My findings after visiting 4 Nadi centers

September 13, 2007

I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till now

and some how they will extract the date of birth and

approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does

not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and do

not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /

afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also some

of them do not worry about Ascendent and are satisfied

with Rasi.

I took a digital voice recorder and recorded

secretely all the questions reader asked. I

intentionally cooperated with the reader since my

intention is not to know the future , but to observe

their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have

heard the records after coming back and it is not a

difficult task to guess the names with such a vast

number of questions which cover all the alphabets!!!!

Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he

will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.

I asked him , when everything is written in palm

leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is

that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked

about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not

and he put a blank face.

Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all

it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want any

questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal

DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.

Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of

major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will do

good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc

Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they

will start with " There are sins in ur past birth and

an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14

and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may

not fulfil.... " and most of the remedies point to

Tamiladu temples only!!!

If you have the exact date & time of birth, a

traditional astrologer can also give a better reading

than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel

after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came true!)

and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala

nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents names

spouse name etc)

Thanks

Nag

--- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa wrote:

> Hi,

> Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi

> readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi and

> nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about

> approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like

> ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or

> morning)...

> Plz let me know thw following things..

> How can i find a good nadi reader..?

> Is it must to give our b'day?

> --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 wrote:

>

> > Dear All,

> >

> > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there is

> a

> > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling

> jaya.

> > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading

> at

> > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast .

> I

> > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and he

> > has

> > researched nadi like no one else.

> > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each

> > kandam.

> > Those interested can contact mr siva at

> 0123196287.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mohan

> > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't give

> > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader

> so

> > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just

> > > comparing with a person asking " yes no " and

> > > eventually it comes to the same as telling

> > > everything about parents name.

> > >

> > > In my case, after having the confidence with

> one

> > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide other

> > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of my

> > wife

> > > is slightly different. Though other facts were

> all

> > > correct. However, now he is in double checking

> if

> > > there another leaf matching exactly.

> > >

> > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you

> > > really knowto a genuine reader.

> > >

> > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana wrote:

> > > The best way is to visit the reader

> > > personally. You dont have to give any

> information

> > > except saying " yse " or " no " while trying to

> > confirm

> > > your leaf. However, if you are getting

> > > it online through website, all websites ask all

> > > information including the birth time, which

> > > can be used to make detailed astrology using

> Natal

> > > charts. There is a chance that these

> > > websites can be fake. But most of them are

> real.

> > > They contact the Nadi centers with the

> > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details

> > > except the thum print).

> > >

> > > If anybody came across fake websites, please

> let

> > > the community know, so that we can avoid that

> > place.

> > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.

> > good

> > > luck

> > >

> > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote:

> > > Dear Chelvam,

> > > I think you should first exhaust the standard

> > > horoscope reading for guidance. If that does not

> > > prove satisfactory or if you are looking for

> > deeper

> > > things then Nadi can be tried. As to online, you

> > > should ask the nadi what method he will use to

> > find

> > > your leaf. Dont give him any detail about your

> > > background.

> > > Hope you find this useful.

> > > Regards,

> > > Seshadri

> > > 9867327835

> > >

> > > ST Chelvam <st_chelvam wrote:

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > Could someone let me know if reading nadi via

> > > online alright? I am thinking of Mr Siva Kumar

> of

> > > www.naadiastrologer.com . However, some say to

> go

> > > India and do everything including the remedies.

> > Pls

> > > advise.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > Chelvam

> > >

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> >

>

> Cheers

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>

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>

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September 13, 2007

This is what I am always saying.......Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can predict a lot and this what they are doing. Girish... IL,USAchiru chiru <chiru71 wrote: I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till nowand some how they will extract the date of birth andapprox time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time doesnot matter since they use their vakya panchanga and donot cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning

/afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also someof them do not worry about Ascendent and are satisfiedwith Rasi.I took a digital voice recorder and recordedsecretely all the questions reader asked. Iintentionally cooperated with the reader since myintention is not to know the future , but to observetheir methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i haveheard the records after coming back and it is not adifficult task to guess the names with such a vastnumber of questions which cover all the alphabets!!!! Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , hewill ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.I asked him , when everything is written in palmleaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply isthat it is also availble in palm leaves I askedabout whether they my navamsa chart is there or notand he put a blank face.Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at allit there)

tell the astrologer that you do not want anyquestions on Date of birth and do not want to revealDOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits ofmajor planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will dogood, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etcAlso if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, theywill start with "There are sins in ur past birth andan evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14and do the remedies, other wise the predictions maynot fulfil...." and most of the remedies point toTamiladu temples only!!!If you have the exact date & time of birth, atraditional astrologer can also give a better readingthan these nadis..... Thats what i personally feelafter going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came true!)and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kalanadi and it mostly does not talke about parents namesspouse name

etc)ThanksNag--- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> Hi,> Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi and> nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> morning)...> Plz let me know thw following things..> How can i find a good nadi reader..?> Is it must to give our b'day?> --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there is> a> > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> jaya.> > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> at> > the home of one Mr

Siva who is a nadi enthusiast .> I> > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and he> > has> > researched nadi like no one else. > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > kandam.> > Those interested can contact mr siva at > 0123196287.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > Mohan> > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't give> > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> so> > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > In my case, after having the

confidence with> one> > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide other> > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of my> > wife> > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> all> > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> if> > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > wrote:> > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > personally. You dont have to give any> information > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > confirm> > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > it online through website, all

websites ask all> > > information including the birth time, which > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> Natal> > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> real.> > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > except the thum print). > > > > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please> let> > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > place.> > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > good> > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 > wrote:> > > Dear Chelvam,> > >

I think you should first exhaust the standard> > > horoscope reading for guidance. If that does not> > > prove satisfactory or if you are looking for> > deeper> > > things then Nadi can be tried. As to online, you> > > should ask the nadi what method he will use to> > find> > > your leaf. Dont give him any detail about your> > > background. > > > Hope you find this useful.> > > Regards,> > > Seshadri> > > 9867327835> > > > > > ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > Hello everyone,> > > > > > Could someone let me know if reading nadi via> > > online alright? I am thinking of Mr Siva Kumar> of> > > www.naadiastrologer.com . However, some say to> go>

> > India and do everything including the remedies.> > Pls> > > advise.> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > Chelvam> > > > > > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy> > with> > > an Edge to see what's on, when. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose the right car based on your needs.> Check> > > out Autos new Car Finder tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy> > with> > > an Edge to see what's on,

when. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship> > > answers from someone who knows.> > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > >>________> > Answers - Got a question? Someone out there> > knows the answer. Try it> > now.> > http://uk.answers./ > > > > > Cheers> Swami > > "A Person should no be too honest. Straight trees> are cut first and Honest people are screwed first." > > > > >

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September 13, 2007

@Nag

If thats the case then how could they predict my

father's nature of business and my profession and

whether my siblings married or not?I do agree that

there may be an yr plus or minus of their predictions

and they are accurate as regard to the past and I am

yet to experience their future predictions for me.

Venu

--- chiru chiru <chiru71 wrote:

> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till now

> and some how they will extract the date of birth and

> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does

> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and

> do

> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /

> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also

> some

> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are

> satisfied

> with Rasi.

>

> I took a digital voice recorder and recorded

> secretely all the questions reader asked. I

> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my

> intention is not to know the future , but to observe

> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have

> heard the records after coming back and it is not a

> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast

> number of questions which cover all the

> alphabets!!!!

> Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he

> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.

>

> I asked him , when everything is written in palm

> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is

> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked

> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not

> and he put a blank face.

>

> Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at

> all

> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want

> any

> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal

> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.

