My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please read

April 24, 2008

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have been waiting for an opportunity to write my experiences about naadi.

I had promised a video documentary but didnâ€™t deliver as I felt it was more a

propaganda for the naadi reader. The intention was to document the naadi process

and enlighten interested naadi seekers and not to advertise any particular

naadi.

Well anyway god had something else on his mind...

I started my trip from Chennai on my trusty bike (that was solely to enjoy my

beautiful land) early in the morning and reached vaideeswaran koil in about 6

hours.

I directly went to meet the naadi reader to begin my documentation. Though he

was pleased to meet me, he I felt, was reluctant or not prepared to

start. Anyway by afternoon I began to feel that I wasted my time coming here. At

that moment, a gentleman from France happened to arrive in the center and was

probably waiting to have his naadi read.

The delay was due the lack of a translator and I subsequently volunteered to

translate his naadi.

Later I came to know that this particular gentleman had gone to several naadi

readers to have his naadi read. In fact I was amazed at his knowledge about the

whole process.

The naadi was found but we had to provide the names of the gentleman's father,

mother and wife etc before. This we had to do because the naadi reader was

putting question to me about how many letters and explained to me that the Tamil

letters are different, I lacked the adequate knowledge to translate English

letters to Tamil , so to avoid any more confusion we told him the names and what

I was surprised by was the accuracy of the place of birth as it was very

different than the obvious (France).

Anyway, I translated the whole reading and the gentleman was very satisfied.

Later we went another naadi which he had seen before and which was by a

different rishi. He told me that though the past birth was different in both the

naadis but the future was about 70% accurate. But he was not so much satisfied

as the naadi reader was asking 9000rs to do the pariharam.

We went to see this naadi reader to photograph the gentleman's naadi leaf but we

could not as the naadi reader did not have time and was busy etc.

Now, thatâ€™s something we encountered in all the naadi centers... some told us

that they cannot photograph because they were busy and some told us that it is

not accepted by the rishi. We were told in one place that they had to throw the

naadi in the sea!! That was the command of the rishi.

The gentleman was keen to photograph the naadi leaf and have it read by an

expert. Unfortunately we could not do that.

Eventually the gentleman spent a small fortune to do the pariharams.

A interesting incident took place here. As the locals recognized us as naadi

seekers, one of them approached us and advised us to see our naadi in the temple

itself (vaideeswaran koil). They told us that the charge was only 100rs.

It seems that the naadi leaves by all the rishis are always in the temple. There

is an arrangement by the families of the naadi readers to circulate these naadis

leaves among themselves according to the particular rishis their forefathers

have been reading.

Quite an arrangement!

But we had enough and left for Chennai.

The gentleman from France was still very keen to visit other naadis in Chennai

and again I volunteered to accompany him (for translation) and also to learn a

bit.

In Chennai we visited four naadi centers. Two of them in T Nagar one in Tambaram

and another in Chromepet.

Our first visit was to a naadi reader in T Nagar whose guru is associated with

the Tambaram center. Truly I was amazed at the similarity of this to the ones in

vaideeswaran koil. They were all very similar barring some differences between

the time of events, and also all the past birth readings were different. As I

was the translator I was zapped initially by the accuracy and naturally began to

feel blessed to witness the readings.

This naadi reader did not ask for any particular fees (like others before) and

said he would accept anything given to him. Naturally the other gentleman was

satisfied and he paid 1000rs for each chapter.

Though the general chapter in all the three naadi readings were similar, we

noticed some difference here and there. Over all it was satisfying.

After this we went another naadi reader near the TNagar bus stand.

The gentleman wanted to see for his friend who was in France so he called him up

and translation began. We were not satisfied with the reading and felt this was

totally way off and money for pariharam asked was 34000rs.

The next day we had appointment with the one in Chromepet and this particular

naadi reader told us that they do not have the naadi leaf.

The last one in Tambaram could not be seen as they insisted that we come in the

morning by 8:00am to register. And as the gentleman was short of time we had to

give it up.

