Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear List Members, NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery to launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be ready. July 1, 2006 15:48 EDT 80W36 28N24 Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H Ra aspects Me MMP Me subperiod ruler Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H I think there will be problems, especially given that Me (whose dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu from the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of the lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten the mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough to cause concern or postponement. Any other thoughts? Warm regards, Shayn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Shayn: Thanks for posting this. For those that want the full chart details: July 1, 2006 15:48 Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA 80W36:18 28N24:20 Timezone: 5 DST: 1 Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. I have also typed up a few points... The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although in the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the Most Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the second house of status. The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also on the MEPs of their respective house placement. However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to the weakness of their dispositors. The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the third house of self efforts. The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the Most Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation of its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at 04:41 degrees, operating out of the sixth house. Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation sign at the time of the launch. I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with the flight. It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it is not on the MEP. So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have been "elected". That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned this time of launch. Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) David Hawthorne - Shayn Smith SAMVA Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 Dear List Members,NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery to launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be ready.July 1, 200615:48 EDT80W36 28N24Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2HRa aspects MeMMP Me subperiod rulerStrong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3HWeak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, SuWeak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7HI think there will be problems, especially given that Me (whose dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu from the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of the lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten the mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough to cause concern or postponement.Any other thoughts?Warm regards,Shayn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub-period of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement exists as well. Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the tragic space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: January 16, 2003 28.24 N, 80.36 W 10:39 AM EST Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed in the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so fast. I never said they used Systems' Approach... Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely afflicted by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn is in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the launch. The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) the problems with Columbia originated. The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected using traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. Again, we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the event helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. Best Wishes, Arun Rao SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear Shayn: > > Thanks for posting this. > > For those that want the full chart details: > > July 1, 2006 > 15:48 > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > 80W36:18 > 28N24:20 > Timezone: 5 > DST: 1 > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > I have also typed up a few points... > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although in the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the Most Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the second house of status. > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also on the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to the weakness of their dispositors. > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the third house of self efforts. > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the Most Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation of its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at 04:41 degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation sign at the time of the launch. > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with the flight. > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it is not on the MEP. > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have been " elected " . > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned this time of launch. > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > David Hawthorne > > > > - > Shayn Smith > SAMVA > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > Dear List Members, > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery to > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be ready. > > July 1, 2006 > 15:48 EDT > 80W36 28N24 > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > Ra aspects Me > MMP Me subperiod ruler > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me (whose > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu from > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of the > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten the > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough to > cause concern or postponement. > > Any other thoughts? > > Warm regards, > Shayn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Dear Arun and David, Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did not seem to post... Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. David, you mentioned fire as being associated with the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. We'll see... Warm regards, Shayn SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 wrote: > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- period > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > exists as well. > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the tragic > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > January 16, 2003 > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > 10:39 AM EST > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed in > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so fast. I > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely afflicted > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn is > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the launch. > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) the > problems with Columbia originated. > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected using > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. Again, > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the event > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun Rao > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > July 1, 2006 > > 15:48 > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > 80W36:18 > > 28N24:20 > > Timezone: 5 > > DST: 1 > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although in > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the Most > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > second house of status. > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also on > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the third > house of self efforts. > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the Most > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation of > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at 04:41 > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with > the flight. > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it is > not on the MEP. > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have been " elected " . > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned this > time of launch. > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > - > > Shayn Smith > > SAMVA > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery to > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be ready. > > > > July 1, 2006 > > 15:48 EDT > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > Ra aspects Me > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me (whose > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu from > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of the > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten the > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough to > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Dear Dr. Smith, Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the crew are also a possibility. Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems brought out earlier. With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or afflicted without any good supporting influences. Best Wishes, Arun Rao SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith wrote: > > Dear Arun and David, > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > not seem to post... > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > We'll see... > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- > period > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > > exists as well. > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > tragic > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > > > January 16, 2003 > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > in > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > fast. I > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > afflicted > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > is > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > launch. > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > the > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > using > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > Again, > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > event > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > 15:48 > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > 80W36:18 > > > 28N24:20 > > > Timezone: 5 > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > in > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > Most > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > > second house of status. > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > on > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > third > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > Most > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > of > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > 04:41 > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with > > the flight. > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > is > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > been " elected " . > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > this > > time of launch. > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Shayn Smith > > > SAMVA > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > to > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > ready. > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > 15:48 EDT > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > Ra aspects Me > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > (whose > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > from > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > the > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > the > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > to > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety between the head engineer and the management. They will try again tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri PowersArun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Dr. Smith,Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch.Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and thecrew are also a possibility.Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, Ithink that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problemsbrought out earlier. With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon andMars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan ofthe mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without goodclose influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) andthe particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/orafflicted without any good supporting influences.Best Wishes,Arun RaoSAMVA , "Shayn Smith" <mactunesmith wrote:>> Dear Arun and David,> Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > not seem to post...> > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > We'll see...> > Warm regards,> Shayn> > SAMVA , "Arun Rao" <arunrao9@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne,> > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub-> period> > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to> > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak> > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement> > exists as well.> > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology,> > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of> > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > tragic> > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below:> > > > January 16, 2003> > 28.24 N, 80.36 W> > 10:39 AM EST> > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > in> > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > fast. I> > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > afflicted> > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > is> > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the> > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > launch.> > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be> > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > the> > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > using> > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > Again,> > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > event> > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Arun Rao> > > > > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shayn:> > > > > > Thanks for posting this.> > > > > > For those that want the full chart details:> > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > 15:48> > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA> > > 80W36:18> > > 28N24:20> > > Timezone: 5> > > DST: 1> > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees.> > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct..> > > > > > I have also typed up a few points...> > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > in> > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > Most> > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the> > second house of status.> > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > on> > the MEPs of their respective house placement.> > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to> > the weakness of their dispositors.> > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > third> > house of self efforts.> > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > Most> > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury.> > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > of> > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart.> > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > 04:41> > degrees, operating out of the sixth house.> > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation> > sign at the time of the launch.> > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with> > the flight.> > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > is> > not on the MEP.> > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen...> > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility.> > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > been "elected". > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > this> > time of launch.> > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-)> > > > > > David Hawthorne> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Shayn Smith > > > SAMVA > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM> > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1> > > > > > > > > Dear List Members,> > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > to > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > ready.> > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > 15:48 EDT> > > 80W36 28N24> > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H> > > Ra aspects Me> > > MMP Me subperiod ruler> > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H> > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su> > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H> > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > (whose > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > from > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > the > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > the > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > to > > > cause concern or postponement.> > > > > > Any other thoughts?> > > > > > Warm regards,> > > Shayn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Dear Ms. Powers, It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in Cape Canaveral, Florida. The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub-period of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house of losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules the 10th house of status, reputation, etc. Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weather concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high and perhaps out of control. In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. Best Wishes, Arun Rao SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety between the head engineer and the management. They will try again tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the > crew are also a possibility. > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems > brought out earlier. > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun Rao > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> wrote: > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > > not seem to post... > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > We'll see... > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- > > period > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > > > exists as well. > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > > tragic > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > > in > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > > fast. I > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > afflicted > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > > is > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > > launch. > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > > the > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > > using > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > > Again, > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > > event > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > 15:48 > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > > in > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > > Most > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > > on > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > > third > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > > Most > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > > of > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > > 04:41 > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > > is > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > > this > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > SAMVA > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > > to > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > > ready. > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > (whose > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > > from > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > > the > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > > the > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > > to > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Mr. Hawthorne, Absolutely. After a while, we SA enthusiasts become astro-robots. And this is most definitely a good thing! Best Wishes, Arun SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > dear arun... > > i didn't see your post earlier, but very much agree with it, as you can see from my post as well... > > in the past, if you saw ten astrologers, you got