Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Rajasji Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there. If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do. best regards KRS rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear All,As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the group as much as I can.1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf.Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as writtenon the nadi leaf. I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method adopted by the nadi reader.Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is mentioned in the nadi leaf.To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters……Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another nadi reader who agrees to this….2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or not.Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf.On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel in this exercise….Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just talking on his own….Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak.We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the tamil font…I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the interest of all the group members...Will continue to cover other points in my nect email.pl also give me ur valuable feedback.RegardsRajasrajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. commobile no. 9890658280 Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Dear Karan, can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi leaf, it will be of great help... Regds Rajas , karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma wrote: > > Dear Rajasji > > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there. > > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do. > > best regards > > KRS > > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM > Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts > > Dear All, > As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > group as much as I can. > > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf. > Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > writtenon the nadi leaf. > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > adopted by the nadi reader. > > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > mentioned in the nadi leaf. > > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters…… > Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > nadi reader who agrees to this…. > > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > not. > > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf. > > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > in this exercise…. > > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > talking on his own…. > > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak. > > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > tamil font… > > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > interest of all the group members... > > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email. > pl also give me ur valuable feedback. > > Regards > > Rajas > rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com > mobile no. 9890658280 > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna,Namasthe All, I am not a new member, but I hardly post here.I just wanted to provide details on my experience.I got my Nadi readings done in 2 different places. One was around 1996 (by sending thumb print thru someone who was going to Tanjavore) and the other was last year in my native place Hyderabad where I personally went around this time in 2006. In both the places they gave me my readings in writing of course in poem format in Tamil. I am not a Tamilian so I could not read them myself and confirm what they have given in the cassette is the same as the translation of the poems there. I noticed that they do ask for lot of details before they arrive at the leaf.Regards,SaiOn Dec 8, 2007 1:47 AM, rajas_astrology < rajas_astrology wrote: Dear All, As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the group as much as I can. 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf. Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills of permutations/combinations to arrive at the exact names of the person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility of the permutation/combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/combination exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as writtenon the nadi leaf. I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method adopted by the nadi reader. Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is mentioned in the nadi leaf. To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters…… Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another nadi reader who agrees to this…. 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or not. Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf. On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel in this exercise…. Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just talking on his own…. Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak. We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the tamil font… I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the interest of all the group members... Will continue to cover other points in my nect email. pl also give me ur valuable feedback. Regards Rajas rajas.khaladkar mobile no. 9890658280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Dear Sai, thks for sharing ur experience. it is true that they do ask lot of questions. but the same is required for confirming whether the exact nadi leaf is found or not and hence it is our interest only. secondly, even though they get to know a lot about us during the question/answer session, 100% information is never disclosed to them... there will be still lot of information which has not come out of ur discussion but it will be there on ur leaf and it will match with ur past/present. Also, it is not the fact that in all the cases, it requires lot of time and discussion to find the nadi leaf... in some cases it will take longer time, in some cases , it may found in few minutes, and after going theu only 3/4 nadi leaves or in few cases, it may not be found at all.... and this leaves very little room for any doubt on whether they have actually found our nadi leaf and whether all our facts are actually written on the leaf or not and that whether the facts are pre-written or are written after the inital question-answer session. since u have checked ur readings 2 times. can u pl share whether ur future has unfold the way it was written in ur first reading? whether u were asked to do any rituals and if yes, whether u performed them or not. whether the future events which are yet to happen are same in both the readings? if u have performed the rituals a sper ur first reading, whether u were again asked to do any rituals in ur second reading? Regards Rajas , " Saikumar Singaraju " <saikumar.singaraju wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > Namasthe All, > > I am not a new member, but I hardly post here. > > I just wanted to provide details on my experience. > > I got my Nadi readings done in 2 different places. One was around 1996 (by > sending thumb print thru someone who was going to Tanjavore) and the other > was last year in my native place Hyderabad where I personally went around > this time in 2006. > > In both the places they gave me my readings in writing of course in poem > format in Tamil. I am not a Tamilian so I could not read them myself and > confirm what they have given in the cassette is the same as the translation > of the poems there. > > I noticed that they do ask for lot of details before they arrive at the > leaf. > > Regards, > > Sai > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 1:47 AM, rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology wrote: > > > Dear