RE: About Pandit Nathulal

June 22, 2007

You can get more information on Pandit Nathulal at : http://www.journalofastrology.com/ARTICLES/NADI_OR_BHRIGU_READINGS1_24.htm

NADI OR BHRIGU READINGS: REACTIONS 2

K.N.Rao

There was some discussion about Bhrigu or Nadi readings on the Jyotish List two years ago and various reactions of different people who names are not being disclosed are given here for those who are interested in knowing various reactions. Some notable points have been highlighted by me.

K.N.Rao.

11. knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 5:26 pmPast life/ Nadi or Bhrigu reading

I agree with you hundred percent. It is so with ordinary, non-Bhrigu astrologers also thesedays. And there are people who fall prey to their tricks because they want quick or instant solutions. The Bhrigu reader I have referred to has given some remarkable readings about future which is why I respect him. I will write about him later.

Yet, I have seen some of his readings go wrong totally also.

K.N.Rao.12. knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 7:00 pmBhrigu--the good and bad of it: A honest reader

The Bhrigu reader I am referring to is absolutely honest. I have never seen him prescribing any costly remedies and demanding money. He does, when it comes in the reading, speak of doing some shanti which again is not costly. He leaves it to you to do or not and wherever you want to do it.

I have written so often on this list and created enemies here also because I know some of the popular fraudulent methods. An addition made recently is that one astrologer even went to the extent of speaking of Kal Sarpa Yoga in Jaimini astrology .

This Bhrigu reader has no fixed fees. I have seen people giving him from fifty to one thousand rupees. He accepts both with the same grace.

But some of his readings of the future are sensational. I will give one instance later.But I also know that he worships nearly for eight to ten hours a day and does yagnas almost every day. He does Bhrigu prashna also where he casts a horoscope as we do, but interprets in his own way.

I have yet to meet an astrologer or a Bhrigu reader with so much moral excellence as this man. It is because of this that I like him and encourage others to go to him.

But the problem is that he does chain reading. Not covering the entire reading of a life in one sitting. It is staggered. At the end of the reading, it is stated that you will or can come after four months or one year etc.not before.

I have said many times that an astrologer who speaks of CURSES AND SHANTI is a suspect in my view.

Yours sincerely,K.N.Rao.13. knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 8:00 pm

Bhrigu--the good and bad of it

His name is Pandit Nathulal. He lives in Karovi Village in Bhilwara District of Rajasthan. I do not have his phone number though he has one. He speaks mostly about the efficacy of Gayatri Mantra. He and the Chaya Shastri of Ahmadabad have been the only honest Bhrigu readers I have met. Others frightened and fleeced people and their predictions went wrong mostly. I am personally witness to some very spectacular readings about the future of some people done by Nathulalji and have also seen some terrible failures. As in any field, failures are part of the story of anyone’s life.

What will he do with any software when he does not have even a computer and when none in his family (his nephew who is learning astrology and assists him) is computer literate?

For those who live in big cities, visiting him is to go back two centuries in history where feudal rivalries and modern villanies get fused into a chaotic enigma which is modern life mostly now in India.

Now that Dhirubai Ambani is dead, let me reveal that often many people from that famous commercial house of India went to him for readings, like many Gujarati billionaires.

He is always hard pressed for time. He has been kind to me.When I send a word to him through friends, he reserves half a day for me and my friends exclusively. Between me and him is a mutual bond of respect, some unconscious sharing of an indefinable ideal.

K.N.Rao.

14. knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 8:22 pmAn instance/ Nathulalji

Here is one instance of a reading of Nathulalji.

A woman student of ours, very gifted as far as predictive astrological ability is concerned,goes to him often, almost five times a year. She is from Rajasthan and her grandfather was very friendly with Nathulalji. So there is a family bond in this case.

Step by step the reading , done in a staggered way was:

1) Sometime in late 2002 perhaps when she had gone there, in her reading came a warning. ‘SAVE YOUR BROTHER FROM GETTING TRAPPED IN A BAD MARRIAGE”.

2) She did not know that by then her lawyer brother had already promised another lawyer friend of his that he would marry his sister.

3) Back to Delhi, when this woman came to know of the decision of her brother she was shocked and tried to dissuade her brother not to marry that girl.

4) But her brother refused to listen to her and married that girl.

5) It took no time for the family to discover that the girl was half mad.

6) They went to Nathulalji this time with the brother of this woman astrologer who had disbelieved this reading and was suffering now.

