Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, You are surprising but i am shoked , but i dont think as per my knowldge i am able to give comment on this. Dont give much important to this type of self maid authority, and follow only which is right and as per KP which we know. regards Kanak Bosmia sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear members, one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? thanks -sunil gondhalekar Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sunil Ji According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an event in a natal chart. In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical chart. Regards MK Viswanath sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear members, one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? thanks -sunil gondhalekar Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sir, Hello In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we are using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde star/sub. Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. Regards Dr Sheetal On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > event in a natal chart. > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > chart. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40>> wrote: > dear members, > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand by your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of event) they do not give result. or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal chart does not give result. regards Kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Sir, Hello In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we are using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde star/sub. Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. Regards Dr Sheetal On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > event in a natal chart. > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > chart. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40>> wrote: > dear members, > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Another concept advocated by Mr Sambhugam in Astrosecrets Part-1 is that retro gate planet gives result of the houses which are 12 to the house. If Mars is in 5th, it will give result to 6th as retrogate. As 5th is the 12th to 6. I have not yet checked his theory. Any one applied his theory may comment. Regards Suprakash l [l ] On Behalf Of Sheetal Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:41 PM l Re: [l] retrograde planet Dear Sir, Hello In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we are using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde star/sub. Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. Regards Dr Sheetal On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > event in a natal chart. > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > chart. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40>> wrote: > dear members, > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Suprakash ji, I discuss this theiry some time back in kp system group, and get mixed reply, after that i never use it. regards Kanak Bosmia Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Another concept advocated by Mr Sambhugam in Astrosecrets Part-1 is that retro gate planet gives result of the houses which are 12 to the house. If Mars is in 5th, it will give result to 6th as retrogate. As 5th is the 12th to 6. I have not yet checked his theory. Any one applied his theory may comment. Regards Suprakash l [l ] On Behalf Of Sheetal Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:41 PM l Re: [l] retrograde planet Dear Sir, Hello In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we are using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde star/sub. Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. Regards Dr Sheetal On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > event in a natal chart. > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > chart. > > Regards > MK Viswanath > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40>> wrote: > dear members, > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is retrograde. > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > thanks > -sunil gondhalekar > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > TV. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Kanakji Hello There is no special rule of retrograde planet in 4step gochar as per my knowledge. After selecting DBA for any particular incidence, the transit of DBA lords is seen as follows for Natal as well as Horary both.Transit should agree with DBA otherwise incidence may not take place .. Fast moving planet's transit through stars of planets, and slow moving planet's transit thruough sub of planet, and this star and sub should be the strong significator for the incidence.at first 2steps, and should not be retrograde. More details can be given by Gondhalekar sir correctly. Regards Dr Sheetal On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand by > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > event) they do not give result. > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal chart > does not give result. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Hello > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > are > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > star/sub. > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > event in a natal chart. > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > chart. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40>> wrote: > > dear members, > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > retrograde. > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > TV. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) Sheetal On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand by > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > event) they do not give result. > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal chart > does not give result. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Sir, > T > Hello > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > are > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > star/sub. > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > event in a natal chart. > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > chart. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40>> wrote: > > dear members, > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > retrograde. > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > TV. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, Thanks for clearifiction, I am waiting for Sunil ji's commnet on thi subject. regards kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) Sheetal On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand by > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > event) they do not give result. > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal chart > does not give result. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Sir, > T > Hello > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > are > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > star/sub. > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > event in a natal chart. > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > chart. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40>> wrote: > > dear members, > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > retrograde. > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > TV. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear this point, what is exact rule? 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart or 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? regards Kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) Sheetal On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand by > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > event) they do not give result. > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal chart > does not give result. > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Sir, > T > Hello > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > are > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > star/sub. > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > event in a natal chart. > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > chart. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanath > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40>> wrote: > > dear members, > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > retrograde. > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one of > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > thanks > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > TV. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Kanakji Hello I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I will explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary chart! .. But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so that natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in transit also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of event. And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are concerned with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > this point, what is exact rule? > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > or > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand > by > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > > event) they do not give result. > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > chart > > does not give result. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > T > > Hello > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > > are > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > star/sub. > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > > chart. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40>> wrote: > > > dear members, > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > retrograde. > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one > of > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > > > TV. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in retrograde montion.(in transit). or DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event which are retrograde in natal chart regards kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji Hello I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I will explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary chart! .. But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so that natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in transit also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of event. And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are concerned with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > this point, what is exact rule? > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > or > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand > by > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > > event) they do not give result. > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > chart > > does not give result. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > T > > Hello > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > > are > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > star/sub. > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > > chart. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40>> wrote: > > > dear members, > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > retrograde. > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one > of > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > > > TV. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Kanakji We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in natal chart. I am talking about gochar/transit only. During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a planet in retrograde motion. (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star in case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any planet.) Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in > retrograde montion.(in transit). > or > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > regards > kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Hello > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I will > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary > chart! > . > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > that > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in transit > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of event. > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are concerned > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > > this point, what is exact rule? > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > or > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > Sheetal > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand > > by > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day > of > > > event) they do not give result. > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > > chart > > > does not give result. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > T > > > Hello > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only > we > > > are > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > star/sub. > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny > an > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > typical > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > dear members, > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of > moon > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > retrograde. > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that > one > > of > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > thanks > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > > > > > TV. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, Yes we are talking same: During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a planet in retrograde motion. BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR GOCHAR? FOE EXMPLE: PLANET A IS DASA LORD. AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? i want only clearifiction of this point. regard kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in natal chart. I am talking about gochar/transit only. During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a planet in retrograde motion. (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star in case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any planet.) Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in > retrograde montion.(in transit). > or > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > regards > kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Hello > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I will > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary > chart! > . > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > that > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in transit > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of event. > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are concerned > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > > this point, what is exact rule? > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > or > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > Sheetal > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand > > by > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day > of > > > event) they do not give result. > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > > chart > > > does not give result. > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > T > > > Hello > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only > we > > > are > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > star/sub. > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny > an > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > typical > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > dear members, > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of > moon > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > retrograde. > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that > one > > of > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > thanks > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > > > > > TV. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Yes we are talking same: > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > GOCHAR? > FOE EXMPLE: > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE REJECT > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > i want only clearifiction of this point. > regard > kanak Bosmia > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in > natal chart. > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star > in > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any planet.) > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > or > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > Hello > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I > will > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary > > chart! > > . > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > > that > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > transit > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > event. > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > concerned > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > or > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars > and > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > understand > > > by > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day > > of > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > > > chart > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > T > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > Only > > we > > > > are > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > deny > > an > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > typical > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > dear members, > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of > > moon > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > retrograde. > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that > > one > > > of > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 I want to hear same from Sunil ji. Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Yes we are talking same: > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > GOCHAR? > FOE EXMPLE: > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE REJECT > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > i want only clearifiction of this point. > regard > kanak Bosmia > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in > natal chart. > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star > in > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any planet.) > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > or > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > Hello > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I > will > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary > > chart! > > . > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > > that > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > transit > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > event. > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > concerned > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > or > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars > and > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > understand > > > by > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day > > of > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > > > chart > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > T > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > Only > > we > > > > are > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > deny > > an > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > typical > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > dear members, > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of > > moon > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > retrograde. > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that > > one > > > of > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, in transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, if sunil ji him self gide it is good. regards kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > Yes we are talking same: > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > GOCHAR? > FOE EXMPLE: > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE REJECT > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > i want only clearifiction of this point. > regard > kanak Bosmia > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in > natal chart. > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > planet in retrograde motion. > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star > in > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any planet.) > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > or > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > Hello > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I > will > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary > > chart! > > . > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > > that > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > transit > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > event. > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > concerned > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > or > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > regards > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars > and > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > understand > > > by > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day > > of > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > > > chart > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > T > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > Only > > we > > > > are > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > deny > > an > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > typical > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > dear members, > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of > > moon > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > retrograde. > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that > > one > > > of > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > thanks > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear All, As per KP taught in Hyderabad: The retrogade planets have not been given any special significance in the natal chart. In case of horary, at the time of judgement, if a planet among the ruling planets is retrogade it is removed from consideration. While determining timing of events either by natal or by horary, at the time of judgement (i) if both the sub-lord and its star lord are retrogade at the event will not take place (ii) if the sub-lord is retrogade the question has to be revisted (iii) if the star lord is retrogade, then the event is promised once the star lord become forward again. There is a difference of opinion in (iii). Some hold that as soon as the star lord become forward the evnet will take place; others opine that the star lord will have to reach the position at which it became retrogade in its forward motion. Some teachers also state that the retro rule do not seem to be universally applicable. I have seen people with three planets retrogade in natal chart doing extremely well in life. Of course as per classical astrology, retrogade planets when alone in a rasi are as powerful as the planet in exaltation. I will post some examples later. With regards Arunachalam. On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 Kanak Bosmia wrote : >Dear Sheetal ji, > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in >horary chart? recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to >consider retro planet, in transit checking in natal chart.can you >say somthing on this subject, > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > regards > kanak Bosmia > >Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > >Sheetal > >On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Yes we are talking same: > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in >star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL >CHART OR > > GOCHAR? > > FOE EXMPLE: > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART >OR WE REJECT > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > regard > > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> >wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet >and star in > > natal chart. > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in >star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving >planet and star > > in > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for >any planet.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia ><kanakbosmia%40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in >my writing. > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time >of event in > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > or > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time >of event > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > regards > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my >statement so I > > will > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct >me too. > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as >well as horary > > > chart! > > > . > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then >we check > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will >happen. > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords >(depending upon slow > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar >star/ sub so > > > that > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st >2steps in > > transit > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the >time of > > event. > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA >lord is > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we >are > > concerned > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal >chart.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia ><kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, >please clear > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal >chart > > > > or > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of >event? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So >the stars > > and > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they >should not be > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia ><kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. >what i > > understand > > > > by > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro >star/sub( on the day > > > of > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is >retro in natal > > > > chart > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > T > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the >results. > > Only > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through >retrograde > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it >may delay.