loka to help breakaway from darkness into bliss of atma jyoti. he can access etheric records at anytime based on the siddhi bestowed. At every moment the jeevanadi gurus dharma is to help jeevas and not

indulge in material gain. This way he is also breaking his karmic cycle of life & death. It is a deep & divine play controlled by the maharishis which must be thoroughly appreciated and not discounted. More later.Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Please keep posting your thoughts as I find them to be enlightening and these also keep reminding me that it is going to be long journey for me.> > Regards.> > Vivek Khurana> > > : Fri, 9 May 2008 21:34:48 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you found the post worth a read. I

thank you for your kind words.BTW, someone was mentioning something about nadi sastras and its meaning. sastra is 'sa' + 'astra'. 'Sa' means 'breath'. 'Astra' means weapon. So 'Sastra' is the 'breathing weapon'. One who knows how to wield ones breath is true knower of sastras (scriptures). Sastras are not to be learnt and recited like a parrot from some external text book. There are to be found in akash tatva. More if there is interest. Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Absolutely true. However, I would request you to calm down and forgive and forget.> > May be this was the Almighty's way of making you the medium to give knowledge to me. I have found the text written below to be extremely interesting and please don't mind if I write to you directly.> >

Best Regards.> > Vivek> > > @: svc_astro@: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:27 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Rishi/Vivek, Namaste. Thank you for the concurrence. The problem nowadays is that most folks act as if they have taken the responsibility to change every , every website and that they are the God given gift to mankind. This just shows that their 'I' is established firmly. What they do not realize is that an act of giving, a kind word, a grateful deed, proper use of courteous language will go a long way in burning their karma & building a healthy relationship with the divine. Use of aggressive words is a sign of weakness, insecurity & one of leading a unharmonious life. Coming back to the subject proper viz. "Nadi Astrology". As per my anubhava nadi shabda has its roots in nas

(nerves). Literally nadi means 'nerves'. Connecting it with Nadi Astrology, is is Saturn that rules nadis. Saturn exalts in tula rasi. Tula represents the balance. Saturn is connected with vayu in panchanga. Remember Lagna is twacha (vayu tatva), 2nd bhava is netra (agni tatva), 3rd is karana (ears; akaasha), 4th is nasika (nose; kshiti tatwa) and 5th is jihba (tongue; apo tatva). Saturn is connected with nakshatra. Mangal with vaara. Guru with akasha. Budha (mercury) with karana and Shukra with thithi as per panchanga classification. Let me post some thoughts on jeeva nadi & connection with astrology as I have some time today and am back from temple activities. We said above that Saturn rules nadi. Meaning the connection with vayu element (breath; prana) is apparent. There are 3 prominent nadis viz. ida, pingala and sushumna which are in the sookshma shareera. The svara (breath) either flows through ida or

pingala in a jiva. This gives delusion, illusion & error. The whole aim is to balance the breath and allow it to flow through the central nadi system called sushumna. Once the breath begins to flow through the central channel one begins to get guru anubhava and the nada dhvani begins to emanate from antahkarana. Sound is a function of akash tatva. This is the true jeeva nadi. It is through this madhyam that the maharishis communicate to the intended sishya (nadi reader) to give a jeeva nadi reading. We must check up Saturn in both rasi and amsa to see link with jeeva nadi from poorva janma. Jeeva nadi reading is direct communication channel (sushumna breathing) with the uplink (divine). This kind of reading is given to a jeeva who is moving from a state of tamas (ignorance; darkness) to jyoti (light). Again, it is the maharishi who pulls the jeeva to give the reading and is not done so as per the desire of the

jeeva. In simpler words in no way do we have any say in anything in this cosmos. We are a reflection of our karma. When the time is right, the karma is exhausted to a certain bandwidth, the guru will reveal to us in the form of jeeva nadi reading or materialising or anyother means for that matter. This means that it is pointless abandon our daily effort in search for the unknown through nadi leaves and nadi readings. Maharishis do not entertain abandonment of karma for momentary gratification of senses through self desired nadi readings. Nadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. This is what I had written (implied) in my previous postings to the group which Mr. Rohit point blank abused me for. I took it that he did not understand a word. I remained increasingly courteous to him. He responded back by being aggressive not only to me but to one and all. I still wish him the all the best

