Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 hi Jorge Thankyou ! Great job the rate at which u r rectifying these charts, shudn't be long b4 we'll run out of countries ! LOL Thankyou ! If i am may request, could you please walk us thru any country's chart and show us how to rectify it or rather how you rectify it please ? would the same process be applicable to an individual ? Also would this same process be applicable to stock/share charts of companies or Share Index ? For shares since we have the ups and downs quantified into numbers would that help us at all ? Thanx in advance ciao Iver Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear List Members, This is the rectified chart of: ST. LUCIA The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS The rectification of birth charts is a two way process: Firstly for the rectification of the ascendant; and secondly for the rectification of the ascending degree. While finding out the ascendant is quite easy with the help of the planetary configurations (relationships) developed through close conjunctions, close aspects and placements, the determination of the ascending degree is a lengthy process and sometimes it can take about one year’s time after a preliminary hypothesis. To find out the ascendant: 1. Find out the close conjunctions of planets and see which functional malefic planet is afflicting which other planet or the most effective point of house(s). 2. If the native concerned is suffering on account of the significations of the house containing the mooltrikona sign of the said afflicted planet then the ascendant stands rectified. 3. In case it is not so, then the next or the previous ascendant is to be tried with reference to close relationships of the functional malefic planets or the most effective point of various houses. 4. This exercise is always recommended for the horoscopes where the ascending degree goes from zero to two or three degrees or from twenty eight to thirty degrees. This gives a sound footing for the rectification of the ascendant. To find out the ascending degree the following process is undertaken: This is based on the transit of the functional malefic planets over natal weak planets and over the most effective point of the houses where mooltrikona signs of weak planets fall. First of all, identify the weak planets, the functional malefic planets and the afflicted planets in a chart. Then see the transit position of functional malefic planets with reference to the ascendant over the weak natal positions. Note the houses where the exact conjunction or aspect is likely to be formed with the most effective point in the near future, specially the house(s) having mooltrikona sign of weak planet(s). Keep a watch at what degree the extreme unfavorable results are felt and note down the same for the purpose of rectification. To test whether the degree noted by you is the most effective point of the house you have to repeat this exercise at least twice with reference to the identified degree. If each time on subsequent occasions transit effects of functional malefic planets create unfavorable results at the degree identified, the degree of the ascendant will have to be modified accordingly. Roughly, one degree of ascendant means a difference of three to four minutes in the time of birth. Taking into account this degree of the ascendant and the tentative time, the birth chart will have to be reworked. This technique is very useful for: A) Identifying significant events likely to happen due to exact/close aspects/conjunctions of functional malefic planets with the most effective point of weak house(s)/weak planets. B) Identifying significant events likely to happen due to close/exact aspects/conjunctions of functional benefic planets with the most effective point of strong house(s)/strong planets. C) To answer queries of recovery from illness. D) To answer questions for expected favorable results if exact or close conjunctions/aspects occurring between natal positions and transit functional benefic planets are likely to take place in the near future. First of all, I collect as much events as possible related with the country, with precise dates, including the most probable DOB, TOB and POB, of course. Then is a matter of patience...it takes time. After finding the most probable ascendant, I am using another method learned in 1993 to pinpoint the exact rising degree. It makes use of the interplay between dashas and transits, and belongs to classic Vedic Astrology. Then I present the rectified chart to the list members, so that all of us can participate in a second phase of the rectification process based on the transit of the functional malefic planets over natal weak planets and over the most effective point of the houses where mooltrikona signs of weak planets fall. After some time, if we see that the chart is telling us what is happening, we take it as confirmed. If not, we will work it out again. This method is applicable to every entity. We just need to collect the related events, with precise dates, and work it out. Best wishes, Jorge del iver [deliver1900] sábado, 15 de Janeiro de 2005 11:27 SAMVA rectfication process hi Jorge Thankyou ! Great job the rate at which u r rectifying these charts, shudn't be long b4 we'll run out of countries ! LOL Thankyou ! If i am may request, could you please walk us thru any country's chart and show us how to rectify it or rather how you rectify it please ? would the same process be applicable to an individual ? Also would this same