my thoughts on nadi leaves -- reg tantric spell and other topics

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, ~Rohit~ <rrohit_123 wrote:

>

> Thanks KSK for contributing to the forum your thoughts in such a

detailed mail. Please continue writing. Also thanks Aries for joining

in. I would like to put my views on these mails ...

>

> You have mentioned about the mind reading and using tantric

skills to get information from the seeker itself. We are not sure how

far its true however one thing is true that definitely they are not

getting read from the leaf. This I am saying from my personal

experience after visiting 6-7 naadi readers. It looks silly when you

see leafs written by our great Maharishis are found in every nook and

corner of India. For eg: my leaf was found at Chennai and next week

it was available in Mumbai too, 2, 3 centers and next week it was

available in Pune too. WonderfulJ. Interestingly one naadi reader in

Pune ( famous one as per this group ) could not get my leaf when I

revealed to him at the start that Ive already been to some naadi

center in chennai. Whenver I call him he says, he cant find my leaf

as my impression is one of the rare impressions. Funny.

>

> Also The way they start naadi reading is so disgusting that you

lose all the respect in the first 10 minutes itself. However good

your position may be, they start badly, blame your karma, suggest

rituals, and complete the reading. End is most irritating where they

warn you about things which may happen if we don't complete the

dhaan/rituals etc. And they form such a good stories about your past

life that it looks like manmohan desai blockbuster. My past life got

changed from Sri lanka to Assam to Srilanka depends on the choice of

naadi readers. Of course all stories were different. I stopped asking

past life after 3 reading, I know it would be Sri Lanka with a new

story.

>

> One more thing I've noticed that after talking to some friends

who have already had naadi reading some years back, mostly major

events they predict may come true. I meant mostly disasters like your

father meeting accident, your wife having ailment, some mother

operation etc. Irrespective of whether, future predictions are coming

right or wrong. Now if you take this into account it becomes a good

topic for discussion coz what if the same naadi reader who has

predicted made a spell on seeker to make the events happen in case of

rituals not performed coz they say if you make dhaan etc these things

will get averted. Few people didn't heed and events did happen as

per warning, other predictions didn't happen. From my personal

experience I felt these naadi seekers do make tantric spell on

seekers, the way they show their confidence while talking about the

disasters going to happen in ones lives.

>

> I would like to have a opinion on above point, as that would

really help the general public from these imposters. Please share

your thought s on this. Other members too please share your thoughts.

>

> Thanks

> Rohit

>

>

> aries <waryaries wrote: Right Said , I would agree

with you 100 % , I had a mind blowing experience in pune center when

the reader told about the past and present . But now things have

taken 180 degree shift and all started going against what he has told

us , we have visited temples as per advice , preformed pooja etc ...

>

> I think most of them does a sort of hypnotism and extract details

from you and give back in cassette . Else think about this , if I had

gone today they would have told things that has just happend to

us ,since it is past ...then why not predict that 3 months ago ??..

>

> There may be genuine readers , but most are fake. Even the

recommended ones in forum .

>

>

>

>

>

> ksksat27 <ksksat27 wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> I could see from this forum that many of you are behind the naadi

> leaves in particular and astrology in general. I am dividing the

mass

> of nadi seekers into two categories -- those who want to read naadi

> for problem solution and those who want to do some research on it.

>

> I myself, once was much interested in the nadi related topics. But

> from my experience I would like to comment on certain things here.

>

> Nadi astrology is a branch of astrology that certainly involves

some

> mantric rituals at some point. The great sages like Agasthyar and

> siddhars like Kagabhujandhar are no doubt to be respected.

> But in their names, the nadi people certainly do some sort of

> cheating nowadays.Miracles dont happen just like that. And this

many

> branches of nadi centres all over India is quite unbelievable.New

> branches are coming in cities like Bangalore, Pune and New Delhi.

