RE: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

Posted May 7, 2008 · May 7, 2008

Dear Vivek, You are right. Not only Mr. Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the

answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or Shashikant ji. That’s my personal experience. Their business is flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too Regards, RohitVivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote: Dr Kashyap Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80% chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle. By the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must be reading our mails as well. You are right. It only leads to confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case you are not sure, you go

for a second opinion or a third opinion, but I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff. Till the time you find a good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my opinion. Regards. Vivek From: drkashyapanurag (AT) (DOT) co.inDate: Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100RE: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam my words u know .......i also questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said

that there is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i ever was its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they advise dr anuragVivek Khurana <vivekkhurana (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: I had also contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that with my past experience with others, I would consider him as "Less than satisfactory". When I asked for specific dates, his comment was "Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge", but the paradox is "What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then." The

response to the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general - motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting exercise. From: drkashyapanurag (AT) (DOT) co.inDate: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:17:18 +0100Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam i had contacted mr eashwaran for a jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience thanks dr anurag"Hariharan.S" <hariharan_sm (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Krishna, I hv never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number is 020-65000275 . You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad experience with him . Thanks, Regards, S. Hariharan - krishna gajjela @com Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 AM Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam dear hariharan sirmere ko bhi subramaniyan ne same prediction diyahenme send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.me is ye pahale 12 saal pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadibest regardskrishnaHariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Hello members, The enclosed are the predictions done by Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat in the name of famous astrologers?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. Skydrive - Get 5GB online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents online with ease. Try it now! Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now!

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Posted May 8, 2008 · May 8, 2008

It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr.

Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers.

In my case, while his readings were not very deep, the overall

picture it gave seemed to agree with the other couple of readings

that I've had in the past. But, I have to confess that I my readings

were done over a very brief phone conversation which lasted for about

10 minutes.

I do have to say that he did come across as a nice and a respectful

gentleman. In any case, he did not request for any monetary

compensation from me. While I sympathize with the people that got

identical emails, I would still encourage folks to employ discretion

to see if they can benefit from this Nadi.

Regards,

Shyam

-- In , ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123 wrote:

>

> Dear Vivek,

>

> You are right. Not only Mr. Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune

are members of this Group. In fact some are using multiple fake ids

and doing self promotion. If you happen to visit or call any of the

Pune naadi readers when they ask the reference from where we got it,

if you manage to delay the answer, they will themselves either say,

is it through or Shashikant ji. That's my personal

experience. Their business is flourishing thanks to this group. They

are reading this message too

>

> Regards,

> Rohit

>

> Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:

> Dr Kashyap

>

> Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying like a

statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80% chances.

Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.

>

> By the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and

must be reading our mails as well.

>

> You are right. It only leads to confusion sometimes. But I feel

that consulting astrolgers is similar to consulting doctors. When you

meet a good doctor, you come to know at once by his way of

examination, by his way of conduct. And in case you are not sure, you

go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but I strongly feel that

we must evaluate the doctors and by the same yardstick the

astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of wisdom to

separate wheat from the chaff.

>

> Till the time you find a good Naadi centre where you get a strong

feeling about the truth in what the other person is saying about you,

you should not do anything or everything the other person recommends

you to do. That is my opinion.

>

> Regards.

>

> Vivek

>

> drkashyapanurag

> Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100

> RE: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam

>

> my words u know .......i also questions about details about

timing but he gave very general answers nothing specific..infact for

one of my questions he said that there is 80% chance of this

happening and 20% chance of that not happening...infact it had me

more confused n more indecisive than i ever was

> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact

people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to

take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they

advise

> dr anurag

>

> Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:

> I had also contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not

in a position to comment whether it was bad or good, but I would

certainly say that with my past experience with others, I would

consider him as " Less than satisfactory " . When I asked for specific

dates, his comment was " Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho

jayenge " , but the paradox is " What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi

then. " The response to the five questions that I asked him was

absolutely general - motherhood replies - which even a person going

on the street can answer after hearing the questions. Seems like

money minting exercise.

>

> drkashyapanurag

> Sat, 3 May 2008 09:17:18 +0100

> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam

>

> i had contacted mr eashwaran for a jeeva naadi reading,

from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur experience with him,

n is he the same person we are reffreing to, whom u sdaid ur frend

had a bad experience

> thanks

> dr anurag

>

> " Hariharan.S " <hariharan_sm wrote:

> Dear Mr. Krishna,

>

> I hv never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend

Vishwas has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline

number is 020-65000275 .

>

> You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri Maharishi Graha

Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad experience with him .

>

> Thanks,

>

> Regards,

>

> S. Hariharan

>

> -

> krishna gajjela

> @com

> Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 AM

> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam

>

> dear hariharan sir

>

> mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne same prediction diyahen

> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 percent nadi reader ka

adress digiyee.

> me is ye pahale 12 saal pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri

maharshi graha naadi

>

> best regards

> krishna

>

> Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm wrote: Hello members,

>

> The enclosed are the predictions done by Subramaniam from

coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word everything is the

same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat in the name of

famous astrologers?

>

> Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile. Try it now.

>

> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have

it.

>

> Skydrive - Get 5GB online space for FREE!. Store and share music,

photos and documents online with ease. Try it now!

>

> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New

. Get it now. Try it now!

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

Posted May 8, 2008 · May 8, 2008

OK. Any of the members got predictions done from Mr. Subramaniam.? Pl. you r welcome to post your experience with his predictions. .

Thanks,

Regards,

S. Hariharan

-

shyamgururaj

@com

Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:52 AM

Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr. Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while his readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed to agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the past. But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very brief phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to say that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In any case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me. While I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would still encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit from this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123 wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:> Dr Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80% chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> > By the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > > > > drkashyapanurag Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that there is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:> I had also contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that with my past experience with others, I would consider him as "Less than satisfactory". When I asked for specific dates, his comment was "Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge", but the paradox is "What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then." The response to the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general - motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting exercise.> > > > > drkashyapanurag Sat, 3 May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> > "Hariharan.S" <hariharan_sm wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > - > krishna gajjela > @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> > best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm wrote: Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > > > > > > > > > Skydrive - Get 5GB online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents online with ease. Try it now! > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now! > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

Posted May 10, 2008 · May 10, 2008

Dear Gururaj,

His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake person.

Respected Excellency,

Namaskar. The following predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the sayingsin mind- which ever suits you you may consider.

" You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money. You will start business only after 48th year- before that not advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make money and develop in your Nation- property development- business with collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will be settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come. Do not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to assess people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after 8 years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good result.

I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach with AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.

