answers to some questions related to nadi astrology

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Jai Gurudev,

Dear All,

I'm new member of the group. Thanks to Mr. Rayudu who made me aware

about this group.

I'm making an attempt to answer most of the question from the list of

question posed by Mr. Rayudu in his article. Hope that I'll get

feedback on this from the group, from the people like Mr. Oak & we

can have some healthy deliberations on the same in the interest of

all.

Thks & Regds

Rajas

 

Q & A

 

In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions which

arise on Nadi Jyotish are consolidated here as far as possible at

random:-

What is the real origin of this Nadi Jyotish? – During the days

of `Krutyug' – great sages who could see through past, present &

future did write these nadi granthas.

 

Are they really written by some Sages and only by professional

astrologers? – Yes they are written by the great sages, not by mere

astrologers.

 

Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves

in those times?- did not understand this question.

 

Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to be

taken?- there has to be some scientific reason for the same which is

not known to me, may be some exper nadi reader can answer this

question.

 

In what language they were written originally?- Sanskrit.

 

When were they translated into other languages?- His highness Sri.

Venkoji Maharaja, descendant of Sivaji Maharaja, established the

Maratha rule in Tamilnadu in the year 1676, with Tanjore as their

Head Quarters. The control was taken over by the Britishers in 1798

from the Marathas, when Robert Clive was the Governor of Madras

Presidency.The Marathas during their rules were true patrons of Arts,

Science, Medicine, Vedas, Astrology etc. The great works of ancient

India were all kept in the famous Saraswati Mahal Library at Tanjore

and maintained by them.During the reign of the great king Sarabhoji

Maharaja, the Sanskrit works, including those relating to Naadi

Astrology were translated into old poetic Tamil Language and written

on Palm leaves and kept in Saraswathi Mahal Library. During the same

period, though the whole North India was under the control of

Mohammediyans, the great Marathas managed to preserve all such great

works in their Saraswathi Mahal Library. Thus Naadi Astrology powers

a debut of gratitude to the Great Marathas for its existence today.

 

How many bundles of leaves are available in total?- no idea but I

don't think it is material/relevant.

 

Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different ?-

did not understand the question.

 

Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or something

appear then and there?- my experience & observation says that it is

definitely pre-written & cannot be written then & there.

 

Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadi astrologers?-

it is written in old poetic tamil language which must be written in

Sanskrit sholkas earlier.

 

Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and

birth data from< the thumb impressions?- there seems to be some

science for identifying a bundle/s of leaves which are related to the

thumb impression taken of the person. My observation is that during

the reading of the leaves in the process of identifying the unique

leaf, the nadi leaves which are read, many are having some/most of

the information which matches with the person. For eg: if the person

is married, in most of the leaves, nadi reader will check the name of

the spouse whereas if the person is unmarried, vewry rarely you will

find a nadi with name of the spouse. (this is not after

checking/confirming whether the person is married or unmarried)

 

How the exact names can be told?- exactly, this is something which no

one can deny. All those who says that nadi astrology is fake, cannot

logically justify/explain that how come the name of the persons come

exactly same in the nadi without disclosing to the nadi reader. This

is possible only in 2 cases – one a person who is spiritually

advanced & can see through past/present & future or the other

possibility is of `karna pishachha'.

 

What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the

index leaves from his library from thumb impression?- this is

something to be learned/known from a good nadi reader who is willing

to share this knowledge for the sake of research.

 

How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines was

written without any normal language form of script ?- no idea what is

this.

 

How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could

not be understood?- it is old/ancient form of tamil language hence

cannot be understood even by a tamil person.

 

Why do the readers give the future readings from the date of

consultation only at some intervals of age only?- the purpose of

writing the future is to give some direction & therefore is written

in interval of 2/3 years. I understand that there are some special

chapter/kandam on current disha-bhukti which gives current period in

more detail but I've not personally experienced this. I understand

that there are also some sukshma nadi grantha which are more detail

but needs to be checked/experienced.