>

> Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of

> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will

> do

> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc

>

> Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they

> will start with " There are sins in ur past birth and

> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14

> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may

> not fulfil.... " and most of the remedies point to

> Tamiladu temples only!!!

>

> If you have the exact date & time of birth, a

> traditional astrologer can also give a better

> reading

> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel

> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came

> true!)

> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala

> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents

> names

> spouse name etc)

>

> Thanks

> Nag

>

--- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi

> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi

> and

> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about

> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like

> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or

> > morning)...

> > Plz let me know thw following things..

> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?

> > Is it must to give our b'day?

> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there

> is

> > a

> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling

> > jaya.

> > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading

> > at

> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast

> .

> > I

> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and

> he

> > > has

> > > researched nadi like no one else.

> > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each

> > > kandam.

> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at

> > 0123196287.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Mohan

> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't

> give

> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader

> > so

> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just

> > > > comparing with a person asking " yes no " and

> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling

> > > > everything about parents name.

> > > >

> > > > In my case, after having the confidence with

> > one

> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide

> other

> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of

> my

> > > wife

> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were

> > all

> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking

> > if

> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.

> > > >

> > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you

> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.

> > > >

> > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana wrote:

> > > > The best way is to visit the

> reader

> > > > personally. You dont have to give any

> > information

> > > > except saying " yse " or " no " while trying to

> > > confirm

> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting

> > > > it online through website, all websites ask

> all

> > > > information including the birth time, which

> > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using

> > Natal

> > > > charts. There is a chance that these

> > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are

> > real.

> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the

> > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth

> details

> > > > except the thum print).

> > > >

> > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please

> > let

> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that

> > > place.

> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.

> > > good

> > > > luck

> > > >

> > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 wrote:

> > > > Dear Chelvam,

> > > > I think you should first exhaust the

> standard

> > > > horoscope reading for guidance. If that does

> not

> > > > prove satisfactory or if you are looking for

> > > deeper

> > > > things then Nadi can be tried. As to online,

> you

> > > > should ask the nadi what method he will use to

> > > find

> > > > your leaf. Dont give him any detail about your

> > > > background.

> > > > Hope you find this useful.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Seshadri

> > > > 9867327835

> > > >

> > > > ST Chelvam <st_chelvam wrote:

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > Could someone let me know if reading nadi

> via

> > > > online alright? I am thinking of Mr Siva Kumar

>

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September 14, 2007

It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts also produce reasonably close predictions. However, it is not true that "strictly" vedic astrology is used in Nadi leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition / divine ispiration has been used by the sages to write this. Although, vedic astrology can predict detailed life events. but cannot predict the names of persons. I have come across,some website at which, an astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from 4 places and compares with vedic astrology regarding his son' s marriage. All of them match with few differences. But he concludes that Nadi astrology has upper hand dueto its ability to even predict the name of the partner. I will try to find the link and post itin the future. I have no doubt about the autheticty of the "Nadi Astrology" due to my presonal

experience. However, we should be be tocareful to avoid fake Nadi readers. Those who had bad experience, please post the specific details so that we can avoid the specific places. Girish <g_s_b_80 wrote: This is what I am always saying.......Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can predict a lot and this what they are doing. Girish... IL,USAchiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote: I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till nowand some how they will extract the date of birth andapprox time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time doesnot matter since they use their vakya panchanga and donot cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also someof them do not worry about Ascendent and are satisfiedwith Rasi.I took a digital voice recorder and recordedsecretely all the questions reader asked. Iintentionally cooperated with the reader since myintention is not to know the future , but to observetheir methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i haveheard the records after coming back and it is not adifficult task to guess the names with such a vastnumber of questions which cover

all the alphabets!!!! Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , hewill ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.I asked him , when everything is written in palmleaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply isthat it is also availble in palm leaves I askedabout whether they my navamsa chart is there or notand he put a blank face.Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at allit there) tell the astrologer that you do not want anyquestions on Date of birth and do not want to revealDOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits ofmajor planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will dogood, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etcAlso if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, theywill start with "There are sins in ur past birth andan evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14and do the remedies, other wise the

predictions maynot fulfil...." and most of the remedies point toTamiladu temples only!!!If you have the exact date & time of birth, atraditional astrologer can also give a better readingthan these nadis..... Thats what i personally feelafter going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came true!)and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kalanadi and it mostly does not talke about parents namesspouse name etc)ThanksNag--- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> Hi,> Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi and> nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> morning)...> Plz let me know thw following things..> How can i find a good nadi

reader..?> Is it must to give our b'day?> --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there is> a> > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> jaya.> > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> at> > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast .> I> > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and he> > has> > researched nadi like no one else. > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > kandam.> > Those interested can contact mr siva at > 0123196287.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > Mohan> > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:>

> > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't give> > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> so> > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> one> > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide other> > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of my> > wife> > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> all> > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> if> > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > >

> > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > wrote:> > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > personally. You dont have to give any> information > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > confirm> > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > it online through website, all websites ask all> > > information including the birth time, which > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> Natal> > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> real.> > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > except the thum print). > > > > > > If anybody came across fake websites,

please> let> > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > place.> > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > good> > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000 > wrote:> > > Dear Chelvam,> > > I think you should first exhaust the standard> > > horoscope reading for guidance. If that does not> > > prove satisfactory or if you are looking for> > deeper> > > things then Nadi can be tried. As to online, you> > > should ask the nadi what method he will use to> > find> > > your leaf. Dont give him any detail about your> > > background. > > > Hope you find this useful.> > > Regards,> >

> Seshadri> > > 9867327835> > > > > > ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > Hello everyone,> > > > > > Could someone let me know if reading nadi via> > > online alright? I am thinking of Mr Siva Kumar> of> > > www.naadiastrologer.com . However, some say to> go> > > India and do everything including the remedies.> > Pls> > > advise.> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > Chelvam> > > > > > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy> > with> > > an Edge to see what's on, when. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Choose the right car based on your needs.> Check> > > out Autos new Car Finder tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy> > with> > > an Edge to see what's on, when. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship> > > answers from someone who knows.> > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > >>________> > Answers - Got

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Hi Nag

It is really disappointing to read your message, there is surely some flaw which is leading to not letting your correct Nadi reading,

a) I have seen cases where the questioning was done on the first leaf and it belonged to the person and the predictions have been coming correct.

b) I myself found my leaf after 7 years of visiting the Nadi centers, now is this destiny or the Nadi readers were not smart to get there answers correct from me?

c) Since you have been deceived 4 times that your belief is negative but on the positive side if we do not challenge the process what these readers are following but rather look at the objective/result which is being fulfilled for people would lead us to some better conclusions, for many many people Nadi has been able to give direction by suggesting the correct ways and paths.

Visting just 1 temple from the Pariharams in Tamil Nadu can change a human's life and i trust this.(surely one has to have the faith.