Overall we visited 6 naadi centers in two days and out of which 3 were on dot

regarding the general life reading, one was way off, one did not have the naadi

and the last one we never had the opportunity to see.

I was directly involved with two of them (by different rishis) for one seekers.

And which was very similar. So 3/3 correct ! Thats quite good i must say.

Now, iam sry for not giving the names of the naadi readers and the centers.

I do not want to advertise those centers but I can assure u some of the centers

have been correctly identified as genuine by Shri Shashikant Oak ji.

The best I can do will be to suggest to the gentleman (France) to participate in

this discussion.

The things I observed were:-

1- You donâ€™t need to provide them any info beforehand.

Through the internet like naadiguruonweb.org, where you are asked to give

information which is only to reduce the time to search the leaf.

To search the right leaf you have to be present to guide the reader with tidbit

info about yourself. When he is satisfied that all information match, you have

found your naadi!

But it is different through the net or conventional mail service. It is

difficult and time consuming for you and the reader to identify your naadi.

2- The prices differ from person to person. If you have money, these naadi

readers are hounds and they will smell it. Believe me, they, I find are the ones

who are bringing the names of the rishis to disrepute, all they want is money.

Though the readings are correct in some of the centers, the pariharam part of

giving money to reader is bogus! The rishis never want your money what they want

is that you visit the temple stated and support it and give in charity and

redeem yourself by yourself.

If you are an Indian it could be 3000rs and if youâ€™re a foreigner it will be

30000rs. I felt very disgusted by the conduct of the naadi readers. The want

only money!

What I suggest is that you do the pariharam yourself and forget about giving to

these chaps. They are only brokers! (Please forgive my outburst)

Yes, but that also depends person to person. You can choose to give if the

reader is good and holy.

But please remember that if you choose not give to the reader the rishis will

not be angry with you. They are incarnate of divinity and they are our father

and mother. They will never harm us whatsoever!

3- Naadi if read by a genuine reader can save a suffering and confused soul.

They guide us to the right path and caution us too of any impending danger.

4- Past birth readings differ.

5- The time difference between one naadi with the other. For eg, if your

marriage date in one naadi is 26 the other could be 27 or 28. Some predict soon

and some late. Otherwise all predictions are generally similar.

6- One particular thing I noticed is that you horoscope is made without your

giving and details about your date of birth etc. Sometimes the lagna is also not

identified but the placements of the planets in the chart are accurate.

Surely many members would have noticed that.

7. Pariharam is effective... especially if it is to visit temples and conduct

pujas or to feed poor people.

8. Some people are given some mantras by the rishi as upadesha and they are very

potent. Mostly the reader will suggest that their priest will conduct the puja

for one mandala (44 days) for deeksha kandam. This is where the naadi seekers

should be intelligent to extract some info about the puja.

Though the puja is effective it is the greatest source for the reader to earn

money. I have no idea about where these people conduct puja and I donâ€™t know

if they really do the puja.

The naadiguruonweb.org can organize some priests to conduct these pujas at a

reasonable cost.

But I guess that it will not be acceptable by the naadi reader.

I was told to do a puja which I knew, so I just told the naadi reader that I

will do it later. I do the puja myself and I am happy about it.

9. Lastly I feel greatly for some of the souls who are desperately seeking help

but these naadi readers are sitting between them and the rishis.

I just donâ€™t understand why the the rishis choose these greedy people to be

the bearers of divine solutions.

My heart bleeds for those suffering souls!

Now all said and done!

Though naadiguruonweb.org is an excellent endeavor to help people and to bring

the blessings of the rishis to them, however it should not become a medium to

make the naadi readers affluent.

The naadiguruonweb.org should display standard rates and rope in the genuine

readers and take commission from them. And why not, where will it will get money

to run the website plus they can also make a community of priest who could

conduct pujas (deeksha kandam) for the seekers at a nominal price.