7) The reading was keep “quiet for one year otherwise it would be disastrous.”

8) After one year Nathulalji advised them to proceed legally.

9) After six months of efforts in July 2004, the divorce was obtained after a payment of some huge sum.

The precise reading done by Nathulalji was that her brother would get trapped into marrying a mad girl and face some difficult time for two years.

Yours sincerely,K.N.Rao.15 knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 8:53 pmCaution

I have written about Nathulalji earlier also. Reading it, someone from USA visiting India, went to him got some hundrum reading and was thoroughly disappointed.

I must caution you that in a chain reading, it is sometimes only that something spectacular comes out. When life is hundrum why are you expecting something spectacular to happenwhich does not happen in our lives ?

Then there is the limitation of language, the limitation of modernising some words. For instance, he said as early as 1995 that I would produce a panchanga (almanac). It was the Journal of Astrology from 1997. Often in the reading something comes out which he translates as running a hotel. But I have seen those people selling food products.

Yours sincerely,K.N.Rao.

16. knraoThu Dec 9, 2004 8:55 pmAgain caution

Often, the timing given by Nathulalji goes wrong, but the event comes out correct. I cannot explain why it happens.

Yours sincerely,K.N.Rao.

17. knrao

Thu Dec 9, 2004 9:30 pmCaution again 2

The wife of a friend of mine along with him went to Nathulalji once. The reading was “your reading will be done once and you need not come again ever.” In such cases, do not even attempt to go there again.

In one case, a friend was told not to go to him for any reading at all for three years. Everytime he tried to go there, he met with accidents on his way.

Let me stop here today as some people have dropped in.

Yours sincerely,K.N.Rao.

Also more inforamtion is available at :https://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1995/11/1995-11-09.shtml

November 1995

The Science Of Vedic Astrology:

The Vedic Science of Light

Ever since India's seers first observed the planets wandering amongst the stars and astutely deduced their influence upon our lives, astrology has been an inseparable helpmate of Hindu religious practices.

Astrology is the science of fathoming the influence of the sun, moon, planets and stars upon living creatures. It remains an integral part of Hinduism, as old as the religion itself and woven into all practices, Deities and symbols. In this four-page center section we will explore major aspects of this subtle art. Here and on page 14 we will learn about the origins and systems of Vedic astrology, its present-day exponents, its burgeoning popularity in the West, its impact upon traditional Western astrology and how to choose an astrologer. On pages 12 and 13 we'll discuss planetary influences upon the karma and dharma of an individual, how astrology can be best used, the ideal astrologer, what to expect from an astrological reading and how to respond to the advice given.

By Vamadeva Shastri Vedic astrology is widely used in India today by all classes of people, from villagers to government leaders. It is used in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and aspects of it appear in Tibetan astrology. Indian politicians frequently employ astrologers, including the present Prime Minister, P. V. Narasimha Rao. The very founding of the nation of India was done at midnight according to the Vedic rule that actions initiated at midday or midnight help cancel negative planetary influences for the day. The Government of India officially follows the Lahiri Ayanamsha for astrological calculations.

Probably the most important astrologer in modern India for bringing Vedic astrology back out into the open is Dr. B.V. Raman, who is now over eighty and still very active through his many books and his Astrological Magazine, the oldest and largest circulating journal on Vedic astrology. India contains the world's largest school of astrology, the Delhi school of Vedic astrology under my teacher, Sri K.N. Rao, which today has five hundred students and twenty teachers in its two-year program.

There are various prodigies of Vedic astrology as well. S.G. Karve of Bombay, a householder with six children, can determine the birth chart of a person through psychic insight alone and does not require the birth time of the person. He goes into a meditative state and tells the person the planetary positions in the horoscope. There are still astrologers in India who, given the birth time, can cast the entire chart in their head, without recourse to any books, having memorized the planetary tables and rates of motion. The complete process takes a number of hours, however. Many other great astrologers exist, but live and practice in relative obscurity. Much of astrology in India remains an oral tradition, and only a fraction of it has yet to be made available.

There are a number of special systems of Vedic astrology that yield very exact knowledge of a person's life. Some of these require the birth time of a person, others are records of destiny in the possession of the astrologer. Bhrigu Pandits can tell a person his name, his parents' names, his occupation, or where he has come from, along with detailed information about his life, character and destiny. While the Bhrigu Pandits in Hoshiapur (Punjab) are most famous, today a Bhrigu reader, Pandit Nathulal, of Karovi Bhilwara in Rajasthan, also has a very good reputation, not only for past events, which most Bhrigu pandits are accurate about, but about the future as well, which is more difficult to determine.