Thanks

Sudden

chiru chiru <chiru71 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09:06 PM My findings after visiting 4 Nadi centers

I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till nowand some how they will extract the date of birth andapprox time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time doesnot matter since they use their vakya panchanga and donot cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also someof them do not worry about Ascendent and are satisfiedwith Rasi.I took a digital voice recorder and recordedsecretely all the questions reader asked. Iintentionally cooperated with the reader since myintention is not to know the future , but to observetheir methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i haveheard the records after coming back and it is not adifficult task to guess the names with such a vastnumber of questions which cover all the alphabets!!! ! Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , hewill ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.I asked him , when

everything is written in palmleaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply isthat it is also availble in palm leaves I askedabout whether they my navamsa chart is there or notand he put a blank face.Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at allit there) tell the astrologer that you do not want anyquestions on Date of birth and do not want to revealDOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits ofmajor planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will dogood, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etcAlso if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, theywill start with "There are sins in ur past birth andan evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14and do the remedies, other wise the predictions maynot fulfil...." and most of the remedies point toTamiladu temples only!!!If you have the exact date & time of

birth, atraditional astrologer can also give a better readingthan these nadis..... Thats what i personally feelafter going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came true!)and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kalanadi and it mostly does not talke about parents namesspouse name etc)ThanksNag--- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> Hi,> Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi and> nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> morning)...> Plz let me know thw following things..> How can i find a good nadi reader..?> Is it must to give our b'day?> --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there is> a> > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> jaya.> > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> at> > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast .> I> > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and he> > has> > researched nadi like no one else. > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > kandam.> > Those interested can contact mr siva at > 0123196287.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > Mohan> > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > >

> Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't give> > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> so> > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> one> > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide other> > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of my> > wife> > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> all> > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> if> > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > >

> > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:> > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > personally. You dont have to give any> information > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > confirm> > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > it online through website, all websites ask all> > > information including the birth time, which > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> Natal> > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> real.> > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > except the thum print). > > > > > > If

anybody came across fake websites, please> let> > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > place.> > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > good> > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000@ > wrote:> > > Dear Chelvam,> > > I think you should first exhaust the standard> > > horoscope reading for guidance. If that does not> > > prove satisfactory or if you are looking for> > deeper> > > things then Nadi can be tried. As to online, you> > > should ask the nadi what method he will use to> > find> > > your leaf. Dont give him any detail about your> > > background. >

> > Hope you find this useful.> > > Regards,> > > Seshadri> > > 9867327835> > > > > > ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > Hello everyone,> > > > > > Could someone let me know if reading nadi via> > > online alright? I am thinking of Mr Siva Kumar> of> > > www.naadiastrologer .com . However, some say to> go> > > India and do everything including the remedies.> > Pls> > > advise.> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > Chelvam> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy> > with> > > an Edge to see what's on, when. > > >

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September 14, 2007

Hi Karan

I have expressed my concern that the readers whom i

met are not correct - in any case i do not want to say

that nadi astrology is wrong. The art/science may be

accurate, but all the 4 practitioners i met were not

sincere. One reader even said that the Mantra Jap

(from 13,14) has to be done by them only - even after

i told him that i have also some knowledge of some of

the mantras, perticularly the one which he referred

to!

I went to those 4 readers , even though they failed

one after the other just because i am interested in

this art. (They failed in my case & all my friends

cases, i am not saying in all cases)

Now when i hear all the 4 predictions of mine today

and also had my vimsottari dasa table in front of me,

i found direct correalation of my next vimsottari

dasas as well as Jupitor & Saturn transits with the

nadi predictions.

for example they said '35-36 you will be like this

/ that' and i found that there is a direct correlation

of Dasa/Antardasa of my vimsottari chart - hence i

expressed my opinion about them using horoscope.

One of the reader even went ahead and said since i

am having the sade sati, i need to do the remedies.

However i still continue to get in touch with

various readers to have a good understanding. I am

interested since i read the Chandra Kala Nadi copy

(Deva Keralam) when ever i get time - i could not find

my nadi in it. But i will be trying for my friend's /

family members. I am trying to correlate the Nadi

principles with classical astrology ( i am just a

learner of it, so i take the help of people who got

more exp in classical astrology).

As per Chandra Kala Nadi , there are only 150 Nadis

and 2 parts each (hence 300 sub parts) and considering

12 Ascendents - a max of 3600 combinations.

Unfortunatly the author of that tretaise have

collected only few ( i guess he hand-copied from

tanjavore library)

I request any one who is open-minded and interest,

please ask any good astrologer to cast ur exact

horoscope (using both Lahiri and Raman ayanamsa) &

Vimsottari Dasa and let them predict what might happen

in that Dasa/antardasa and compare with what nadi

reader told.

My intention is not prove/disprove Nadi -- but to

understand nadi.

Thanks

Nag

---- karan raj sharma <karanrajsharma

wrote:

> Hi Nag

> It is really disappointing to read your message,

> there is surely some flaw which is leading to not

> letting your correct Nadi reading,

>

> a) I have seen cases where the questioning was done

> on the first leaf and it belonged to the person and

> the predictions have been coming correct.

> b) I myself found my leaf after 7 years of visiting

> the Nadi centers, now is this destiny or the Nadi

> readers were not smart to get there answers correct

> from me?

> c) Since you have been deceived 4 times that your

> belief is negative but on the positive side if we do

> not challenge the process what these readers are

> following but rather look at the objective/result

> which is being fulfilled for people would lead us to

> some better conclusions, for many many people Nadi

> has been able to give direction by suggesting the

> correct ways and paths.

>

> Visting just 1 temple from the Pariharams in Tamil

> Nadu can change a human's life and i trust

> this.(surely one has to have the faith.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sudden

>

> chiru chiru <chiru71

>

> Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:09:06 PM

> My findings after visiting

> 4 Nadi centers

>

> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad till now

> and some how they will extract the date of birth and

> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does

> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and

> do

> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /

> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also

> some

> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are

> satisfied

> with Rasi.

>

> I took a digital voice recorder and recorded

> secretely all the questions reader asked. I

> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my

> intention is not to know the future , but to observe

> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have

> heard the records after coming back and it is not a

> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast

> number of questions which cover all the alphabets!!!

> !

> Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he

> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.

>

> I asked him , when everything is written in palm

> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is

> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked

> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not

> and he put a blank face.

>

> Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all

> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want

> any

> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal

> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.

>

> Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of

> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will

> do

> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc

>

> Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they

> will start with " There are sins in ur past birth and

> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14

> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may

> not fulfil.... " and most of the remedies point to

> Tamiladu temples only!!!

>

> If you have the exact date & time of birth, a

> traditional astrologer can also give a better

> reading

> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel

> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came

> true!)

> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala

> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents

> names

> spouse name etc)

>

> Thanks

> Nag

>

> --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa >

> wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi

> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi

> and

> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about

> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like

> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or

> > morning)...

> > Plz let me know thw following things..

> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?

> > Is it must to give our b'day?

> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there

> is

> > a

> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling

> > jaya.

> > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading

> > at

> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast

> .

> > I

> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and

> he

> > > has

> > > researched nadi like no one else.

> > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each

> > > kandam.

> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at

> > 0123196287.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Mohan

> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't

> give

> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader

> > so

> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just

> > > > comparing with a person asking " yes no " and

> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling

> > > > everything about parents name.

> > > >

> > > > In my case, after having the confidence with

> > one

> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide

> other

> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of

> my

> > > wife

> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were

> > all

> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking

> > if

> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.

> > > >

> > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you

> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.

> > > >

> > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:

> > > > The best way is to visit the reader

> > > > personally. You dont have to give any

> > information

> > > > except saying " yse " or " no " while trying to

> > > confirm

> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting

> > > > it online through website, all websites ask

> all

> > > > information including the birth time, which

> > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using

> > Natal

> > > > charts. There is a chance that these

> > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are

> > real.

> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the

> > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details

> > > > except the thum print).

> > > >

> > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please

> > let

> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that

> > > place.

> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.

> > > good

> > > > luck

> > > >

> > > > Sesh Krish <kseshadri_2000@ > wrote:

> > > > Dear Chelvam,

> > > > I think you should first exhaust the standard

>

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Hi Gopinath

I agree, as i earlier wrote, i am not denying the

authenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinion

that all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabad

does not seem to be accurate - this is based on my

experience as well as 3 of my friends'.

One bad experience i had with one reader, is that i

have paid for chapter 13 & 14 and asked for a reading.