The

> nadi leaves were once very rare and available only in selected

places

> like Vaidheeswaran kovil, Kolli hills near Salem, Achirupaakkam,

> certain parts of Malai Naadu(hill places) and to some extent in

> Kerala. (I heard the koravar community of hill places like Valli

> Malai who worships Lord Muruga possesses Skandhar Naadi which is

very

> accurate and precise but entirely rare)

>

> So the real thing happening now is that they apply the naadi

> principles to those who visit and read a near matching leaf after

> finding the names with the help of Karna yakshini devatas. In many

> places, I have noted that they dont really read from the leaves and

> their eyes are unsually half closed as if propitiating a kshudhra

> devata. Late B.V. Raman the renowed astrologer has found in his

> research that many nadi centres apply the principles of tantrism to

> do mind reading to find out the names and other details. In my

> experience I once tried always chanting the rama mantra " sri rama

> jaya rama jaya jaya rama " fixing my mind on Lord Rama during the

Yes

> or No sessions and the nadi guy miserably failed to find out the

> names even after 3 bundles.( happened in nadi center Sukar nadi,

> Puthur, Trichy)

>

> Hence I request all learned and affluent men of India and Abroad --

> please dont visit the famous centres in big cities or register

> through Internet to get your nadi readings done. I can definitely

say

> it will never help. An empty vessel makes noise but the learned

nadi

> reader will be simple and contended. Please have faith in Shiva or

> Vishnu and constantly chant some slokhas and mantras. Regurarly

visit

> the nearby temples and sing bhajans. That will really help overcome

> all your miseries and obstacles in life. Singing the holy names of

> Lord Vishnu is the effective means of cleansing the bad thoughts

and

> karma in this kali yuga.

>

> In shanthi kandam, the nadi readers say to give money or ask to

visit

> this temple or that temple which is far off. I have often asked

> them " what if I worship in the nearby temple and follow righteous

> principles? Will the bad effects not be reduced? Is it not that our

> Hinduism says Bhagavan exists everywhere? " Certainly the all

merciful

> Divine will bless you from wherever you are calling Him for help.

If

> you have true aspiration and sincere & harmless wish, it will

> definitely be answered by the Divine. Hence dont get afraid or

> confused when the nadi readers command you to do pariharam at his

> place or this temple or that temple. From whaterver place and

> situation you are, call for the Divine intervention and help.

>

> For instance, Jeeva Naadi is extremely rare amidst all naadis and

> only certain naadi readers after following strict principles of

> austerity can read Jeeva naadi that too only for the destined

people

> at the destined time. It is not a wikipedia computer to respond to

> all your queries at frequent intervals.

>

> So please dont be addicted and believe in all nadi centres blindly.

> If you are really inquistive to find nadi leaves, you should visit

> Tamil Nadu temples and many places to find out the truth.

> You go on some pilgrimage to remote places and you encounter a

simple

> nadi centre in a hut or brick house -- you visit the centre -- you

> will find that the people are so respective and courteous -- the

> place is very devotional with pooja articles and deity photos --

they

> pray and begin to read the naadi leaves -- they give the details

> accurately -- you see important marriage or child chapter to know

> your would be and your jobs -- you become happy and contended --

> donate money and come back happily -- you proceed with your career

> and forget all about it -- years later when marriage takes place

with

> same accuracy you are thrilled and contended -- this is the typical

> thing that is expected to happen. Those who are lucky and destined

> will meet such genuine centres which are Adv free and find their

> readings. Not like this -- they give an advertisement or write

> episodes in newspapers or invite online registering and we people

> give all details directly or indirectly only to end up giving this

> much money to the astrologer.

>

> Your karma will never get cancelled by giving money to anybody for

> any sponsor pujas. The divine requires your inner silence,

> aspiration, devotion, confidence and purity -- once that is

achieved

> everything you ask for will manifest.

>

> I will continue posting my research in nadi.

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Hi Rohit,

 

I read your mail about fake nadi guies. It is true that leaves cannot

be found this much frequently in so many nadi centres.

 

But regarding accidents and rituals, you were speculating some

tantric spell possibility. I would like to give a small background of

how the spell on a person works and who all will become victims.

 

First and foremost, a person who's chart is strong and the planets

are in good position can never become a victim of a tantric spell. So

a nadi reader cannot just like that create problems in a person's

life. They are not the cosmic dispositioners to cast a spell in a

person. Tantric spell affects like anyother bad things and it happens

only under the particular bad Dasa-- Bhukthi period per the native's

chart. Tantric spell effects are cirumstancial, temporary and another

form of our own karma. So first, please remove the fear, a nadi

reader cannot create your bad karma. We reap what we sow, nothing

else. If your purva punya sthana is good, I bet, you meet N number of

nadi readers, even Calcutta tantrics or black magicians, you CAN

NEVER be affected by a tantric spell.