ten different readings. > > with Systems' Approach, astrologers arrive at the same conclusion. > > best wishes, > > david hawthorne > - > Arun Rao > SAMVA > Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:18 PM > Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. > > The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in Cape > Canaveral, Florida. > > The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub-period > of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house of > losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules the > 10th house of status, reputation, etc. > > Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weather > concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high and > perhaps out of control. > > In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun Rao > > SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace@> wrote: > > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to > weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over > insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety > between the head engineer and the management. They will try again > tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the > S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > > > Arun Rao <arunrao9@> wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the > > crew are also a possibility. > > > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I > > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems > > brought out earlier. > > > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and > > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of > > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > > close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and > > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or > > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun Rao > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > > > not seem to post... > > > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > > > We'll see... > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- > > > period > > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > > > > exists as well. > > > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > > > tragic > > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > > > in > > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > > > fast. I > > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > > afflicted > > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > > > is > > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > > > launch. > > > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > > > the > > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > > > using > > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > > > Again, > > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > > > event > > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > 15:48 > > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > > > in > > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > > > Most > > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > > > on > > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to > > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > > > third > > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > > > Most > > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > > > of > > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > > > 04:41 > > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with > > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > > > is > > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > > > this > > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > > > to > > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > > (whose > > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > > > from > > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > > > the > > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > > > the > > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > > > to > > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 dear shayn smith.. congratulations on your accurate prediction some weeks ago that the Discovery launch may be delayed due to the weather..... It appears there will be another delay or setback due to the sub period of Ketu, operating out of the twelfth house, afflicting Moon, ruling the tenth house. Rahu is also aspecting the Moon and Mercury, while the ruler of the chart is in the eighth house of obstructions. July 2, 2006 3:26 p.m. (15:26) Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA 80W36:18 28N24 TZ: 5 DST: 1 Libra rising, 12:25 degrees. Best wishes, David Hawthorne - Sheri Powers SAMVA Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:42 PM Re: Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety between the head engineer and the management. They will try again tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri PowersArun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Dr. Smith,Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch.Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and thecrew are also a possibility.Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, Ithink that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problemsbrought out earlier. With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon andMars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan ofthe mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without goodclose influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) andthe particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/orafflicted without any good supporting influences.Best Wishes,Arun RaoSAMVA , "Shayn Smith" <mactunesmith wrote:>> Dear Arun and David,> Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > not seem to post...> > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > We'll see...> > Warm regards,> Shayn> > SAMVA , "Arun Rao" <arunrao9@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne,> > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub-> period> > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to> > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak> > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement> > exists as well.> > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology,> > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of> > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > tragic> > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below:> > > > January 16, 2003> > 28.24 N, 80.36 W> > 10:39 AM EST> > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > in> > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > fast. I> > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > afflicted> > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > is> > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the> > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > launch.> > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be> > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > the> > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > using> > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > Again,> > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > event> > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy.> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Arun Rao> > > > > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shayn:> > > > > > Thanks for posting this.> > > > > > For those that want the full chart details:> > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > 15:48> > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA> > > 80W36:18> > > 28N24:20> > > Timezone: 5> > > DST: 1> > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees.> > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct..> > > > > > I have also typed up a few points...> > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > in> > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > Most> > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the> > second house of status.> > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > on> > the MEPs of their respective house placement.> > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to> > the weakness of their dispositors.> > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > third> > house of self efforts.> > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > Most> > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury.> > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > of> > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart.> > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > 04:41> > degrees, operating out of the sixth house.> > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation> > sign at the time of the launch.> > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with> > the flight.> > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > is> > not on the MEP.> > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen...> > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility.> > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > been "elected". > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > this> > time of launch.> > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-)> > > > > > David Hawthorne> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Shayn Smith > > > SAMVA > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM> > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1> > > > > > > > > Dear List Members,> > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > to > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > ready.> > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > 15:48 EDT> > > 80W36 28N24> > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H> > > Ra aspects Me> > > MMP Me subperiod ruler> > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H> > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su> > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H> > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > (whose > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > from > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > the > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > the > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > to > > > cause concern or postponement.> > > > > > Any other thoughts?