He said due to various sins, i have taken human birth

blah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswami

has to be recited for X number of times. I asked him

that i hail from a strict vedic family and if he let

me know the mantra i will do the recitation - he

refused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koil

should do the recitation. Then he said i also need to

visit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells that

the name of the temple should be revealed only after i

pay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Also

he said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in the

mentioned temple and the puja details can not be

revealed afront!!!!

Now for everything they say its is written in the

leave - we have no way of verifying that...!

He said there is a strong possibility of getting

divorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies

i said fine and came back and never worried about

it and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still living

with the spouse, no chance of divorce.

Now one question - why do readers start general

kandam that there are many problems in near future say

with in next one year and it is advisable to do the

remedies immediately? (It happened to all my 4

friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadi

reader predicted that he will never go abroad - now he

lived in HongKong for 2 years.

All the Readers i met have done lot of permutations

and combinations before telling the names. Now if one

asks questions with every alphabet, whether name is 2

part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,

then names will match somewhere - right?

Thanks

Nag

---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana wrote:

> It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts

> also produce reasonably close

> predictions. However, it is not true that

> " strictly " vedic astrology is used in Nadi

> leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition

> / divine ispiration has been used

> by the sages to write this. Although, vedic

> astrology can predict detailed life events.

> but cannot predict the names of persons.

>

> I have come across,some website at which, an

> astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from

> 4 places and compares with vedic astrology

> regarding his son' s marriage. All of them

> match with few differences. But he concludes that

> Nadi astrology has upper hand due

> to its ability to even predict the name of the

> partner. I will try to find the link and post it

> in the future.

>

> I have no doubt about the autheticty of the

> " Nadi Astrology " due to my presonal

> experience. However, we should be be tocareful to

> avoid fake Nadi readers. Those

> who had bad experience, please post the specific

> details so that we can avoid

> the specific places.

>

> Girish <g_s_b_80 wrote:

> This is what I am always

> saying.......Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic

> astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can

> predict a lot and this what they are doing.

>

> Girish...

> IL,USA

>

> chiru chiru <chiru71 wrote:

> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad

> till now

> and some how they will extract the date of birth and

> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does

> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and

> do

> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /

> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also

> some

> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are

> satisfied

> with Rasi.

>

> I took a digital voice recorder and recorded

> secretely all the questions reader asked. I

> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my

> intention is not to know the future , but to observe

> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have

> heard the records after coming back and it is not a

> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast

> number of questions which cover all the

> alphabets!!!!

> Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he

> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.

>

> I asked him , when everything is written in palm

> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is

> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked

> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not

> and he put a blank face.

>

> Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all

> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want

> any

> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal

> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.

>

> Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of

> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will

> do

> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc

>

> Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they

> will start with " There are sins in ur past birth and

> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14

> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may

> not fulfil.... " and most of the remedies point to

> Tamiladu temples only!!!

>

> If you have the exact date & time of birth, a

> traditional astrologer can also give a better

> reading

> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel

> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came

> true!)

> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala

> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents

> names

> spouse name etc)

>

> Thanks

> Nag

>

> --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi

> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi

> and

> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about

> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like

> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or

> > morning)...

> > Plz let me know thw following things..

> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?

> > Is it must to give our b'day?

> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there

> is

> > a

> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling

> > jaya.

> > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading

> > at

> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast

> .

> > I

> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and

> he

> > > has

> > > researched nadi like no one else.

> > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each

> > > kandam.

> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at

> > 0123196287.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Mohan

> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam wrote:

> > >

> > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't

> give

> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader

> > so

> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just

> > > > comparing with a person asking " yes no " and

> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling

> > > > everything about parents name.

> > > >

> > > > In my case, after having the confidence with

> > one

> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide

> other

> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of

> my

> > > wife

> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were

> > all

> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking

> > if

> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.

> > > >

> > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you

> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.

> > > >

> > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana wrote:

> > > > The best way is to visit the reader

> > > > personally. You dont have to give any

> > information

> > > > except saying " yse " or " no " while trying to

> > > confirm

> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting

> > > > it online through website, all websites ask

> all

> > > > information including the birth time, which

> > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using

> > Natal

> > > > charts. There is a chance that these

> > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are

> > real.

> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the

> > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details

> > > > except the thum print).

> > > >

> > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please

> > let

> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that

> > > place.

> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.

> > > good

> > > > luck

> > > >

>

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September 19, 2007

Hi Nag, I just like to share my experience without any opinion. Firstly, my reader read out Chapter 13 completely revealing which temple and poojas to do. It is only at the begining of the prayer cycles he asked for a donation to the nadi leafs/reader. For chapter 14, he revealed the name of the Moola mantra to be recited for 108 days. He did not say those mantras must be performed only by him . See http://www.naadiastrologer.com/ or http://naadiastrologer.andhimazhai.com/ I leave it to you to draw your own conclusion. Regards, Chelvam chiru chiru <chiru71 wrote: Hi GopinathI agree, as i earlier wrote, i am not denying theauthenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinionthat all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabaddoes not seem to be accurate - this is based on myexperience as well as 3 of my friends'.One bad experience i had with one reader, is that ihave paid for chapter 13 & 14 and asked for a reading.He said due to various sins, i have taken human birthblah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswamihas to be recited for X number of times. I asked himthat i hail from a strict vedic family and if he letme know the mantra i will do the recitation

- herefused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koilshould do the recitation. Then he said i also need tovisit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells thatthe name of the temple should be revealed only after ipay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Alsohe said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in thementioned temple and the puja details can not berevealed afront!!!!Now for everything they say its is written in theleave - we have no way of verifying that...!He said there is a strong possibility of gettingdivorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies:) i said fine and came back and never worried aboutit and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still livingwith the spouse, no chance of divorce.Now one question - why do readers start generalkandam that there are many problems in near future saywith in next one year and it is advisable to do theremedies immediately?

(It happened to all my 4friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadireader predicted that he will never go abroad - now helived in HongKong for 2 years.All the Readers i met have done lot of permutationsand combinations before telling the names. Now if oneasks questions with every alphabet, whether name is 2part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,then names will match somewhere - right?ThanksNag---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > wrote:> It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts> also produce reasonably close > predictions. However, it is not true that> "strictly" vedic astrology is used in Nadi> leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition> / divine ispiration has been used > by the sages to write this. Although, vedic> astrology can predict detailed life

events. > but cannot predict the names of persons. > > I have come across,some website at which, an> astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from > 4 places and compares with vedic astrology> regarding his son' s marriage. All of them > match with few differences. But he concludes that> Nadi astrology has upper hand due> to its ability to even predict the name of the> partner. I will try to find the link and post it> in the future.> > I have no doubt about the autheticty of the> "Nadi Astrology" due to my presonal > experience. However, we should be be tocareful to> avoid fake Nadi readers. Those > who had bad experience, please post the specific> details so that we can avoid > the specific places. > > > > > Girish <g_s_b_80 > wrote:> This is what

I am always> saying.......Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic> astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can> predict a lot and this what they are doing.> > Girish...> IL,USA> > chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad> till now> and some how they will extract the date of birth and> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and> do> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also> some> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are> satisfied> with Rasi.> > I took a digital voice recorder and recorded> secretely all the questions reader asked. I> intentionally cooperated with the reader since

my> intention is not to know the future , but to observe> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have> heard the records after coming back and it is not a> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast> number of questions which cover all the> alphabets!!!! > Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.> > I asked him , when everything is written in palm> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not> and he put a blank face.> > Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want> any> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.> >

Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will> do> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc> > Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they> will start with "There are sins in ur past birth and> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may> not fulfil...." and most of the remedies point to> Tamiladu temples only!!!> > If you have the exact date & time of birth, a> traditional astrologer can also give a better> reading> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came> true!)> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents> names> spouse name etc)> > Thanks> Nag>