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair ><astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde >planet cannot > > deny > > > an > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes >gives result. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped >with any > > > typical > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka ><sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my >magazine. > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that >current dasa of > > > moon > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and >venus is > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying >he said that > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about >this. > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to >natal? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Kanakji Hello Thanks for informing this to me, as I don't know this recent development. Whatever I know regarding 4step is because of Mr Sunilji only and I consider him as my Guruji in this respect. So if he says this then there is no question of not agreeing to it. But since he took our workshops I am following this rule only and thats why I wrote confidently.I will check my cases which I solved in past( presently record is not with me), and where I was wrong, was this a reason for that or not!. You wrote that, u know recently he doesn't advice to take retrograde transit in natal chart. Do you have any article/ example where he wrote regarding this changed rule? Plz send it to me also or give reference.I will try to revise my knowledge.As I don't have his recent magazines since I was out of India. Thanks once again. Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? > recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, in > transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > regards > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > > Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Yes we are talking same: > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > > GOCHAR? > > FOE EXMPLE: > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE > REJECT > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > regard > > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in > > natal chart. > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star > > in > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any > planet.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > in > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > or > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > regards > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I > > will > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as > horary > > > chart! > > > . > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon > slow > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > > > that > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > > transit > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > > event. > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > > concerned > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please > clear > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > > or > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars > > and > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > > understand > > > > by > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the > day > > > of > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in > natal > > > > chart > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > T > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > > Only > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair < > astrologervishy_nair <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > > deny > > > an > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > > typical > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa > of > > > moon > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said > that > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Arunahclam ji, thanks for information. Question is about 4 step, and transit, Personaly i do not follow Retro planet theory, and never consider retro planet in horary or natal in my prectice.even not in RP. regards Kanak Bosmia Arunachalam Jayaraman <aruncccm wrote: Dear All, As per KP taught in Hyderabad: The retrogade planets have not been given any special significance in the natal chart. In case of horary, at the time of judgement, if a planet among the ruling planets is retrogade it is removed from consideration. While determining timing of events either by natal or by horary, at the time of judgement (i) if both the sub-lord and its star lord are retrogade at the event will not take place (ii) if the sub-lord is retrogade the question has to be revisted (iii) if the star lord is retrogade, then the event is promised once the star lord become forward again. There is a difference of opinion in (iii). Some hold that as soon as the star lord become forward the evnet will take place; others opine that the star lord will have to reach the position at which it became retrogade in its forward motion. Some teachers also state that the retro rule do not seem to be universally applicable. I have seen people with three planets retrogade in natal chart doing extremely well in life. Of course as per classical astrology, retrogade planets when alone in a rasi are as powerful as the planet in exaltation. I will post some examples later. With regards Arunachalam. On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 Kanak Bosmia wrote : >Dear Sheetal ji, > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in >horary chart? recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to >consider retro planet, in transit checking in natal chart.can you >say somthing on this subject, > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > regards > kanak Bosmia > >Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > >Sheetal > >On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Yes we are talking same: > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in >star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL >CHART OR > > GOCHAR? > > FOE EXMPLE: > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART >OR WE REJECT > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > regard > > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> >wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet >and star in > > natal chart. > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in >star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving >planet and star > > in > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for >any planet.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia ><kanakbosmia%40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in >my writing. > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time >of event in > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > or > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time >of event > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > regards > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my >statement so I > > will > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct >me too. > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as >well as horary > > > chart! > > > . > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then >we check > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will >happen. > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords >(depending upon slow > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar >star/ sub so > > > that > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st >2steps in > > transit > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the >time of > > event. > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA >lord is > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we >are > > concerned > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal >chart.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia ><kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, >please clear > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal >chart > > > > or > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of >event? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So >the stars > > and > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they >should not be > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia ><kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. >what i > > understand > > > > by > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro >star/sub( on the day > > > of > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is >retro in natal > > > > chart > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> ><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > T > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the >results. > > Only > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through >retrograde > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it >may delay.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair ><astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde >planet cannot > > deny > > > an > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes >gives result. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped >with any > > > typical > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka ><sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my >magazine. > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that >current dasa of > > > moon > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and >venus is > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying >he said that > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about >this. > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to >natal? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Sheetal ji, I was informed by one of follower of 4 step, But it is not worthy to come on any conclusion befor Sunil ji him slef say anything. regards Kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji Hello Thanks for informing this to me, as I don't know this recent development. Whatever I know regarding 4step is because of Mr Sunilji only and I consider him as my Guruji in this respect. So if he says this then there is no question of not agreeing to it. But since he took our workshops I am following this rule only and thats why I wrote confidently.I will check my cases which I solved in past( presently record is not with me), and where I was wrong, was this a reason for that or not!. You wrote that, u know recently he doesn't advice to take retrograde transit in natal chart. Do you have any article/ example where he wrote regarding this changed rule? Plz send it to me also or give reference.I will try to revise my knowledge.As I don't have his recent magazines since I was out of India. Thanks once again. Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? > recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, in > transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > regards > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > > Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Yes we are talking same: > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > > GOCHAR? > > FOE EXMPLE: > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE > REJECT > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > regard > > kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Kanakji > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star in > > natal chart. > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of a > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and star > > in > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any > planet.) > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > in > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > or > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > regards > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I > > will > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as > horary > > > chart! > > > . > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon > slow > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so > > > that > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > > transit > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > > event. > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > > concerned > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please > clear > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > > or > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars > > and > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > > understand > > > > by > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the > day > > > of > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in > natal > > > > chart > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > T > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > > Only > > > we > > > > > are > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair < > astrologervishy_nair <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > > deny > > > an > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > > typical > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa > of > > > moon > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said > that > > > one > > > > of > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dear Kanakji Hello I always followed k p rules what Jayaramanji said, but now trying what Sunil sir told in 4step, as there is not much difference.I am a student of kp and want to follow method which gives +ve results thats all.As I am not expert and don't get 100%correct answers. I think 4step is as the organized form of kp and nothing else.I don't know why it is differentiated from k p. and so much of discussion on 4step only.It may be because of lack of my knowledge of kp astrology.Every body tries different rules from kp as you also don't consider retrograde status anywhere which is different from traditional kp rules, because you must have some base for that. So its good all are doing research. Whosoever informed you regarding the changed rule of 4step, must have given some reference, I just want to know the reference for my benefit as I am following old rules. So it will be so kind of you if you tell me the reference. Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/2/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > I was informed by one of follower of 4 step, But it is not worthy to come > on any conclusion befor Sunil ji him slef say anything. > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Hello > > Thanks for informing this to me, as I don't know this recent development. > Whatever I know regarding 4step is because of Mr Sunilji only and I > consider > him as my Guruji in this respect. So if he says this then there is no > question of not agreeing to it. But since he took our workshops I am > following this rule only and thats why I wrote confidently.I will check my > cases which I solved in past( presently record is not with me), and where > I > was wrong, was this a reason for that or not!. > > You wrote that, u know recently he doesn't advice to take retrograde > transit > in natal chart. Do you have any article/ example where he wrote regarding > this changed rule? Plz send it to me also or give reference.I will try to > revise my knowledge.As I don't have his recent magazines since I was out > of > India. > > Thanks once again. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? > > recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, > in > > transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, > > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > > > > Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > Yes we are talking same: > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > > > GOCHAR? > > > FOE EXMPLE: > > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE > > REJECT > > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > > regard > > > kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star > in > > > natal chart. > > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and > star > > > in > > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any > > planet.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my > writing. > > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > in > > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > > or > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so > I > > > will > > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as > > horary > > > > chart! > > > > . > > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we > check > > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon > > slow > > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub > so > > > > that > > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > > > transit > > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > > > event. > > > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > > > concerned > > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > 40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please > > clear > > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > > > or > > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the > stars > > > and > > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40> > > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > > > understand > > > > > by > > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in > > natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > T > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > > > Only > > > > we > > > > > > are > > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through > retrograde > > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may > delay.