Thanking you, Sir

Yours Obediently

K.Subramaniam

On 5/9/08, scorpioncan <scorpioncan wrote:

Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

This refers to the details posted on the web / your website. Kindly do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA. My Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change, relocation to India and marriage.

yours faithfully,

Sunil

Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

From: shyamgururajDate: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45 +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr. Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while his readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed to agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the past. But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very brief phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to say that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In any case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me. While I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would still encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit from this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123 wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:> Dr Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80% chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> > By the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > > > > drkashyapanurag Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that there is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana wrote:> I had also contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that with my past experience with others, I would consider him as "Less than satisfactory". When I asked for specific dates, his comment was "Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge", but the paradox is "What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then." The response to the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general - motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting exercise.> > > > > drkashyapanurag Sat, 3 May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> > "Hariharan.S" <hariharan_sm wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > - > krishna gajjela > @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> > best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm wrote: Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > > > > > > > > > Skydrive - Get 5GB online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents online with ease. Try it now! > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now! > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

Posted May 10, 2008 · May 10, 2008

Well, Hariharan, you seem to have proven a point. I had posted my

comments to just see if anyone could genuinely benifit from

this 'naadi' before writing it off. It's quite shocking to see this

fake prediction. Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot of

people from getting misled.

In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to see if the 'fake' Sunil

coincidentally existed with the exact same DOB etc., and if yes, a

genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)

Regards,

Shyam

-

-- In , Hariharan Subramanian

<hariharan_sm wrote:

>

> Dear Gururaj,

>

> His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB

Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his

prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on

the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi

prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake

person.

>

> Respected Excellency,

> Namaskar. The following

predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the sayingsin

mind- which ever suits you you may consider.

> " You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in

Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your

relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but

deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood

wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money.

You will start business only after 48th year- before that not

advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make

money and develop in your Nation- property development- business with

collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will be

settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come. Do

not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to assess

people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big

name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after 8

years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good

result.

> I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach with

AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.

> Thanking you, Sir

> Yours Obediently

> K.Subramaniam

> On 5/9/08, scorpioncan <scorpioncan wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

> This refers to the details posted on the web / your website. Kindly

do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA. My

Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of

Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change, relocation to

India and marriage.

> yours faithfully,

> Sunil

> Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

>

> : shyamgururaj: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45

+0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

>

> It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr.

Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while his

readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed to

agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the past.

But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very brief

phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to say

that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In any

case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me. While

I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would still

encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit from

this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~

<rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr.

Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In

fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If

you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they

ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the

answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or

Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is

flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too

> > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> Dr

Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying

like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80%

chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> > By

the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must

be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to

confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar

to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know

at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case

you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but

I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same

yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of

wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a

good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in

what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything

or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my

opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > >

> > drkashyapanurag@> Date:

Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW:

Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also

questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers

nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that there

is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not

happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i

ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact

people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to

take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they

advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> I had also

contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to

comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that

with my past experience with others, I would consider him as " Less

than satisfactory " . When I asked for specific dates, his comment

was " Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge " , but the

paradox is " What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then. " The response to

the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general -

motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can

answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting

exercise.> > > > To:

> drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3

May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail

attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a

jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur

experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to,

whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag>

> " Hariharan.S " <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv

never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas

has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number

is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri

Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad

experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > -----

Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > To:

@com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59

AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from

Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne

same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100

percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal

pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> >

best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@> wrote:

Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by

Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word

everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat

in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly,

Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > Be

a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

it now. > > > > > > > > > >

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Posted May 10, 2008 · May 10, 2008

Namaste,

I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for

thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about

the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person

before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he

is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading through some

other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadi astrology..

I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy .. most were

inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.

I was quite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i will

wait for some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will

know if he is genuine reader.

, " shyamgururaj "

<shyamgururaj wrote:

>

> Well, Hariharan, you seem to have proven a point. I had posted my

> comments to just see if anyone could genuinely benifit from

> this 'naadi' before writing it off. It's quite shocking to see this

> fake prediction. Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot of

> people from getting misled.

>

> In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to see if the 'fake' Sunil

> coincidentally existed with the exact same DOB etc., and if yes, a

> genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)

>

> Regards,

> Shyam

>

> -

>

> -- In , Hariharan Subramanian

> <hariharan_sm@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gururaj,

> >

> > His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB

> Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his

> prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on

> the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi

> prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake

> person.

> >

> > Respected Excellency,

> > Namaskar. The following

> predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the sayingsin

> mind- which ever suits you you may consider.

> > " You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in

> Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your

> relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but

> deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood

> wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money.

> You will start business only after 48th year- before that not

> advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make

> money and develop in your Nation- property development- business with

> collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will be

> settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come. Do

> not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to assess

> people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big

> name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after 8

> years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good

> result.

> > I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach with

> AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.

> > Thanking you, Sir

> > Yours Obediently

> > K.Subramaniam

> > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

> > This refers to the details posted on the web / your website. Kindly

> do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA. My

> Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of

> Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change, relocation to

> India and marriage.

> > yours faithfully,

> > Sunil

> > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

> >

> > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45

> +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

> >

> > It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr.

> Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while his

> readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed to

> agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the past.

> But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very brief

> phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to say

> that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In any

> case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me. While

> I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would still

> encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit from

> this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~

> <rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr.

> Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In

> fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If

> you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they

> ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the

> answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or

> Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is

> flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too

> > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> Dr

> Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying

> like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80%

> chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> > By

> the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must

> be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to

> confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar

> to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know

> at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case

> you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but

> I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same

> yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of

> wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a

> good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in

> what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything

> or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my

> opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > >

> > > drkashyapanurag@> Date:

> Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW:

> Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also

> questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers

> nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that there

> is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not

> happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i

> ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact

> people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to

> take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they

> advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> I had also

> contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to

> comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that

> with my past experience with others, I would consider him as " Less

> than satisfactory " . When I asked for specific dates, his comment

> was " Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge " , but the

> paradox is " What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then. " The response to

> the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general -

> motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can

> answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting

> exercise.> > > > To:

> > drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3

> May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail

> attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a

> jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur

> experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to,

> whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag>

> > " Hariharan.S " <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv

> never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas

> has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number

> is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri

> Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad

> experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > -----

> Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > To:

> @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59

> AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne

> same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100

> percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal

> pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> >

> best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@> wrote:

> Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by

> Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word

> everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat

> in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly,

> Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > Be

> a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try

> it now. > > > > > > > > > >

> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it.

> > > > > > > > > > Skydrive - Get 5GB

> online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents

> online with ease. Try it now! > > > > > ------------------------------

> ---> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > --

> -------------------------------> WL Messenger : Stay connected to

> friends and family with the New . Get it now.

> Try it now! > > > > > > Be a better

> friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

> >

>

Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Hello Mr. Hari,

In case you haven't already done so, can you please review a word

document named " STUDENT.DOC " that has been attached to the " Files "

section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the same

predictions as well.

Regards,

Shyam

, " Hari " <vaastro wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for

> thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about

> the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person

> before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he

> is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading through

some

> other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadi

astrology..

>

> I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy .. most were

> inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.

>

> I was quite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i

will

> wait for some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will

> know if he is genuine reader.

>

> , " shyamgururaj "

> <shyamgururaj@> wrote:

> >

> > Well, Hariharan, you seem to have proven a point. I had posted my

> > comments to just see if anyone could genuinely benifit from

> > this 'naadi' before writing it off. It's quite shocking to see

this

> > fake prediction. Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot

of

> > people from getting misled.