I myself visited a Surya Samhita astrologer in Bombay a few years ago. He came out with a sheaf of palm leaves for the day. After asking a few questions about the number of brothers and sisters in my family, he quickly came to a palm leaf that agreed with my life and then read out the main events of my life, accurate to the year. The manuscript he read from was in a South Indian script but the words were in Sanskrit, understanding which, I could verify the reading, as he translated the Sanskrit into English. He outlined the rest of my life up to the time of death, gave an overview of my last life and an indication of the result of this life. Then he added three pieces of advice that have proved invaluable for me.

Such experiences are not unusual with Vedic astrology. Nadis are special works giving precise astrological knowledge. They exist mainly in South India, and several works of this nature survive. Dr. B.V. Raman has a version of the Dhruva Nadi which divides the zodiac into 1,800 sections and has a specific indication for the results of the ascendant in each of these sections, which requires a birth time accurate to less than one minute. Once the chart is rectified to the appropriate Nadi amsha, there are additional rules of interpretation that can provide much amazing knowledge. Such phenomena intimate the depth of Vedic astrology and explain its growing worldwide appeal.

Making the Western Transit

Vedic astrology, which has been slowly percolating into the West for many years, is now coming out into the open. It has arrived in two ways, first as part of the interest in yoga, Vedanta and related aspects of Hindu spirituality, second as part of the growing interest in astrology in general. The yoga group includes many people who are not astrologers but who believe in the system because of their contact with the spiritual teachings. The astrology group consists mainly of those interested in Vedic astrology for its astrological value and may otherwise have little knowledge of Hinduism. Naturally, there is an overlap between the two groups, and Vedic astrology often serves to draw people into other aspects of Hindu spirituality.

Vedic astrologers in the West consist of two groups: Westerners who have adopted Vedic astrology, and Vedic astrologers from India who have come to the West. Probably the most noted living in the West is Sri Chakrapani Ullal [see page 10]. He has been giving classes and consultations here for over twenty-five years. He was brought over by H.H. Swami Muktananda to give readings to his American disciples. He was recently noted as one of America's best astrologers in People magazine.

Western books on Vedic astrology have begun appearing as well. First, in 1986, was James Braha's Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer. Second was my own Astrology of the Seers: A Guide to Hindu/Vedic Astrology (1989) and Ronnie Gayle Dreyer's book, Indian Astrology. Others have followed as well. In 1992 the first American International Symposium on Vedic Astrology was held in the United States with over three hundred people attending.

Perhaps most notable of the spiritual teachers from India to the West who have emphasized astrology was Paramahansa Yogananda, who offers several anecdotes about astrology in his book Autobiography of a Yogi. His teacher, Sri Yukteswar, was himself an astrologer. The most important yogic group to emphasize astrology has been the TM movement of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, which has been offering classes in Jyotisha and bringing accomplished astrologers from India for many years.

Deepak Chopra, though now separated from TM, also uses Vedic astrology for his system of mantra meditation. Mata Amritanandamayi recommends that her disciples consult astrologers and have rituals performed to propitiate negative planetary influences, particularly Saturn and Rahu. Many other Hindu teachers do the same, now that Westerners know of Vedic astrology.

Comparing the Eastern and Western Systems

Vedic and Western astrology share a common heritage, as evidenced in part by the similarity of the zodiac signs in each [see illustrations below]. But they now differ in several ways. The Vedic system is more complicated, with many different types of charts and calculations to consider. A complete Vedic astrology printout may have ten or twenty pages just for the data alone.

Early Christianity soon rejected astrology, which was integral to the pagan religions the Christians were struggling against. Astrology was condemned in the 4th century ce by no less a person than Saint Augustine as totally antithetical to the Christian faith. Western astrology, its venerable tradition broken, later received some impetus from Islamic astrologers. But in the necessary compromises with these often hostile theologies, the karmic basis of astrology was lost. In the twentieth century Western astrology reoriented itself in a psychological and humanistic direction. This history makes Western and Vedic astrology profoundly different, far beyond variations in calculations.