All, > > As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > > group as much as I can. > > > > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf. > > Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > > of permutations/combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > > of the permutation/combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/combination > > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > > writtenon the nadi leaf. > > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > > adopted by the nadi reader. > > > > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > > mentioned in the nadi leaf. > > > > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters…… > > Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > > nadi reader who agrees to this…. > > > > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > > not. > > > > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf. > > > > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > > in this exercise…. > > > > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > > talking on his own…. > > > > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak. > > > > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > > tamil font… > > > > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > > interest of all the group members... > > > > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email. > > pl also give me ur valuable feedback. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajas > > rajas.khaladkar <rajas.khaladkar%40syngenta.com> > > mobile no. 9890658280 > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear rajas, We cannot jump to any conclusion based on experiences of one or two people. Any method of validating these things should be truly scientific and should contain a large number of samples which are really unbiased. Scientifically speaking a few failure cases makes the whole theory a failure , whereas to prove something you need a Looot of success samples. It is true that few people have had really true predictions, but I think this is not happening nowadays. My grandfather has told me that he had his leaf read about 50 years back and a lot of the predictions about his family,profession etc. turned out to be true esxcpet that he is living longer than predicted in that. The beauty about this is that the naadi reader gave his his leaf to keep with him ! No one dares to do this now. I asked a lot of naadi readers to give me my leaf but they told lot of reasons and excuses and did nt give it. They did nt even allow me to photograph it . If there is nothing fishy why are they doing like this ?. I was lucky enough to get a chance to videograph my leaf in V Koil. The owner agreed after I somehow convinced him. I ve tried to contact many astrologers and asked them to interpret the writings in the video footage but they refuse to do it . why ? A few tamil scholars and archeologists who looked at it said it looked like scribbling and that they could nt read it ! I ve put up some snaps of the video I ve taken in the files/pictures section on this group. You can see for yourself , how ineligible it is. if you tell me some website where I can upload the video footage I ll do it. You can ask whoever you know to interpret it. I have great respect for astrology and I learned astrology myself, but after visiting many naadi centers and seeing experiences of many friends and relatives I m forced to doubt the veracity of current day naadi centers. Many of the astrologers near V.Koil in tamil nadu will privately tell that this is not genuine nowadays. Let them agree that they are also doing birth chart predictions using some well known naadi rules. Brigu naadi, nandi naadi and chandrakala naadi and a few other naadi have well known ruyles for predicting birth charts like in normal astrology. I think this is what the readers are using after getting the birth chart.Sometimes, they do mistake in getting the birth chart itself which my friend discovered. You must have read the instance of a dead person being given a prediction of long and good life. The person who filed a suit against the naadi reader is now missing is the latest news in TN and anti- hindu factions are alleging that the person has been kidnapped by the naadi group ! These events can leave people with a bad taste on the entire subject of astrology. Bye , " rajas_astrology " <rajas_astrology wrote: > > Dear Sai, > thks for sharing ur experience. > it is true that they do ask lot of questions. but the same is > required for confirming whether the exact nadi leaf is found or not > and hence it is our interest only. > secondly, even though they get to know a lot about us during the > question/answer session, 100% information is never disclosed to > them... there will be still lot of information which has not come out > of ur discussion but it will be there on ur leaf and it will match > with ur past/present. > Also, it is not the fact that in all the cases, it requires lot of > time and discussion to find the nadi leaf... > in some cases it will take longer time, in some cases , it may found > in few minutes, and after going theu only 3/4 nadi leaves or in few > cases, it may not be found at all.... > and this leaves very little room for any doubt on whether they have > actually found our nadi leaf and whether all our facts are actually > written on the leaf or not and that whether the facts are pre- written > or are written after the inital question-answer session. > > since u have checked ur readings 2 times. can u pl share whether ur > future has unfold the way it was written in ur first reading? whether > u were asked to do any rituals and if yes, whether u performed them > or not. > whether the future events which are yet to happen are same in both > the readings? > if u have performed the rituals a sper ur first reading, whether u > were again asked to do any rituals in ur second reading? > Regards > Rajas > > , " Saikumar Singaraju " > <saikumar.singaraju@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna, > > > > Namasthe All, > > > > I am not a new member, but I hardly post here. > > > > I just wanted to provide details on my experience. > > > > I got my Nadi readings done in 2 different places. One was around > 1996 (by > > sending thumb print thru someone who was going to Tanjavore) and > the other > > was last year in my native place Hyderabad where I personally went > around > > this time in 2006. > > > > In both the places they gave me my readings in writing of course in > poem > > format in Tamil. I am not a Tamilian so I could not read them > myself and > > confirm what they have given in the cassette is the same as the > translation > > of the poems there. > > > > I noticed that they do ask for lot of details before they arrive at > the > > leaf. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sai > > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 1:47 AM, rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@> wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this > subject > > > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > > > group as much as I can. > > > > > > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer > session > > > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written > in > > > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf. > > > Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are > confirmed by > > > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > > > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > > > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > > > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > > > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > > > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use > skills > > > of permutations/combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > > > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive > at > > > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the > possibility > > > of the permutation/combination