 

Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wise

generally?- the purpose of having brief past/present mentioned in the

leaf is only to identify the nadi. Once the nadi is identified, then

the future is only important & not the past.

 

How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes?- the nadi

grantha is not bound to Indian territory. If a person is destined to

know his future through the nadi, he will know it whether he

leaves/born in India or abroad. I personally know one case of a

foreigner whose all past & correct names came in his nadi.

 

 

What is the material and sole of the leaf and and how they have

preserved so

long?- they use some preservative oils to preserve the same.

 

Are they rewritten at different intervals of time?- yes, they were

translated in tamil from original Sanskrit & then we do not know how

many duplication/copies of the same were made.

 

How are they trained and how long? – I understand there are

scientific procedure/method to become a nadi reader.

 

How do they link up the index leaf with the actual leaf of general

Kandam and other chapters of?-unique name of the unique fingerprint

is mentioned on the leaf which form a basis to link it with other

chapter/kandam leaves.

 

How can some readers say that such and such person is going to

consult on that day? – it is written in the nadi leaves, nadi reader

are just mediater/interpreatator.

 

Do the readings for the same person from different Nadis match

exactly? – I've observed experience of some people who have checked

at different centres & the reading is mostly matched. I wish to check

my own readings at as much centres as possible to have a first hand

experience.

 

Do the readings for the same person from the same nadi reader from

the same nadi taken at different interval of time say a year later

match exactly? – need to be researched.

 

Are you really to be destined to consult Nadi?- if so then only you

will reach there & at the destined time only.

 

Are the past readings given always perfectly correct ? – I've

observed that those who complain that there future is not coming

correct, have agreed that there past was correct.

 

How far the future reading goes perfectly right upto what time to

nearby future or to long future also? I've seen cases in which the

future predictions have come ture. To quote one beautiful example –

one lady when went for nadi reading was pregnant, delivery date was

after 3 weeks. Nadi said that she will deliver the next day which no

one elieved as she herself was not having any such signs, but it did

happen that next day she had pregnancy pains, was hospitalized &

delivered a baby, now will you say it as a coincidence?????

 

Do the reader himself involved in giving correct readings, includes

his training

and experience?-yes.

Why do the remedial measures given in Shanti Kanda mostly refer to the

Gods/Goddess /Temples in Tamilnadu?- I want to clarify this as it is

experienced/observed by many people but my own experience differs

according to which the temples to be visited are not restricted /

sometimes none of them is in tamilnadu. We need to further study that

if the observation that the temples are from tamilnadu is applying to

all/most of the cases checked at particular centre/s then we need to

assess the reliability/authenticity of that centre.

 

Why do they prescribe the alms to be given to the nadi reader and is

it really

written on the leaves ?- I believe that if it is at aunticate centre,

then it is as written in the leaves. I know some cases in which it

was mentioned that nadi reader should not charge anything to the

person, or the expenses of the temple visits/diksha kand to be borned

by the nadi reader. If the nadi reader is business minded or is

speaking on his own, why will he should say like this in some cases?

 

Are they actually reading what was written on the leaves ?- yes if

the nadi reader is authenticate.

 

Why are some of them in some form of trance with half closed eyes as

if they are

not reading it from the leaves at all?- no idea, I've not so far

experienced this.

 

Why don't nadi readers give your leaf to you, if it really belongs to

y u?- no idea.

 

Can you read what is written there?- yes but u cannot understand

unless you know that language.

 

Will they show it you?-yes.

 

How many readings are there on each leaf?- one or sometimes 2.

 

How many index bundles are normally to be scanned to arrive at your

data?- it depends on case to case – varying from one to 4.

 

How many leaves are there in each bundle?- no idea but do not think

it is relevant.

 

Do they read without thumb impression, if the chart is given ?- no

idea but I suppose they are trained to check based on the thum

impression only.

 

Are the previous life readings given in different Nadis for the same

person

would be the same? – should be the same, needs to be researched.

Personally, I've checked one person's nadi from agastya & vasistha –

both were matching.

