Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - Mikhail Gorbachev is pressing world leaders to adopt a treaty guaranteeing clean water and sanitation for their people, a task he says is more daunting than ending the nuclear arms race during the Cold War. AP Photo Dwindling water supplies and political resistance have hampered efforts to bring fresh water to poor people around the world, the former Soviet leader said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. " We were able to solve the nuclear arms race because of ... political will, " he said before an awards banquet held by his American environmental group, Global Green USA. " Today we don't see that political will. But I think it will emerge that leaders will have to address this problem. " Gorbachev will call for a first-ever international water treaty during an April 21 keynote address to the U.N. Commission on Sustainable Development. He envisions a binding agreement that makes access to water and basic sanitation a human right, holds nations responsible for providing it, and governs how freshwater resources are managed and shared. A petition campaign he launched March 22 aims to pressure governments to begin negotiations that would produce the covenant. Gorbachev, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who led the Soviet Union for six years until its 1991 collapse, founded Green Cross International in 1993 to encourage business, government and non-governmental organizations to collaborate and find solutions to environmental problems. About 2.5 billion people worldwide lack water sanitation services, and 5 million die from waterborne diseases each year, according to Global Green USA, the American arm of Green Cross. Nearly 1.2 billion people do not have clean water to drink. http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & cid=519 & ncid=718 & e=8 & u=/ap/20050416/ap_on_re_us/gorbachev_water Dear List Members, Natal Chart is not rectified. Data is from http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/8DWcmc8yN3M6.htm Best wishes, satva Jorge Angelino Rua da Sociedade Filarmónica Perpétua Azeitonense, 29 2925-598 Azeitão Portugal jorge.angelino tel: mobile: 210813674 963916784 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Dear Jorge, Gorbachev birth data seems to be taken with cautiousness (DD or Dirty data). Anyway, here is what Astrodatabank has to say about his birth time, if this may help you in your researches and rectifications: -- begin quote -- David Fisher quotes a French paper, "Gorbatchev, qui vient de terminer sa visite en France, est ne le 2 Mars, at 20:30, a Primanovlie, d'apres ce qui fut publie dans le New York Times au moment de son arrivee auj pouvoir. Leander Smith rectifie de theme pour 20:23 (16:23 UT). [Gorbachev, who just finished his visit in France, is born on march 2, at 20h30, at Primanovlie -Privolnoye-, according to what was published in the "New York Time" at the moment of his arrival in power. Leander Smith rectifie his chart to 20h23 (16h3 UT) -Hope this translation is correct!-] Zip Dobyns "Asteroid World" Winter/1990 quotes Farida Asadullina from "a high official in Moscow" for 7:33 AM ST-3 Zone. Edith Custer in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 quotes Asadullina "from a close friend of Gorbachev, 7:53 AM.Bill Meridian sends a copy of the booklet from The Russian Astrological Center, Sirius, PO Box 24, 123514 Moscow, with a time of 7:53 AM ST-3 Zone, 45 N.18, 42 E.40.International Atlas has two Privolnoje. Steinbrecher gives Prilolnoye, Stavropol as Zone 3 Daylight, 45 N.02, 41 E.59. The coordinated have also been stated as 50 N.57, 46 E.06.Albert Timashev emailed on 3/17/1998, "As I know, it was -4 hours. At 2/09/1931 the new bounds of time zones in Sabian Symbols were brought into use but they did not touch the time zone of Stavropol. And before the decree time of 6/16/1930 of minus one hour was brought in use, this touched Stavropol. After 12/01/1956 the time zone in Stavropol was minus three again, as before 6/16/1930."Beth Koch quotes Evie Tishelman who went to Russia in early 1990 and met with Russian astrologers who use 10:16 AM.Lescaut gives 2:00 AM as "personal."David Fisher reports in 5/1990 that the FAA Journal in Australia gives 3:00 PM, ST-3 Zone.Marc Penfield in Mercury Hour 4/1990 quotes Ry Redd in "True Astrology Forecast" for 3:08 PM. Nick Sutherland in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 quoted Karl Weber in "Hamburger Hefte 1/1990 for 12:08:35 GMT and adds that two others arrived at a similar time, "just past noon." Weber was also able to locate Privolnoye on an Operational Navigation Chart ONC F-4, of 45 N.55, 41 E.18.David Meadows of England in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 rectified the time to 11:44 AM GMT with Astro*Carto*Graphy.Karen Bolander-Claus has a birthplace of Krashogvardejsku, 45 N.51, 41 E.31. -- end quote -- ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Jorge Angelino À : SAMVA Envoyé : 16 avril 2005 01:52 Objet : Gorbachev Calls for Global Water Treaty BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - Mikhail Gorbachev is pressing world leaders to adopt a treaty guaranteeing clean water and sanitation for their people, a task he says is more daunting than ending the nuclear arms race during the Cold War. AP Photo Dwindling water supplies and political resistance have hampered efforts to bring fresh water to poor people around the world, the former Soviet leader said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. "We were able to solve the nuclear arms race because of ... political will," he said before an awards banquet held by his American environmental group, Global Green USA. "Today we don't see that political will. But I think it will emerge that leaders will have to address this problem." Gorbachev will call for a first-ever international water treaty during an April 21 keynote address to the U.N. Commission on Sustainable Development. He envisions a binding agreement that makes access to water and basic sanitation a human right, holds nations responsible for providing it, and governs how freshwater resources are managed and shared. A petition campaign he launched March 22 aims to pressure governments to begin negotiations that would produce the covenant. Gorbachev, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who led the Soviet Union for six years until its 1991 collapse, founded Green Cross