with all my heart and pray that God give him the buddhi to be kind to one and all. With that I rest my case and hope that there is increasing courteousness and lesser finger pointing & agressiveness on the group. Let us all thank the moderator/creator of this group for giving us a brilliant platform to discuss. Let us also thank Shri Shashikant Ji for a wonderful book that he has donated to mankind. Let us thank the makers of the website for providing all of us a wonderful medium to get newer research information. Every inch of knowledge that is received from any source must be appreciated and thanked for..That is how it should be. Best Wishes. , "Rishi Prasad" <rishiprasad@> wrote:>> namaskar,> i would tend to agree with svc. even if my views are not in sync with that> of others, it is hardly

appropriate to go on the offensive as rohit has done> and get abusive in the manner that he has done. vivek also seems to hold the> same point of view. i would really request everyone to not use this> platform-to which i am absolutely new-as a means of showing their online> muscle or aggression. lets just talk astrology and try and learn from each> other.i am a professional astrologer based in delhi. but i am not looking> for work through this group. i would simply be happy to share the little> knowledge i have with anyone who might be helped by it.> regards,> rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > 2008/5/9 svc_astro <svc_astro@>:> > > Namaste. All topics are related to TRUTH. EKAM SATYA. Is it not?!> > Seems like I irritated you and you felt bad about the posting that> > was made. I am sorry if you felt that way. Please contemplate more> > and try to

understand the post that was made rather than take things> > personally. You seem to be an emotional person who jumps at> > everything.> >> > MODERATOR: Is this kind of outburst/abuse allowed on this group? I am> > hoping folks like this person are more courteous in their exchange of> > words & use of language.> >> > Best Wishes.> >> > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@> wrote:> > >> > > What rubbish is this Mr. Astro??> > > Can you tell me tell me single sentence out of all the 25 lines> > you have written which is related to the topic I have posted here? I> > have seen your previous posts also, you reply to the posts with the> > rubbish which is not related to the

topic which was going on. If you> > want to post your philosophy why don't you start a new thread and> > invite others to comment on it. Just because you want others to> > notice you and make you feel important why rattle a philosophy which> > kills the good topic started by others.> > >> > > My topic was about past life predictions given by even road side> > tellers and common people including beggars and wanted members to> > think about it how it's possible and give their views. Can you tell> > me whether you have read my post at least, if yes, have you got it> > what it's saying? I have asked to ponder on this topic, not on your> > life's philosophy. Please post a new message next time you want to> > say something good to the forum.> > > Thanks> > >> > >> > > svc_astro <svc_astro@> wrote: >>>All

comments are> > welcome.> > >> > > Namaste. Thank you for giving an opportunity to ponder & express.> > > Future is food for the mind. Past is akin to looking in the rear> > > view mirror and driving. Can you drive by looking at the rear view> > > mirror?! A true yogi is changing his bhagya (destiny) every single> > > breath (kshana). This is how sadhana is: the more you receive, the> > > more you want to do sadhana. Fruit is given as the process takes> > > place. You constantly want to make a greater & greater effort. But> > > let me tell you , it doesnt become easier. If you think the more> > > sadhana you do, the easier it will get you are wrong. The more> > > sadhana you do, the more difficult it gets..but it is more> > exciting.> > >> > > Do not worry about past or future in the form of

nadi readings.> > Live> > > in the moment, the present. In this moment is the possibility of> > > attaining THAT..Even though Self is fully manifest within us, it> > > only thru awakening of Shakti and the process of sadhana that it is> > > revealed. Guru is trikalagyaani. It is your destiny that brings you> > > to the Guru to receive shaktipat, but then you must make the right> > > self effort to cultivate golden virtues. Without action there can> > be> > > no jnaana. The crux of the matter is that nothing comes easily. You> > > have to work for it; you have to put the effort. It is as simple as> > > that. Nadi reading or not, past or future, whatever, it does not> > > matter..You must make the effort!!> > >> > > Best Wishes.> > >> > > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > >> > > > There seems to be general feeling of thrill in this forum with> > > regards to 100 percent accuracy of past predictions given by naadi> > > readers. This past accuracy induces the trust in seekers mind> > > towards the naadi reader. I would like to mention that I am not at> > > all amazed by this past predictions thing. I have through this> > > before accidently many times, but I am not sure of the> > > technicalities behind this accuracy.> > > >> > > >> > > > There have been many stories told my mom, how some person came> > > for

