July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax View

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Dear John,

 

Thank you for your message.

 

It was easier and more interesting for me to

rectify the exact TOB than to prove it right to others.

 

Only time will tell.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

SAMVA

[sAMVA ] On Behalf Of JohnTWB

quarta-feira, 3 de Agosto de

2005 00:20

samva

July 2, 1776:

SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax View

 

 

First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for

tolerating my idiosyncratic walk thru a piece of the terrain of mundane

astrology in my previous posting..

Lest my previous posting may cause some

mis-understanding about my conception of proper astrological technique, let me

declare at the outset that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in

the body of my analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of

Independence, the subject of my previous message.

It has been offered a a means of doing

rigorous history while looking out for mundane connections. It is hoped

that serious astrology, employing SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I

shall call simply, a parallax view.

An illustration now:

Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the

birth chart for the USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal

day in question. By a variant of SAMVA " R & D " , and tried and

true trial and error, Jorge settled on, by rectification, the Lagna

15.Scorpio.30 which is at 16:48:05 hours.(Lahiri)

Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's

rectification for my explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a

consideration:

Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @

16:48:05 (rectified)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30

]

Now compare Jorge's work with the following

" un-rectified " Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:

USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]

U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @

15:28:06 (est.)

[Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]

Comment:

1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon

relationship of Independence and Constitution as a " parallax "

confirmation of the effectiveness of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time

moment 30 arc minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the

historically derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional

relationship I have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon

history's imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the

historical record only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from

4:00 pm to 7:00 pm, and from that range point on it's all in the rectification.

However, for September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the astrologer

to within a 10 minutes range of the actual moment.

2) History has left us a much more detailed record of

the adoption of the U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on

September 17, 1787. If a student cares to know, and does the research, it will

be discovered that the Constitution's signing ceremony that Monday started just

minutes after 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting

with the Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28

minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure from

3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal determination

carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing else, this tells me

Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by my derivation.

3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of

the sovereign Independence of the American people and the establishment of

" a more perfect union " under the nation's second constitution is

undeniable. A constitution is after all a sovereign's " right to

government " . I can see nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon

sharing exactly or almost so the Constitution's Lagna; as conception

presages birth. In the context of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is

the one and only date. However, in the context of the birth of the revised

powers of the U.S. government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in

this context) is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth.

That's what I believe that relationship represents.

4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just

one PLEASE: please don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S.

Constitution's birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm

sure the person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the

historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming to

mind. Enough!

Conclusion:

Frankly what I have related in this message only

increases my confidence in Jorge's accuracy on the USA birthchart. I do not

doubt that he has employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have

introduced for consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not

a rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me

something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's

rectification. That confidence is high.

 

 

 

 

 

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both doing thankless tasks in the spirit of sharing and caring

And thankyou ji

may the Almighty's blessing be the reward to all

iverJohnTWB <jtwbjakarta wrote:

 

 

First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for tolerating my idiosyncratic walk thru a piece of the terrain of mundane astrology in my previous posting..

Lest my previous posting may cause some mis-understanding about my conception of proper astrological technique, let me declare at the outset that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in the body of my analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, the subject of my previous message.

It has been offered a a means of doing rigorous history while looking out for mundane connections. It is hoped that serious astrology, employing SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I shall call simply, a parallax view.

An illustration now:

Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the birth chart for the USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal day in question. By a variant of SAMVA "R & D", and tried and true trial and error, Jorge settled on, by rectification, the Lagna 15.Scorpio.30 which is at 16:48:05 hours.(Lahiri)

Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's rectification for my explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a consideration:

Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:48:05 (rectified)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30 ]

Now compare Jorge's work with the following "un-rectified" Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:

USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]

U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @ 15:28:06 (est.)

[Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]

Comment:

1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon relationship of Independence and Constitution as a "parallax" confirmation of the effectiveness of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time moment 30 arc minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the historically derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional relationship I have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon history's imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the historical record only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm, and from that range point on it's all in the rectification. However, for September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the astrologer to within a 10 minutes range of the actual moment.

2) History has left us a much more detailed record of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787. If a student cares to know, and does the research, it will be discovered that the Constitution's signing ceremony that Monday started just minutes after 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting with the Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28 minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure from 3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal determination carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing else, this tells me Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by my derivation.