> > > > > > Warm regards,> > > Shayn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 dear arun... i didn't see your post earlier, but very much agree with it, as you can see from my post as well... in the past, if you saw ten astrologers, you got ten different readings. with Systems' Approach, astrologers arrive at the same conclusion. best wishes, david hawthorne - Arun Rao SAMVA Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:18 PM Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 Dear Ms. Powers,It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in CapeCanaveral, Florida.The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub-periodof Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house oflosses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules the10th house of status, reputation, etc. Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weatherconcerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high andperhaps out of control. In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious.Best Wishes,Arun RaoSAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote:>> Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due toweather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry overinsulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safetybetween the head engineer and the management. They will try againtomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by theS.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers> > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear Dr. Smith,> > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch.> > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the> crew are also a possibility.> > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I> think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems> brought out earlier. > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and> Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of> the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good> close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and> the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or> afflicted without any good supporting influences.> > Best Wishes,> > Arun Rao> > SAMVA , "Shayn Smith" <mactunesmith@> wrote:> >> > Dear Arun and David,> > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > > not seem to post...> > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > We'll see...> > > > Warm regards,> > Shayn> > > > SAMVA , "Arun Rao" <arunrao9@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne,> > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub-> > period> > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to> > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak> > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement> > > exists as well.> > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology,> > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of> > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > > tragic> > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below:> > > > > > January 16, 2003> > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W> > > 10:39 AM EST> > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > > in> > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > > fast. I> > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > afflicted> > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > > is> > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the> > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > > launch.> > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be> > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > > the> > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > > using> > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > > Again,> > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > > event> > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy.> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > Arun Rao> > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shayn:> > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this.> > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details:> > > > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > > 15:48> > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA> > > > 80W36:18> > > > 28N24:20> > > > Timezone: 5> > > > DST: 1> > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees.> > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct..> > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points...> > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > > in> > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > > Most> > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the> > > second house of status.> > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > > on> > > the MEPs of their respective house placement.> > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to> > > the weakness of their dispositors.> > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > > third> > > house of self efforts.> > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > > Most> > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury.> > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > > of> > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart.> > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > > 04:41> > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house.> > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation> > > sign at the time of the launch.> > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with> > > the flight.> > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > > is> > > not on the MEP.> > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen...> > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility.> > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > been "elected". > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > > this> > > time of launch.> > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-)> > > > > > > > David Hawthorne> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > SAMVA > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM> > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members,> > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > > to > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > > ready.> > > > > > > > July 1, 2006> > > > 15:48 EDT> > > > 80W36 28N24> > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H> > > > Ra aspects Me> > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler> > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H> > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su> > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H> > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > (whose > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > > from > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > > the > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > > the > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > > to > > > > cause concern or postponement.> > > > > > > > Any other thoughts?> > > > > > > > Warm regards,> > > > Shayn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Hello Sheri and Arun, Sheri, I too am impressed with SA's accuracy. It's simple and powerful. 's work is a blessing. Good call, Arun on today's mission which has just been scrubbed because of bad weather. And it isn't looking any better for the next scheduled launch on July 4 at 2:38pm. Once again, the chart ruler, Venus, is in the 8th house whose MEP is aspected by Ketu from the 12th. MMP, Mercury is the subperiod lord and it is aspected by Rahu. Mercury also afflicts the 10th and 4th houses. This chart may be the worst of the three because of the additional malefic influences on the houses. I heard that NASA launches at these times because the space station orbits overhead at the same time allowing the shuttle to catch up so it can dock. I wish they employed an SA astrologer to help them out... Warm regards, Shayn SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 wrote: > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. > > The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in Cape > Canaveral, Florida. > > The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub- period > of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house of > losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules the > 10th house of status, reputation, etc. > > Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weather > concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high and > perhaps out of control. > > In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun Rao > > SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace@> wrote: > > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to > weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over > insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety > between the head engineer and the management. They will try again > tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the > S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > > > Arun Rao <arunrao9@> wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the > > crew are also a possibility. > > > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I > > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems > > brought out earlier. > > > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and > > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of > > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > > close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and > > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or > > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun Rao > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > > > not seem to post... > > > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > > > We'll see... > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- > > > period > > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > > > > exists as well. > > > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > > > tragic > > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > > > in > > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > > > fast. I > > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > > afflicted > > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > > > is > > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > > > launch. > > > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > > > the > > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > > > using > > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > > > Again, > > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > > > event > > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > 15:48 > > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > > > in > > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > > > Most > > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > > > on > > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due to > > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > > > third > > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > > > Most > > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > > > of > > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > > > 04:41 > > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems with > > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > > > is > > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > > > this > > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > > > to > > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > > (whose > > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > > > from > > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > > > the > > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > > > the > > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > > > to > > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Dr. Smith, Please read my comments in capitals added to your original message. Best Wishes, Arun SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith wrote: > > Hello Sheri and Arun, > Sheri, I too am impressed with SA's accuracy. It's simple and > powerful. 