> >

> > In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to see if the 'fake'

Sunil

> > coincidentally existed with the exact same DOB etc., and if yes,

a

> > genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shyam

> >

> > -

> >

> > -- In , Hariharan Subramanian

> > <hariharan_sm@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gururaj,

> > >

> > > His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name /

DOB

> > Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his

> > prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making

predictions on

> > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi

> > prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake

> > person.

> > >

> > > Respected Excellency,

> > > Namaskar. The following

> > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the

sayingsin

> > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.

> > > " You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in

> > Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All

your

> > relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person

but

> > deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood

> > wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's

money.

> > You will start business only after 48th year- before that not

> > advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You

make

> > money and develop in your Nation- property development- business

with

> > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will

be

> > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come.

Do

> > not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to

assess

> > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big

> > name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after

8

> > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good

> > result.

> > > I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach

with

> > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.

> > > Thanking you, Sir

> > > Yours Obediently

> > > K.Subramaniam

> > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

> > > This refers to the details posted on the web / your website.

Kindly

> > do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA.

My

> > Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location

of

> > Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change,

relocation to

> > India and marriage.

> > > yours faithfully,

> > > Sunil

> > > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

> > >

> > > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45

> > +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> > Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

> > >

> > > It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr.

> > Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while

his

> > readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed

to

> > agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the

past.

> > But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very

brief

> > phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to

say

> > that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In

any

> > case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me.

While

> > I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would

still

> > encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit

from

> > this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In ,

~Rohit~

> > <rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr.

> > Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group.

In

> > fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion.

If

> > you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when

they

> > ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay

the

> > answer, they will themselves either say, is it through

group or

> > Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is

> > flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message

too

> > > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> Dr

> > Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be

replying

> > like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about

80%

> > chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> >

By

> > the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and

must

> > be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to

> > confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is

similar

> > to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to

know

> > at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in

case

> > you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion,

but

> > I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same

> > yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that

much of

> > wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you

find a

> > good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth

in

> > what the other person is saying about you, you should not do

anything

> > or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my

> > opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > > -----------------------------

----

> > > > drkashyapanurag@>

Date:

> > Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW:

> > Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also

> > questions about details about timing but he gave very general

answers

> > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that

there

> > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not

> > happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than

i

> > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we

contact

> > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to

> > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars

they

> > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> I had

also

> > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position

to

> > comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say

that

> > with my past experience with others, I would consider him

as " Less

> > than satisfactory " . When I asked for specific dates, his comment

> > was " Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge " , but the

> > paradox is " What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then. " The

response to

> > the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general -

> > motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can

> > answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting

> > exercise.> > > > To:

> > > drkashyapanurag@> Date:

Sat, 3

> > May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail

> > attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a

> > jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about

ur

> > experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to,

> > whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag>

> > > " Hariharan.S " <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv

> > never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend

Vishwas

> > has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline

number

> > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of

Atri

> > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad

> > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > --

---

> > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > To:

> > @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008

10:59

> > AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> > Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan

ne

> > same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100

> > percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal

> > pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi>

>

> > best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@>

wrote:

> > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by

> > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by

word

> > everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers

cheat

> > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly,

> > Subramanian Hariharan > > > > >

> Be

> > a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try

> > it now. > > > > > > > > > >

> > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have

it.

> > > > > > > > > > > Skydrive - Get

5GB

> > online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and

documents

> > online with ease. Try it now! > > > > > --------------------------

----

> > ---> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > >

> --

> > -------------------------------> WL Messenger : Stay connected to

> > friends and family with the New . Get it

now.

> > Try it now! > > > > > > Be a

better

> > friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it

now.>

> > >

> >

>

Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Hello Shyam,

I just had a look at the file student.doc, and I burst in laughter,

probably 90% same, some shuffling in the order of things, if the words

are not exactly the same, the context is .. i wonder how this guy can

just mock at people who come to him for help and he is saying he does

the service for free by writing crap.

Hari.

, " shyamgururaj "

shyamgururaj wrote:

>

> Hello Mr. Hari,

>

> In case you haven't already done so, can you please review a word

> document named " STUDENT.DOC " that has been attached to the " Files "

> section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the same

> predictions as well.

>

> Regards,

> Shyam

>

> , " Hari " <vaastro@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for

> > thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about

> > the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person

> > before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he

> > is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading through

> some

> > other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadi

> astrology..

> >

> > I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy .. most were

> > inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.

> >

> > I was quite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i

> will

> > wait for some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will

> > know if he is genuine reader.

> >

> > , " shyamgururaj "

> > <shyamgururaj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Well, Hariharan, you seem to have proven a point. I had posted my

> > > comments to just see if anyone could genuinely benifit from

> > > this 'naadi' before writing it off. It's quite shocking to see

> this

> > > fake prediction. Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot

> of

> > > people from getting misled.

> > >

> > > In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to see if the 'fake'

> Sunil

> > > coincidentally existed with the exact same DOB etc., and if yes,

> a

> > > genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shyam

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > > -- In , Hariharan Subramanian

> > > <hariharan_sm@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gururaj,

> > > >

> > > > His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name /

> DOB

> > > Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his

> > > prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making

> predictions on

> > > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi

> > > prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake

> > > person.

> > > >

> > > > Respected Excellency,

> > > > Namaskar. The following

> > > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the

> sayingsin

> > > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.

> > > > " You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in

> > > Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All

> your

> > > relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person

> but

> > > deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood

> > > wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's

> money.

> > > You will start business only after 48th year- before that not

> > > advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You

> make

> > > money and develop in your Nation- property development- business

> with

> > > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will

> be

> > > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come.

> Do

> > > not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to

> assess

> > > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big

> > > name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after

> 8

> > > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good

> > > result.

> > > > I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach

> with

> > > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.

> > > > Thanking you, Sir

> > > > Yours Obediently

> > > > K.Subramaniam

> > > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Subramaniam,

> > > > This refers to the details posted on the web / your website.

> Kindly

> > > do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA.

> My

> > > Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location

> of

> > > Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change,

> relocation to

> > > India and marriage.

> > > > yours faithfully,

> > > > Sunil

> > > > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

> > > >

> > > > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45

> > > +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> > > Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

> > > >

> > > > It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr.

> > > Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while

> his

> > > readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed

> to

> > > agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the

> past.

> > > But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very

> brief

> > > phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to

> say

> > > that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In

> any

> > > case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me.

> While

> > > I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would

> still

> > > encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit

> from

> > > this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In ,

> ~Rohit~

> > > <rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr.

> > > Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group.

> In

> > > fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion.