begging in the afternoon while I was away in school and how he> > > said many thing about our home ( your husband working here, how> > many> > > sons, daughters, son now in school, including some of the things> > > like yesterday you fought, your son came top in exams etc ). But> > > these sadhus or sometimes plain beggars can't tell anything about> > > future. Sometimes they even fool the people into giving them cash.> > > My mom got fooled once. They even know how much amount is there> > > right now in the house. I once encountered this kind of person in> > my> > > college times and drove him away.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > My recent experience: I had a visit to Hyderabad to my relatives> > > place around 1 yr back. We were sitting in veranda when such person> > > came

across for begging. He was dressed like half sadhu, He started> > > rattling same thing, all accurate to my aunt and mom. I was> > > surprised but we have seen this before and it was not big deal. We> > > gave him 2 rupees and ask him to please go next door bluntly. We> > > went away silently.> > > >> > > >> > > > In my school days, when I visited my village, I remember vaguely> > > people used to come with bulls ( who were decorated and colored )> > on> > > Makar Sankranthi , stand in front of house and used to tell some> > > predictions like this before taking dhaan ( Usually raw rice ,> > > pulses etc). If I remember correctly bull so some kind of dance by> > > waving their heads and their language of poetic. It was fun for us.> > > Of course those predictions were accurate with regards to

past.> > > >> > > >> > > > I am not sure what's behind all this, may be experienced members> > > can throw light on this. All naadi readers I have visited told only> > > about my name, parent's name, date of birth etc. However above> > > people went great lengths into the past. All comments are welcome.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Rohit> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. Try it now.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try it now.> >

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May 11, 2008

Dear Sanjay ji

Saadar pranam. The mails from you are welcome anytime and everytime. If gyan is coming uninvited what could be better than that.

I was moved by the movie Guide. In this Bhola tells Raju in the temple, when he is trying to insist him to keep fast for 12 days, "Gyan ke raaste bahut tedhe hote hain swamiji." This statement has stuck with me in my life. I had to be given gyan by you over internet. Isn't it destiny and dissemination of gyan through prana (electronic energy - internet, though not in the pure form).

Please keep writing whenever you get time.

Regards.

Vivek Khurana

From: svc_astroDate: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:33:11 +0000 Re: Knowledge on Sastra/ akash tatva

Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you are enjoying. Shall I continue some more?All wisdom & event are in nitya (permanent) sthiti & are recorded in akash tatva (eteric records). This akash is what we call as 'etheric' in the english language. These etheric records (includes jeeva nadi granthas) can be directly contacted by any advanced sage or rishi in any clime or age. For example the whole history & life of Raja Bharata could be perceived fully by Vyasa when he conceived mahabharata and decided to write the epic as a spiritual allegory based on historical facts & persona. So how does jeeva nadi work? Let us take example of Arjuna. Whenever Arjuna questions bhagwan (jeeva nadi reader poses query to maharishi), it is to be understood that the meditating sadhaka by silent thoughts is in deep communion with God (krsna). Any advanced devotee can translate into words of any language the silent communion between his soul and God. So vyasa reproduced the inner anubhava between his soul and God as the dialogue which is now popularly known as bhagavad gita. In simpler words the dialogue between an awakened soul and the omnipresent preceptor who is also fondly known as sree krsna. I hope you understood the implied allegory between jeeva nadi reader and his Guru , the maharishi given here.In my anubhava jeeva nadi gurus have definite conrol over their breath which is also called as swara (sa+astra = sastra is breathing weapon). That is why you will find certain jeeva nadi gurus are found to be levitating while giving the reading. Why levitation? Levitation is a siddhi that comes by conquering the udana vayu (refer patanjali sutras). One who has control over their breath, has connection with maharishi through punya karma, is chosen by the maharishi in a certain life as a designated jeevanadi reader to assit jeevas on prithwi loka to help breakaway from darkness into bliss of atma jyoti. he can access etheric records at anytime based on the siddhi bestowed. At every moment the jeevanadi gurus dharma is to help jeevas and not indulge in material gain. This way he is also breaking his karmic cycle of life & death. It is a deep & divine play controlled by the maharishis which must be thoroughly appreciated and not discounted. More later.Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Please keep posting your thoughts as I find them to be enlightening and these also keep reminding me that it is going to be long journey for me.> > Regards.> > Vivek Khurana> > > : Fri, 9 May 2008 21:34:48 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you found the post worth a read. I thank you for your kind words.BTW, someone was mentioning something about nadi sastras and its meaning. sastra is 'sa' + 'astra'. 'Sa' means 'breath'. 'Astra' means weapon. So 'Sastra' is the 'breathing weapon'. One who knows how to wield ones breath is true knower of sastras (scriptures). Sastras are not to be learnt and recited like a parrot from some external text book. There are to be found in akash tatva. More if there is interest. Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Absolutely true. However, I would request you to calm down and forgive and forget.> > May be this was the Almighty's way of making you the medium to give knowledge to me. I have found the text written below to be extremely interesting and please don't mind if I write to you directly.> > Best Regards.> > Vivek> > > @: svc_astro@: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:27 +0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Rishi/Vivek, Namaste. Thank you for the concurrence. The problem nowadays is that most folks act as if they have taken the responsibility to change every , every website and that they are the God given gift to mankind. This just shows that their 'I' is established firmly. What they do not realize is that an act of giving, a kind word, a grateful deed, proper use of courteous language will go a long way in burning their karma & building a healthy relationship with the divine. Use of aggressive words is a sign of weakness, insecurity & one of leading a unharmonious life. Coming back to the subject proper viz. "Nadi Astrology". As per my anubhava nadi shabda has its roots in nas (nerves). Literally nadi means 'nerves'. Connecting it with Nadi Astrology, is is Saturn that rules nadis. Saturn exalts in tula rasi. Tula represents the balance. Saturn is connected with vayu in panchanga. Remember Lagna is twacha (vayu tatva), 2nd bhava is netra (agni tatva), 3rd is karana (ears; akaasha), 4th is nasika (nose; kshiti tatwa) and 5th is jihba (tongue; apo tatva). Saturn is connected with nakshatra. Mangal with vaara. Guru with akasha. Budha (mercury) with karana and Shukra with thithi as per panchanga classification. Let me post some thoughts on jeeva nadi & connection with astrology as I have some time today and am back from temple activities. We said above that Saturn rules nadi. Meaning the connection with vayu element (breath; prana) is apparent. There are 3 prominent nadis viz. ida, pingala and sushumna which are in the sookshma shareera. The svara (breath) either flows through ida or pingala in a jiva. This gives delusion, illusion & error. The whole aim is to balance the breath and allow it to flow through the central nadi system called sushumna. Once the breath begins to flow through the central channel one begins to get guru anubhava and the nada dhvani begins to emanate from antahkarana. Sound is a function of akash tatva. This is the true jeeva nadi. It is through this madhyam that the maharishis communicate to the intended sishya (nadi reader) to give a jeeva nadi reading. We must check up Saturn in both rasi and amsa to see link with jeeva nadi from poorva janma. Jeeva nadi reading is direct communication channel (sushumna breathing) with the uplink (divine). This kind of reading is given to a jeeva who is moving from a state of tamas (ignorance; darkness) to jyoti (light). Again, it is the maharishi who pulls the jeeva to give the reading and is not done so as per the desire of the jeeva. In simpler words in no way do we have any say in anything in this cosmos. We are a reflection of our karma. When the time is right, the karma is exhausted to a certain bandwidth, the guru will reveal to us in the form of jeeva nadi reading or materialising or anyother means for that matter. This means that it is pointless abandon our daily effort in search for the unknown through nadi leaves and nadi readings. Maharishis do not entertain abandonment of karma for momentary gratification of senses through self desired nadi readings. Nadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. This is what I had written (implied) in my previous postings to the group which Mr. Rohit point blank abused me for. I took it that he did not understand a word. I remained increasingly courteous to him. He responded back by being aggressive not only to me but to one and all. I still wish him the all the best with all my heart and pray that God give him the buddhi to be kind to one and all. With that I rest my case and hope that there is increasing courteousness and lesser finger pointing & agressiveness on the group. Let us all thank the moderator/creator of this group for giving us a brilliant platform to discuss. Let us also thank Shri Shashikant Ji for a wonderful book that he has donated to mankind. Let us thank the makers of the website for providing all of us a wonderful medium to get newer research information. Every inch of knowledge that is received from any source must be appreciated and thanked for..That is how it should be. Best Wishes. , "Rishi Prasad" <rishiprasad@> wrote:>> namaskar,> i would tend to agree with svc. even if my views are not in sync with that> of others, it is hardly appropriate to go on the offensive as rohit has done> and get abusive in the manner that he has done. vivek also seems to hold the> same point of view. i would really request everyone to not use this> platform-to which i am absolutely new-as a means of showing their online> muscle or aggression. lets just talk astrology and try and learn from each> other.i am a professional astrologer based in delhi. but i am not looking> for work through this group. i would simply be happy to share the little> knowledge i have with anyone who might be helped by it.