Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 hi friends, Thanks for your contributions in helping people spread knowledge about nadi. Could someone please tell me where i can get good naadi reader? perhaps someone with original or close to original leaves? Is mr. poosamuthu in vaitheesvaran kovil is still a genuine place to go? People are saying they are very commercial these days. Please guide me as i am leaving india very soon. Thanks in advance for your help.--- On Wed, 4/30/08, wrote: Digest Number 600 Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 8:43 AM Naadi Astrology Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1a. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Rajan Rajan 1b. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re svc_astro 1c. Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. madhusudan sadagopan 1d. Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Hariharan Subramanian 1e. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar 1f. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Dharmesh Chohan View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Posted by: "Rajan Rajan" rajanwho rajanwho Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:30 am (PDT) Dear Mr. Naveen,I could read your letter only few minutes ago.My best appreciation and sincere thanks for the eye opener.But, how many eyes could be opened...I really wonder.I fully endorse your views .. wise it is .. to the core.Remain connected..regardsRajan Rajan A.P.Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ >Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:59:56 PMRe: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb. org - Please readDear friends I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions. To start with: "Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes?", etc. Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about? a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers? b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members. Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps manyof us will start doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India. We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one. Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself. Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice. Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group. Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines? WHAT NEXT????!!!! ! How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions? Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction? This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them. I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group. Thanks. nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ gmail.com> wrote:one question to all . do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also. i think amount is decided by reader.____________ _________ _________ __Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1b. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Posted by: "svc_astro" svc_astro svc_astro Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 am (PDT) Dear All - Namaste. Just joined back after a few days, This posting caught my eye. My 2 cents..In my humble opinion/experience one must not run after naadi readers. Naadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. There is something called 'Divine Will'. Allow the 'Divine Will' to run your life. The Maharishi himself will pull you towards him. YES, A genuine jeeva naadi reading comes to a jeeva only when he is moving from stage of darkness to light. This happens when the jeeva has progressed enough viz. exhausted his karma to the point that he is ready to receive & understand the bliss to be bestowed from Shree Gurudeva. Again, there is no need for everyone to keep running around madly to naadi readers to get a reading. Lower the expectation( s) in life. Fulfill your karma consciously everyday in your daily work, hoursehold chores and family duties. Leave rest to guru & god. if your prarabdha karma (karma that *has* to manifest in this lifetime) is revealed through the jeeva nadi please do also understand that this is indeed the karunya bhava of the maharishi who is bestowing you upon this knowledge so that you may serve mankind better. Best Wishes., Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends> > I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions.> > To start with: "Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes?", etc.> > Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about?> > a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers?> > b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members.> > Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start> doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India.> > We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one.> > Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself.> > Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice.> > Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group.> > Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines?> > WHAT NEXT????!!!! !> > How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions?> > Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction?> > This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them.> > I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group.> > Thanks.> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > one question to all . > > do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.> i think amount is decided by reader.> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1c. Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. Posted by: "madhusudan sadagopan" madhusudan01 madhusudan01 Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:02 pm (PDT) Dear members ,If you have been told to perform pariharam in temples then plsread on.1. First is to locate the nearest temple from yourresidence/hotel. The naadi reader also agrees that it does notmatter which temple you have to do pariharam first.2. It is best if you try to reach the temple at the earliest, youcan enjoy the ambience and absorb the spiritual essence of thetemple. Mostly the town temple will open by 5:30am.The temples situated in the villages will only be ready by8:00am. Though the watchmanopens the temple by 6:00am sometimes it gets delayed. It isalways better to travel to the town temple first and then to thevillage temple next.3. Normally you will told to light lamp and perform archana onlord ganapathy, lord shiva, goddess parvathy and the planet lord.4.The night before you perform the pujas , buy all what isnecessary for the pujasFor archana to one Lord you should have -a. Two banana eachb. Flowers ( jasmine one lenght).c. Betel leaves.d. A packet of supari(betel nut).e.Camphor packets.f. A coconut.g. A clay lamp with cotton and oil.You could get all this from outside the temple itself, butsuppose you are arriving early you will not find anyone to sell.5. When you reach the temple you can start slowly lighting allthe lamps. One by one. And always the first is Lord Ganapathy.6. Pujari will perform the early morning aarti to the lords thenhe will be ready to begin the archanas.7. Pray intensely during the achana and sit in the temple forsometime before starting for the other temples.8. If you wish to feed the poor people you can buy the foodpackets from the temple itself.But this is only available in town temples and thats also after10 am. There are also mini dhabhas which will sell idly , riceetc.Best is to make packets and distribute it fast. Some places likeSuryanar koil, in hotels they give coupons to be distributed topoor.Just keep giving the packets and move, if you stop u willsurrounded by a lot of them. Keep small money changes in handalso.9. Some pujaris ask some fixed rate(100rs) to perform pujas andsome dont. Be prepared.I request our members to add if i missed something.Best wishes,msBe a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.<http://us.rd. / evt=51733/ *http://mobile. / ;_ylt=\Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao 8Wcj9tAcJ > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1d. Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Hariharan Subramanian" hariharan_sm bdmprofile Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:10 pm (PDT) Dear Rohit & Friends,has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1e. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar" vbgujar vishwas_gujar Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) Hi Hariharan,Yes, I did contact Mr. Subramaniam for a free prediction. I sent him my DOB and time. Within an hour I received prediction inthe form of a DOC file!The prediction was done withourt my thumb impression!The prediction overall is in general and is not specific.Regards,Vishwas GujarMo.: 09372402614Pune.On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 Hariharan Subramanian wrote :>>Dear Rohit & Friends,>>has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1f. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Dharmesh Chohan" chohand chohand99 Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) HiI have sent him an email but there is no reply from him.RegardsDharmesh2008/4/30 Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@ hotmail.com>:> Dear Rohit & Friends,>> has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Krishna, I got the news that Poosamuthu is very old now and only his followers r reading the Naadi. Anyhow pl check the authenticity of him if you go to Vaideeshwaran Temple. Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan ; notify-dg- From: krishnaplayDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:33:34 -0700Re: Digest Number 600 hi friends, Thanks for your contributions in helping people spread knowledge about nadi. Could someone please tell me where i can get good naadi reader? perhaps someone with original or close to original leaves? Is mr. poosamuthu in vaitheesvaran kovil is still a genuine place to go? People are saying they are very commercial these days. Please guide me as i am leaving india very soon. Thanks in advance for your help.--- On Wed, 4/30/08, wrote: Digest Number 600 Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 8:43 AM Naadi Astrology Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1a. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Rajan Rajan 1b. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re svc_astro 1c. Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. madhusudan sadagopan 1d. Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Hariharan Subramanian 1e. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar 1f. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Dharmesh Chohan View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Posted by: "Rajan Rajan" rajanwho rajanwho Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:30 am (PDT) Dear Mr. Naveen,I could read your letter only few minutes ago.My best appreciation and sincere thanks for the eye opener.But, how many eyes could be opened...I really wonder.I fully endorse your views .. wise it is .. to the core.Remain connected..regardsRajan Rajan A.P.Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ >Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:59:56 PMRe: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb. org - Please readDear friends I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions. To start with: "Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes?", etc. Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about? a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers? b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members. Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps manyof us will start doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India. We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one. Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself. Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice. Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group. Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines? WHAT NEXT????!!!! ! How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions? Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction? This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them. I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group. Thanks. nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ gmail.com> wrote:one question to all . do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also. i think amount is decided by reader.____________ _________ _________ __Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1b. Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Posted by: "svc_astro" svc_astro svc_astro Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 am (PDT) Dear All - Namaste. Just joined back after a few days, This posting caught my eye. My 2 cents..In my humble opinion/experience one must not run after naadi readers. Naadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. There is something called 'Divine Will'. Allow the 'Divine Will' to run your life. The Maharishi himself will pull you towards him. YES, A genuine jeeva naadi reading comes to a jeeva only when he is moving from stage of darkness to light. This happens when the jeeva has progressed enough viz. exhausted his karma to the point that he is ready to receive & understand the bliss to be bestowed from Shree Gurudeva. Again, there is no need for everyone to keep running around madly to naadi readers to get a reading. Lower the expectation( s) in life. Fulfill your karma consciously everyday in your daily work, hoursehold chores and family duties. Leave rest to guru & god. if your prarabdha karma (karma that *has* to manifest in this lifetime) is revealed through the jeeva nadi please do also understand that this is indeed the karunya bhava of the maharishi who is bestowing you upon this knowledge so that you may serve mankind better. Best Wishes., Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends> > I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions.> > To start with: "Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes?", etc.> > Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about?> > a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers?> > b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members.> > Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start> doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India.> > We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one.> > Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself.> > Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice.> > Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group.> > Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines?> > WHAT NEXT????!!!! !> > How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions?> > Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction?> > This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them.> > I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group.> > Thanks.> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > one question to all . > > do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.> i think amount is decided by reader.> > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1c. Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. Posted by: "madhusudan sadagopan" madhusudan01 madhusudan01 Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:02 pm (PDT) Dear members ,If you have been told to perform pariharam in temples then plsread on.1. First is to locate the nearest temple from yourresidence/hotel. The naadi reader also agrees that it does notmatter which temple you have to do pariharam first.2. It is best if you try to reach the temple at the earliest, youcan enjoy the ambience and absorb the spiritual essence of thetemple. Mostly the town temple will open by 5:30am.The temples situated in the villages will only be ready by8:00am. Though the watchmanopens the temple by 6:00am sometimes it gets delayed. It isalways better to travel to the town temple first and then to thevillage temple next.3. Normally you will told to light lamp and perform archana onlord ganapathy, lord shiva, goddess parvathy and the planet lord.4.The night before you perform the pujas , buy all what isnecessary for the pujasFor archana to one Lord you should have -a. Two banana eachb. Flowers ( jasmine one lenght).c. Betel leaves.d. A packet of supari(betel nut).e.Camphor packets.f. A coconut.g. A clay lamp with cotton and oil.You could get all this from outside the temple itself, butsuppose you are arriving early you will not find anyone to sell.5. When you reach the temple you can start slowly lighting allthe lamps. One by one. And always the first is Lord Ganapathy.6. Pujari will perform the early morning aarti to the lords thenhe will be ready to begin the archanas.7. Pray intensely during the achana and sit in the temple forsometime before starting for the other temples.8. If you wish to feed the poor people you can buy the foodpackets from the temple itself.But this is only available in town temples and thats also after10 am. There are also mini dhabhas which will sell idly , riceetc.Best is to make packets and distribute it fast. Some places likeSuryanar koil, in hotels they give coupons to be distributed topoor.Just keep giving the packets and move, if you stop u willsurrounded by a lot of them. Keep small money changes in handalso.9. Some pujaris ask some fixed rate(100rs) to perform pujas andsome dont. Be prepared.I request our members to add if i missed something.Best wishes,msBe a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.<http://us.rd. / evt=51733/ *http://mobile. / ;_ylt=\Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao 8Wcj9tAcJ > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1d. Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Hariharan Subramanian" hariharan_sm (AT) hotmail (DOT) com bdmprofile Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:10 pm (PDT) Dear Rohit & Friends,has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1e. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar" vbgujar (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com vishwas_gujar Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) Hi Hariharan,Yes, I did contact Mr. Subramaniam for a free prediction. I sent him my DOB and time. Within an hour I received prediction inthe form of a DOC file!The prediction was done withourt my thumb impression!The prediction overall is in general and is not specific.Regards,Vishwas GujarMo.: 09372402614Pune.On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 Hariharan Subramanian wrote :>>Dear Rohit & Friends,>>has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1f. Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Posted by: "Dharmesh Chohan" chohand chohand99 Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) HiI have sent him an email but there is no reply from him.RegardsDharmesh2008/4/30 Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@ hotmail.com>:> Dear Rohit & Friends,>> has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any> Feedback?>> Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan>> ------------ --------- --------->> > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) Recent Activity 38 New Members 1 New FilesVisit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Earth Day 2008 Get things and get things for free. Find out how. Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Calendar Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 dears nadi lovers, i went three nadi readers upto now.one reader told that"my thumb impression is wheel type, so life is up and down. 2nd nadi reader told that" my thumb impression is sheku type.i asked second nadi reader about my thumb impression he told that"sheku".i said to him that frist nadi reader told me that" wheel type, how u can say that sheku now,then he said me by doing calculating we got that.and aslo he given one ex:if u want to come hyderabad there different ways, from chenni u can come,from mumbai u cam come,from banglore u can come,destation is same,which way u come is not matter goal is main.(sages have different methods to know thumb impression)he said me. still now iam in confuse.NILAM.SURESH Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 hariharan, Thanks for reply. Could you please forward address & phone nos of some genuine readers around chennai. Thankyou in advance , Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm wrote: > > > Dear Krishna, > > I got the news that Poosamuthu is very old now and only his followers r reading the Naadi. Anyhow pl check the authenticity of him if you go to Vaideeshwaran Temple. > Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > > ; notify-dg-: krishnaplay: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:33:34 -0700Re: Digest Number 600 > > > hi friends, > Thanks for your contributions in helping people spread knowledge about nadi. > > Could someone please tell me where i can get good naadi reader? perhaps someone with original or close to original leaves? > > Is mr. poosamuthu in vaitheesvaran kovil is still a genuine place to go? People are saying they are very commercial these days. > > Please guide me as i am leaving india very soon. Thanks in advance for your help.--- On Wed, 4/30/08, wrote: > Digest Number 600: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 8:43 AM > > > Naadi Astrology > > Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) > > > 1a. > Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re Rajan Rajan > 1b. > Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re svc_astro > 1c. > Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. madhusudan sadagopan > 1d. > Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Hariharan Subramanian > 1e. > Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar > 1f. > Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam Dharmesh Chohan > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > > > 1a. > > Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re > Posted by: " Rajan Rajan " rajanwho rajanwho > Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:30 am (PDT) > Dear Mr. Naveen,I could read your letter only few minutes ago.My best appreciation and sincere thanks for the eye opener.But, how many eyes could be opened...I really wonder.I fully endorse your views .. wise it is .. to the core.Remain connected..regardsRajan Rajan A.P.Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ >@ . comSaturday, April 26, 2008 11:59:56 PMRe: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb. org - Please readDear friends I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions. To start with: " Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes? " , etc. Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about? a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers? b) Take benefit of the " so much research " that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members. Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps manyof us will start doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India. We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one. Should we put labels on pandit X as " Fraud " or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself. Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice. Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group. Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines? WHAT NEXT????!!!! ! How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions? Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction? This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them. I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group. Thanks. nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ gmail.com> wrote:one question to all . do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also. i think amount is decided by reader.____________ _________ _________ __Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > 1b. > > Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please re > Posted by: " svc_astro " svc_astro svc_astro > Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 am (PDT) > Dear All - Namaste. Just joined back after a few days, This posting caught my eye. My 2 cents..In my humble opinion/experience one must not run after naadi readers. Naadi reading will come to you sitting in your house if it is intended to. There is something called 'Divine Will'. Allow the 'Divine Will' to run your life. The Maharishi himself will pull you towards him. YES, A genuine jeeva naadi reading comes to a jeeva only when he is moving from stage of darkness to light. This happens when the jeeva has progressed enough viz. exhausted his karma to the point that he is ready to receive & understand the bliss to be bestowed from Shree Gurudeva. Again, there is no need for everyone to keep running around madly to naadi readers to get a reading. Lower the expectation( s) in life. Fulfill your karma consciously everyday in your daily work, hoursehold chores and family duties. Leave rest to guru & god. if your prarabdha karma (karma that *has* to manifest in this lifetime) is revealed through the jeeva nadi please do also understand that this is indeed the karunya bhava of the maharishi who is bestowing you upon this knowledge so that you may serve mankind better. Best Wishes., Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends> > I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions.> > To start with: " Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes? " , etc.> > Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about?> > a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers?> > b) Take benefit of the " so much research " that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members.> > Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start> doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India.> > We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one.> > Should we put labels on pandit X as " Fraud " or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself.> > Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice.> > Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group.> > Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines?> > WHAT NEXT????!!!! !> > How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions?> > Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction?> > This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them.> > I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group.> > Thanks.> > nitin jain <ecstacymaster@ ...> wrote:> > one question to all . > > do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.> i think amount is decided by reader.> > > > > > > > > > > ---- -------- --------- --------- ---> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > 1c. > > Preparing for temple pariharam. Some tips. > Posted by: " madhusudan sadagopan " madhusudan01 madhusudan01 > Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:02 pm (PDT) > Dear members ,If you have been told to perform pariharam in temples then plsread on.1. First is to locate the nearest temple from yourresidence/hotel. The naadi reader also agrees that it does notmatter which temple you have to do pariharam first.2. It is best if you try to reach the temple at the earliest, youcan enjoy the ambience and absorb the spiritual essence of thetemple. Mostly the town temple will open by 5:30am.The temples situated in the villages will only be ready by8:00am. Though the watchmanopens the temple by 6:00am sometimes it gets delayed. It isalways better to travel to the town temple first and then to thevillage temple next.3. Normally you will told to light lamp and perform archana onlord ganapathy, lord shiva, goddess parvathy and the planet lord.4.The night before you perform the pujas , buy all what isnecessary for the pujasFor archana to one Lord you should have -a. Two banana eachb. Flowers ( jasmine one lenght).c. Betel leaves.d. A packet of supari(betel nut).e.Camphor packets.f. A coconut.g. A clay lamp with cotton and oil.You could get all this from outside the temple itself, butsuppose you are arriving early you will not find anyone to sell.5. When you reach the temple you can start slowly lighting allthe lamps. One by one. And always the first is Lord Ganapathy.6. Pujari will perform the early morning aarti to the lords thenhe will be ready to begin the archanas.7. Pray intensely during the achana and sit in the temple forsometime before starting for the other temples.8. If you wish to feed the poor people you can buy the foodpackets from the temple itself.But this is only available in town temples and thats also after10 am. There are also mini dhabhas which will sell idly , riceetc.Best is to make packets and distribute it fast. Some places likeSuryanar koil, in hotels they give coupons to be distributed topoor.Just keep giving the packets and move, if you stop u willsurrounded by a lot of them. Keep small money changes in handalso.9. Some pujaris ask some fixed rate(100rs) to perform pujas andsome dont. Be prepared.I request our members to add if i missed something.Best wishes,msBe a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.<http://us.rd. / evt=51733/ *http://mobile. / ;_ylt=\Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao 8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > 1d. > > Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam > Posted by: " Hariharan Subramanian " hariharan_sm bdmprofile > Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:10 pm (PDT) > Dear Rohit & Friends,has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > 1e. > > Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam > Posted by: " Vishwas Balkrishna Gujar " vbgujar vishwas_gujar > Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) > Hi Hariharan,Yes, I did contact Mr. Subramaniam for a free prediction. I sent him my DOB and time. Within an hour I received prediction inthe form of a DOC file!The prediction was done withourt my thumb impression!The prediction overall is in general and is not specific.Regards,Vishwas GujarMo.: 09372402614Pune.On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 Hariharan Subramanian wrote :>>Dear Rohit & Friends,>>has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any Feedback?Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan>> > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > 1f. > > Re: Naadi Astrology- Subramaniam > Posted by: " Dharmesh Chohan " chohand chohand99 > Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:13 am (PDT) > HiI have sent him an email but there is no reply from him.RegardsDharmesh2008/4/30 Hariharan Subramanian <hariharan_sm@ hotmail.com>:> Dear Rohit & Friends,>> has anyone contacted Mr. Subramaniam, Naadi Reader from Coimbator? Any> Feedback?>> Thank you, Sincerly, Subramanian Hariharan>> ------------ --------- ------- -->> > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) > > > > Recent Activity > > > 38 > New Members > > 1 > New FilesVisit Your Group > > > Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > Earth Day 2008 > Get things and > get things for free. > Find out how. > > Check out the > Y! Groups blog > Stay up to speed > on all things Groups! > > > Need to Reply? > Click one of the " Reply " links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. > Create New Topic | Visit Your Group on the Web > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Polls | Calendar > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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