> If

> > > you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when

> they

> > > ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay

> the

> > > answer, they will themselves either say, is it through

> group or

> > > Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is

> > > flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message

> too

> > > > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> Dr

> > > Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be

> replying

> > > like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about

> 80%

> > > chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> >

> By

> > > the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and

> must

> > > be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to

> > > confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is

> similar

> > > to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to

> know

> > > at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in

> case

> > > you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion,

> but

> > > I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same

> > > yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that

> much of

> > > wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you

> find a

> > > good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth

> in

> > > what the other person is saying about you, you should not do

> anything

> > > or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my

> > > opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > > -----------------------------

> ----

> > > > > drkashyapanurag@>

> Date:

> > > Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW:

> > > Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also

> > > questions about details about timing but he gave very general

> answers

> > > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that

> there

> > > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not

> > > happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than

> i

> > > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we

> contact

> > > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to

> > > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars

> they

> > > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> I had

> also

> > > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position

> to

> > > comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say

> that

> > > with my past experience with others, I would consider him

> as " Less

> > > than satisfactory " . When I asked for specific dates, his comment

> > > was " Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge " , but the

> > > paradox is " What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then. " The

> response to

> > > the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general -

> > > motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can

> > > answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting

> > > exercise.> > > > To:

> > > > drkashyapanurag@> Date:

> Sat, 3

> > > May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail

> > > attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a

> > > jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about

> ur

> > > experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to,

> > > whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag>

> > > > " Hariharan.S " <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv

> > > never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend

> Vishwas

> > > has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline

> number

> > > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of

> Atri

> > > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad

> > > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > --

> ---

> > > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > To:

> > > @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008

> 10:59

> > > AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from

> > > Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan

> ne

> > > same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100

> > > percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal

> > > pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi>

> >

> > > best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@>

> wrote:

> > > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by

> > > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by

> word

> > > everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers

> cheat

> > > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly,

> > > Subramanian Hariharan > > > > >

> > Be

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Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Dear Shyam,

This is the prediction i hv received from Mr. Subramaniam.Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

From: shyamgururajDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 02:44:41 +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

Hello Mr. Hari,In case you haven't already done so, can you please review a word document named 'STUDENT.DOC' that has been attached to the 'Files' section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the same predictions as well.Regards,Shyam , 'Hari' <vaastro wrote:>> > Namaste,> > I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for > thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about> the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person> before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he> is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading through some> other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadi astrology..> > I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy .. most were> inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.> > I was quite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i will> wait for some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will> know if he is genuine reader. > > , 'shyamgururaj'> <shyamgururaj@> wrote:> >> > Well, Hariharan, you seem to have proven a point. I had posted my > > comments to just see if anyone could genuinely benifit from > > this 'naadi' before writing it off. It's quite shocking to see this > > fake prediction. Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot of > > people from getting misled.> > > > In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to see if the 'fake' Sunil > > coincidentally existed with the exact same DOB etc., and if yes, a > > genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)> > > > Regards,> > Shyam> > > > -> > > > -- In , Hariharan Subramanian > > <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Gururaj,> > > > > > His reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB > > Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his > > prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on > > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi > > prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake > > person.> > > > > > Respected Excellency,> > > Namaskar. The following > > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the sayingsin > > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.> > > ' You were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in > > Pisces make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your > > relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but > > deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood > > wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money. > > You will start business only after 48th year- before that not > > advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make > > money and develop in your Nation- property development- business with > > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute will be > > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success will come. Do > > not help any one with money. Helping tendency is more- try to assess > > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn astrology- very big > > name and fame will come as you will start some institutions after 8 > > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa chanting fetch a good > > result. > > > I have only one nadi- if more predictions requird- pl seach with > > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not have.> > > Thanking you, Sir> > > Yours Obediently> > > K.Subramaniam > > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Subramaniam,> > > This refers to the details posted on the web / your website. Kindly > > do the prediction for me. My name is Sunil Kumar .K from the USA. My > > Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of > > Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly predict me on my Job Change, relocation to > > India and marriage.> > > yours faithfully,> > > Sunil> > > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > > > > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8 May 2008 03:22:45 > > +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from > > Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was interesting to read about the email attachment that Mr. > > Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case, while his > > readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave seemed to > > agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in the past. > > But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over a very brief > > phone conversation which lasted for about 10 minutes.I do have to say > > that he did come across as a nice and a respectful gentleman. In any > > case, he did not request for any monetary compensation from me. While > > I sympathize with the people that got identical emails, I would still > > encourage folks to employ discretion to see if they can benefit from > > this Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~ > > <rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. > > Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In > > fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If > > you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they > > ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the > > answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or > > Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is > > flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message too > > > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> Dr > > Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be replying > > like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me about 80% > > chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto principle.> > By > > the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must > > be reading our mails as well.> > You are right. It only leads to > > confusion sometimes. But I feel that consulting astrolgers is similar > > to consulting doctors. When you meet a good doctor, you come to know > > at once by his way of examination, by his way of conduct. And in case > > you are not sure, you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but > > I strongly feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same > > yardstick the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of > > wisdom to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a > > good Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in > > what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything > > or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my > > opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > > > > > > drkashyapanurag@> > > Tue, 6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: > > Mail attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also > > questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers > > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that there > > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not > > happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i > > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we contact > > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the power to > > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the parihaars they > > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:> I had also > > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am not in a position to > > comment whether it was bad or good, but I would certainly say that > > with my past experience with others, I would consider him as 'Less > > than satisfactory'. When I asked for specific dates, his comment > > was 'Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum God ho jayenge', but the > > paradox is 'What is the purpose of Jeeva Naadi then.' The response to > > the five questions that I asked him was absolutely general - > > motherhood replies - which even a person going on the street can > > answer after hearing the questions. Seems like money minting > > exercise.> > > > > > > drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3 > > May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail > > attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a > > jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur > > experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, > > whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> > > > 'Hariharan.S' <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv > > never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas > > has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number > > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of Atri > > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had bad > > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan> > ----- > > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > > > @com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 > > AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from > > Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne > > same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 > > percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal > > pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> > > > best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@> wrote: > > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by > > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word > > everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers cheat > > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly, > > Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > > Be > > a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try > > it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > > > > > > > > > > > Skydrive - Get 5GB > > online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and documents > > online with ease. Try it now! > > > > > ------------------------------> > ---> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > > > > > --> > -------------------------------> WL Messenger : Stay connected to > > friends and family with the New . Get it now. > > Try it now! > > > > > > Be a better > > friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>> > >> >>

Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Hi,

I saw the readings mentioned in the email, want to suggest few points;

This seems to have been done from samhita and not on the basis of

naadi selection method.

a) For a regular naadi reading , you have to go to Naadi reader , he

takes a thumb print to identify the asc. leaf set and then starts the

verification process. Many people nowadays have it done over the web,

my personal thinking is that this is not the correct methodology and

since you are not a part of the verification process , error in

selection can be there at any level, however it is a personal choice

of an individual and his destiny.

b) Through Samhita : That explain Naadi principle, planetary position

in Rashi, Navamsa and based on permutation combination. This is based

on the astrologers skill and learning. In my knowledge very few

household exist who have this expertise left with them. These are

mainly from the traditional household of astrologer families from

Hoshiarpur (Punjab), Saharanpur , Orissa, Kerala , Kashmir ,

Kumbakonam (TamilNadu) where they are taught for almost 12-13 years on

these guideline with the meaning so that they can decide on the

principles and apply it correctly. The last person whome i met was

from Jammu has been learning and applying it with Yogini dasa for the

last 20years +.

c) Through Prasna siddhanta : Where you do not need the birth details,

this is practiced more so in Orissa, Andhra , TamilNadu and

Kerala(highest point - in practice and in terms of accuracy and

literature). Naadi also has it prasna naadi system, where for each age

year there are 1008 leaves and the reader select the leaf on the basis

of shells ( primarily a number). For example you will say x is 22

years, the reader will bring a leafset of leaves of 22years age period

and select a leaf on the basis of shells that are facing upwards. The

selection process is a secret formulae based on open shells and the

panchanga. Since i donot know about the selection process in further

detail , i leave it to reader judgement. The reader then starts

reading out the result no proof etc is mentioned , just the readings

start of. The error can be due to opening naadi at a wrong time, due

to incorrect panchangam, questioner just trying to test the naad

without true urge etc.