They have to be very assertive. I mean the whole pupose to setup this website

loses its value if naadiguruonweb.org ends up doing free advertising for the

naadi readers.

They are fleecing people and I have seen that enough, the best service

naadiguruonweb.org can do is to bridge the gap between the rishis and souls in

need.

I have written a lot and I donâ€™t want to bore the esteemed members more, but I

sincerely hope and pray that the great & loving rishis really do something about

the present trend, probabaly take all the naadi leaves

and organize it in one central place so that their initial purpose is not

overshadowed by selfish motives.

Regards,

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April 25, 2008

thats great

i also have similar observations , as yours .

the readers are spoiling the things. they smell that the seeker has money , so ask for big amount.

why have rishis chosen such greedy people ? intresting question >

I appeal all the members to think on this and carry out discussion about why have rishis chosen such greedy people.

in many cases let me tell you , that the nadi reader phones and tell that rishi wants to talk to u , so come for reading . then when one goes , he is given costly remedies.

i think it is purva janam punya of readers . and may be rishis have some debt to pay to them from past lives.

April 25, 2008

Hi Guys,

I guess the answer is pretty simple. Naadi held by greedy readers

either turn out to be fake ones or if they are genuine their accuracy

always turn out to be very low. The rishi must have never intended

their naadis' to reach greedy readers. But in the age of Kali

unspeakable things take place everyday so this is not so shocking. But

getting a bad reading is sometimes seen as the burning of your own bad

karma so that the next time you have a reading it will come out more

accurately

Thanking You

Hari

, " nitin jain "

<ecstacymaster wrote:

>

> > thats great

> >

>

> i also have similar observations , as yours .

> the readers are spoiling the things. they smell that the seeker has

money ,

> so ask for big amount.

>

> why have rishis chosen such greedy people ? intresting question >

>

> I appeal all the members to think on this and carry out discussion

about why

> have rishis chosen such greedy people.

> in many cases let me tell you , that the nadi reader phones and

tell that

> rishi wants to talk to u , so come for reading . then when one goes

, he is

> given costly remedies.

> i think it is purva janam punya of readers . and may be rishis have some

> debt to pay to them from past lives.

>

> >

>

April 25, 2008

Dear Friends,

Do the Nadi readers ask every customer who ever may go to them for a reading ,to give huge amounts of money?as " Dakshina " to the reader.?.Do they ask in such a manner eually in all cases.?If some reliable data is available with regard to the above subject,it may be possible to ascertain the " truth " .?It is said that in the case of foreign customers the readers charge heavily.Then it becomes obvious that the reader is at fault and that he plays fruad.?Even in the case of a foreigner the reader has to act according to what is said by the Rishi concerned with regard to taking " Dkshina " .Isnt it so?.

Regards,

jagannathan.

On 4/25/08, nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote:

thats great

i also have similar observations , as yours .

the readers are spoiling the things. they smell that the seeker has money , so ask for big amount.

why have rishis chosen such greedy people ? intresting question >

I appeal all the members to think on this and carry out discussion about why have rishis chosen such greedy people.

in many cases let me tell you , that the nadi reader phones and tell that rishi wants to talk to u , so come for reading . then when one goes , he is given costly remedies.

i think it is purva janam punya of readers . and may be rishis have some debt to pay to them from past lives.

April 26, 2008

one question to all .

do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.

i think amount is decided by reader.

April 26, 2008

Dear friends I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions. To start with: "Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes?", etc. Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about? a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers? b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and

Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members. Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years

gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India. We say that our rishis said this and that - which

means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one. Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact

about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself. Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and

bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice. Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group. Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made

some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines? WHAT NEXT????!!!!! How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions? Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction? This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay

taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them. I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group. Thanks. nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote: one question to all . do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also. i think amount is decided by reader.

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April 26, 2008

I think this community with so many posts every month and also having people who claimed to have done research on have done nothing to bring out the truth behind .

