July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax View/For the Professor

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My Dear Professor,

 

The kindest thing you could have done is just what you have already expressed in your previous messages on THE PARALLAX VIEW.

 

Scientific truth in the realms of the study of human action can often be a lonely endeavor:

 

Witness Jorge's Angelino's competent determination of the July 2, 1776 USA birth chart.

 

There may be as many as thousands of mundane astrologers around the world torturing themselves over rectifications of their preferred time moments on July 4th 1776, on which date that strapping baby boy, the USA, was already more than a day old. What a waste of precious time on their part.

 

In recent weeks I've spoken with the only other two of the 3 astrolgers in the whole world who recognize and have rectified charts for a preferred birth moment on July 2, 1776. They are:

 

Julian Armistead and Ken Merriman, both tropicalists, as you may know.

 

Sadly, it's a very exclusive club; but enrollment remains open and free to the public.

 

Best wishes, John

 

 

siha wrote:

Hello my dear John,You are an honorable person and you have tried to help SAMVA and Mr. Jorge Angelino a lot.The inputs/suggestions/historical facts brought out by you are taken seriously and we are thankful to you. Due to other exigencies I spend limited time on SAMVA issues and rectification work. However, I am always at the disposal of Mr. Jorge for any help and assistance.Best wishes,- "JohnTWB" <jtwbjakarta<samva >Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:50 AM July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax View>> First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for tolerating my idiosyncratic walk > thru a piece of the terrain of mundane astrology in my previous

posting..>> Lest my previous posting may cause some mis-understanding about my > conception of proper astrological technique, let me declare at the outset > that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in the body of my > analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, the > subject of my previous message.>> It has been offered a a means of doing rigorous history while looking out > for mundane connections. It is hoped that serious astrology, employing > SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I shall call simply, a parallax > view.>> An illustration now:>> Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the birth chart for the > USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal day in question. > By a variant of SAMVA "R & D", and tried and true trial and error, Jorge > settled on, by rectification, the Lagna

15.Scorpio.30 which is at 16:48:05 > hours.(Lahiri)>> Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's rectification for my > explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a consideration:>> Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:48:05 (rectified)>> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30 ]>> Now compare Jorge's work with the following "un-rectified" > Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:>> USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)>> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]>> U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @ 15:28:06 (est.)>> [Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]>> Comment:>> 1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon relationship of > Independence and Constitution as a "parallax" confirmation of the > effectiveness

of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time moment 30 arc > minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the historically > derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional relationship > I have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon history's > imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the historical > record only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from 4:00 pm > to 7:00 pm, and from that range point on it's all in the rectification. > However, for September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the > astrologer to within a 10 minutes range of the actual moment.>> 2) History has left us a much more detailed record of the adoption of the > U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787. If > a student cares to know, and does the research, it will be discovered that > the Constitution's signing ceremony

that Monday started just minutes after > 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting with the > Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28 > minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure > from 3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal > determination carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing else, > this tells me Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by > my derivation.>> 3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of the sovereign > Independence of the American people and the establishment of "a more > perfect union" under the nation's second constitution is undeniable. A > constitution is after all a sovereign's "right to government". I can see > nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon sharing exactly or almost > so the Constitution's Lagna; as

conception presages birth. In the context > of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is the one and only date. > However, in the context of the birth of the revised powers of the U.S. > government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in this context) > is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth. That's > what I believe that relationship represents.>> 4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just one PLEASE: please > don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S. Constitution's > birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm sure the > person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the > historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming > to mind. Enough!>> Conclusion:>> Frankly what I have related in this message only increases my confidence > in Jorge's accuracy

on the USA birthchart. I do not doubt that he has > employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have introduced for > consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not a > rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me > something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's > rectification. That confidence is high.>>>> > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail

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Hello my dear John,

 

Thanks for the further information.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

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" JohnTWB " <jtwbjakarta

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Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:20 PM

July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax

View/For the Professor

 

 

> My Dear Professor,

>

> The kindest thing you could have done is just what you have already

> expressed in your previous messages on THE PARALLAX VIEW.

>

> Scientific truth in the realms of the study of human action can often be a

> lonely endeavor:

>

> Witness Jorge's Angelino's competent determination of the July 2, 1776 USA

> birth chart.