My thinking is that the readings below are through samhita. A samhita

practitioner improves with age and practice. You can apply a samhita

reading for anyone whether he exists or not, even if you give a

birthdate as 31-feb-1900, as long as the reader can compute the birth

details for the person and cast his chart.

Thanks!!!!!

, Hariharan Subramanian

<hariharan_sm wrote:

>

> Dear Shyam,

>

> This is the prediction i hv received from Mr. Subramaniam.Thank you,

Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

>

> : shyamgururaj: Sun, 11 May 2008 02:44:41

+0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

>

> Hello Mr. Hari,In case you haven't already done so, can you please

review a word document named 'STUDENT.DOC' that has been attached to

the 'Files' section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the same

predictions as well.Regards,Shyam--- In

, 'Hari' <vaastro@> wrote:>> > Namaste,>

> I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for >

thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about>

the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person>

before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he>

is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading through

some> other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadi

astrology..> > I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy ..

most were> inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.> > I was

quite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i will> wait

for some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will> know if

he is genuine reader. > > ,

'shyamgururaj'> <shyamgururaj@> wrote:> >> > Well, Hariharan, you seem

to have proven a point. I had posted my > > comments to just see if

anyone could genuinely benifit from > > this 'naadi' before writing it

off. It's quite shocking to see this > > fake prediction.

Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot of > > people from

getting misled.> > > > In a lighter vein, it would be interesting to

see if the 'fake' Sunil > > coincidentally existed with the exact same

DOB etc., and if yes, a > > genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)> > >

> Regards,> > Shyam> > > > -> > > > -- In

, Hariharan Subramanian > >

<hariharan_sm@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Gururaj,> > > > > > His

reading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB > >

Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his > >

prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on

> > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi > >

prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake > >

person.> > > > > > Respected Excellency,> > > Namaskar. The following

> > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep the

sayingsin > > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.> > > ' You

were born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in > > Pisces

make you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your > >

relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but > >

deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood > >

wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money.

> > You will start business only after 48th year- before that not > >

advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make >

> money and develop in your Nation- property development- business

with > > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family dispute

will be > > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- success

will come. Do > > not help any one with money. Helping tendency is

more- try to assess > > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learn

astrology- very big > > name and fame will come as you will start some

institutions after 8 > > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisa

chanting fetch a good > > result. > > > I have only one nadi- if more

predictions requird- pl seach with > > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do not

have.> > > Thanking you, Sir> > > Yours Obediently> > > K.Subramaniam

> > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >

Dear Mr. Subramaniam,> > > This refers to the details posted on the

web / your website. Kindly > > do the prediction for me. My name is

Sunil Kumar .K from the USA. My > > Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Time

of Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of > > Birth : jamshedpur. Kindly

predict me on my Job Change, relocation to > > India and marriage.> >

> yours faithfully,> > > Sunil> > > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian

Hariharan > > > > > > > > > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8

May 2008 03:22:45 > > +0000 Re: FW: Mail

attachment from > > Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > It was interesting to read about the email attachment that

Mr. > > Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case,

while his > > readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gave

seemed to > > agree with the other couple of readings that I've had in

the past. > > But, I have to confess that I my readings were done over

a very brief > > phone conversation which lasted for about 10

minutes.I do have to say > > that he did come across as a nice and a

respectful gentleman. In any > > case, he did not request for any

monetary compensation from me. While > > I sympathize with the people

that got identical emails, I would still > > encourage folks to employ

discretion to see if they can benefit from > > this

Nadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~ > >

<rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. > >

Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In >

> fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If >

> you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they

> > ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the

> > answer, they will themselves either say, is it through

or > > Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is

> > flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this message

too > > > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>

Dr > > Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to be

replying > > like a statistician or a management guru. He also told me

about 80% > > chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Pareto

principle.> > By > > the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this

and must > > be reading our mails as well.> > You are

right. It only leads to > > confusion sometimes. But I feel that

consulting astrolgers is similar > > to consulting doctors. When you

meet a good doctor, you come to know > > at once by his way of

examination, by his way of conduct. And in case > > you are not sure,

you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but > > I strongly

feel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same > > yardstick

the astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of > > wisdom

to separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a > > good

Naadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in > >

what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything

> > or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my >

> opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > >

> > > To:

> drkashyapanurag@> > > Tue,

6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: > > Mail

attachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also > >

questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers

> > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said that

there > > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not >

> happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i

> > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n we

contact > > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose the

power to > > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do the

parihaars they > > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@>

wrote:> I had also > > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I am

not in a position to > > comment whether it was bad or good, but I

would certainly say that > > with my past experience with others, I

would consider him as 'Less > > than satisfactory'. When I asked for

specific dates, his comment > > was 'Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to hum

God ho jayenge', but the > > paradox is 'What is the purpose of Jeeva

Naadi then.' The response to > > the five questions that I asked him

was absolutely general - > > motherhood replies - which even a person

going on the street can > > answer after hearing the questions. Seems

like money minting > > exercise.> > >

> > >

> drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3 >

> May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail > >

attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a > >

jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur >

> experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, >

> whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> > >

> 'Hariharan.S' <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv > >

never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas >

> has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number

> > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran Of

Atri > > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends had

bad > > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan>

> ----- > > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > > >

@com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 > >

AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from > >

Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne >

> same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 > >

percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal > >

pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> > >

> best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@>

wrote: > > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by

> > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word

> > everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamers

cheat > > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly, >

> Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > >

Be > > a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try > > it now. > > > > > > > > > > >

> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have

it. > > > > > > > > > > > Skydrive -

Get 5GB > > online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos and

documents > > online with ease. Try it now! > > > > >

------------------------------> > ---> Unlimited freedom, unlimited

storage. Get it now > > > > > > > --> >

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friends and family with the New . Get it now. >

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now.>> > >> >>

>

Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Hi,

If it is thro' Samhita, the readings for different people should be different but here the predictions are more or less same for everyone. I hv the readings of 5 of our members.Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan

From: shortcutfromdosDate: Sun, 11 May 2008 07:58:44 +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