1.there is not even a single case where a person has photocopied his leaf containing his details

2.If it was all probability,then getting ur leaf (in the first batch of leaves-say before 10 qns asked)shud have happened to any one of the 2000 members in this group.

I have visited 2 centres,one in vaidheeswarankoil and one agathiya nadi in MMDA colony and both contained different information,

3.can any nadi reader findout the lagna of the individual without prior asking in QN answer session-whether born in day or night time.

4.Why does the naadi reader himself goes inside to bring another batch of leaves?can some other assistant help him by bringing him and give another batch of leaves

I will give the answer for this question.the naadi reader finds our Date of birth through his questions and he goes inside and refers his panchangam for planetary position.

5.supposedly claiming that they read our fingerprint is a fake .each naadicenters calls our fingerprint with differnt names.Instead we can go for palmistry analysis where whole hand is read as it is more logical and various books have been written with real life cases.I also take this opportunity to introduce to u a new website www.predictguru.com where free palm analysis is given for those who are interested.

disclaimer.It is not my site and u can post comments about the site if u like/dislike in that site itself in chatbox.

regards

Dr.Guru

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Naveen Vidyarthi <naveenvidyarthi wrote:

Dear friends

I am giving below my thoughts about various issues/ questions being raised in this forum which lose their relevance due to repititions.

To start with: " Do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also? Do Naadi readers pay taxes? " , etc.

Without any prejudice to anyone, let each of us ask ourselves: What is this forum about?

a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers?

b) Take benefit of the " so much research " that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members.

Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India.

We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one.

Should we put labels on pandit X as " Fraud " or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself.

Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice.

Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group.

Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines?

WHAT NEXT????!!!!!

How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions?

Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction?

This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them.

I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group.

Thanks.

nitin jain <ecstacymaster wrote:

one question to all .

do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.

i think amount is decided by reader.

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April 27, 2008

my concerna about Naddi are below . The mail below seems like an advertisement for the Naadi readers .> > a) To my mind it is to add value to the thought process of each member. To raise our thinking to a higher level than the existing level and perhaps do some philosophical thinking as to how the ancient rishis could enable themselves to do such kind of accurate/ not so accurate (debatable) predictions. Was there any technology or science behind it or were they endowed with Divine powers?

The question here is not about the Naadi but about the readers who ask their clients to give DOB and extract other details , and alos about predicting the past correctly and going wrong in future , if the leave matches the client why should the future go wrong ???

> > b) Take benefit of the "so much research" that Wg Cdr Oak and Inderjeet Sahni ji or other members of the group have done so that not all of us have to undergo this kind of rigour again. To a considerable extent this is being achieved. And all these benefits which we are reaping with the efforts of Wg Cdr Oak and other experienced members of the group, are with zero/ minimum investments of the young / new members.

"I doudt if Wg Cdr Oak has done any serious objective research in Naadi , it seems he as documented Naadi process without going into statistical details "

> Should we really be bothered about whether rishis prescribed the money or not? I do not think that Naadi reading is hobby of any Naadi reader as much as medicine or surgery is the hobby of a doctor. Exceptions and extreme cases are there. We do not wish to generalise by taking extreme cases. A millionaire who is not in need of money may make medicine/ surgery/ Naadi reading his or her passion. Those cases are one in lacs/ millions. If a Naadi reader charges Rs.1000/- for general kandam, he is dedicating his time and resources for that. For which he must have spent years gaining that kind of experience. Moreover a Naadi centre is not being run by one person or on Govt. grants. Many people (at least 3-4) support one Naadi centre. I would say Rs.1000 is still cheap. At least there is a higher probability of finding the truth about oneself rather than go to quack astrolgers and end up with no results. If Naadi reading is offered for free, perhaps many of us will start> doubting the efficacy of the Naadi centre and start doubting as to how are these people running the centre. Is there some political angle behind it? There must be some ulterior motive and may be these guys will ask us to shell out more money during pujas, etc. Or perhaps we would have stood in queue to get our turn after 3-4 years (being free) and perhaps govt. would have made amendments in issuing visas to Chinese or American or Europeans to restrict the no. of people entering India.