 

Even when your planetery positions are not good, tantric spell

effects can easily be overcome. It requires just one thing confidence

and strength. Confidence in the Divine, strenght in your mind,

courage and bravery. With the unyielding faith in the Divine (your

personal God ), you can walk in the graveyard at midnight without

fear. Faith and devotion are a protecive shield against all

accidents, fears, threatenings, black magic etc etc.

 

When your consciousness is elevated and you have noble thoughts and

if you are connected to Divine by devotion and faith, then even if

planets are not favourable, the tantric cast will bounce upon the one

who spelled it. If they spelled death, it is they who will meet with

death. The spell is nothing but a evil vibration, accummulation of

passion,ego & lust, it is absence of light, it is darkness, it is not

an existing entity, it is an illusion. So when knowledge comes,

illusion goes away, anything that is absent is not a power, you fill

it with presence and defeat it.

 

Hence next time, you visit a nadi reader, he tells you to go to this

temple or that temple and do this parihara, challenge him with folded

hands,humbleness yet confidence -- " I can overcome whatever evil you

have mentioned and get all I aspire for in this life, by a sincere

surrender to the Divine who is present everywhere, even in the nearby

temple to your centre " .

 

You go to nadi for a research and thrill, to study their psychology

and infact to find out atleast one genuine nadi reader, thats it.

Nothing more than that. They definitely cannot help or harm you. It

is in our hands to better our situation. You bow down your head only

infront of the Divine to nonone else, if somebody discourage by

saying that you are a sinner, deny that vehemently by saying that " I

might have been a sinner, but not now, I have started a new life with

faith in the divine " .

 

Your planets may be afflicted, debilated or in wrong aspects -- you

can overcome all these effects by faith and devotion. Hence if at

all, you want to appeal anything to Nava Grahas, you ask just one

thing -- a faith and devotion in the mind -- unyielding faith,

strength of mind, devotion and surrender to the Divine. I have seen

certain people's chart -- their Lagna is strong and good, aspected by

beneficial planets -- this combination alone gives them the above

mentioned positive attitude and inspite of all other negative aspects

in the chart, they come out with flying colours.

 

So whatever may be the planetary position in your chart, you can

achieve what you want in this life, if you have the help and

intervention of the Divine. It is always there my dear friends, so

please call upon it. Your past karma will definitely try to hold you

back, all the evil vibrations you did for others in enormous births

will definitely try to hold you back, but if you fix your

mind,thoughts and soul to the Divine, gradually, you will enter the

Light and Source Energy. Once you elevate yourself to that level of

consciousness, those evil vibrations and reactions of karma cannot

enter that region. You will be under the protective shield of the

Divine, when the Divine decides to interven, no force in this world

can stop it from acting. It requires only one thing from your part --

absolute and unconditional surrender to the Divine. Who is Divine? It

is the supramental highest conscious energy that is the source of all

this creation. If you dont have a personal God where upon, you can

that Divine,where upon you can focus your thoughts and surrender, no

problem -- pray like this " Thy supreme will, who manages the

Universe, let He protect me, by the supreme Will of Whom the sun

shines,the plants grow, the river flows, let He protect me, by the

supreme Will of whom I speak now, let that Force hear my aspiration,

by the virtue of the Divine, the child earnestly call upon the

Supreme Father. "

 

So only two things are required when it comes to peaceful and

prosperous life -- unconditional surrender,faith to the Divine

 

second and important, you have started to focus and surredner to the

highest truth, so when you get answered with prosperity, manhood,

beauty, fame, riches, health, children, vehicle, bungalows etc etc.

please use them in the service of the Divine. Help the needy with

your riches and fame. If you get influence and power as the answer,

please use it in the service of the Divine. The Divine wants to act

through you, to accomplish certain things in the universe. Hence

please allow that flow. Dont arrest that flow by living in a small

circle. That is the reason we are suffering now. I ask for riches and

I get it. Then I stay within my boundary of family and friends, and

use the riches lavishly without a definitve purpose. Slowly it turns

into lust and when lust comes, evil or darkness forms around me and I

have already started arresting the flow of the Divine. Then slowly

you will start feeling tiredness, stress, depression, jealousy and

anger because all these are indications that darkness(evil) has

formed around you. So dont let that happen, when your aspirations are

answered, it means Divine wants to act through you, so you please let

it act.