Both systems use the same twelve signs of the zodiac: Aries (Mesha), Taurus (Vrishabha), Gemini (Mithuna), Cancer (Kartaka), Leo (Simha), Virgo (Kanya), Libra (Tula), Scorpio (Vrishchika), Sagittarius (Dhanus), Capricorn (Makara), Aquarius (Kumbha) and Pisces (Mina). They describe the signs in similar terms. However, they determine the signs differently and start them from different points. Western astrology is tropical, or reflects a temporal-seasonal model. It relates the beginning of Aries with the point of the vernal equinox. Vedic astrology is sidereal or reflects a spatial-stellar model. It relates the beginning of Aries with certain stars at the beginning of that constellation. Because of the precession of the equinox, which causes the Earth to gradually tilt backwards in its orientation to the heavens, the equinoctial point moves slowly backward in the zodiac.

While the two zodiacs were identical around 300 ce, they have since been slowly diverging. The difference between the two zodiacs is called the ayanamsha. Most Vedic astrologers use the Lahiri ayanamsha which is presently about 24 degrees, and therefore places the equinox in about 6 degrees of Pisces. The shift between the two zodiacs causes the entire chart to move back about 24 degrees from the Western to the Vedic chart. The positions of most planets go back to the previous sign. This naturally results in a very different chart. It can be confusing for those used to their Western chart, particularly for the Sun sign, so emphasized in Western astrology, which is likely to change. "I used to be an Aries, now I'm a Pisces," is a common kind of complaint.

Both Vedic and Western Astrology recognize the seven planets: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, which they describe in similar terms. Vedic astrology also prominently uses the lunar nodes, which it calls Rahu and Ketu. The outer planets of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are not part of classical Vedic astrology. Some Vedic astrologers use them today, though seldom to the extent that Western astrologers do.

Both systems use the twelve houses and interpret them similarly (though with variations). The main difference is calculation. The Vedic system makes the cusp the beginning of the house, while Western astrology makes the cusp the middle of the house. This causes about half the planetary positions in the Vedic chart to move forward to the next house relative to the Western chart.

Both systems recognize the importance of aspects between the planets. However, there is a major difference in how aspects are calculated. Western astrology uses many different aspects calculated by degree. Vedic astrology recognizes only a few different aspects calculated by sign. In Western astrology aspects may be good or bad, but in the Vedic planets are good or bad, not their aspects.

Vedic astrology uses an additional 27-fold division of the zodiac by nakshatras (constellations). Personality traits are read more through the birthstar (nakshatra of the Moon) than by the Sun sign. The birthstar is used for naming a person, for determining proper timing of rituals, and for astrological forecasting. Nakshatra positions of planets are examined in the birth chart as well. The use of nakshatras is very important in Vedic astrology, on par with that of the signs.

Vedic astrology has many different systems of planetary periods called dashas. Most important is Vimshottari Dasha, a 120-year-long cycle of planetary positions based upon the birth nakshatra: but several other systems can be used as well. Up to fifty-four are known. These allow a great accuracy in predicting events in a person's life.

Because Vedic astrology is well known for its predictive accuracy, some people think Vedic astrologers are psychics, but what they see is based upon a logical analysis of the chart. Some people believe that Western astrology is more spiritual and Vedic astrology more mundane because of Vedic astrology's predictive nature, and Western astrology's more psychological approach. Westerners, who have material affluence, like to ask spiritual questions of astrologers. Indians, coming from a poor country and for whom the right career, for example, may mean affluence or poverty, ask more mundane questions. Hindus also have many gurus, temples and ashrams to get answers from about spiritual questions and don't always consult an astrologer to do so. Vedic astrologers can be accurate, too, at predicting events of a spiritual nature, like the sadhana one should follow.

Vedic astrology is here to stay. It is alive and well in the modern world. Like yoga, and more recently Ayurveda, it is likely to become part of the world cultural and spiritual heritage. While modern science is still looking for its unitary field, which many scientists see as consciousness, Vedic astrology already shows us how that field works throughout our destiny and the entire movement of time.

Vamadeva Shastri was trained by Sri K.N. Rao. He was given the name Vamadeva by Avadhut Shastri in India and accepted as a family member. Known in the West as David Frawley, he is a well-known author of many books on Vedic subjects, Jyotish Kovid (from the Indian Council of Astrological Sciences), the director of the American Institute of Vedic Studies, President of the American Council of Vedic Astrology

May the Creator (Brahman), Preserver (Vishnu) and Destroyer (Siva) of the universe along with the Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu, grant me a good morning! Single Shloka Stotra to the Planets

From: njd63Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:26:04 +0000 About Pandit Nathulal

Hello everyone,I read an article written by the revered K.N.Raoji about the Bhrigu reader Pandit Nathulal inRajathan. Does anyone have any experiences to share about Pandit Nathulalji? Please post.Thanks Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out!