is just endless… I've witnessed > 12/15 > > > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > > > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/combination > > > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the > person > > > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched > when > > > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > > > writtenon the nadi leaf. > > > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > > > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > > > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi > reader. > > > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > > > adopted by the nadi reader. > > > > > > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what > is > > > mentioned in the nadi leaf. > > > > > > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their > nadi > > > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested > that > > > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > > > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the > nadi > > > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other > matters…… > > > Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > > > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see > how > > > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be > when > > > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that > we > > > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > > > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try > another > > > nadi reader who agrees to this…. > > > > > > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of > notebook > > > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. > Since > > > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we > cannot > > > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf > or > > > not. > > > > > > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree > that > > > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > > > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf. > > > > > > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > > > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > > > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > > > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > > > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > > > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate > the > > > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > > > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to > try > > > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can > excel > > > in this exercise…. > > > > > > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > > > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > > > talking on his own…. > > > > > > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. > Because if > > > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then > writing > > > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it > in > > > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > > > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when > his > > > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi > reader > > > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > > > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak. > > > > > > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > > > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > > > tamil font… > > > > > > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > > > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > > > interest of all the group members... > > > > > > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email. > > > pl also give me ur valuable feedback. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rajas > > > rajas.khaladkar@ <rajas.khaladkar%40syngenta.com> > > > mobile no. 9890658280 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Rajasji I can forward the photos but they are not very clear but i am assuring you that when physically present they showed me my name as they had pronounced. For some members i would like to clarify that in Shiv Swami nadi(Gurgaon centre) the readers say that if the leaf has details only pertaning to the specific person they hand over the leaf and it is true as i know few people where it happened this way. best regards KRS rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58:55 PM Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Karan,can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi leaf, it will be of great help...RegdsRajas, karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rajasji> > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there.> > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do.> > best regards> > KRS> > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ ...>> > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM> Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts> > Dear All,> As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > group as much as I can.> > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf.> Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > writtenon the nadi leaf. > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > adopted by the nadi reader.> > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > mentioned in the nadi leaf.> > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters……> Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > nadi reader who agrees to this….> > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > not.> > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf.> > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > in this exercise….> > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > talking on his own….> > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak.> > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > tamil font…> > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > interest of all the group members...> > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email.> pl also give me ur valuable feedback.> > Regards> > Rajas> rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com> mobile no. 9890658280> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear KRS, Good. pl check if u can do the following: get good quality scanned copies of the nadi leaf of the persons who have actually got it with them. pl check if any/few of them are ready to use their nadi leaf for carbon test/any other testing purposes. once the same is done, the leaf will be handed over back to them... if u can explore this and help on this ground, it will be of great help.... Regds Rajas , karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma wrote: > > Dear Rajasji > > I can forward the photos but they are not very clear but i am assuring you that when physically present they showed me my name as they had pronounced. > > For some members i would like to clarify that in Shiv Swami nadi (Gurgaon centre) the readers say that if the leaf has details only pertaning to the specific person they hand over the leaf and it is true as i know few people where it happened this way. > > best regards > > KRS > > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology > > Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58:55 PM > Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts > > Dear Karan, > can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have > identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the > alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi > leaf, it will be of great help... > > Regds > Rajas > > , karan raj sharma > <karanrajsharma@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajasji > > > > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified > version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer > and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th > chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the > reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same > on the leaf and it was there. > > > > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions > then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with > time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not > push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do. > > > > best regards > > > > KRS > > > > > > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ ...> > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM > > Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts > > > > Dear All, > > As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this > subject > > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > > group as much as I can. > > > > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer > session > > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf. > > Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed > by > > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use > skills > > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive > at > > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the > possibility > > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed > 12/15 > > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the > person > > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched > when > > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > > writtenon the nadi leaf. > > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > > adopted by the nadi reader. > > > > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what > is > > mentioned in the nadi leaf. > > > > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their > nadi > > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters…… > > Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see > how > > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be > when > > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try > another > > nadi reader who agrees to this…. > > > > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of > notebook > > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. > Since > > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > > not. > > > > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree > that > > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf. > > > > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate > the > > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can > excel > > in this exercise…. > > > > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > > talking on his own…. > > > > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because > if > > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then > writing > > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it > in > > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi > reader > > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak. > > > > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > > tamil font… > > > > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > > interest of all the group members... > > > > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email. > > pl also give me ur valuable feedback. > > > > Regards > > > > Rajas > > rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com > > mobile no. 9890658280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ __ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Dear Karan Raj, Can you please provide me the address and contact number of Shiv Swami Nadi (Gurgaon). Me and my friend are very much willing to pay a visit there. Regards, Vinaykaran raj sharma <karanrajsharma wrote: Dear Rajasji I can forward the photos but they are not very clear but i am assuring you that when physically present they showed me my name as they had pronounced. For some members i would like to clarify that in Shiv Swami nadi(Gurgaon centre) the readers say that if the leaf has details only pertaning to the specific person they hand over the leaf and it is true as i know few people where it happened this way. best regards KRS rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58:55 PM Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Karan,can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi leaf, it will be of great help...RegdsRajas, karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rajasji> > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there.> > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do.> > best regards> > KRS> > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ ...>> > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM> Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts> > Dear All,> As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > group as much as I can.> > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf.> Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > writtenon the nadi leaf. > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > adopted by the nadi reader.> > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > mentioned in the nadi leaf.> > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters……> Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > nadi reader who agrees to this….> > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > not.> > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf.> > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > in this exercise….> > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > talking on his own….> > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak.> > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > tamil font…> > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > interest of all the group members...> > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email.> pl also give me ur valuable feedback.> > Regards> > Rajas> rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com> mobile no. 9890658280> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hi Vinay Please note the mobile number and you can take appointment also along with the proper address from them, i know the way but do not have the postal address, it is in Iffco colony just a minute away from IFFCO chowk. Tel:- +91 9810246999 / +91 124 2349900 / +91 124 2343387 my good wishes to you, best regards KRS vinay jaiswal <vinay_jaiswal_up ; karanrajsharmaSent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:57:41 PMRe: Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Karan Raj, Can you please provide me the address and contact number of Shiv Swami Nadi (Gurgaon). Me and my friend are very much willing to pay a visit there. Regards, Vinaykaran raj sharma <karanrajsharma@ > wrote: Dear Rajasji I can forward the photos but they are not very clear but i am assuring you that when physically present they showed me my name as they had pronounced. For some members i would like to clarify that in Shiv Swami nadi(Gurgaon centre) the readers say that if the leaf has details only pertaning to the specific person they hand over the leaf and it is true as i know few people where it happened this way. best regards KRS rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ .co. in>Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58:55 PM Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Karan,can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi leaf, it will be of great help...RegdsRajas, karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rajasji> > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there.> > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do.> > best regards> > KRS> > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ ...>> > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM> Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts> > Dear All,> As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > group as much as I can.> > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf.> Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > writtenon the nadi leaf. > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > adopted by the nadi reader.> > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > mentioned in the nadi leaf.> > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters……> Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > nadi reader who agrees to this….> > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > not.> > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf.> > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > in this exercise….> > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > talking on his own….> > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak.> > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > tamil font…> > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > interest of all the group members...> > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email.> pl also give me ur valuable feedback.> > Regards> > Rajas> rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com> mobile no. 9890658280> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Hi Karan Can you please provide the address & phone number Shiva Swami Naadi at Gurgaon? Thanks in advance. Regards Rupesh Bhagchandani karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:41:20 PMRe: Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Rajasji I can forward the photos but they are not very clear but i am assuring you that when physically present they showed me my name as they had pronounced. For some members i would like to clarify that in Shiv Swami nadi(Gurgaon centre) the readers say that if the leaf has details only pertaning to the specific person they hand over the leaf and it is true as i know few people where it happened this way. best regards KRS rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ .co. in>Monday, December 10, 2007 5:58:55 PM Re: Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts Dear Karan,can u pl share with me the photos u have taken where u have identified ur name written in the nadi leaf? if u can show the alphabate in english - tamil and then how it is written on the nadi leaf, it will be of great help...RegdsRajas, karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rajasji> > Thank you for your reply and once again sharing a simplified version for all to understand, I agree to each part of your answer and also want to add that i also checked my name on my 13th and 14th chapter leaf and also took photos of the leaf. I first asked the reader to write my name in tamil and later asked him to show the same on the leaf and it was there.> > If we try to limit the reader to ask only few specific questions then this would become too professional types or maybe slowly with time the original way of reading would be lost, i think we should not push any reader to follow our method and let them do as they do.> > best regards> > KRS> > > > rajas_astrology <rajas_astrology@ ...>> > Saturday, December 8, 2007 12:17:00 PM> Nadi Reading - some Myths and Facts> > Dear All,> As mentioned in my earlieremail, I'm writing herewith on this subject > matter my viewpoints. I'll try to cover the points raised on the > group as much as I can.> > 1. the nadi readers collect data from us thru question/asnwer session > and then share with us in a consolidated way as if it is written in > on the nadi leaf and then confirm that he has found the nadi leaf.> Facts: It is true that many times, most of the facts are confirmed by > us during the question/asnwer session, but still it will not be at > 100% level. If the above mentioned objection was true, in all the > cases - to find the nadi leaf, it would have taken substantially > longer time. If the nadi reader has to collect 100% info of the > person thru the Q & A session, he can hardly check one nadi leaf in > one/two days. No matter how much the person is trained to use skills > of permutations/ combinations to arrive at the exact names of the > person, his spouse and his parents, he will not be able to arrive at > the exact 4 names in even no. of days conversation as the possibility > of the permutation/ combination is just endless… I've witnessed 12/15 > nadi readings and in none of the reading, all these 4 names were > arrived at by the nadi reader thru such permutation/ combination > exercise. On an average 2 out of 4 names were confirmed by the person > to the reader. But the rest of the 2 names were exactly matched when > the other 2 names were already matched/confirmed to be right as > writtenon the nadi leaf. > I've seen the nadi leaf found which was only 3rd or 4th leaf seed > during the session. And during the conversation on first 2/3 nadi > leafs rejected, hardly any facts were disclosed to the nadi reader. > This is just next to impossible to do it by any skillful method > adopted by the nadi reader.> > Conclusion - therefore, I believe that the reader only reads what is > mentioned in the nadi leaf.> > To overcome this feeling what people get sometimes during their nadi > finding session, in the Pune Nadi conference, it was suggested that > it will be good if the nadi reader asks questions on only 2 or 3 > basic facts and when all those facts are matched in one of the nadi > leaf, then only they should ask questions related to other matters……> Say for eg: he can ask name/check name of only his/her father and > himself/herself and not of the spouse and mother. We need to see how > such practice can be implemented across the nadi centres. May be when > we people visit the nadi centre, we can specify such things that we > will not disclose the name of say mother till everyhting else is > matched. If the reader agrees, go ahead, if he does not, try another > nadi reader who agrees to this….> > 2. the nadi reading shared by the nadi reader in the form of notebook > and audio cassete/cd is not actually written on the nadi leaf. Since > we do not understand the language in which it is written, we cannot > verify whether the details are actually written in the nadi leaf or > not.> > Facts: those who have read Mr. Shashikant Oak's book will agree that > this is not true. Mr. Oak has verified that his name was actually > written on the nadi leaf which was shown to him as his nadi leaf.> > On the ocassion of nadi conference, he has again verified the name > written on the nadi leaf of one person which he showed to me also. > During that exercise, I realised that there is not a very big > difference in the prevelant tamil language writing and the one > written on the andi leaf. I request the people who are very well > conversant with the tamil to come forward and attempt to corelate the > two written form. Though I'm non tamil person, now a days I'm > attempting to learn tamil writing and then next step will be to try > to corelate it with the nadi writing… let us see how much I can excel > in this exercise….> > Conclusion: the nadi reading done by the nadi reader is actually > written on the nadi leaf and it is not something which he is just > talking on his own….> > Further this also makes the first point objection invalid. Because if > the reader is first collecting info from the person, and then writing > it on the nadi leaf and then in the text book and then sharing it in > audio cassette, then he need some time to goo back and write the > same. Whereas, as per my understanding, in Mr. Oak's case, when his > nadi leaf was found, immediately then and there onlt the nadi reader > showed him his name written in the nadi leaf which the reader > concluded that it belongs to Mr. Oak.> > We can also try this out. We can ask the reader to show the name > written on the nadi leaf and also ask him to corelate it with the > tamil font…> > I hope that yhe group will agree with my facts and conclusion. if > not, I'm open for healthy positive deliberation on this in the > interest of all the group members...> > Will continue to cover other points in my nect email.> pl also give me ur valuable feedback.> > Regards> > Rajas> rajas.khaladkar@ syngenta. com> mobile no. 9890658280> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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