 

How far the remedial measures given work?- yes this is the million

dollar question which really needs to be observed/researched. We

really need to come together to find out answer to this question as

if we can do it, it will be very useful to thw whole mankind & will

give totally new dimention to the medicine & helath of the people.

 

Why do every nadi reader prescribe shanti definitely for every person

whenever

consulted?- very logical question. But I personally believe that

since we are still born on the earth in the kaliyug – it is the sign

that we are carrying some inpurities/past karmas with us which brings

sufferings to us in our life hence the shanty is required to burn

those past karmas if we want to have some positive change in our

lifes & if we do not want to burn those karmas through the sufferings.

 

Why do the chart given by them differ from the one prepared by you in

computers? – my personal experience is that the computer chart

matches with the one given in the nadi; if it is not matching then

there is a possibility that the nadi leaf is not urs or it may be

fake??? Can't say…

 

Is their ephemeris from Vakya Siddhanta as told different from others

and how

far is it correct?- no idea on this.

 

Why do they tell the firth date, month and year in Tamil calendar and

then

correlate it Christian calendar, is it because the records were in

Tamil ?-yes.

 

If the records were in Sanskrit or Telugu language, how are the birth

data found in which calendar?- did not understand the question.

 

Are they following only the transits of major planets of Jupiter

Saturn etc?- no I don't think so.

 

Why do they give readings of future events only age wise, not at a

particular

calendar date, month and year ?- need to see if nadi readers can give

explanation to this.

 

Do they know astrology at all?- nadi readers are not eseentially be

astrologers, though if they do have astrological background, it will

help them in better interpreatation.

 

Do they tell the exact names of twins , if the thumbprints are

given ? – no personal experience but planning to check this out.

 

Do they give the readings without the presence of the person

consulting and with the date presented by some person?- yes.

 

Do they give the reading by post if the required data is given and

fees sent? – yes.

 

How far they take the responsibility if the future readings given by

them do not

come true and what excuse do they give in such cases ?- I don'nt

think that if future doesn't turn out to be what is mentioned, nadi

readers are responsible for the same. Mr. Oak in his book has very

rightly given the logical explanation to this question – why past is

right but future goes wrong.

 

Is there cheating by them?- after going thru the experiences in the

forum, it seems that there are many fake nadi readers, but then it is

a kaliyug with 75% wrong & 25% the truth, so this is very natural &

this is true in all other aspects of life, isn't it??? If we find a

fake doctor we will not say that whole medicine is fake, so the same

applies to astrology & also to the nadi grantha/reader.

 

Are there any real astrological principles involved in those Nadis? –

yes but I believe that it is something beyonf the astrology. For eg:

no branch of astrology can help you to predict exact names of the

person & his family. This is something which comes from divine

knowledge only.

 

Why do they charge exorbitantly which many poor people cannot afford?-

if they are charging abnormally high fees, it is definitely wrong &

which can be one criterial to differentiate the right ones with the

wrong ones. Since it is bread & butter for the nadi readers, it is

perfectly in order to charge a normal fee according to the

period/inflation, etc in order to ensure that he can have an average

family life.

 

Do poor people are distend to consult them?- a noble nadi reader

should consult free to a poor people. But again, you will not find

many people who are very very poor – going to nadi reader because I

don't think that they are/will be destined for the same. & those who

are destined, by some way or the other they will get it done even if

the fees are beyond their capcity to bear.

 

Is it worth spending lot of money in finding out the tricks of this

nadi

astrology? – don't we spend lot of money on many other things whch

may/does go waste. If we make cost benefit analysis, it is definitely

worth giving a try. One of the advantage of forum ike this or

research will be to arrive at the right/good quality centres I all

areas & make people educated so that they will end up reaching to the

right centre & will not get cheated & lose faith on the nadi.

 

Is it possible to do any research at all in this filed? – yes. There

is already research made by people like Mr. Oak, late shantaram

Athavle, etc. But still we need to have more coordinated/concrete &

scientific research.