Who said 1000 is cheap ?, why shouldnt we care they pay tax or not ? you must see the rush at Naadi center, there will be atleast 25 people minimum to get the reading ..that translates to 6 lakhs /per month ..is int that a high amount ? shouldnt they pay tax ? the whole discussion was about Naadi readers charging high amounts for the just reading the Naadi leaves , they didnt write theNaadi in the first instance ...they are just reading it !! .Please do not compare to a doctor who studied medicine for more that 5 years to get a degree and charges max 100-250 per patient ...your are jextoposing

> > We say that our rishis said this and that - which means we have full faith in our rishis and we go by their dictum - but when it comes to money we feel our rishis were not capable enough to predict the inflation rates in India or recession in the US. When we hear our names being taken out of Naadi leaves, we feel - Oh a miracle! But why is he charging me for a miracle which some rishi had predicted. This is wrong and unjustified because that time value of money was 1/hundred thousand of the value of money now. I can't pay this much for this miracle because the Naadi leaf is not the original one.

We are trying to confirm if the Rishis wrote this or not ...please dont jump into conclusions

> Should we put labels on pandit X as "Fraud" or Y Naadi reader as a cheat. Friends, there is no formal school of Naadi teaching and therefore through this informal school of Naadi learning, many Naadi readers must have passed and some of them would have excelled and some of them would have failed. Yet many of them who would have failed claim themselves to be passed and because they know the fact about themselves they try to make maxiumum money out of each client because they know that sooner or later the truth will be out. If we are prudent Naadi seekers and we pass judgement in this group, we should try to put our judgement to test by assessing these Naadi readers at the time of the reading itself.

"One has to learn form their mistake " it doesnt mean that everyone has to make a mistake

> Please be advised that if fake currency notes worth billions can be in circulation, Naadi leaves can also get copied. If replicas of Monalisa paintings can be made, why cannot copies of Naadi leaves be made. And not all of us have seen the origionals so we cannot even find out whether it is a copy or origional. By the way, is making a copy of a Naadi leaf crime? There is no law which prevents copying of a Naadi leaf. May be a few years down the line, we will find scanned Naadi leaves available on the net and you can just put your thumb impression on the computer screen and there is computerised thumb impression matching and bingo, you get your prediction though a software programme which translates Old Tamil version straight to a language of your choice.

"do you know if they have copies and not original ..every Naadi reader claims that they have original leaves why are they lying in the first place ??? ..arent they freud then ?

> Charges to be paid through credit card and minimum charges for General Kandam - Rs.1 lacs. I bet this can happen and everyone will still pay and make a hue and cry about such abnormally high prices. If you all agree that this can happen in future, let us appreciate the efforts made by Wg Cdr Oak and other senior members of the group to bring Naadi knowledge to such a platform/ level and that too with no charges to any member of the group.

> > Instead of labeling Naadi readers as cheats/ frauds (some of them are/ may be), or to categorise thes Naadi readers as: 1. Excellent, 2. Good, 3. Satisfactory, 4. Poor, I feel the larger issue that remains unaddressed is whether such capabilities of Naadi writings / predictions can be replicated in present era. Our rishis made some predictions about people of future generations some thousand years back. We are enjoying benefits of those predictions. We are getting amazed by such predictions. Now what. Do we continue getting amazed, do we continue labeling Naadi readers are frauds / money making machines?

why should we grade them in scale of 1 to 5 ..doesnt make any sense, they are either real or fake CANNOT be in between