3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of the sovereign Independence of the American people and the establishment of "a more perfect union" under the nation's second constitution is undeniable. A constitution is after all a sovereign's "right to government". I can see nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon sharing exactly or almost so the Constitution's Lagna; as conception presages birth. In the context of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is the one and only date. However, in the context of the birth of the revised powers of the U.S. government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in this context) is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth. That's what I believe that relationship represents.

4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just one PLEASE: please don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S. Constitution's birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm sure the person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming to mind. Enough!

Conclusion:

Frankly what I have related in this message only increases my confidence in Jorge's accuracy on the USA birthchart. I do not doubt that he has employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have introduced for consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not a rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's rectification. That confidence is high.

 

 

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Dear Iver,

 

Thank you for your good wishes.

 

All the best to you,

 

Jorge

 

 

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iver

quarta-feira, 3 de Agosto de

2005 06:19

SAMVA

Re: July 2, 1776:

SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax View

 

 

hats off to our champion

researcher (John) and heartfelt congratulations to our skipper (Jorge) !

 

 

both doing thankless

tasks in the spirit of sharing and caring

 

 

And thankyou Professor

Choudhry ji

 

 

may the Almighty's

blessing be the reward to all

 

 

iver

 

JohnTWB

<jtwbjakarta wrote:

 

 

 

First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for

tolerating my idiosyncratic walk thru a piece of the terrain of mundane

astrology in my previous posting..

Lest my previous posting may cause some

mis-understanding about my conception of proper astrological technique, let me

declare at the outset that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in

the body of my analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of

Independence, the subject of my previous message.

It has been offered a a means of doing

rigorous history while looking out for mundane connections. It is hoped

that serious astrology, employing SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I

shall call simply, a parallax view.

An illustration now:

Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the

birth chart for the USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal

day in question. By a variant of SAMVA " R & D " , and tried and

true trial and error, Jorge settled on, by rectification, the Lagna

15.Scorpio.30 which is at 16:48:05 hours.(Lahiri)

Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's

rectification for my explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a

consideration:

Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @

16:48:05 (rectified)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30

]

Now compare Jorge's work with the following

" un-rectified " Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:

USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)

[ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]

U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @

15:28:06 (est.)

[Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]

Comment:

1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon

relationship of Independence and Constitution as a " parallax " confirmation

of the effectiveness of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time moment 30

arc minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the historically

derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional relationship I

have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon history's

imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the historical record

only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm,

and from that range point on it's all in the rectification. However, for

September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the astrologer to within a

10 minutes range of the actual moment.

2) History has left us a much more detailed record of

the adoption of the U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on

September 17, 1787. If a student cares to know, and does the research, it will

be discovered that the Constitution's signing ceremony that Monday started just

minutes after 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting

with the Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28

minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure from

3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal determination

carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing else, this tells me

Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by my derivation.

3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of

the sovereign Independence of the American people and the establishment of

" a more perfect union " under the nation's second constitution is

undeniable. A constitution is after all a sovereign's " right to

government " . I can see nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon

sharing exactly or almost so the Constitution's Lagna; as conception

presages birth. In the context of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is

the one and only date. However, in the context of the birth of the revised

powers of the U.S. government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in

this context) is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth.

That's what I believe that relationship represents.

4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just

one PLEASE: please don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S.

Constitution's birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm

sure the person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the

historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming to

mind. Enough!

Conclusion:

Frankly what I have related in this message only

increases my confidence in Jorge's accuracy on the USA birthchart. I do not

doubt that he has employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have

introduced for consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not

a rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me

something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's

rectification. That confidence is high.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello my dear John,

 

You are an honorable person and you have tried to help SAMVA and Mr. Jorge

Angelino a lot.

 

The inputs/suggestions/historical facts brought out by you are taken

seriously and we are thankful to you. Due to other exigencies I spend

limited time on SAMVA issues and rectification work. However, I am always

at the disposal of Mr. Jorge for any help and assistance.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

 

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" JohnTWB " <jtwbjakarta

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Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:50 AM

July 2, 1776: SAMVA Rectification Technique: a Parallax

View

 

 

>

> First, my thanks to Professor Choudry for tolerating my idiosyncratic walk

> thru a piece of the terrain of mundane astrology in my previous posting..

>

> Lest my previous posting may cause some mis-understanding about my

> conception of proper astrological technique, let me declare at the outset

> that there was no pretense to horoscopic rectification in the body of my

> analysis of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, the

> subject of my previous message.