> regards,> rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > 2008/5/9 svc_astro <svc_astro@>:> > > Namaste. All topics are related to TRUTH. EKAM SATYA. Is it not?!> > Seems like I irritated you and you felt bad about the posting that> > was made. I am sorry if you felt that way. Please contemplate more> > and try to understand the post that was made rather than take things> > personally. You seem to be an emotional person who jumps at> > everything.> >> > MODERATOR: Is this kind of outburst/abuse allowed on this group? I am> > hoping folks like this person are more courteous in their exchange of> > words & use of language.> >> > Best Wishes.> >> > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@> wrote:> > >> > > What rubbish is this Mr. Astro??> > > Can you tell me tell me single sentence out of all the 25 lines> > you have written which is related to the topic I have posted here? I> > have seen your previous posts also, you reply to the posts with the> > rubbish which is not related to the topic which was going on. If you> > want to post your philosophy why don't you start a new thread and> > invite others to comment on it. Just because you want others to> > notice you and make you feel important why rattle a philosophy which> > kills the good topic started by others.> > >> > > My topic was about past life predictions given by even road side> > tellers and common people including beggars and wanted members to> > think about it how it's possible and give their views. Can you tell> > me whether you have read my post at least, if yes, have you got it> > what it's saying? I have asked to ponder on this topic, not on your> > life's philosophy. Please post a new message next time you want to> > say something good to the forum.> > > Thanks> > >> > >> > > svc_astro <svc_astro@> wrote: >>>All comments are> > welcome.> > >> > > Namaste. Thank you for giving an opportunity to ponder & express.> > > Future is food for the mind. Past is akin to looking in the rear> > > view mirror and driving. Can you drive by looking at the rear view> > > mirror?! A true yogi is changing his bhagya (destiny) every single> > > breath (kshana). This is how sadhana is: the more you receive, the> > > more you want to do sadhana. Fruit is given as the process takes> > > place. You constantly want to make a greater & greater effort. But> > > let me tell you , it doesnt become easier. If you think the more> > > sadhana you do, the easier it will get you are wrong. The more> > > sadhana you do, the more difficult it gets..but it is more> > exciting.> > >> > > Do not worry about past or future in the form of nadi readings.> > Live> > > in the moment, the present. In this moment is the possibility of> > > attaining THAT..Even though Self is fully manifest within us, it> > > only thru awakening of Shakti and the process of sadhana that it is> > > revealed. Guru is trikalagyaani. It is your destiny that brings you> > > to the Guru to receive shaktipat, but then you must make the right> > > self effort to cultivate golden virtues. Without action there can> > be> > > no jnaana. The crux of the matter is that nothing comes easily. You> > > have to work for it; you have to put the effort. It is as simple as> > > that. Nadi reading or not, past or future, whatever, it does not> > > matter..You must make the effort!!> > >> > > Best Wishes.> > >> > > <%40>,> > ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > >> > > > There seems to be general feeling of thrill in this forum with> > > regards to 100 percent accuracy of past predictions given by naadi> > > readers. This past accuracy induces the trust in seekers mind> > > towards the naadi reader. I would like to mention that I am not at> > > all amazed by this past predictions thing. I have through this> > > before accidently many times, but I am not sure of the> > > technicalities behind this accuracy.> > > >> > > >> > > > There have been many stories told my mom, how some person came> > > for begging in the afternoon while I was away in school and how he> > > said many thing about our home ( your husband working here, how> > many> > > sons, daughters, son now in school, including some of the things> > > like yesterday you fought, your son came top in exams etc ). But> > > these sadhus or sometimes plain beggars can't tell anything about> > > future. Sometimes they even fool the people into giving them cash.> > > My mom got fooled once. They even know how much amount is there> > > right now in the house. I once encountered this kind of person in> > my> > > college times and drove him away.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > My recent experience: I had a visit to Hyderabad to my relatives> > > place around 1 yr back. We were sitting in veranda when such person> > > came across for begging. He was dressed like half sadhu, He started> > > rattling same thing, all accurate to my aunt and mom. I was> > > surprised but we have seen this before and it was not big deal. We> > > gave him 2 rupees and ask him to please go next door bluntly. We> > > went away silently.> > > >> > > >> > > > In my school days, when I visited my village, I remember vaguely> > > people used to come with bulls ( who were decorated and colored )> > on> > > Makar Sankranthi , stand in front of house and used to tell some> > > predictions like this before taking dhaan ( Usually raw rice ,> > > pulses etc). If I remember correctly bull so some kind of dance by> > > waving their heads and their language of poetic. It was fun for us.> > > Of course those predictions were accurate with regards to past.> > > >> > > >> > > > I am not sure what's behind all this, may be experienced members> > > can throw light on this. All naadi readers I have visited told only> > > about my name, parent's name, date of birth etc. However above> > > people went great lengths into the past. All comments are welcome.> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Rohit> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. Try it now.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Rishi> www.rishiprasad.com> > > > > > > > ________> Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos.> http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in> > > > > > > > ________> No Harvard, No Oxford. We are here. Find out !!> http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=500> Placements ? No Problem. Register Here! Try it!