 

You want a beautiful wife and sex life, no problem, aspire for it,

you will get a noble woman, you will feel satisfied and happy, you

will beget good children, but engage your wife and children in the

service of the Divine. So one multiplies into many, in this case, you

were good, so your wife and children are becoming good. So the medium

of the Divine multiplies by your initial wish -- sexual energy. But

in the contrary, when you become lustful and greedy, passionate and

restless, you start covering yourself with darkenss and you tend to

misuse your energy with so many illegal ways, and all misery follows.

 

So from next episode, I will write on where to start and begin with,

on this process of surrender and devotion -- I will show the method

which I follow with Lord Maha Vishnu the all existing primeval

Govindha.

 

Thanks,

Krishnamoorthy

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dear oakji, on 23-04-2008 again cheated by Hyderabad reader.he told me that have one son and one daughter.but on 24-04-2008 7:20a.m.iam wife given birth to male bady.how can i belive him. his my third nadi reader from Hyderabad.his name muthukumar.in his prediction he always mention phraham.nothing is there. i will send u tamil version script to u sir.make me help.(which was given by muthukumar). 2nd nadi reader from hyderabad ambeerpet i went in 2005. he told me that my will be in film industry and i will do big business.one female bady and male bady.100% wrong prediction.he cheating like anything.i given 1000rs to him for my nadi prediction. 3rd nadi reader from warangal.i went 2006, 7 month.his prediction some what matching to my life.he told me that i have only one son.but this 100% wrong he not given any book or script. 2 hyd nadi readers given tamil script book and warangal nadi reader not given. sir,this time iam planning to know my future through your website nadi readers.if u intrest to help me i will send my thumb impreesion to u and money select any nadi reader for my future know. really this nadi readers are cheating like anything.really they r spoiling the great scripts and great sages name and fame. this is my open challange to oakji and all nadi lovers.show me genuie nadi reader i will give my thumb impression and money to any nadi reader. still i have great respect to all sages and nadi lovers and oakji and udaymetha. N.SURESH 9912419131 9291603599NILAM.SURESH

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Dear Suresh,

 

Even don't trust fully the Naadi readers given in the nadiguru website also.

 

Thanks,

 

Regards,

 

S. Hariharan-

 

nsuresh nilam

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Friday, April 25, 2008 12:17 PM

Re: my thoughts on nadi leaves -- reg tantric spell and other topics

 

 

 

dear oakji,

on 23-04-2008 again cheated by Hyderabad reader.he told me that have one son and one daughter.but on 24-04-2008 7:20a.m.iam wife given birth to male bady.how can i belive him. his my third nadi reader from Hyderabad.his name muthukumar.in his prediction he always mention phraham.nothing is there. i will send u tamil version script to u sir.make me help.(which was given by muthukumar).

 

 

2nd nadi reader from hyderabad ambeerpet i went in 2005. he told me that my will be in film industry and i will do big business.one female bady and male bady.100% wrong prediction.he cheating like anything.i given 1000rs to him for my nadi prediction.

 

3rd nadi reader from warangal.i went 2006, 7 month.his prediction some what matching to my life.he told me that i have only one son.but this 100% wrong he not given any book or script.

 

2 hyd nadi readers given tamil script book and warangal nadi reader not given.

sir,this time iam planning to know my future through your website nadi readers.if u intrest to help me i will send my thumb impreesion to u and money select any nadi reader for my future know.

 

really this nadi readers are cheating like anything.really they r spoiling the great scripts and great sages name and fame.

 

this is my open challange to oakji and all nadi lovers.show me genuie nadi reader i will give my thumb impression and money to any nadi reader.

still i have great respect to all sages and nadi lovers and oakji and udaymetha.

 

N.SURESH

9912419131

9291603599NILAM.SURESH

 

 

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dear suresh

 

go to any nadi , you will wrong reading at some time or other.

the rishis give probabilities , not certainity.