> --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> > > Hi,> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi> and> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> > morning)...> > Plz let me know thw following things..> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?> > Is it must to give our b'day?> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there> is> > a> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> > jaya.> > >

His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> > at> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast> .> > I> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and> he> > > has> > > researched nadi like no one else. > > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > > kandam.> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at > > 0123196287.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Mohan> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't> give> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> > so> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > >

comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> > one> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide> other> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of> my> > > wife> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> > all> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> > if> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > > > > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana >

wrote:> > > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > > personally. You dont have to give any> > information > > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > > confirm> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > > it online through website, all websites ask> all> > > > information including the birth time, which > > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> > Natal> > > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> > real.> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > > except the thum print). > > > > > > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please> > let>

> > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > > place.> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > > good> > > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===________ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

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September 21, 2007

Hello Mr. Nag I am sorry that you have been unsuccessful in finding a reliable Nadi reader. It could also mean that it is not the right time for you to seek your nadi !! ( just my opinion). If you want to know why for some people it comes true fully while for few it is less or not at all, I recommend you to try and attend the conference in Pune. There you can discuss directly with the experts and Nadi readers. Fortunately, I found a reliable Nadi interpreter (R. GovindarajanVijayawada Ph: 08662436183 ). I have known atleast 10 people who visited this place including me and no one has any complaints. You can call them, explain your bad experience, take an appointment and visit them. Probably they will suggest a reliable

intrerpreter in your place itself !! For all my friends who visited, it never took more than 1-2 minutes to find the leaf. Very few questions, once he confirms the name of person, it is nonstop reading .. and no charts drawn.. blah blah blah ... To my knowledge, he never forced anyone to do any pooja or payment. Good Luck Gopinath chiru chiru <chiru71 wrote: Hi GopinathI agree,

as i earlier wrote, i am not denying theauthenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinionthat all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabaddoes not seem to be accurate - this is based on myexperience as well as 3 of my friends'.One bad experience i had with one reader, is that ihave paid for chapter 13 & 14 and asked for a reading.He said due to various sins, i have taken human birthblah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswamihas to be recited for X number of times. I asked himthat i hail from a strict vedic family and if he letme know the mantra i will do the recitation - herefused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koilshould do the recitation. Then he said i also need tovisit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells thatthe name of the temple should be revealed only after ipay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Alsohe said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in

thementioned temple and the puja details can not berevealed afront!!!!Now for everything they say its is written in theleave - we have no way of verifying that...!He said there is a strong possibility of gettingdivorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies:) i said fine and came back and never worried aboutit and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still livingwith the spouse, no chance of divorce.Now one question - why do readers start generalkandam that there are many problems in near future saywith in next one year and it is advisable to do theremedies immediately? (It happened to all my 4friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadireader predicted that he will never go abroad - now helived in HongKong for 2 years.All the Readers i met have done lot of permutationsand combinations before telling the names. Now if oneasks questions with every alphabet, whether name

is 2part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,then names will match somewhere - right?ThanksNag---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > wrote:> It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts> also produce reasonably close > predictions. However, it is not true that> "strictly" vedic astrology is used in Nadi> leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition> / divine ispiration has been used > by the sages to write this. Although, vedic> astrology can predict detailed life events. > but cannot predict the names of persons. > > I have come across,some website at which, an> astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from > 4 places and compares with vedic astrology> regarding his son' s marriage. All of them > match with few differences. But he concludes that> Nadi

astrology has upper hand due> to its ability to even predict the name of the> partner. I will try to find the link and post it> in the future.> > I have no doubt about the autheticty of the> "Nadi Astrology" due to my presonal > experience. However, we should be be tocareful to> avoid fake Nadi readers. Those > who had bad experience, please post the specific> details so that we can avoid > the specific places. > > > > > Girish <g_s_b_80 > wrote:> This is what I am always> saying.......Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic> astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can> predict a lot and this what they are doing.> > Girish...> IL,USA> > chiru chiru <chiru71 >

wrote:> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad> till now> and some how they will extract the date of birth and> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and> do> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also> some> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are> satisfied> with Rasi.> > I took a digital voice recorder and recorded> secretely all the questions reader asked. I> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my> intention is not to know the future , but to observe> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have> heard the records after coming back and it is not a> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast> number of questions which cover all the> alphabets!!!! > Finally

once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.> > I asked him , when everything is written in palm> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not> and he put a blank face.> > Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want> any> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.> > Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will> do> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc> > Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they> will start with "There are sins in ur past birth and> an evil on your

family.... please get chapter 13,14> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may> not fulfil...." and most of the remedies point to> Tamiladu temples only!!!> > If you have the exact date & time of birth, a> traditional astrologer can also give a better> reading> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came> true!)> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents> names> spouse name etc)> > Thanks> Nag> > --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> > > Hi,> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi> and> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking

about> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> > morning)...> > Plz let me know thw following things..> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?> > Is it must to give our b'day?> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there> is> > a> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> > jaya.> > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> > at> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast> .> > I> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and> he> > > has> > > researched nadi like no one else. > >

> The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > > kandam.> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at > > 0123196287.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Mohan> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't> give> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> > so> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> > one> > > > reader I provided all

names.(dont provide> other> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of> my> > > wife> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> > all> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> > if> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > > > > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > wrote:> > > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > > personally. You dont have to give any> > information > > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > > confirm> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > >

> it online through website, all websites ask> all> > > > information including the birth time, which > > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> > Natal> > > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> > real.> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > > except the thum print). > > > > > > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please> > let> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > > place.> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > > good> > > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message

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September 21, 2007

Hello Mr.Gopinath and Nag

I have been reading your discussion for a few days and feel that still we have not been able to conclude on the bad experiance of Mr. Nag and the good one of Gopinathji.

Why do you want to give a cow to an NGO or a poor man or anyone you feel right(and not to the reader) only becuase he has asked for it and otherwise it would have been your own decision. The biggest problem of incorrect predictions(for a few people) for future is becuase people start to doubt the oppurtunity and the potential which has come across them in terms of Shanti and Deeksha chapters(13th and 14th Chapters).

I would like to call in Mr. Rajas to please explain a few things,

a) What is the outcome of the research done so far by the people mentioned in your recent mail, have any conclusive results come out which can give an direction. I have read Mr. Oak's book and it has many experiances but in technical terms people who have been deceived will never agree or realise the truth of Nadi.

b) As an request(as mentioned in your mail) plan what is the motive of knowing the experiances of people becuase on a daily basis we see some with Bad and some good and again this would only lead to a confusion with more and more people and the good readers also would be always suspected.

c) I am a 100% believer of Nadi whereas nothing significant predicted till now has happened, it could be becuase i have a strong faith on Nadi but with the discussions on the forum things are becoming too generalised and someone really needs to throw light with facts else soon we will have a negative environment with many suspisions.

d) Please give some details about the lifes of the Nadi readers, I know they are not rich people and they live a very simple life and ignornace to this fact leads to many negative comments by people on the group.

best regards

KRS

Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:29:19 AMRe: My findings after visiting 4 Nadi centers

Hello Mr. Nag I am sorry that you have been unsuccessful in finding a reliable Nadi reader. It could also mean that it is not the right time for you to

seek your nadi !! ( just my opinion). If you want to know why for some

people it comes true fully while for few it is less or not at all, I recommend

you to try and attend the conference in Pune. There you can discuss

directly with the experts and Nadi readers.

Fortunately, I found a reliable Nadi interpreter (R. GovindarajanVijayawada Ph: 08662436183 ). I have known atleast 10 people who

visited this place including me and no one has any complaints. You can call them, explain your bad experience, take an appointment and visit them. Probably they will suggest a reliable intrerpreter in your place itself !!