>

> It has been offered a a means of doing rigorous history while looking out

> for mundane connections. It is hoped that serious astrology, employing

> SAMVA techniques, shall benefit by what I shall call simply, a parallax

> view.

>

> An illustration now:

>

> Jorge Angelino, our Group's moderator, researched the birth chart for the

> USA. He came to realize that July 2, 1776 was the pivotal day in question.

> By a variant of SAMVA " R & D " , and tried and true trial and error, Jorge

> settled on, by rectification, the Lagna 15.Scorpio.30 which is at 16:48:05

> hours.(Lahiri)

>

> Now I repeat the relevant components of Jorge's rectification for my

> explanatory purpose and to further illustrate a consideration:

>

> Jorge rectified U.S.A. birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:48:05 (rectified)

>

> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.23; Lagna: 15.Scorpio.30 ]

>

> Now compare Jorge's work with the following " un-rectified "

> Conception/Birth relationship I have uncovered:

>

> USA birthchart: July 2, 1776 @ 16:50:30 (est.)

>

> [ Moon: (2nd H) 07.Capricorn.24; Lagna 16.Scorpio.00 ]

>

> U.S. Constitution's birthchart: Sept 17, 1787 @ 15:28:06 (est.)

>

> [Lagna: 07.Capricorn.24; Moon: (10th H) 16.Scorpio.00]

>

> Comment:

>

> 1) I offer this reciprocal Moon/Lagna/Lagna/Moon relationship of

> Independence and Constitution as a " parallax " confirmation of the

> effectiveness of SAMVA technique. Jorge has recified a time moment 30 arc

> minutes (clock: 2 minutes, 25 seconds) earlier than the historically

> derived time for U.S. Independence in the hermetic functional relationship

> I have cited. Proper rectification is meant to improve upon history's

> imprecisions. Jorge has done just that. For July 2, 1776 the historical

> record only gets the mundane astrologer to the late afternoon from 4:00 pm

> to 7:00 pm, and from that range point on it's all in the rectification.

> However, for September 17, 1787 the historical record can bring the

> astrologer to within a 10 minutes range of the actual moment.

>

> 2) History has left us a much more detailed record of the adoption of the

> U.S. Constitution by Convention in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787. If

> a student cares to know, and does the research, it will be discovered that

> the Constitution's signing ceremony that Monday started just minutes after

> 3:00 pm. The adoption required 39 delegate signatures, starting with the

> Convention's President, George Washington. I have estimated 23 to 28

> minutes to completion. This yields a time frame for the moment of closure

> from 3:25 pm upto 3:30 pm.The above rendered Hermetic reciprocal

> determination carries a time of 15:28:06, as you can see. If nothing else,

> this tells me Jorge has hit the right rectification on the USA chart, by

> my derivation.

>

> 3) The metaphysical linkage, the cosmic connexity of the sovereign

> Independence of the American people and the establishment of " a more

> perfect union " under the nation's second constitution is undeniable. A

> constitution is after all a sovereign's " right to government " . I can see

> nothing more natural than the sovereign's Moon sharing exactly or almost

> so the Constitution's Lagna; as conception presages birth. In the context

> of the birthchart of the USA, July 2, 1776 is the one and only date.

> However, in the context of the birth of the revised powers of the U.S.

> government under the second Constitution, July 2nd 1776 (in this context)

> is the moment of conception for the Constitution's later birth. That's

> what I believe that relationship represents.

>

> 4) Readers can fill in the blanks from here on. Just one PLEASE: please

> don't write to tell me that AstroDatabank lists the U.S. Constitution's

> birth Chart as rectified for a late morning time moment. I'm sure the

> person who chose that rectification is not much of a student of the

> historical scholarship, to keep it polite. Something much ruder is coming

> to mind. Enough!

>

> Conclusion:

>

> Frankly what I have related in this message only increases my confidence

> in Jorge's accuracy on the USA birthchart. I do not doubt that he has

> employed SAMVA technique to excellent effect. What I have introduced for

> consideration is not a substitute for SAMVA technique. It is not a

> rectification technique, at all; FULL STOP. But it sure in hell tells me

> something about the level of confidence I ought to have in Jorge's

> rectification. That confidence is high.

>

>

>

>

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