Hi,I saw the readings mentioned in the email, want to suggest few points;This seems to have been done from samhita and not on the basis ofnaadi selection method. a) For a regular naadi reading , you have to go to Naadi reader , hetakes a thumb print to identify the asc. leaf set and then starts theverification process. Many people nowadays have it done over the web,my personal thinking is that this is not the correct methodology andsince you are not a part of the verification process , error inselection can be there at any level, however it is a personal choiceof an individual and his destiny.b) Through Samhita : That explain Naadi principle, planetary positionin Rashi, Navamsa and based on permutation combination. This is basedon the astrologers skill and learning. In my knowledge very fewhousehold exist who have this expertise left with them. These aremainly from the traditional household of astrologer families fromHoshiarpur (Punjab), Saharanpur , Orissa, Kerala , Kashmir ,Kumbakonam (TamilNadu) where they are taught for almost 12-13 years onthese guideline with the meaning so that they can decide on theprinciples and apply it correctly. The last person whome i met wasfrom Jammu has been learning and applying it with Yogini dasa for thelast 20years +.c) Through Prasna siddhanta : Where you do not need the birth details,this is practiced more so in Orissa, Andhra , TamilNadu andKerala(highest point - in practice and in terms of accuracy andliterature). Naadi also has it prasna naadi system, where for each ageyear there are 1008 leaves and the reader select the leaf on the basisof shells ( primarily a number). For example you will say x is 22years, the reader will bring a leafset of leaves of 22years age periodand select a leaf on the basis of shells that are facing upwards. Theselection process is a secret formulae based on open shells and thepanchanga. Since i donot know about the selection process in furtherdetail , i leave it to reader judgement. The reader then startsreading out the result no proof etc is mentioned , just the readingsstart of. The error can be due to opening naadi at a wrong time, dueto incorrect panchangam, questioner just trying to test the naadwithout true urge etc.My thinking is that the readings below are through samhita. A samhitapractitioner improves with age and practice. You can apply a samhitareading for anyone whether he exists or not, even if you give abirthdate as 31-feb-1900, as long as the reader can compute the birthdetails for the person and cast his chart.Thanks!!!!! , Hariharan Subramanian<hariharan_sm wrote:>> > Dear Shyam,> > This is the prediction i hv received from Mr. Subramaniam.Thank you,Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > > : shyamgururaj: Sun, 11 May 2008 02:44:41+0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment fromSubramaniam -- Naadi Members ...> > > > Hello Mr. Hari,In case you haven't already done so, can you pleasereview a word document named 'STUDENT.DOC' that has been attached tothe 'Files' section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the samepredictions as well.Regards,Shyam--- In , 'Hari' <vaastro@> wrote:>> > Namaste,>> I also had a reading from Mr K subramaniam. He is not asking for >thumbprint ,just asking birth details. and almost never asked about>the typical questions that a real naadi reader would ask a person>before he can locate the person naadi leaf..so you can guess that he>is just using the birth chart/details and getting reading throughsome> other form of naadi techniques..which he himself calls nadiastrology..> > I had had several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy ..most were> inaccurate and gave vague predictions or reading.> > I wasquite surprised by what this astrologer's reading though,i will> waitfor some time if whatever he had predicted come true and will> know ifhe is genuine reader. > > ,'shyamgururaj'> <shyamgururaj@> wrote:> >> > Well, Hariharan, you seemto have proven a point. I had posted my > > comments to just see ifanyone could genuinely benifit from > > this 'naadi' before writing itoff. It's quite shocking to see this > > fake prediction.Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a lot of > > people fromgetting misled.> > > > In a lighter vein, it would be interesting tosee if the 'fake' Sunil > > coincidentally existed with the exact sameDOB etc., and if yes, a > > genuine 'naadi' could confirm that:)> > >> Regards,> > Shyam> > > > -> > > > -- In , Hariharan Subramanian > ><hariharan_sm@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Gururaj,> > > > > > Hisreading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB > >Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his > >prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions on> > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi > >prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake > >person.> > > > > > Respected Excellency,> > > Namaskar. The following> > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep thesayingsin > > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.> > > ' Youwere born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in > > Piscesmake you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your > >relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but > >deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood > >wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's money.> > You will start business only after 48th year- before that not > >advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You make >> money and develop in your Nation- property development- businesswith > > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family disputewill be > > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts- successwill come. Do > > not help any one with money. Helping tendency ismore- try to assess > > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You learnastrology- very big > > name and fame will come as you will start someinstitutions after 8 > > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman Salisachanting fetch a good > > result. > > > I have only one nadi- if morepredictions requird- pl seach with > > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do nothave.> > > Thanking you, Sir> > > Yours Obediently> > > K.Subramaniam> > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Mr. Subramaniam,> > > This refers to the details posted on theweb / your website. Kindly > > do the prediction for me. My name isSunil Kumar .K from the USA. My > > Date of Birth is 28/05/1968. Timeof Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of > > Birth : jamshedpur. Kindlypredict me on my Job Change, relocation to > > India and marriage.> >> yours faithfully,> > > Sunil> > > Thank you, Sincerly, SubramanianHariharan > > > > > > > > > @: shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8May 2008 03:22:45 > > +0000 Re: FW: Mailattachment from > > Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > It was interesting to read about the email attachment thatMr. > > Subramaniam had sent to a couple of memebers. In my case,while his > > readings were not very deep, the overall picture it gaveseemed to > > agree with the other couple of readings that I've had inthe past. > > But, I have to confess that I my readings were done overa very brief > > phone conversation which lasted for about 10minutes.I do have to say > > that he did come across as a nice and arespectful gentleman. In any > > case, he did not request for anymonetary compensation from me. While > > I sympathize with the peoplethat got identical emails, I would still > > encourage folks to employdiscretion to see if they can benefit from > > thisNadi.Regards,Shyam-- In , ~Rohit~ > ><rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. > >Eashwaran, most naadi readers of Pune are members of this Group. In >> fact some are using multiple fake ids and doing self promotion. If >> you happen to visit or call any of the Pune naadi readers when they> > ask the reference from where we got it, if you manage to delay the> > answer, they will themselves either say, is it through or > > Shashikant ji. That's my personal experience. Their business is> > flourishing thanks to this group. They are reading this messagetoo > > > > Regards,> Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>Dr > > Kashyap> > Thanks for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to bereplying > > like a statistician or a management guru. He also told meabout 80% > > chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Paretoprinciple.> > By > > the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must > > be reading our mails as well.> > You areright. It only leads to > > confusion sometimes. But I feel thatconsulting astrolgers is similar > > to consulting doctors. When youmeet a good doctor, you come to know > > at once by his way ofexamination, by his way of conduct. And in case > > you are not sure,you go for a second opinion or a third opinion, but > > I stronglyfeel that we must evaluate the doctors and by the same > > yardstickthe astrologers also. Atleast God has given us that much of > > wisdomto separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till the time you find a > > goodNaadi centre where you get a strong feeling about the truth in > >what the other person is saying about you, you should not do anything> > or everything the other person recommends you to do. That is my >> opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > > >> > > > drkashyapanurag@> > > Tue,6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: > > Mailattachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also > >questions about details about timing but he gave very general answers> > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said thatthere > > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that not >> happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive than i> > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n wecontact > > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose thepower to > > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do theparihaars they > > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@>wrote:> I had also > > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for Jeeva Naadi. I amnot in a position to > > comment whether it was bad or good, but Iwould certainly say that > > with my past experience with others, Iwould consider him as 'Less > > than satisfactory'. When I asked forspecific dates, his comment > > was 'Agar hum yeh bata paayenge to humGod ho jayenge', but the > > paradox is 'What is the purpose of JeevaNaadi then.' The response to > > the five questions that I asked himwas absolutely general - > > motherhood replies - which even a persongoing on the street can > > answer after hearing the questions. Seemslike money minting > > exercise.> > >> > > > drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3 >> May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail > >attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a > >jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur >> experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to, >> whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> > >> 'Hariharan.S' <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv > >never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas >> has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline number> > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran OfAtri > > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends hadbad > > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S. Hariharan>> ----- > > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela > > >@com > Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:59 > >AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from > >Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne >> same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 > >percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal > >pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> > >> best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@>wrote: > > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the predictions done by> > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas gujar. Word by word> > everything is the same except the addressee. See, How scamerscheat > > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank you, Sincerly, >> Subramanian Hariharan > > > > > >Be > > a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.Try > > it now. > > > > > > > > > > >> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we haveit. > > > > > > > > > > > Skydrive -Get 5GB > > online space for FREE!. Store and share music, photos anddocuments > > online with ease. Try it now! > > > > >------------------------------> > ---> Unlimited freedom, unlimitedstorage. Get it now > > > > > > > --> >-------------------------------> WL Messenger : Stay connected to > >friends and family with the New . Get it now. >> Try it now! > > > > > > Be a better> > friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try itnow.>> > >> >>>