For all my friends who visited, it never took more than 1-2 minutes to find the leaf. Very few questions, once he confirms the name of person, it is nonstop reading .. and no charts drawn.. blah blah blah ... To my knowledge, he never forced anyone to do any pooja or payment.

Good Luck

Gopinath

chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:

Hi GopinathI agree, as i earlier wrote, i am not denying theauthenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinionthat all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabaddoes not seem to be accurate - this is based on myexperience as well as 3 of my friends'.One bad experience i had with one reader, is that ihave paid for chapter 13 & 14 and asked for a reading.He said due to various sins, i have taken human birthblah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswamihas to be recited for X number of times. I asked himthat i hail from a strict vedic family and if he letme know the mantra i will do the recitation - herefused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koilshould do the recitation. Then he said i also need tovisit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells thatthe name of the temple should be revealed only after ipay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Alsohe

said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in thementioned temple and the puja details can not berevealed afront!!!!Now for everything they say its is written in theleave - we have no way of verifying that...!He said there is a strong possibility of gettingdivorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies:) i said fine and came back and never worried aboutit and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still livingwith the spouse, no chance of divorce.Now one question - why do readers start generalkandam that there are many problems in near future saywith in next one year and it is advisable to do theremedies immediately? (It happened to all my 4friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadireader predicted that he will never go abroad - now helived in HongKong for 2 years.All the Readers i met have done lot of permutationsand combinations before telling the

names. Now if oneasks questions with every alphabet, whether name is 2part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,then names will match somewhere - right?ThanksNag---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:> It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts> also produce reasonably close > predictions. However, it is not true that> "strictly" vedic astrology is used in Nadi> leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition> / divine ispiration has been used > by the sages to write this. Although, vedic> astrology can predict detailed life events. > but cannot predict the names of persons. > > I have come across,some website at which, an> astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from > 4 places and compares with vedic astrology>

regarding his son' s marriage. All of them > match with few differences. But he concludes that> Nadi astrology has upper hand due> to its ability to even predict the name of the> partner. I will try to find the link and post it> in the future.> > I have no doubt about the autheticty of the> "Nadi Astrology" due to my presonal > experience. However, we should be be tocareful to> avoid fake Nadi readers. Those > who had bad experience, please post the specific> details so that we can avoid > the specific places. > > > > > Girish <g_s_b_80 > wrote:> This is what I am always> saying...... .Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic> astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can> predict a lot and this what they are

doing.> > Girish...> IL,USA> > chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad> till now> and some how they will extract the date of birth and> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and> do> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also> some> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are> satisfied> with Rasi.> > I took a digital voice recorder and recorded> secretely all the questions reader asked. I> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my> intention is not to know the future , but to observe> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have> heard the

records after coming back and it is not a> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast> number of questions which cover all the> alphabets!!! ! > Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.> > I asked him , when everything is written in palm> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is> that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not> and he put a blank face.> > Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want> any> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.> > Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will>

do> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc> > Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they> will start with "There are sins in ur past birth and> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may> not fulfil...." and most of the remedies point to> Tamiladu temples only!!!> > If you have the exact date & time of birth, a> traditional astrologer can also give a better> reading> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came> true!)> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents> names> spouse name etc)> > Thanks> Nag> > --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> > > Hi,> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi> and> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> > morning)...> > Plz let me know thw following things..> > How can i find a good nadi reader..?> > Is it must to give our b'day?> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there> is> > a> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> > jaya.> > > His name is Shanmugam

and he is does the reading> > at> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast> .> > I> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and> he> > > has> > > researched nadi like no one else. > > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > > kandam.> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at > > 0123196287.> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Mohan> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't> give> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> > so> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am

just> > > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> > one> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide> other> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of> my> > > wife> > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were> > all> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> > if> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > > > > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:> > > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > > personally. You dont have to give any> > information > > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > > confirm> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > > it online through website, all websites ask> all> > > > information including the birth time, which > > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using> > Natal> > > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> > real.> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > > except the thum print). > > > > >

> > > If anybody came across fake websites, please> > let> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > > place.> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > > good> > > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

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September 22, 2007

Hello Mr Sharma,we are not trying to create a negative environment for Naadi Astrology here. I believe in it, and plan to get a reading soon. However, I would like to take my time and look for a genuine Naadi reader. That is all that I am trying to do through these discussions.This is like saying that one's whole life is predetermined based on karma, so anything that one does is not going to make any difference. I beg to differ. If i am destined to get a good reading, may be I am also destined to look for a good reader, sort out the genuine from the fake, and get a reading only from a good reader. Of course, if in spite of all my efforts I don't get a reading, I will console myself by saying that may be that was my destiny. Another thing, I do not believe that an astrologer who asks every second person to donate a cow to him, is poor. Appearances are deceptive.I personally wouldn't trust such a person to give me a genuine reading. If you do, good for

you. But I only trust people after they have established themselves to be trustworthy by virtue of their actions.Alpanakaran raj sharma <karanrajsharma wrote: Hello Mr.Gopinath and Nag I have

been reading your discussion for a few days and feel that still we have not been able to conclude on the bad experiance of Mr. Nag and the good one of Gopinathji. Why do you want to give a cow to an NGO or a poor man or anyone you feel right(and not to the reader) only becuase he has asked for it and otherwise it would have been your own decision. The biggest problem of incorrect predictions(for a few people) for future is becuase people start to doubt the oppurtunity and the potential which has come across them in terms of Shanti and Deeksha chapters(13th and 14th Chapters). I would like to call in Mr. Rajas to please explain a few things, a) What is the outcome of the research done so far by the people mentioned in your recent mail, have any conclusive results come out which can give an direction. I have read Mr. Oak's book and it has many experiances but in technical terms people who have been deceived will never agree or realise the truth of Nadi. b) As an request(as mentioned in your mail) plan what is the motive of knowing the experiances of people becuase on a daily basis we see some with Bad and some good and again this would only lead to a confusion with more and more people and the good readers also would be always

suspected. c) I am a 100% believer of Nadi whereas nothing significant predicted till now has happened, it could be becuase i have a strong faith on Nadi but with the discussions on the forum things are becoming too generalised and someone really needs to throw light with facts else soon we will have a negative environment with many suspisions. d) Please give some details about the lifes of the Nadi readers, I know they are not rich people and they live a very simple life and ignornace to this fact leads to many negative comments by people on the group. best regards KRS Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:29:19 AMRe: My findings after visiting 4 Nadi centers Hello Mr.

Nag I am sorry that you have been unsuccessful in finding a reliable Nadi reader. It could also mean that it is not the right time for you to seek your nadi !! ( just my opinion). If you want to know why for some people it comes true fully while for few it is less or not at all, I recommend you to try and attend the conference in Pune. There you can discuss directly with the experts and Nadi readers. Fortunately, I found a reliable Nadi interpreter (R. GovindarajanVijayawada Ph: 08662436183 ). I have known atleast 10 people who visited this place including me and no one has any complaints. You can call them, explain your bad experience, take an appointment and visit them. Probably they will suggest a reliable intrerpreter in your place itself

!! For all my friends who visited, it never took more than 1-2 minutes to find the leaf. Very few questions, once he confirms the name of person, it is nonstop reading .. and no charts drawn.. blah blah blah ... To my knowledge, he never forced anyone to do any pooja or payment. Good Luck Gopinath chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote: Hi GopinathI agree, as i earlier wrote, i am not denying theauthenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinionthat all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabaddoes not seem to be accurate - this is based on myexperience as well as 3 of my friends'.One bad experience i had with one reader, is that ihave paid for chapter