 

Are there any Nadis with some Swamijis or in some Ashram or with some

other

persons who are not using it for professional commercial purposes and

give

readings when consulted?- need to be reasearched.

 

Are there any Nadis published fully, if so in what language?-

difficult to trace this. But it seems that it is available either in

tamil or in Sanskrit.

 

Why do some astrologers, who have got nadi Grantha not publish it

completely in a book form?- should be explored but publishing the

same will not be cost effective & I do not think that it is destined

to be that way.

 

Are there other aspects natural calamities, political set ups wars,

countries etc written also nadi granthas other than about persons and

if so why don't they publish it before hand?- yes some of the nadi

grantha do talk about such events, for eg: kaka bhujandar nadi does

have world major events mentioned.we need to explore if we can get it

known to the world but even if we do so, I don't think that we can

stop change the events at national/world level as they are destined

to happen at the given time.

 

Are these Nadis written restricted to certain regions only, if so

within how many kilometers /miles and within what longitudes and

latitudes?- no do not have any geographical limits.

 

Is there any law, which is given in the Nadis to extend it other

persons and other regions?- it is not bound to any region.

 

How can a few bundles of leaves ,however large they re cover all life

patterns of all persons? – it is not covering all persons. It is

written only for the destined people.

 

What the addresses of all the nadi readers?- Mr. Oak has taken great

effort in publishing the same in his book which may be listed with

updation on our group.

 

Are there any persons who are really doing any genuine serious

research to find out the secrets of the nadi Jyotish if so what are

their addresses and what are their findings so far, have they

published their research anywhere?- need to be explored & such people

need to be bring together to have a consolidated synergetic effort in

this field for better & faster output.

 

Are there any persons who are exchanging their experience and

research with each in this field and if so what are their addresses?-

needs to be explored.

 

Are there any persons who had consulted all Nadis about them

personalities and published their readings comparing and verifying

the results if so what are their addresses?- Late Shantaram Athavle

has done significant research on this & has published a book – `nadi

grantha' in marathi language.

 

Why can't the nadi readers tell the exact names of the wife/husband

before marriage, but can tell the e names of after marriage?- I think

I know one case in which the name of the spouse was told before

marriage & it did turn out to be the same in future, though more

observation need to be done in this area.

 

Why can't they tell the names of the children when they can tell your

name, your wife/husband name and names of parents?- need to explore

with the nadi readers.

 

Is there any danger or calamity or curse or those who possess these

nadi granthas and to their families when they practice it?- they will

get problems if they do not practice it religiously & use it to cheat

people/ to have abnormal gains.

 

How did Sage Satyacharya, supposed to be inventor of nadi amshas of

150 write the general life patterns for each nadi amsha and to what

percentage they match with a person's life pattern, if the person

birth amsha falls in one of the nadi amshas or is it that the person

should select the nearest nadi amsha pattern which matches with most

of his life events and if it is to be chosen for a newly born baby

who has not much specific events to check then how to fix up the nadi

amsha?- no knowledge in this area need to explore it.

 

Is there any method, if at all any, to draw the nadi amsha chart just

as other Vargas (divisional) charts and if so how to prepare such a

nadi chart and how to use it vis-à-vis rasi and other Vargas charts

(though it is not mostly known how to use the known Vargas charts

themselves specifically for a particular event in life!) no knowledge

in this area need to explore it.

 

Which are the mantra Nadis , the tantra Nadis, prasna Nadis etc and

what are the differences and how do they operate? – need to be

explored. I suppose mantra nadi is the normal one. Prasna nadi –

there are some available which give answers to ur questions which

needs to be explored.

 

Where are we now in our research on nadi Jyotish in finding out the

secrets, when they have existing from so many years?- I think now

where still to go a long way.