Posted May 11, 2008 · May 11, 2008

Hi,

Astrologically very low possibility that 5 members will have the same

reading. This can happen only if the lagna and planetary position are

exactly same which is normally in the case of twins/triplets/etc

(where the birth chart is rectified based on navamsa positions of

birth to derieve correct charts). 5 different people (different

meaning born at different interval of times) getting same reading , my

experience suggests it cannot be Naadi astrology/samhita.

Thanks

, Hariharan Subramanian

<hariharan_sm wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> If it is thro' Samhita, the readings for different people should be

different but here the predictions are more or less same for everyone.

I hv the readings of 5 of our members.Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian

Hariharan

>

> : shortcutfromdos: Sun, 11 May 2008

07:58:44 +0000 Re: FW: Mail attachment from

Subramaniam -- Naadi Members ...

>

> Hi,I saw the readings mentioned in the email, want to suggest few

points;This seems to have been done from samhita and not on the basis

ofnaadi selection method. a) For a regular naadi reading , you have to

go to Naadi reader , hetakes a thumb print to identify the asc. leaf

set and then starts theverification process. Many people nowadays have

it done over the web,my personal thinking is that this is not the

correct methodology andsince you are not a part of the verification

process , error inselection can be there at any level, however it is a

personal choiceof an individual and his destiny.b) Through Samhita :

That explain Naadi principle, planetary positionin Rashi, Navamsa and

based on permutation combination. This is basedon the astrologers

skill and learning. In my knowledge very fewhousehold exist who have

this expertise left with them. These aremainly from the traditional

household of astrologer families fromHoshiarpur (Punjab), Saharanpur ,

Orissa, Kerala , Kashmir ,Kumbakonam (TamilNadu) where they are taught

for almost 12-13 years onthese guideline with the meaning so that they

can decide on theprinciples and apply it correctly. The last person

whome i met wasfrom Jammu has been learning and applying it with

Yogini dasa for thelast 20years +.c) Through Prasna siddhanta : Where

you do not need the birth details,this is practiced more so in Orissa,

Andhra , TamilNadu andKerala(highest point - in practice and in terms

of accuracy andliterature). Naadi also has it prasna naadi system,

where for each ageyear there are 1008 leaves and the reader select the

leaf on the basisof shells ( primarily a number). For example you will

say x is 22years, the reader will bring a leafset of leaves of 22years

age periodand select a leaf on the basis of shells that are facing

upwards. Theselection process is a secret formulae based on open

shells and thepanchanga. Since i donot know about the selection

process in furtherdetail , i leave it to reader judgement. The reader

then startsreading out the result no proof etc is mentioned , just the

readingsstart of. The error can be due to opening naadi at a wrong

time, dueto incorrect panchangam, questioner just trying to test the

naadwithout true urge etc.My thinking is that the readings below are

through samhita. A samhitapractitioner improves with age and practice.

You can apply a samhitareading for anyone whether he exists or not,

even if you give abirthdate as 31-feb-1900, as long as the reader can

compute the birthdetails for the person and cast his

chart.Thanks!!!!! , Hariharan

Subramanian<hariharan_sm@> wrote:>> > Dear Shyam,> > This is the

prediction i hv received from Mr. Subramaniam.Thank you,Sincerly,

Subramanian Hariharan > > > @: shyamgururaj@: Sun,

11 May 2008 02:44:41+0000 Re: FW: Mail

attachment fromSubramaniam -- Naadi Members ...> > > > Hello Mr.

Hari,In case you haven't already done so, can you pleasereview a word

document named 'STUDENT.DOC' that has been attached tothe 'Files'

section in this forum. Curious to know if you got the samepredictions

as well.Regards,Shyam--- In , 'Hari'

<vaastro@> wrote:>> > Namaste,>> I also had a reading from Mr K

subramaniam. He is not asking for >thumbprint ,just asking birth

details. and almost never asked about>the typical questions that a

real naadi reader would ask a person>before he can locate the person

naadi leaf..so you can guess that he>is just using the birth

chart/details and getting reading throughsome> other form of naadi

techniques..which he himself calls nadiastrology..> > I had had

several readings from KP, vedic astrolgy ..most were> inaccurate and

gave vague predictions or reading.> > I wasquite surprised by what

this astrologer's reading though,i will> waitfor some time if whatever

he had predicted come true and will> know ifhe is genuine reader. > >

,'shyamgururaj'> <shyamgururaj@>

wrote:> >> > Well, Hariharan, you seemto have proven a point. I had

posted my > > comments to just see ifanyone could genuinely benifit

from > > this 'naadi' before writing itoff. It's quite shocking to see

this > > fake prediction.Nevertheless, I am sure this will prevent a

lot of > > people fromgetting misled.> > > > In a lighter vein, it

would be interesting tosee if the 'fake' Sunil > > coincidentally

existed with the exact sameDOB etc., and if yes, a > > genuine 'naadi'

could confirm that:)> > >> Regards,> > Shyam> > > > -> > > > --

In , Hariharan Subramanian >

><hariharan_sm@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Gururaj,> > > > > >

Hisreading are not geneuine. My friend has sent a fake name / DOB >

>Details to Mr.Subramaniam for prediction. Pl find below his >

>prediction for that nameless fake person. He is making predictions

on> > the basis of horoscope details. If he is making real naadi >

>prediction, the following prediction wouldn't hv come for a fake >

>person.> > > > > > Respected Excellency,> > > Namaskar. The

following> > predictions are found. Do not believe totally. You keep

thesayingsin > > mind- which ever suits you you may consider.> > > '