May 11, 2008

Hi Sanjay ji,

" Nadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended

to.This is what I had written (implied) in my previous postings to the

group which Mr. Rohit point blank abused me for. "

I totally agree to this, i have seen this happen. To be more precise

the naadi travels with you to sacred places and then decided where it

will be read. The reader receives the instruction from the naadi to

carry it and the most stunning part is the reader from south who took

the leafset when he could not interpret the directions properly for

the naadi leaf proclaimed that you would get the instruction before

sunset and the same happened. The people who gave instructions was a

cook in the ashram where we halted for darshan, and a pilgrim who

suddenly went into trance in a temple we visited. The next day the

naadi declared both were chosen due to their subjective awareness of

the surrounding areas so they could spell the directions and the route

clearly as per our understanding as per the current passage of time.

Naadi identify hills/rivers based on the sacredness attached to it,

for example Ukhimath in Kedarnath belongs to Atri Rishi, the same is

not known to a person starting from delhi or haridwar, you can locate

this place only once you reach atleast till Ukhimath in Himalayas. All

rishis like Atri, Agasthya , Vashishta, etc. have there own spots and

would prefer the reading to done on their own location except for

Agasthya rishi who thinks that people in his area might use the

oppurtunity of his presence to gather bad powers ( as it is the

prevalent practice in that part)

Thanks

, Vivek Khurana

<vivekkhurana wrote:

>

> Dear Sanjay ji

>

> Saadar pranam. The mails from you are welcome anytime and everytime.

If gyan is coming uninvited what could be better than that.

>

> I was moved by the movie Guide. In this Bhola tells Raju in the

temple, when he is trying to insist him to keep fast for 12 days,

" Gyan ke raaste bahut tedhe hote hain swamiji. " This statement has

stuck with me in my life. I had to be given gyan by you over internet.