13 & 14 and asked for a reading.He said due to various sins, i have taken human birthblah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswamihas to be recited for X number of times. I asked himthat i hail from a strict vedic family and if he letme know the mantra i will do the recitation - herefused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koilshould do the recitation. Then he said i also need tovisit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells thatthe name of the temple should be revealed only after ipay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Alsohe said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in thementioned temple and the puja details can not berevealed afront!!!!Now for everything they say its is written in theleave - we have no way of verifying that...!He said there is a strong possibility of gettingdivorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies:) i said fine and came back and

never worried aboutit and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still livingwith the spouse, no chance of divorce.Now one question - why do readers start generalkandam that there are many problems in near future saywith in next one year and it is advisable to do theremedies immediately? (It happened to all my 4friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadireader predicted that he will never go abroad - now helived in HongKong for 2 years.All the Readers i met have done lot of permutationsand combinations before telling the names. Now if oneasks questions with every alphabet, whether name is 2part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,then names will match somewhere - right?ThanksNag---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:> It is true that vedic astrology and Natal

charts> also produce reasonably close > predictions. However, it is not true that> "strictly" vedic astrology is used in Nadi> leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition> / divine ispiration has been used > by the sages to write this. Although, vedic> astrology can predict detailed life events. > but cannot predict the names of persons. > > I have come across,some website at which, an> astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from > 4 places and compares with vedic astrology> regarding his son' s marriage. All of them > match with few differences. But he concludes that> Nadi astrology has upper hand due> to its ability to even predict the name of the> partner. I will try to find the link and post it> in the future.> > I have no doubt about the autheticty of the> "Nadi Astrology" due to my presonal > experience. However, we

should be be tocareful to> avoid fake Nadi readers. Those > who had bad experience, please post the specific> details so that we can avoid > the specific places. > > > > > Girish <g_s_b_80 > wrote:> This is what I am always> saying...... .Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic> astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can> predict a lot and this what they are doing.> > Girish...> IL,USA> > chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:> I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad> till now> and some how they will extract the date of birth and> approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does> not matter since they use their vakya panchanga

and> do> not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /> afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also> some> of them do not worry about Ascendent and are> satisfied> with Rasi.> > I took a digital voice recorder and recorded> secretely all the questions reader asked. I> intentionally cooperated with the reader since my> intention is not to know the future , but to observe> their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have> heard the records after coming back and it is not a> difficult task to guess the names with such a vast> number of questions which cover all the> alphabets!!! ! > Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he> will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.> > I asked him , when everything is written in palm> leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is> that it is also availble in

palm leaves I asked> about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not> and he put a blank face.> > Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all> it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want> any> questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal> DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.> > Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of> major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will> do> good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc> > Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they> will start with "There are sins in ur past birth and> an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14> and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may> not fulfil...." and most of the remedies point to> Tamiladu temples only!!!> > If you have the exact date & time of birth, a>

traditional astrologer can also give a better> reading> than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel> after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came> true!)> and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala> nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents> names> spouse name etc)> > Thanks> Nag> > --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:> > > Hi,> > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi> > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi> and> > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about> > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like> > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or> > morning)...> > Plz let me know thw following things..> > How can i find a good nadi

reader..?> > Is it must to give our b'day?> > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there> is> > a> > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling> > jaya.> > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading> > at> > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast> .> > I> > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and> he> > > has> > > researched nadi like no one else. > > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each> > > kandam.> > > Those interested can contact mr siva at > > 0123196287.> > > > > > > > >

Regards,> > > > > > Mohan> > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:> > > > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't> give> > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader> > so> > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just> > > > comparing with a person asking "yes no" and> > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling> > > > everything about parents name.> > > > > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with> > one> > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide> other> > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of> my> > > wife> > > > is slightly different. Though other

facts were> > all> > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking> > if> > > > there another leaf matching exactly.> > > > > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you> > > > really knowto a genuine reader.> > > > > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:> > > > The best way is to visit the reader> > > > personally. You dont have to give any> > information > > > > except saying "yse" or "no" while trying to> > > confirm> > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting> > > > it online through website, all websites ask> all> > > > information including the birth time, which > > > > can be used to

make detailed astrology using> > Natal> > > > charts. There is a chance that these > > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are> > real.> > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the > > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details> > > > except the thum print). > > > > > > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please> > let> > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that> > > place.> > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.> > > good> > > > luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ===____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web

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December 5, 2007

Dear Karan & friends,

sorry I overlooked this email where u have asked me to comment on few

points.

in future request you to send email to my email id - if u wnat to

disucss anything with me as I may not be able to go thru all the

emails on this group.

Well, I'm planning to share my updated views on this subject matter

in near future where I'll try to cover the points raised in this

email.

Regds

Rajas

, karan raj sharma

<karanrajsharma wrote:

>

> Hello Mr.Gopinath and Nag

>

> I have been reading your discussion for a few days and feel that

still we have not been able to conclude on the bad experiance of Mr.

Nag and the good one of Gopinathji.

>

> Why do you want to give a cow to an NGO or a poor man or anyone you

feel right(and not to the reader) only becuase he has asked for it

and otherwise it would have been your own decision. The biggest

problem of incorrect predictions(for a few people) for future is

becuase people start to doubt the oppurtunity and the potential which

has come across them in terms of Shanti and Deeksha chapters(13th and

14th Chapters).

>

> I would like to call in Mr. Rajas to please explain a few things,

> a) What is the outcome of the research done so far by the people

mentioned in your recent mail, have any conclusive results come out

which can give an direction. I have read Mr. Oak's book and it has

many experiances but in technical terms people who have been deceived

will never agree or realise the truth of Nadi.

> b) As an request(as mentioned in your mail) plan what is the motive

of knowing the experiances of people becuase on a daily basis we see

some with Bad and some good and again this would only lead to a

confusion with more and more people and the good readers also would

be always suspected.

> c) I am a 100% believer of Nadi whereas nothing significant

predicted till now has happened, it could be becuase i have a strong

faith on Nadi but with the discussions on the forum things are

becoming too generalised and someone really needs to throw light with

facts else soon we will have a negative environment with many

suspisions.

> d) Please give some details about the lifes of the Nadi readers, I

know they are not rich people and they live a very simple life and

ignornace to this fact leads to many negative comments by people on

the group.

>

> best regards

>

> KRS

> Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana

>

> Friday, September 21, 2007 5:29:19 AM

> Re: My findings after visiting 4 Nadi

centers

>

> Hello Mr. Nag

> I am sorry that you have been unsuccessful in finding a

reliable

> Nadi reader. It could also mean that it is not the right time for

you to

> seek your nadi !! ( just my opinion). If you want to know why for

some

> people it comes true fully while for few it is less or not at all,

I recommend

> you to try and attend the conference in Pune. There you can discuss

> directly with the experts and Nadi readers.

>

> Fortunately, I found a reliable Nadi interpreter (R.

Govindarajan

> Vijayawada Ph: 08662436183 ). I have known atleast 10 people who

> visited this place including me and no one has any complaints. You

can call them, explain your bad experience, take an appointment and

visit them. Probably they will suggest a reliable intrerpreter in

your place itself !!

>

> For all my friends who visited, it never took more than 1-2

minutes to find the leaf. Very few questions, once he confirms the

name of person, it is nonstop reading .. and no charts drawn.. blah

blah blah ... To my knowledge, he never forced anyone to do any

pooja or payment.

>

> Good Luck

> Gopinath

>

> chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:

> Hi Gopinath

>

> I agree, as i earlier wrote, i am not denying the

> authenticity of Nadi Sastra, but expressed my opinion

> that all the 4 Nadi readers i visited in Hyderabad

> does not seem to be accurate - this is based on my

> experience as well as 3 of my friends'.