International in 1993 to encourage business, government and non-governmental organizations to collaborate and find solutions to environmental problems. About 2.5 billion people worldwide lack water sanitation services, and 5 million die from waterborne diseases each year, according to Global Green USA, the American arm of Green Cross. Nearly 1.2 billion people do not have clean water to drink. http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & cid=519 & ncid=718 & e=8 & u=/ap/20050416/ap_on_re_us/gorbachev_water Dear List Members, Natal Chart is not rectified. Data is from http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/8DWcmc8yN3M6.htm Best wishes, satva Jorge Angelino Rua da Sociedade Filarmónica Perpétua Azeitonense, 292925-598 AzeitãoPortugal jorge.angelino tel: mobile: 210813674963916784 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Dear François, Thank you for your contribution. You are right. Better not to trust his TOB. In my opinion, what is more important in this news is the idea of a Global Water Treaty, in itself. We are coming to a period in history where the water can become more valuable than oil. Best wishes, Jorge SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Francois CARRIERE sábado, 16 de Abril de 2005 10:29 SAMVA Re: Gorbachev Calls for Global Water Treaty Dear Jorge, Gorbachev birth data seems to be taken with cautiousness (DD or Dirty data). Anyway, here is what Astrodatabank has to say about his birth time, if this may help you in your researches and rectifications: -- begin quote -- David Fisher quotes a French paper, " Gorbatchev, qui vient de terminer sa visite en France, est ne le 2 Mars, at 20:30, a Primanovlie, d'apres ce qui fut publie dans le New York Times au moment de son arrivee auj pouvoir. Leander Smith rectifie de theme pour 20:23 (16:23 UT). [Gorbachev, who just finished his visit in France, is born on march 2, at 20h30, at Primanovlie -Privolnoye-, according to what was published in the " New York Time " at the moment of his arrival in power. Leander Smith rectifie his chart to 20h23 (16h3 UT) -Hope this translation is correct!-] Zip Dobyns " Asteroid World " Winter/1990 quotes Farida Asadullina from " a high official in Moscow " for 7:33 AM ST-3 Zone. Edith Custer in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 quotes Asadullina " from a close friend of Gorbachev, 7:53 AM. Bill Meridian sends a copy of the booklet from The Russian Astrological Center, Sirius, PO Box 24, 123514 Moscow, with a time of 7:53 AM ST-3 Zone, 45 N.18, 42 E.40. International Atlas has two Privolnoje. Steinbrecher gives Prilolnoye, Stavropol as Zone 3 Daylight, 45 N.02, 41 E.59. The coordinated have also been stated as 50 N.57, 46 E.06. Albert Timashev emailed on 3/17/1998, " As I know, it was -4 hours. At 2/09/1931 the new bounds of time zones in Sabian Symbols were brought into use but they did not touch the time zone of Stavropol. And before the decree time of 6/16/1930 of minus one hour was brought in use, this touched Stavropol. After 12/01/1956 the time zone in Stavropol was minus three again, as before 6/16/1930. " Beth Koch quotes Evie Tishelman who went to Russia in early 1990 and met with Russian astrologers who use 10:16 AM. Lescaut gives 2:00 AM as " personal. " David Fisher reports in 5/1990 that the FAA Journal in Australia gives 3:00 PM, ST-3 Zone. Marc Penfield in Mercury Hour 4/1990 quotes Ry Redd in " True Astrology Forecast " for 3:08 PM. Nick Sutherland in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 quoted Karl Weber in " Hamburger Hefte 1/1990 for 12:08:35 GMT and adds that two others arrived at a similar time, " just past noon. " Weber was also able to locate Privolnoye on an Operational Navigation Chart ONC F-4, of 45 N.55, 41 E.18. David Meadows of England in Mercury Hour Ext 10/1990 rectified the time to 11:44 AM GMT with Astro*Carto*Graphy. Karen Bolander-Claus has a birthplace of Krashogvardejsku, 45 N.51, 41 E.31. -- end quote -- ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Jorge Angelino À : SAMVA Envoyé : 16 avril 2005 01:52 Objet : Gorbachev Calls for Global Water Treaty BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. - Mikhail Gorbachev is pressing world leaders to adopt a treaty guaranteeing clean water and sanitation for their people, a task he says is more daunting than ending the nuclear arms race during the Cold War. AP Photo Dwindling water supplies and political resistance have hampered efforts to bring fresh water to poor people around the world, the former Soviet leader said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. " We were able to solve the nuclear arms race because of ... political will, " he said before an awards banquet held by his American environmental group, Global Green USA. " Today we don't see that political will. But I think it will emerge that leaders will have to address this problem. " Gorbachev will call for a first-ever international water treaty during an April 21 keynote address to the U.N. Commission on Sustainable Development. He envisions a binding agreement that makes access to water and basic sanitation a human right, holds nations responsible for providing it, and governs how freshwater resources are managed and shared. A petition campaign he launched March 22 aims to pressure governments to begin negotiations that would produce the covenant. Gorbachev, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate who led the Soviet Union for six years until its 1991 collapse, founded Green Cross International in 1993 to encourage business, government and non-governmental organizations to collaborate and find solutions to environmental problems. About 2.5 billion people worldwide lack water sanitation services, and 5 million die from waterborne diseases each year, according to Global Green USA, the American arm of Green Cross. Nearly 1.2 billion people do not have clean water to drink. http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & cid=519 & ncid=718 & e=8 & u=/ap/20050416/ap_on_re_us/gorbachev_water Dear List Members, Natal Chart is not rectified. Data is from http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/8DWcmc8yN3M6.htm Best wishes, satva Jorge Angelino Rua da Sociedade Filarmónica Perpétua Azeitonense, 29 2925-598 Azeitão Portugal jorge.angelino tel: mobile: 210813674 963916784 Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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