Youwere born on Tuesday. Miruhasirisha-satturn and Raghu in > >

Piscesmake you to travel on Universe. Hard working person. All your >

>relatives are using you as a ladder.Very short tempered person but >

>deep thinker. Mangal- venus and mercury in tarus bring you agood >

>wealth- you are adivine person as you will never touch other's

money.> > You will start business only after 48th year- before that

not > >advisable- before 60th year you will make plenty of money. You

make >> money and develop in your Nation- property development-

businesswith > > collaboration will be made. Good wife- some family

disputewill be > > settled in 2009. Only after repeated attempts-

successwill come. Do > > not help any one with money. Helping tendency

ismore- try to assess > > people and do. Life up to 81 years. You

learnastrology- very big > > name and fame will come as you will start

someinstitutions after 8 > > years. Pray Lord Maha Bali. Hanuman

Salisachanting fetch a good > > result. > > > I have only one nadi- if

morepredictions requird- pl seach with > > AGASTIYA NADI- which I do

nothave.> > > Thanking you, Sir> > > Yours Obediently> > >

K.Subramaniam> > > On 5/9/08, scorpioncan@ <scorpioncan@> wrote: > > >

> > > > > >Dear Mr. Subramaniam,> > > This refers to the details

posted on theweb / your website. Kindly > > do the prediction for me.

My name isSunil Kumar .K from the USA. My > > Date of Birth is

28/05/1968. Timeof Birth : 5.30 A.M. Location of > > Birth :

jamshedpur. Kindlypredict me on my Job Change, relocation to > > India

and marriage.> >> yours faithfully,> > > Sunil> > > Thank you,

Sincerly, SubramanianHariharan > > > > > > > > > @:

shyamgururaj@: Thu, 8May 2008 03:22:45 > > +0000Subject:

Re: FW: Mailattachment from > > Subramaniam -- Naadi

Members ...> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > It was interesting to read

about the email attachment thatMr. > > Subramaniam had sent to a

couple of memebers. In my case,while his > > readings were not very

deep, the overall picture it gaveseemed to > > agree with the other

couple of readings that I've had inthe past. > > But, I have to

confess that I my readings were done overa very brief > > phone

conversation which lasted for about 10minutes.I do have to say > >

that he did come across as a nice and arespectful gentleman. In any >

> case, he did not request for anymonetary compensation from me. While

> > I sympathize with the peoplethat got identical emails, I would

still > > encourage folks to employdiscretion to see if they can

benefit from > > thisNadi.Regards,Shyam-- In

, ~Rohit~ > ><rrohit_123@> wrote:>> Dear

Vivek,> > You are right. Not only Mr. > >Eashwaran, most naadi readers

of Pune are members of this Group. In >> fact some are using multiple

fake ids and doing self promotion. If >> you happen to visit or call

any of the Pune naadi readers when they> > ask the reference from

where we got it, if you manage to delay the> > answer, they will

themselves either say, is it through or > > Shashikant ji.

That's my personal experience. Their business is> > flourishing thanks

to this group. They are reading this messagetoo > > > > Regards,>

Rohit> > Vivek Khurana <vivekkhurana@> wrote:>Dr > > Kashyap> > Thanks

for the mail. Mr. Eashwaran seems to bereplying > > like a

statistician or a management guru. He also told meabout 80% > >

chances. Seems that he is very fond of the Paretoprinciple.> > By > >

the way, Mr. Eashwaran is also a member of this and must >

> be reading our mails as well.> > You areright. It only leads to > >

confusion sometimes. But I feel thatconsulting astrolgers is similar >

> to consulting doctors. When youmeet a good doctor, you come to know

> > at once by his way ofexamination, by his way of conduct. And in

case > > you are not sure,you go for a second opinion or a third

opinion, but > > I stronglyfeel that we must evaluate the doctors and

by the same > > yardstickthe astrologers also. Atleast God has given

us that much of > > wisdomto separate wheat from the chaff.> > Till

the time you find a > > goodNaadi centre where you get a strong

feeling about the truth in > >what the other person is saying about

you, you should not do anything> > or everything the other person

recommends you to do. That is my >> opinion.> > Regards.> > Vivek> > >

>> > >

> drkashyapanurag@> > >

Tue,6 May 2008 02:43:44 +0100> RE: FW: > >

Mailattachment from Subramaniam> > my words u know .......i also >

>questions about details about timing but he gave very general

answers> > nothing specific..infact for one of my questions he said

thatthere > > is 80% chance of this happening and 20% chance of that

not >> happening...infact it had me more confused n more indecisive

than i> > ever was> its a pity actually that we get weak sometimes n

wecontact > > people in our weak moments n then we actually looose

thepower to > > take our own decisions....but its still gud to do

theparihaars they > > advise> dr anurag> > Vivek Khurana

<vivekkhurana@>wrote:> I had also > > contacted Mr. Eashwaran for

Jeeva Naadi. I amnot in a position to > > comment whether it was bad

or good, but Iwould certainly say that > > with my past experience

with others, Iwould consider him as 'Less > > than satisfactory'. When

I asked forspecific dates, his comment > > was 'Agar hum yeh bata

paayenge to humGod ho jayenge', but the > > paradox is 'What is the

purpose of JeevaNaadi then.' The response to > > the five questions

that I asked himwas absolutely general - > > motherhood replies -

which even a persongoing on the street can > > answer after hearing

the questions. Seemslike money minting > > exercise.> >

>> >

> > drkashyapanurag@> Sat, 3

>> May 2008 09:17:18 +0100> Re: FW: Mail >

>attachment from Subramaniam> > i had contacted mr eashwaran for a >

>jeeva naadi reading, from naadiguruontheweb.com plz tell me about ur

>> experience with him, n is he the same person we are reffreing to,

>> whom u sdaid ur frend had a bad experience > thanks> dr anurag> >

>> 'Hariharan.S' <hariharan_sm@> wrote:> Dear Mr. Krishna,> > I hv >

>never come across any very good Naadi reader. But My friend Vishwas

>> has referred me one Naadi Reader Mr. Veeramani. His Landline

number> > is 020-65000275 .> > You must be referring to Mr. Eashwaran

OfAtri > > Maharishi Graha Naadi. If he is the person, My friends

hadbad > > experience with him .> > Thanks,> > Regards,> > S.

Hariharan>> ----- > > Original Message ----- > krishna gajjela >

> >@com > Saturday, May 03, 2008

10:59 > >AM> Re: FW: Mail attachment from >

>Subramaniam> > > dear hariharan sir> > > mere ko bhi subramaniyan ne

>> same prediction diyahen> me send karrahahun. plaese ek achha 100 >

>percent nadi reader ka adress digiyee.> me is ye pahale 12 saal >

>pahale ek nadi reader ne bathaye o hen atri maharshi graha naadi> >

>> best regards> krishna> > Hariharan Subramanian

<hariharan_sm@>wrote: > > Hello members,> > The enclosed are the

predictions done by> > Subramaniam from coimbatore for me and vishwas

gujar. Word by word> > everything is the same except the addressee.

See, How scamerscheat > > in the name of famous astrologers?> > Thank

you, Sincerly, >> Subramanian Hariharan > > > > >

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