>

> One bad experience i had with one reader, is that i

> have paid for chapter 13 & 14 and asked for a reading.

> He said due to various sins, i have taken human birth

> blah blah. He said Shadakshari Mantra of kumaraswami

> has to be recited for X number of times. I asked him

> that i hail from a strict vedic family and if he let

> me know the mantra i will do the recitation - he

> refused and said only his boss at vaitheeswaran koil

> should do the recitation. Then he said i also need to

> visit a temple in tamilnadu but Nadi leaf tells that

> the name of the temple should be revealed only after i

> pay 1001/- along with SILK cloths to the reader. Also

> he said he has to arrange for all the pujas etc in the

> mentioned temple and the puja details can not be

> revealed afront!!!!

>

> Now for everything they say its is written in the

> leave - we have no way of verifying that...!

>

> He said there is a strong possibility of getting

> divorced with in 3 years if i do not do the remedies

> i said fine and came back and never worried about

> it and it is almost 6 years back !!! I am still living

> with the spouse, no chance of divorce.

>

> Now one question - why do readers start general

> kandam that there are many problems in near future say

> with in next one year and it is advisable to do the

> remedies immediately? (It happened to all my 4

> friends). Surprisingly one of my friend, for whom nadi

> reader predicted that he will never go abroad - now he

> lived in HongKong for 2 years.

>

> All the Readers i met have done lot of permutations

> and combinations before telling the names. Now if one

> asks questions with every alphabet, whether name is 2

> part 3 part or name start with that god / this god ,

> then names will match somewhere - right?

>

> Thanks

> Nag

>

> ---- Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:

>

> > It is true that vedic astrology and Natal charts

> > also produce reasonably close

> > predictions. However, it is not true that

> > " strictly " vedic astrology is used in Nadi

> > leaves. Vedic Astrology , together with intuition

> > / divine ispiration has been used

> > by the sages to write this. Although, vedic

> > astrology can predict detailed life events.

> > but cannot predict the names of persons.

> >

> > I have come across,some website at which, an

> > astrolger consulted Nadi leaves from

> > 4 places and compares with vedic astrology

> > regarding his son' s marriage. All of them

> > match with few differences. But he concludes that

> > Nadi astrology has upper hand due

> > to its ability to even predict the name of the

> > partner. I will try to find the link and post it

> > in the future.

> >

> > I have no doubt about the autheticty of the

> > " Nadi Astrology " due to my presonal

> > experience. However, we should be be tocareful to

> > avoid fake Nadi readers. Those

> > who had bad experience, please post the specific

> > details so that we can avoid

> > the specific places.

> >

> > Girish <g_s_b_80 > wrote:

> > This is what I am always

> > saying...... .Nadi Astrology is stringly using vedic

> > astrology. With the help of vedic astrology you can

> > predict a lot and this what they are doing.

> >

> > Girish...

> > IL,USA

> >

> > chiru chiru <chiru71 > wrote:

> > I have been to 4 nadi readers in hyderabad

> > till now

> > and some how they will extract the date of birth and

> > approx time and cast ur horoscope. (exact time does

> > not matter since they use their vakya panchanga and

> > do

> > not cast divisional charts.) Mostly morning /

> > afternoon / evening / night will be enough. Also

> > some

> > of them do not worry about Ascendent and are

> > satisfied

> > with Rasi.

> >

> > I took a digital voice recorder and recorded

> > secretely all the questions reader asked. I

> > intentionally cooperated with the reader since my

> > intention is not to know the future , but to observe

> > their methodology. I did it with 2 Nadis. Now i have

> > heard the records after coming back and it is not a

> > difficult task to guess the names with such a vast

> > number of questions which cover all the

> > alphabets!!! !

> > Finally once he catch hold of ur date of birth , he

> > will ask u to wait and prepare horoscope.

> >

> > I asked him , when everything is written in palm

> > leaves why horoscope is needed, and their reply is

> > that it is also availble in palm leaves I asked

> > about whether they my navamsa chart is there or not

> > and he put a blank face.

> >

> > Now if you want to get a genuine reading (if at all

> > it there) tell the astrologer that you do not want

> > any

> > questions on Date of birth and do not want to reveal

> > DOB. If the reader agrees then there is stuff in it.

> >

> > Or, they will prepare horoscope and use transits of

> > major planets to tell you that from 30-34 you will

> > do

> > good, buy some house 35-38 bad 39-42 good etc

> >

> > Also if u ask only for 1st chapter predicion, they

> > will start with " There are sins in ur past birth and

> > an evil on your family.... please get chapter 13,14

> > and do the remedies, other wise the predictions may

> > not fulfil.... " and most of the remedies point to

> > Tamiladu temples only!!!

> >

> > If you have the exact date & time of birth, a

> > traditional astrologer can also give a better

> > reading

> > than these nadis..... Thats what i personally feel

> > after going thru 4 Nadis (and none of them came

> > true!)

> > and also i have a copy of Deva Keralam (chandra kala

> > nadi and it mostly does not talke about parents

> > names

> > spouse name etc)

> >

> > Thanks

> > Nag

> >

> > --- swaminathan kathirvel <kagunaa > wrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > > Is is must to give the exact date to the nadi

> > > readers..Because date is enough to predict Rasi

> > and

> > > nakshatra(because the nadi rader asking about

> > > approximate time indirectly ...thequestion is like

> > > ....is ur birrth time is evening,night or

> > > morning)...

> > > Plz let me know thw following things..

> > > How can i find a good nadi reader..?

> > > Is it must to give our b'day?

> > > --- Mohan Nagendram <kondu67 > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > This piece of info is for all malaysians. there

> > is

> > > a

> > > > very good and reliable nadi reader in petaling

> > > jaya.

> > > > His name is Shanmugam and he is does the reading

> > > at

> > > > the home of one Mr Siva who is a nadi enthusiast

> > .

> > > I

> > > > have known Siva for a goosd number of years and

> > he

> > > > has

> > > > researched nadi like no one else.

> > > > The charges is very reasonable, RM 40 for each

> > > > kandam.

> > > > Those interested can contact mr siva at

> > > 0123196287.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Mohan

> > > > --- ST Chelvam <st_chelvam > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Thanks guys. I am just wondering why can't

> > give

> > > > > complete details to a trustworthy naadi reader

> > > so

> > > > > that he can locate the exact leaf. I am just

> > > > > comparing with a person asking " yes no " and

> > > > > eventually it comes to the same as telling

> > > > > everything about parents name.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my case, after having the confidence with

> > > one

> > > > > reader I provided all names.(dont provide

> > other

> > > > > clues). yet he was truthful that the name of

> > my

> > > > wife

> > > > > is slightly different. Though other facts were

> > > all

> > > > > correct. However, now he is in double checking

> > > if

> > > > > there another leaf matching exactly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just a thought and this apply to someone you

> > > > > really knowto a genuine reader.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gopinath <gopinath_mudhana@ > wrote:

> > > > > The best way is to visit the reader

> > > > > personally. You dont have to give any

> > > information

> > > > > except saying " yse " or " no " while trying to

> > > > confirm

> > > > > your leaf. However, if you are getting

> > > > > it online through website, all websites ask

> > all

> > > > > information including the birth time, which

> > > > > can be used to make detailed astrology using

> > > Natal

> > > > > charts. There is a chance that these

> > > > > websites can be fake. But most of them are

> > > real.

> > > > > They contact the Nadi centers with the

> > > > > details ( they wont disclose the birth details

> > > > > except the thum print).

> > > > >

> > > > > If anybody came across fake websites, please

> > > let

> > > > > the community know, so that we can avoid that

> > > > place.

> > > > > To my knowledge, I havent found any fake ones.

> > > > good

> > > > > luck

> > > > >

> >

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>

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