>

> There may be as many as thousands of mundane astrologers around the world

> torturing themselves over rectifications of their preferred time moments

> on July 4th 1776, on which date that strapping baby boy, the USA, was

> already more than a day old. What a waste of precious time on their part.

>

> In recent weeks I've spoken with the only other two of the 3 astrolgers in

> the whole world who recognize and have rectified charts for a preferred

> birth moment on July 2, 1776. They are:

>

> Julian Armistead and Ken Merriman, both tropicalists, as you may know.

>

> Sadly, it's a very exclusive club; but enrollment remains open and free to

> the public.

>

> Best wishes, John

>

>

> siha wrote:

>

> Hello my dear John,

>

> You are an honorable person and you have tried to help SAMVA and Mr. Jorge

> Angelino a lot.

>

> The inputs/suggestions/historical facts brought out by you are taken

> seriously and we are thankful to you. Due to other exigencies I spend

> limited time on SAMVA issues and rectification work. However, I am always

> at the disposal of Mr. Jorge for any help and assistance.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

> -

> " JohnTWB " <jtwbjakarta

> <samva >

> Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:50 AM

> July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax

> View

>

>

>>

>> First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for tolerating my idiosyncratic

>> walk

>> thru a piece of the terrain of mundane astrology in my previous posting..

>>

>> Lest my previous posting may cause some mis-understanding about my

>> conception of proper astrological technique, let me declare at the outset

>> that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in the body of my

>> analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, the

>> subject of my previous message.

>>

>> It has been offered a a means of doing rigorous history while looking out

>> for mundane connections. It is hoped that serious astrology, employing

>> SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I shall call simply, a parallax

>> view.

>>

>> An illustration now:

>>

>> Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the birth chart for the

>> USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal day in

>> question.

>> By a variant of SAMVA " R & D " , and tried and true trial and error, Jorge

>> settled on, by rectification, the Lagna 15.Scorpio.30 which is at

>> 16:48:05

>> hours.(Lahiri)

>>

>> Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's rectification for my

>> explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a consideration:

>>

>> Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:48:05 (rectified)

>>

>> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30 ]

>>

>> Now compare Jorge's work with the following " un-rectified "

>> Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:

>>

>> USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)

>>

>> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]

>>

>> U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @ 15:28:06 (est.)

>>

>> [Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]

>>

>> Comment:

>>

>> 1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon relationship of

>> Independence and Constitution as a " parallax " confirmation of the

>> effectiveness of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time moment 30 arc

>> minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the historically

>> derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional

>> relationship

>> I have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon history's

>> imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the historical

>> record only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from 4:00

>> pm

>> to 7:00 pm, and from that range point on it's all in the rectification.

>> However, for September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the

>> astrologer to within a 10 minutes range of the actual moment.

>>

>> 2) History has left us a much more detailed record of the adoption of the

>> U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787. If

>> a student cares to know, and does the research, it will be discovered

>> that

>> the Constitution's signing ceremony that Monday started just minutes

>> after

>> 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting with the

>> Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28

>> minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure

>> from 3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal

>> determination carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing

>> else,

>> this tells me Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by

>> my derivation.

>>

>> 3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of the sovereign

>> Independence of the American people and the establishment of " a more

>> perfect union " under the nation's second constitution is undeniable. A

>> constitution is after all a sovereign's " right to government " . I can see

>> nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon sharing exactly or almost

>> so the Constitution's Lagna; as conception presages birth. In the context

>> of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is the one and only date.

>> However, in the context of the birth of the revised powers of the U.S.

>> government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in this context)

>> is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth. That's

>> what I believe that relationship represents.

>>

>> 4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just one PLEASE: please

>> don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S. Constitution's

>> birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm sure the

>> person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the

>> historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming

>> to mind. Enough!

>>

>> Conclusion:

>>

>> Frankly what I have related in this message only increases my confidence

>> in Jorge's accuracy on the USA birthchart. I do not doubt that he has

>> employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have introduced for

>> consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not a

>> rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me

>> something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's

>> rectification. That confidence is high.

>>

>>

>>

>>

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