Isn't it destiny and dissemination of gyan through prana (electronic

energy - internet, though not in the pure form).

>

> Please keep writing whenever you get time.

>

> Regards.

>

> Vivek Khurana

>

> : svc_astro: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:33:11

+0000 Re: Knowledge on Sastra/ akash tatva

>

> Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy that you are enjoying. Shall I

continue some more?All wisdom & event are in nitya (permanent) sthiti

& are recorded in akash tatva (eteric records). This akash is what we

call as 'etheric' in the english language. These etheric records

(includes jeeva nadi granthas) can be directly contacted by any

advanced sage or rishi in any clime or age. For example the whole

history & life of Raja Bharata could be perceived fully by Vyasa when

he conceived mahabharata and decided to write the epic as a spiritual

allegory based on historical facts & persona. So how does jeeva nadi

work? Let us take example of Arjuna. Whenever Arjuna questions bhagwan

(jeeva nadi reader poses query to maharishi), it is to be understood

that the meditating sadhaka by silent thoughts is in deep communion

with God (krsna). Any advanced devotee can translate into words of any

language the silent communion between his soul and God. So vyasa

reproduced the inner anubhava between his soul and God as the dialogue

which is now popularly known as bhagavad gita. In simpler words the

dialogue between an awakened soul and the omnipresent preceptor who is

also fondly known as sree krsna. I hope you understood the implied

allegory between jeeva nadi reader and his Guru , the maharishi given

here.In my anubhava jeeva nadi gurus have definite conrol over their

breath which is also called as swara (sa+astra = sastra is breathing

weapon). That is why you will find certain jeeva nadi gurus are found

to be levitating while giving the reading. Why levitation? Levitation

is a siddhi that comes by conquering the udana vayu (refer patanjali

sutras). One who has control over their breath, has connection with

maharishi through punya karma, is chosen by the maharishi in a certain

life as a designated jeevanadi reader to assit jeevas on prithwi loka

to help breakaway from darkness into bliss of atma jyoti. he can

access etheric records at anytime based on the siddhi bestowed. At

every moment the jeevanadi gurus dharma is to help jeevas and not

indulge in material gain. This way he is also breaking his karmic

cycle of life & death. It is a deep & divine play controlled by the

maharishis which must be thoroughly appreciated and not discounted.

More later.Best Wishes. , Vivek

Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Please keep posting

your thoughts as I find them to be enlightening and these also keep

reminding me that it is going to be long journey for me.> > Regards.>

> Vivek Khurana> > > @: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:34:48

+0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big

deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Vivek,Namaste. I am happy

that you found the post worth a read. I thank you for your kind

words.BTW, someone was mentioning something about nadi sastras and its

meaning. sastra is 'sa' + 'astra'. 'Sa' means 'breath'. 'Astra' means

weapon. So 'Sastra' is the 'breathing weapon'. One who knows how to

wield ones breath is true knower of sastras (scriptures). Sastras are

not to be learnt and recited like a parrot from some external text

book. There are to be found in akash tatva. More if there is interest.

Best Wishes. , Vivek Khurana

<vivekkhurana@> wrote:>> > Dear Sir> > Absolutely true. However, I

would request you to calm down and forgive and forget.> > May be this

was the Almighty's way of making you the medium to give knowledge to

me. I have found the text written below to be extremely interesting

and please don't mind if I write to you directly.> > Best Regards.> >

Vivek> > > @: svc_astro@: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:21:27

+0000 Re: Past life predictions …..No big

deal ...topic to ponder on …> > > > > Dear Rishi/Vivek, Namaste. Thank

you for the concurrence. The problem nowadays is that most folks act

as if they have taken the responsibility to change every ,

every website and that they are the God given gift to mankind. This

just shows that their 'I' is established firmly. What they do not

realize is that an act of giving, a kind word, a grateful deed, proper

use of courteous language will go a long way in burning their karma &

building a healthy relationship with the divine. Use of aggressive

words is a sign of weakness, insecurity & one of leading a