's work is a blessing. ABSOLUTELY. FOR A DETAIL-ORIENTED VIRGO ASC. LIKE YOURSELF, IT MUST BE ALL THE MORE SATISFYING! > > Good call, Arun on today's mission which has just been scrubbed > because of bad weather. And it isn't looking any better for the next > scheduled launch on July 4 at 2:38pm. RIGHT, SA WORKS FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. NICE CALL ON THE WEATHER ISSUES. > > Once again, the chart ruler, Venus, is in the 8th house whose MEP is > aspected by Ketu from the 12th. MMP, Mercury is the subperiod lord > and it is aspected by Rahu. Mercury also afflicts the 10th and 4th > houses. YES, THIS CHART IS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF REALLY. THE BADLY PLACED NODES EXACTLY ON THE MEP OF HOUSES POINT TO POTENTIALLY TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE EVEN HOUSES ARE INVOLVED. > > This chart may be the worst of the three because of the additional > malefic influences on the houses. NO DOUBT. > > I heard that NASA launches at these times because the space station > orbits overhead at the same time allowing the shuttle to catch up so > it can dock. THIS IS MOST SENSIBLE. > > I wish they employed an SA astrologer to help them out... THAT WILL BE THE DAY...THE BELIEF MUST BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH. > > Warm regards, > Shayn > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > > > It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. > > > > The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in > Cape > > Canaveral, Florida. > > > > The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub- > period > > of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house of > > losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules > the > > 10th house of status, reputation, etc. > > > > Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weather > > concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high and > > perhaps out of control. > > > > In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun Rao > > > > SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to > > weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry > over > > insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety > > between the head engineer and the management. They will try again > > tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by > the > > S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > > > > > Arun Rao <arunrao9@> wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > > > > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and > the > > > crew are also a possibility. > > > > > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are > right, I > > > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential > problems > > > brought out earlier. > > > > > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon > and > > > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the > lifespan of > > > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > > > close influences. The general signification of Saturn > (longevity) and > > > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak > and/or > > > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original > reply did > > > > not seem to post... > > > > > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong > Moon > > > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is > slowing > > > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify > problems. > > > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain > delay?) as > > > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > > > > > We'll see... > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating > sub- > > > > period > > > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be > conducive to > > > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence > on weak > > > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of > postponement > > > > > exists as well. > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used > astrology, > > > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the > launch of > > > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of > the > > > > tragic > > > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are > below: > > > > > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets > placed > > > > in > > > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not > so > > > > fast. I > > > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > > > afflicted > > > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. > Hence, the > > > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of > the > > > > launch. > > > > > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it > would be > > > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical > location) > > > > the > > > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was > elected > > > > using > > > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta > selection. > > > > Again, > > > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of > the > > > > event > > > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > 15:48 > > > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, > although > > > > in > > > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on > the > > > > Most > > > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on > the > > > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are > also > > > > on > > > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak > due to > > > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing > the > > > > third > > > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler > is the > > > > Most > > > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the > debilitation > > > > of > > > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of > Rahu at > > > > 04:41 > > > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its > debilitation > > > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some > problems with > > > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at > least it > > > > is > > > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually > assigned > > > > this > > > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle > Discovery > > > > to > > > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not > be > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > > > (whose > > > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by > Rahu > > > > from > > > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main > period of > > > > the > > > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously > threaten > > > > the > > > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but > enough > > > > to > > > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Arun, Thank you for your comments. They put a smile on my face :-) ~Shayn SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9 wrote: > > Dear Dr. Smith, > > Please read my comments in capitals added to your original message. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> wrote: > > > > Hello Sheri and Arun, > > Sheri, I too am impressed with SA's accuracy. It's simple and > > powerful. 's work is a blessing. > > ABSOLUTELY. FOR A DETAIL-ORIENTED VIRGO ASC. LIKE YOURSELF, IT MUST BE > ALL THE MORE SATISFYING! > > > > > Good call, Arun on today's mission which has just been scrubbed > > because of bad weather. And it isn't looking any better for the next > > scheduled launch on July 4 at 2:38pm. > > RIGHT, SA WORKS FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. NICE CALL ON THE WEATHER ISSUES. > > > > > Once again, the chart ruler, Venus, is in the 8th house whose MEP is > > aspected by Ketu from the 12th. MMP, Mercury is the subperiod lord > > and it is aspected by Rahu. Mercury also afflicts the 10th and 4th > > houses. > > YES, THIS CHART IS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF REALLY. > THE BADLY PLACED NODES EXACTLY ON THE MEP OF HOUSES POINT TO > POTENTIALLY TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE EVEN HOUSES ARE > INVOLVED. > > > > > This chart may be the worst of the three because of the additional > > malefic influences on the houses. > > NO DOUBT. > > > > > I heard that NASA launches at these times because the space station > > orbits overhead at the same time allowing the shuttle to catch up so > > it can dock. > > THIS IS MOST SENSIBLE. > > > > > I wish they employed an SA astrologer to help them out... > > THAT WILL BE THE DAY...THE BELIEF MUST BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH. > > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > > > > > It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. > > > > > > The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 in > > Cape > > > Canaveral, Florida. > > > > > > The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub- > > period > > > of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th house of > > > losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon rules > > the > > > 10th house of status, reputation, etc. > > > > > > Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. Weather > > > concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high and > > > perhaps out of control. > > > > > > In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to > > > weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry > > over > > > insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety > > > between the head engineer and the management. They will try again > > > tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by > > the > > > S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > > > > > > > Arun Rao <arunrao9@> wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > > > > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > > > > > > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and > > the > > > > crew are also a possibility. > > > > > > > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are > > right, I > > > > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential > > problems > > > > brought out earlier. > > > > > > > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon > > and > > > > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the > > lifespan of > > > > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > > > > close influences. The general signification of Saturn > > (longevity) and > > > > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak > > and/or > > > > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > > > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original > > reply did > > > > > not seem to post... > > > > > > > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong > > Moon > > > > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > > > > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is > > slowing > > > > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify > > problems. > > > > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > > > > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain > > delay?) as > > > > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > > > > > > > We'll see... > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating > > sub- > > > > > period > > > > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be > > conducive to > > > > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence > > on weak > > > > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of > > postponement > > > > > > exists as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used > > astrology, > > > > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the > > launch of > > > > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of > > the > > > > > tragic > > > > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are > > below: > > > > > > > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not > > so > > > > > fast. I > > > > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka > > Saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. > > Hence, the > > > > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of > > the > > > > > launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it > > would be > > > > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical > > location) > > > > > the > > > > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was > > elected > > > > > using > > > > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta > > selection. > > > > > Again, > > > > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of > > the > > > > > event > > > > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > > 15:48 > > > > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, > > although > > > > > in > > > > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on > > the > > > > > Most > > > > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on > > the > > > > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are > > also > > > > > on > > > > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak > > due to > > > > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing > > the > > > > > third > > > > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler > > is the > > > > > Most > > > > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the > > debilitation > > > > > of > > > > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of > > Rahu at > > > > > 04:41 > > > > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its > > debilitation > > > > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some > > problems with > > > > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at > > least it > > > > > is > > > > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > > > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually > > assigned > > > > > this > > > > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle > > Discovery > > > > > to > > > > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not > > be > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > > > > (whose > > > > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by > > Rahu > > > > > from > > > > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main > > period of > > > > > the > > > > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously > > threaten > > > > > the > > > > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but > > enough > > > > > to > > > > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Dear Friends: Okay.. they delayed the launch today and are going to try again on the 4th of July...at 2:38 p.m. I don't think that chart is much of an improvement... It still has a Libra rising sign (03:43 degrees) with Venus in the eighth house. The main period ruler is the debilitated Mars and the sub period is the Most Malefic Planet, Mercury, under the aspect of Rahu. Another delay is likely. Or worse. Interestingly, the only strong planet in the chart is the Sun, which shows a strong government effort to go through with the launch. best wishes, David Hawthorne Weather forces NASA to scrub shuttle launch Space agency hopes to try again Tuesday KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Florida (CNN) -- NASA postponed the launch of the space shuttle Discovery a second time Sunday because of bad weather. The space agency said it will try for a launch Tuesday at 2:38 p.m. ET. NASA had fueled the orbiter Sunday morning, and the crew of six Americans and a German began boarding just after noon. But even early Sunday morning, NASA reported showers offshore and predicted a 70 percent chance that thunderstorms would prevent a launch. The possibility of thunderstorms and lightning near the launch pad also postponed the liftoff of the shuttle Saturday afternoon. A launch Tuesday would be the first time a shuttle has taken off on the Fourth of July. No launch attempt is scheduled for Monday because the weather forecast is even worse, and because NASA needs time to top off the fuel cells that provide power while the shuttle is in orbit. NASA can keep trying until July 19. If the launch hasn't happened by then, the next window for the mission will open in late August. Those windows of opportunity are determined by the path of the orbiting international space station, the shuttle's destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Glad to have done so, Dr. Smith. Best Wishes, Arun SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith wrote: > > Dear Arun, > Thank you for your comments. They put a smile on my face :-) > ~Shayn > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > Please read my comments in capitals added to your original message. > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Arun > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Sheri and Arun, > > > Sheri, I too am impressed with SA's accuracy. It's simple and > > > powerful. 's work is a blessing. > > > > ABSOLUTELY. FOR A DETAIL-ORIENTED VIRGO ASC. LIKE YOURSELF, IT > MUST BE > > ALL THE MORE SATISFYING! > > > > > > > > Good call, Arun on today's mission which has just been scrubbed > > > because of bad weather. And it isn't looking any better for the > next > > > scheduled launch on July 4 at 2:38pm. > > > > RIGHT, SA WORKS FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME. NICE CALL ON THE WEATHER > ISSUES. > > > > > > > > Once again, the chart ruler, Venus, is in the 8th house whose > MEP is > > > aspected by Ketu from the 12th. MMP, Mercury is the subperiod > lord > > > and it is aspected by Rahu. Mercury also afflicts the 10th and > 4th > > > houses. > > > > YES, THIS CHART IS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF > REALLY. > > THE BADLY PLACED NODES EXACTLY ON THE MEP OF HOUSES POINT TO > > POTENTIALLY TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES. ESPECIALLY SINCE THE EVEN HOUSES > ARE > > INVOLVED. > > > > > > > > This chart may be the worst of the three because of the > additional > > > malefic influences on the houses. > > > > NO DOUBT. > > > > > > > > I heard that NASA launches at these times because the space > station > > > orbits overhead at the same time allowing the shuttle to catch > up so > > > it can dock. > > > > THIS IS MOST SENSIBLE. > > > > > > > > I wish they employed an SA astrologer to help them out... > > > > THAT WILL BE THE DAY...THE BELIEF MUST BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Powers, > > > > > > > > It is yet another feather in the cap of SA. > > > > > > > > The launch is to be delayed until tomorrow, July 2, at 15:26 > in > > > Cape > > > > Canaveral, Florida. > > > > > > > > The chart for the new launch is troublesome yet again. The sub- > > > period > > > > of Ketu is in operation. Ketu is badly placed in the 12th > house of > > > > losses and closely afflicts the badly placed Moon. The Moon > rules > > > the > > > > 10th house of status, reputation, etc. > > > > > > > > Safety concerns and other challenges are once again likely. > Weather > > > > concerns are not out of question. Emotions may be running high > and > > > > perhaps out of control. > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the success of the mission is dubious. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Sheri Powers <mermaidslace@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled > due to > > > > weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued > worry > > > over > > > > insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over > safety > > > > between the head engineer and the management. They will try > again > > > > tomorrow. I am very impressed by the accuracy of predictions > by > > > the > > > > S.A. members of this group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > > > > > > > > > Arun Rao <arunrao9@> wrote: Dear Dr. Smith, > > > > > > > > > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of > launch. > > > > > > > > > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control > and > > > the > > > > > crew are also a possibility. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You > are > > > right, I > > > > > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential > > > problems > > > > > brought out earlier. > > > > > > > > > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about > Moon > > > and > > > > > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the > > > lifespan of > > > > > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without > good > > > > > close influences. The general signification of Saturn > > > (longevity) and > > > > > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are > weak > > > and/or > > > > > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > > > > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original > > > reply did > > > > > > not seem to post... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a > strong > > > Moon > > > > > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury > is > > > slowing > > > > > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify > > > problems. > > > > > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > > > > > > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain > > > delay?) as > > > > > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll see... > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The > operating > > > sub- > > > > > > period > > > > > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be > > > conducive to > > > > > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's > influence > > > on weak > > > > > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of > > > postponement > > > > > > > exists as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used > > > astrology, > > > > > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the > > > launch of > > > > > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch > of > > > the > > > > > > tragic > > > > > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are > > > below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > > > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > > > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no > planets > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm > not > > > so > > > > > > fast. I > > > > > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is > closely > > > > > > afflicted > > > > > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. > Ayushkaraka > > > Saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. > > > Hence, the > > > > > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time > of > > > the > > > > > > launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it > > > would be > > > > > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical > > > location) > > > > > > the > > > > > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was > > > elected > > > > > > using > > > > > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta > > > selection. > > > > > > Again, > > > > > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature > of > > > the > > > > > > event > > > > > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of > tragedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > > > 15:48 > > > > > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, > > > although > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is > on > > > the > > > > > > Most > > > > > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive > aspect on > > > the > > > > > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn > are > > > also > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are > weak > > > due to > > > > > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is > blessing > > > the > > > > > > third > > > > > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period > ruler > > > is the > > > > > > Most > > > > > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the > > > debilitation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of > > > Rahu at > > > > > > 04:41 > > > > > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its > > > debilitation > > > > > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some > > > problems with > > > > > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but > at > > > least it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be > seen... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > > > > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually > > > assigned > > > > > > this > > > > > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle > > > Discovery > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may > not > > > be > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that > Me > > > > > > (whose > > > > > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected > by > > > Rahu > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main > > > period of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously > > > threaten > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but > > > enough > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Now they have found crack in the foam lining. Its fantastic, good I joined the list to study SA Astrology. > " David Hawthorne " <david >SAMVA ><SAMVA > >Re: Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 >Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:42:57 -0600 > >dear shayn smith.. > >congratulations on your accurate prediction some weeks ago that the >Discovery launch may be delayed due to the weather..... > >It appears there will be another delay or setback due to the sub period of >Ketu, operating out of the twelfth house, afflicting Moon, ruling the tenth >house. > >Rahu is also aspecting the Moon and Mercury, while the ruler of the chart >is in the eighth house of obstructions. > >July 2, 2006 >3:26 p.m. (15:26) >Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA >80W36:18 >28N24 >TZ: 5 >DST: 1 > >Libra rising, 12:25 degrees. > >Best wishes, David Hawthorne > - > Sheri Powers > SAMVA > Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:42 PM > Re: Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to >weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over >insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety between >the head engineer and the management. They will try again tomorrow. I am >very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the S.A. members of this >group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers > > Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: > Dear Dr. Smith, > > Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch. > > Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the > crew are also a possibility. > > Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I > think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems > brought out earlier. > > With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and > Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of > the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good > close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and > the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or > afflicted without any good supporting influences. > > Best Wishes, > > Arun Rao > > SAMVA , " Shayn Smith " <mactunesmith wrote: > > > > Dear Arun and David, > > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did > > not seem to post... > > > > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon > > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission. > > > > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing > > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde > > > > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems. > > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with > > > > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as > > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs. > > > > We'll see... > > > > Warm regards, > > Shayn > > > > SAMVA , " Arun Rao " <arunrao9@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne, > > > > > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub- > > period > > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to > > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak > > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement > > > exists as well. > > > > > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology, > > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of > > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the > > tragic > > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below: > > > > > > January 16, 2003 > > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W > > > 10:39 AM EST > > > > > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed > > in > > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so > > fast. I > > > never said they used Systems' Approach... > > > > > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely > > afflicted > > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn > > is > > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the > > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the > > launch. > > > > > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be > > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location) > > the > > > problems with Columbia originated. > > > > > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected > > using > > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection. > > Again, > > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the > > event > > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Arun Rao > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shayn: > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. > > > > > > > > For those that want the full chart details: > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > 15:48 > > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA > > > > 80W36:18 > > > > 28N24:20 > > > > Timezone: 5 > > > > DST: 1 > > > > > > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees. > > > > > > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct.. > > > > > > > > I have also typed up a few points... > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although > > in > > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the > > Most > > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the > > > second house of status. > > > > > > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also > > on > > > the MEPs of their respective house placement. > > > > > > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due >to > > > the weakness of their dispositors. > > > > > > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the > > third > > > house of self efforts. > > > > > > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the > > Most > > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury. > > > > > > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation > > of > > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart. > > > > > > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at > > 04:41 > > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house. > > > > > > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation > > > sign at the time of the launch. > > > > > > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems >with > > > the flight. > > > > > > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it > > is > > > not on the MEP. > > > > > > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen... > > > > > > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have > > been " elected " . > > > > > > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned > > this > > > time of launch. > > > > > > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-) > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Shayn Smith > > > > SAMVA > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM > > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery > > to > > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be > > ready. > > > > > > > > July 1, 2006 > > > > 15:48 EDT > > > > 80W36 28N24 > > > > > > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H > > > > Ra aspects Me > > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler > > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H > > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su > > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H > > > > > > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me > > (whose > > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu > > from > > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of > > the > > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten > > the > > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough > > to > > > > cause concern or postponement. > > > > > > > > Any other thoughts? > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Shayn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Dear Narenda and group members, It is fantastic. I saw on the news just now that Nasa will have a press conference shortly. Perhap to announce cancellation. I noticed in Jorges USA chart (July 2nd, 1776, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-39n57'08/75w09'51-at 16:48:46) that on the day of the Columbia launch(date noted on previous email) that transit Mars a functional malefic in USA chart was at 05.45 Scorpio, afflicting transit Moon and natal Venus and natal Mars was exactly afflicting transit Saturn, which was slow. On the day of the Challenger launch, another national tragedy-Jan 28, 1986 at 11:38am in Cape Canaveral, Fla(same lat/long as Columbia) transit Mars was at 03:37 Scorpio, afflicting transit Jupiter. The Mars afflictions in the two previous tragedies was in addition to many other afflictions. I noticed that currently there are no close Mars afflictions for the planned launch in the USA chart. Could the lack of a Mars affliction in the USA chart mean, perhaps, no national tragedy? Sincerely, Sheri Powers* Narendra * <naren.dra wrote: Now they have found crack in the foam lining.Its fantastic, good I joined the list to study SA Astrology.>"David Hawthorne" >SAMVA >>Re: Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1>Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:42:57 -0600>>dear shayn smith..>>congratulations on your accurate prediction some weeks ago that the >Discovery launch may be delayed due to the weather.....>>It appears there will be another delay or setback due to the sub period of >Ketu, operating out of the twelfth house, afflicting Moon, ruling the tenth >house.>>Rahu is also aspecting the Moon and Mercury, while the ruler of the chart >is in the eighth house of obstructions.>>July 2, 2006>3:26 p.m. (15:26)>Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA>80W36:18>28N24>TZ: 5>DST: 1>>Libra rising, 12:25 degrees.>>Best wishes, David Hawthorne> -> Sheri Powers> SAMVA > Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:42 PM> Re: Re: NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1>>> Dear group members, I read today the launch was cancelled due to >weather, plus I've been reading today about the continued worry over >insulation falling. There was a difference of opinion over safety between >the head engineer and the management. They will try again tomorrow. I am >very impressed by the accuracy of predictions by the S.A. members of this >group. Sincerely, Sheri Powers>> Arun Rao wrote:> Dear Dr. Smith,>> Nice observation...rain is a possibility at the time of launch.>> Disputes between crew members or between NASA ground control and the> crew are also a possibility.>> Thank you for pointing out the retrograde of Mercury. You are right, I> think that could intensify and prolong some of the potential problems> brought out earlier.>> With respect to the Columbia liftoff, you are right about Moon and> Mars. Their close influences have no bearing at all on the lifespan of> the mission. The MEP's of the 1st and 8th houses are without good> close influences. The general signification of Saturn (longevity) and> the particular signification of Venus (also longevity) are weak and/or> afflicted without any good supporting influences.>> Best Wishes,>> Arun Rao>> SAMVA , "Shayn Smith" wrote:> >> > Dear Arun and David,> > Please excuse this if it is a repeat message. My original reply did> > not seem to post...> >> > Nice analysis of the Columbia liftoff, Arun. Not even a strong Moon> > and Mars and their aspects could salvage that mission.> >> > With respect to the upcoming launch, notice that Mercury is slowing> > down to station at 7:25 Cancer before going retrograde> >> > and Rahu's speed is slower than normal which may intensify problems.> > David, you mentioned fire as being associated with> >> > the 6th house. I wonder if water may be involved (a rain delay?) as> > both Mercury and Rahu are in water signs.> >> > We'll see...> >> > Warm regards,> > Shayn> >> > SAMVA , "Arun Rao" wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr. Smith and Mr. Hawthorne,> > >> > > Some excellent points have been raised here. The operating sub-> > period> > > of afflicted Mercury is ominous, though it may not be conducive to> > > tragedy. There is the threat of fire from Rahu's influence on weak> > > Mercury from the 6th house. The risk (or blessing) of postponement> > > exists as well.> > >> > > Mr. Hawthorne, I am of the opinion that NASA has used astrology,> > > likely even vedic astrology, in the past for timing the launch of> > > their missions. Have a look at the chart for the launch of the> > tragic> > > space shuttle Columbia mission, the details of which are below:> > >> > > January 16, 2003> > > 28.24 N, 80.36 W> > > 10:39 AM EST> > >> > > Looking at the chart, the sign Pisces rises with no planets placed> > in> > > the 6th, 8th, or 12th houses. Looks good, right?...hmmm not so> > fast. I> > > never said they used Systems' Approach...> > >> > > Using simple SA technique, Venus ruling longevity is closely> > afflicted> > > by the nodes and turns both weak and afflicted. Ayushkaraka Saturn> > is> > > in extreme old age and is powerless to be of any help. Hence, the> > > lifespan of the mission was in peril right at the time of the> > launch.> > >> > > The Sun closely afflicts the MEP of the 11th house...it would be> > > interesting to see exactly where (in terms of physical location)> > the> > > problems with Columbia originated.> > >> > > The Columbia launch chart definitely looks like it was elected> > using> > > traditional vedic astrology parameters for muhurta selection.> > Again,> > > we see the unique power of SA at work. Sadly, the nature of the> > event> > > helping to confirm our confidence in SA was one of tragedy.> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > >> > > Arun Rao> > >> > >> > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shayn:> > > >> > > > Thanks for posting this.> > > >> > > > For those that want the full chart details:> > > >> > > > July 1, 2006> > > > 15:48> > > > Cape Canaveral, Florida (FL) USA> > > > 80W36:18> > > > 28N24:20> > > > Timezone: 5> > > > DST: 1> > > >> > > > Libra rising sign, 16:18 degrees.> > > >> > > > Shayn's analysis of the planets is absolutely correct..> > > >> > > > I have also typed up a few points...> > > >> > > > The functional benefic planet ruling the chart, Venus, although> > in> > > the eighth house, is in its own sign of Taurus and it is on the> > Most> > > Effective Point (MEP), therefore giving a positive aspect on the> > > second house of status.> > > >> > > > The functional benefic planets Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are also> > on> > > the MEPs of their respective house placement.> > > >> > > > However, as Shayn pointed out, Jupiter and Saturn are weak due >to> > > the weakness of their dispositors.> > > >> > > > The well placed Sun may carry the day, as it is blessing the> > third> > > house of self efforts.> > > >> > > > The main period ruler is Venus, and the sub period ruler is the> > Most> > > Malefic Planet (MMP) for Libra, Mercury.> > > >> > > > Mercury, at 07:04 degrees is weak on account of the debilitation> > of> > > its ruler, Moon, in the navamsa chart.> > > >> > > > Mercury is therefore vulnerable to the fifth aspect of Rahu at> > 04:41> > > degrees, operating out of the sixth house.> > > >> > > > Mars, ruling the seventh house is also still in its debilitation> > > sign at the time of the launch.> > > >> > > > I think I agree with Shayn that there could be some problems >with> > > the flight.> > > >> > > > It is not ideal the operating planet is the MMP, but at least it> > is> > > not on the MEP.> > > >> > > > So maybe some delays or losses and expenses can be seen...> > > >> > > > Sixth house also represents fire, so that is also a possibility.> > > >> > > > Interestingly, it appears that the chart could have> > been "elected".> > > >> > > > That is, it is possible that some astrologer actually assigned> > this> > > time of launch.> > > >> > > > Maybe NASA is considering astrology :-)> > > >> > > > David Hawthorne> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > Shayn Smith> > > > SAMVA > > > > Monday, June 19, 2006 5:05 PM> > > > NASA to Launch Discovery on July 1> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear List Members,> > > > NASA has given the green light for the space shuttle Discovery> > to> > > > launch on July 1 despite some objections that it may not be> > ready.> > > >> > > > July 1, 2006> > > > 15:48 EDT> > > > 80W36 28N24> > > >> > > > Lagna ruler, Ve, conjunct 8H, aspects 2H> > > > Ra aspects Me> > > > MMP Me subperiod ruler> > > > Strong Sun conjunct 9H, aspects 3H> > > > Weak Ju conjunct ASCDT, aspects 5H, 7H, 9H, Su> > > > Weak Sa conjunct 10H, aspects 12H, 4H, 7H> > > >> > > > I think there will be problems, especially given that Me> > (whose> > > > dispositor, Mo, is debilitated in Navamsa) is aspected by Rahu> > from> > > > the 6H and it is the subperiod lord in the weak main period of> > the> > > > lagna ruler. Perhaps not enough danger to seriously threaten> > the> > > > mission, given all the supporting benefic aspects, but enough> > to> > > > cause concern or postponement.> > > >> > > > Any other thoughts?> > > >> > > > Warm regards,> > > > Shayn> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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