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair < > > astrologervishy_nair <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in><astrologervishy_nair%40. > co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > > > deny > > > > an > > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > > > typical > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka<sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa > > of > > > > moon > > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said > > that > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 dear members, regarding retrograde planet i dont consider it in natal as well as horary but i consider retrograde planets effects in considering transit of DBA swami.for this i consider slow/fast moving planets. if DBA is fast moving(sun,mars,mer,and venus)planet then i consider his starlord and it should not be in star of retrograde planet.if DBA is slow moving planet(jup,sat,rahu,ketu) then i consider its sub and it should not be in star of retrograde planet.this is simple rule i follow for transit and its gives favaurable results. this is my clarification thanks -sunil gondhalekar Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji Hello I always followed k p rules what Jayaramanji said, but now trying what Sunil sir told in 4step, as there is not much difference.I am a student of kp and want to follow method which gives +ve results thats all.As I am not expert and don't get 100%correct answers. I think 4step is as the organized form of kp and nothing else.I don't know why it is differentiated from k p. and so much of discussion on 4step only.It may be because of lack of my knowledge of kp astrology.Every body tries different rules from kp as you also don't consider retrograde status anywhere which is different from traditional kp rules, because you must have some base for that. So its good all are doing research. Whosoever informed you regarding the changed rule of 4step, must have given some reference, I just want to know the reference for my benefit as I am following old rules. So it will be so kind of you if you tell me the reference. Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/2/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > I was informed by one of follower of 4 step, But it is not worthy to come > on any conclusion befor Sunil ji him slef say anything. > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Hello > > Thanks for informing this to me, as I don't know this recent development. > Whatever I know regarding 4step is because of Mr Sunilji only and I > consider > him as my Guruji in this respect. So if he says this then there is no > question of not agreeing to it. But since he took our workshops I am > following this rule only and thats why I wrote confidently.I will check my > cases which I solved in past( presently record is not with me), and where > I > was wrong, was this a reason for that or not!. > > You wrote that, u know recently he doesn't advice to take retrograde > transit > in natal chart. Do you have any article/ example where he wrote regarding > this changed rule? Plz send it to me also or give reference.I will try to > revise my knowledge.As I don't have his recent magazines since I was out > of > India. > > Thanks once again. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? > > recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, > in > > transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, > > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > > > > Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > Yes we are talking same: > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > > > GOCHAR? > > > FOE EXMPLE: > > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE > > REJECT > > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > > regard > > > kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star > in > > > natal chart. > > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and > star > > > in > > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any > > planet.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my > writing. > > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > in > > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > > or > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so > I > > > will > > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as > > horary > > > > chart! > > > > . > > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we > check > > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon > > slow > > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub > so > > > > that > > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > > > transit > > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > > > event. > > > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > > > concerned > > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > 40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please > > clear > > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > > > or > > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the > stars > > > and > > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40> > > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > > > understand > > > > > by > > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in > > natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > T > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > > > Only > > > > we > > > > > > are > > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through > retrograde > > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may > delay.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair < > > astrologervishy_nair <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in><astrologervishy_nair%40. > co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > > > deny > > > > an > > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > > > typical > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka<sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa > > of > > > > moon > > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said > > that > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 dear kanak, the retrogression reslts are to be seen in transit planets and not in natal planet, i will post one article to clarify the transit results -sunil gondhalekar Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear Sheetal ji, No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my writing. I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event in retrograde montion.(in transit). or DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of event which are retrograde in natal chart regards kanak Bosmia Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji Hello I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so I will explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as horary chart! .. But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we check transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon slow and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub so that natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in transit also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of event. And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are concerned with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please clear > this point, what is exact rule? > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > or > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the stars and > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > Sheetal > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i understand > by > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the day of > > event) they do not give result. > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in natal > chart > > does not give result. > > > > regards > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > T > > Hello > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. Only we > > are > > using that during transit, which should not be through retrograde > > star/sub. > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may delay.. > > > > Regards > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair <astrologervishy_nair<astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot deny an > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives result. > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any typical > > > chart. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka <sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40>> wrote: > > > dear members, > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa of moon > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > retrograde. > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said that one > of > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > thanks > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > > > > TV. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Dear Sunil ji, are you follow same rule when you check DBA swami in transit, in Natal chart? regards kanak Bosmia sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: dear members, regarding retrograde planet i dont consider it in natal as well as horary but i consider retrograde planets effects in considering transit of DBA swami.for this i consider slow/fast moving planets. if DBA is fast moving(sun,mars,mer,and venus)planet then i consider his starlord and it should not be in star of retrograde planet.if DBA is slow moving planet(jup,sat,rahu,ketu) then i consider its sub and it should not be in star of retrograde planet.this is simple rule i follow for transit and its gives favaurable results. this is my clarification thanks -sunil gondhalekar Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Kanakji Hello I always followed k p rules what Jayaramanji said, but now trying what Sunil sir told in 4step, as there is not much difference.I am a student of kp and want to follow method which gives +ve results thats all.As I am not expert and don't get 100%correct answers. I think 4step is as the organized form of kp and nothing else.I don't know why it is differentiated from k p. and so much of discussion on 4step only.It may be because of lack of my knowledge of kp astrology.Every body tries different rules from kp as you also don't consider retrograde status anywhere which is different from traditional kp rules, because you must have some base for that. So its good all are doing research. Whosoever informed you regarding the changed rule of 4step, must have given some reference, I just want to know the reference for my benefit as I am following old rules. So it will be so kind of you if you tell me the reference. Regards Dr Sheetal On 9/2/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: > > Dear Sheetal ji, > I was informed by one of follower of 4 step, But it is not worthy to come > on any conclusion befor Sunil ji him slef say anything. > regards > Kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Dear Kanakji > > Hello > > Thanks for informing this to me, as I don't know this recent development. > Whatever I know regarding 4step is because of Mr Sunilji only and I > consider > him as my Guruji in this respect. So if he says this then there is no > question of not agreeing to it. But since he took our workshops I am > following this rule only and thats why I wrote confidently.I will check my > cases which I solved in past( presently record is not with me), and where > I > was wrong, was this a reason for that or not!. > > You wrote that, u know recently he doesn't advice to take retrograde > transit > in natal chart. Do you have any article/ example where he wrote regarding > this changed rule? Plz send it to me also or give reference.I will try to > revise my knowledge.As I don't have his recent magazines since I was out > of > India. > > Thanks once again. > > Regards > > Dr Sheetal > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40>> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > retro rule apply in natal and horary chart both or only in horary chart? > > recently i know that sunil ji does not advice to consider retro planet, > in > > transit checking in natal chart.can you say somthing on this subject, > > if sunil ji him self gide it is good. > > > > regards > > kanak Bosmia > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > We reject if B is retrograde at the time of marriage > > > > Sheetal > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > Yes we are talking same: > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > BUT MY QUESTION IS RETROGRADE MONTION HOW TO CHECK IN NATAL CHART OR > > > GOCHAR? > > > FOE EXMPLE: > > > PLANET A IS DASA LORD. > > > AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE A IS TRANSITING IN STAR OR SUB OF B. > > > NOW MY QUESTION IS WE REJECT BCOZE B IS RETRO IN NATAL CHART OR WE > > REJECT > > > BCOZE B IS RETRO AT THE TIME OF MARRIAGE? > > > i want only clearifiction of this point. > > > regard > > > kanak Bosmia > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > We don't give any importance to retrograde status of planet and star > in > > > natal chart. > > > I am talking about gochar/transit only. > > > > > > During transit of DBA lord-- planet should not transit in star/sub of > a > > > planet in retrograde motion. > > > > > > (here we take transit through sub in case of slow moving planet and > star > > > in > > > case of fast moving planet and not both star and sub both for any > > planet.) > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > 40><kanakbosmia% > > 40>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > No you are very clear on you writing, misunderstnind is in my > writing. > > > > I want to ask only about Gochar in 4 step that: > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > in > > > > retrograde montion.(in transit). > > > > or > > > > DBA planet's star or sub lord should not transit at the time of > event > > > > which are retrograde in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Dear Kanakji > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > I think this misunderstanding is created because of my statement so > I > > > will > > > > explain this to you.Sunil sir if I am wrong then u correct me too. > > > > > > > > We have to check star lord and sublord of DBA in Natal as well as > > horary > > > > chart! > > > > . > > > > But once the DBA are fixed for the incidence to happen, then we > check > > > > transit of DBA lords to see when the incidence will happen. > > > > > > > > This time we have to see transit of natal DBA lords (depending upon > > slow > > > > and fast moving planet as I already wrote) through gochar star/ sub > so > > > > that > > > > natal DBA lords should signify the event strongly at 1st 2steps in > > > transit > > > > also.This means DBA lords transit should also agree at the time of > > > event. > > > > > > > > And here I said this sub or star through which Natal DBA lord is > > > > transiting, should not be retrograde (so in transit only we are > > > concerned > > > > with the retrograde status of the planet and not in natal chart.) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > On 9/1/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > 40><kanakbosmia% > > > 40>> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > I am waiting for your detail explanation on this subject, please > > clear > > > > > this point, what is exact rule? > > > > > 1) we have to check start lord or sub lord in natal chart > > > > > or > > > > > 2) we have to check star lord or sub lord at the time of event? > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > TRANSIT IS SEEN FOR THE TIME OF HAPPENING THE INCIDENCE.So the > stars > > > and > > > > > subs through which DBA lords are transiting and they should not be > > > > > retrograde at the time of transit ( not in natal chart) > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia<kanakbosmia%40> > <kanakbosmia%40> > > <kanakbosmia%40> > > > <kanakbosmia%40><kanakbosmia% > > > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheetal ji, > > > > > > Please explain, rule of retrograde in 4 step gochar. what i > > > understand > > > > > by > > > > > > your mail is, if DBAS starlord transit in Retro star/sub( on the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > event) they do not give result. > > > > > > or DBA planet transit in star/sub of planet which is retro in > > natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > does not give result. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Kanak Bosmia > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheetal <ratnamalag <ratnamalag%40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > 40gmail.com><ratnamalag% > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > 40gmail.com> <ratnamalag% > > > > > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > T > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > In natal chart, retrograde planet/star doesn't deny the results. > > > Only > > > > we > > > > > > are > > > > > > using that during transit, which should not be through > retrograde > > > > > > star/sub. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even many times it gives result in horary charts or it may > delay.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Sheetal > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Astrologer_vishy Nair < > > astrologervishy_nair <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in><astrologervishy_nair%40. > co.in> > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in> > > > > > <astrologervishy_nair%40.co.in>> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to our humble experience, a retrograde planet cannot > > > deny > > > > an > > > > > > > event in a natal chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In horary chart too, a retrograde planet sometimes gives > result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, to support these views I am now not equipped with any > > > > typical > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > MK Viswanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka<sunilalaka%40><sunilalaka% > 40><sunilalaka% > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > 40><sunilalaka% > > > > > > > > > > > 40>> wrote: > > > > > > > dear members, > > > > > > > one of my contributor send me one article for my magazine. > > > > > > > it was very surprising that he had mentioned that current dasa > > of > > > > moon > > > > > > > will not give marriage because moon in venus star and venus is > > > > > > retrograde. > > > > > > > he has made the comments on natal and while replying he said > > that > > > > one > > > > > of > > > > > > > the senior KP fellow from chennai has agrred about this. > > > > > > > can anybody confirm that this rule is applicable to natal? > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > -sunil gondhalekar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ready for the edge of your seat? 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