 

Are there any specific astrological principles used in nadi Jyotish

literature other than normal principles enunciated in standard

ancient text books by sage Parasara, Jaimini,Varahamihira,

Mantreswara, Vidyanatha, Kalidasa, Venkatesdaivagna, Bhaskara

Jyotish, Bhruhatjataka, Phaladeepika , Jatakaparijata, Uttara

Kalamithra, Sarvartha Chinthamani, Bhavadeepika, Sanketanidhi,

Saravali etc ?- I don't think the sages have used any principles for

this writing as thry do not need to do so as everything is like an

open book for them though if one try to correlate the same with the

astrological priniciples, it should be in line with the same.

 

Do the nadi readers allow to record all the questions they ask as

they proceed

with the index leaves and is there any person who got such recorded

data in his personal case and if what is his address?- no idea, but I

don't think a nadi reader will object to this, unless on one ground

that is a time dimension, but again, in my personal case, nadi reader

allowed me to do video shooting of the event, so if required we can

take complete event on a record for analysis.

 

How can the Nadi Reader tell that your parents are alive when y you

consult him when they are alive and tell that they are dead when you

consult him after their death and can such a thing can be told from

applying normal astrological principles?- nadi readers are just

reading what is written on the leaves. We need to explore such live

cases to verify the findings on this matter.. it is difficult to

answer this using normal astrological principles.

 

Similarly how can h e tell the exact number of brothers and sisters

and at age you were married etc and can these can be told so

precisely from any normal astrological rules?- again, it can be told

based on traditional astrology but needs that much expertise, but in

no case, normal astrology can help u to predict the names.

 

Will all the Nadis give the e life span for a person or different

life spans, when the names and chart and other past details match

exactly in all Nadis ?- to be explored.

 

Why some Nadis mention certain age as " Gandam " (danger to life) and

if it is surpassed the person would live upto certain other age ?-

this happens/applies in traditional astrology as well that certain

transtitor period is threatening to one's life.

 

Has anybody found any clues to give exact predictions from the text

books available in the market on nadi Jyotish presently such

as " Bhrugu Nandi Nadi " by Shri R.G.Rao, Devakeralam (Chandrakala

Nadi )3 vols by Shri Late R.Santhanam commentary on " Saptarishi Nadi "

by Shri J.H.Bhasin, " Transits of planets on they birth chart " lesson

of nadi are the essence of astrology " by Shri R.G.Rao, " Kashyapa

Hora - essesnce of nadi astrology " by Shri R.G.Rao, " Nadi jyothisha

or the Stellar system of astrology " (out of print) by Shri Late

R.Gopalakrishna Rao (Pen name meena) " Satya jatakam (basis of

Dhruvanadi) Sage Satyacharya, " Practical Stellar Astrology (Based on

Nadi Principles) by Shri Late NV Raghavachari (Pen name Meena

II), " Nadi system of Prediction (Stellar-theory) by Shri Rattan

Lal , " Doctrines of Suka Nadi Retold - mysteries of nadi system of

astrology unfurled " by Shri Late R.Santhanam, " Profession from the

position of planets -in rare nadi granthas by Shri RG Ro, " Vedic

Astrology and career " by Shri V.Raghuraman, " Your Destiny in thumb "

by Shri R.G.Rao " Bhrigu Sutram Sage Bhrigu, " Bhrugu Prashna Nadi " by

Shri R.G.Rao, General life pattern from Dhruva Nadi and Nandi Nadi

published for some Nadi Amshas in the " Astrological Magazine " ,

several articles published on Nadi Astrology in the Astrological

Magazines " other magazines and new papers etc etc? – I've not read

these books but sure that predictions given in these books or based

on these books will not match with the one given in the leaves. These

books can have general principles, some knowledge, that's it. Expert

astrologer can reach somewhere ased on this in predictions, but that

he can do in other forms of astrology as well, isn't it?

 

Has anybody able to correlate the standard astrological principles

with the nadi astrology predictions authentically?- no idea, but

personally will like to see it done.

 

Can exact birth time be told by Nadi Readers? – no idea but the

expert nadi reader should be in a postion to do so.

 

Whether the Nadi reader and the translator add anything on their own

while reading and explaining? –should be possible but the ideal nadi

reader should work only as a mediator/interpretor.