> > WHAT NEXT????!!!!!> > How can we take such advanced predictions forward? How can we use them to channelise our resources and efforts towards some hidden mesages in these predictions?> > Can we make a bigger vision out of these predictions? Can we translate all these predictions to get a bigger prediction?> > This is what we must seek from this group and not frivolous facts like X charged this much, he is a fraud and Y charged this much, he is good. (Sure we must be cautious and such information sharing can alert group members). I pay taxes but Naadi centres do not pay taxes. Should we be concerned about these issues? I do not think we should be because Naadi readers do not make predictions about us whether we should be paying taxes or not and they do not put to misuse any information in the predictions that they read for us. They are rendering services to general public and these services are not regulated, for which they charge varying amounts. Since these services are not regulated, we also have the right to negotiate the price with them.> > I feel we should focus on larger issues where we can advance the knowledge of this group.> > Thanks.> > nitin jain ecstacymaster wrote:> > one question to all . > > do rishis prescribe only remedies or amount of money also.> i think amount is decided by reader.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

April 27, 2008

Dear SirYour observation at point no. 4 may not be valid or may be valid only partly.

I had visited Naadi Centre at Ashok Vihar, Delhi very recently. They took my thumb impression and after asking me almost 80-100 questions, they finally landed up with my patra and to my astonishment, I answered 'yes' to every question that they asked. I had serious doubts in my mind about their invoking some spirit as almost a month prior to this visit, I had been to a so called self claimed astrologer who was more of a tantric. With my thumb impression on a white piece of paper, mind you, without any inkpad, he could tell me my grandfather's name and that too in flat 2 minutes. He left the room after taking the thumb impression. He claimed that he met my grandfather's atma and that I have pitri dosh. But eventually, after consulting another astrologer in whom I have a lot of faith, I realised that this tantric was a fake. This known astrologer of mine told me, "Usne koi pishachini sidh ki hoyegi." Then he cited me examples of a couple of astrologers who have done such things in the past. They are/ were able to impress their clients (Indira Gandhi and a couple of other policiticians) within minutes and then they loot their clients.

But this experience turned out to be different because, though I thought that there is a possibility of these people arriving at my name and all the details through various combinations of questions to which my answers were "No", there was no possibility of telling me my Nakshatra, Lagan, Rashi, Date of birth, Month of birth in that order through such combinations. They did not leave the room. One thing which was a mismatch was the position of Saturn in the twelvth house as mentioned by the Naadi reader and the position of Saturn in the first house in my existing computerised Janampatri. This again raised questions in my mind about the genuineness of the existing Janampatri. I found through hit and trial through online horoscope making that Saturn would have been in the twelvth house if there would have been a difference of 25/27 days in my date of birth (I do not exactly remember). But then position of other planets shifted as well and all other things such as lagan, rashi also shifted correspondingly. I was in a confused state and I consulted the same astrologer again. He gave me a reasoning which satisfied me. He said that these predictions were made a couple of thousand years back and at that time according to their calculations, there would have come a difference in the position of Saturn. Comments are invited on this observation from the group members.

On my following visit to the centre to know about my general kandam, I asked if they could tell me the time of birth so that I could have accurate time of birth in my records. They informed me that it was not mentioned in the patra, however, it is mentioned in a few cases and in such cases they inform the seeker about it.

During the QA (Yes/No) session on my first visit, I must have said some name as one of the answers when I was supposed to say "No'. I was immediately prompted by the Naadi reader to reply in only "yes" or "no".

In my general kandam they told me about some true facts about me, which are know only to me and no one else. Besides that and amongst many other things, they could tell me the industry where I have worked last and also the industries where I have the likelihood of working in the future (I have worked in these industries before). My experience with this Naadi centre was extremely satisfying and a genuine one. There were seekers who were informed that their patras could not be located. I was witness to a couple of such people. These people were asked to come after some time - after 2 months.

In case the lagan, rashi etc. are not mentioned may be then to inform the seeker about the birth details, the Naadi reader may be refering to the panchang. But do they claim that they are reading such information from the leaf?

Regards.

Vivek Khurana

From: kuttinguruDate: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:34:20 +0530Re: My experiences and a little about naadiguruonweb.org - Please read