process be applicable to stock/share charts of companies or Share Index ? For shares since we have the ups and downs quantified into numbers would that help us at all ? Thanx in advance ciao Iver Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear List Members, This is the rectified chart of: ST. LUCIA The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 you are a true Champ Jorge thanx a million IverJorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS The rectification of birth charts is a two way process: Firstly for the rectification of the ascendant; and secondly for the rectification of the ascending degree. While finding out the ascendant is quite easy with the help of the planetary configurations (relationships) developed through close conjunctions, close aspects and placements, the determination of the ascending degree is a lengthy process and sometimes it can take about one year’s time after a preliminary hypothesis. To find out the ascendant: 1. Find out the close conjunctions of planets and see which functional malefic planet is afflicting which other planet or the most effective point of house(s). 2. If the native concerned is suffering on account of the significations of the house containing the mooltrikona sign of the said afflicted planet then the ascendant stands rectified. 3. In case it is not so, then the next or the previous ascendant is to be tried with reference to close relationships of the functional malefic planets or the most effective point of various houses. 4. This exercise is always recommended for the horoscopes where the ascending degree goes from zero to two or three degrees or from twenty eight to thirty degrees. This gives a sound footing for the rectification of the ascendant. To find out the ascending degree the following process is undertaken: This is based on the transit of the functional malefic planets over natal weak planets and over the most effective point of the houses where mooltrikona signs of weak planets fall. First of all, identify the weak planets, the functional malefic planets and the afflicted planets in a chart. Then see the transit position of functional malefic planets with reference to the ascendant over the weak natal positions. Note the houses where the exact conjunction or aspect is likely to be formed with the most effective point in the near future, specially the house(s) having mooltrikona sign of weak planet(s). Keep a watch at what degree the extreme unfavorable results are felt and note down the same for the purpose of rectification. To test whether the degree noted by you is the most effective point of the house you have to repeat this exercise at least twice with reference to the identified degree. If each time on subsequent occasions transit effects of functional malefic planets create unfavorable results at the degree identified, the degree of the ascendant will have to be modified accordingly. Roughly, one degree of ascendant means a difference of three to four minutes in the time of birth. Taking into account this degree of the ascendant and the tentative time, the birth chart will have to be reworked. This technique is very useful for: A) Identifying significant events likely to happen due to exact/close aspects/conjunctions of functional malefic planets with the most effective point of weak house(s)/weak planets. B) Identifying significant events likely to happen due to close/exact aspects/conjunctions of functional benefic planets with the most effective point of strong house(s)/strong planets. C) To answer queries of recovery from illness. D) To answer questions for expected favorable results if exact or close conjunctions/aspects occurring between natal positions and transit functional benefic planets are likely to take place in the near future. First of all, I collect as much events as possible related with the country, with precise dates, including the most probable DOB, TOB and POB, of course. Then is a matter of patience...it takes time. After finding the most probable ascendant, I am using another method learned in 1993 to pinpoint the exact rising degree. It makes use of the interplay between dashas and transits, and belongs to classic Vedic Astrology. Then I present the rectified chart to the list members, so that all of us can participate in a second phase of the rectification process based on the transit of the functional malefic planets over natal weak planets and over the most effective point of the houses where mooltrikona signs of weak planets fall. After some time, if we see that the chart is telling us what is happening, we take it as confirmed. If not, we will work it out again. This method is applicable to every entity. We just need to collect the related events, with precise dates, and work it out. Best wishes, Jorge del iver [deliver1900] sábado, 15 de Janeiro de 2005 11:27SAMVA Subject: rectfication process hi Jorge Thankyou ! Great job the rate at which u r rectifying these charts, shudn't be long b4 we'll run out of countries ! LOL Thankyou ! If i am may request, could you please walk us thru any country's chart and show us how to rectify it or rather how you rectify it please ? would the same process be applicable to an individual ? Also would this same process be applicable to stock/share charts of companies or Share Index ? For shares since we have the ups and downs quantified into numbers would that help us at all ? Thanx in advance ciao Iver Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: Dear List Members, This is the rectified chart of: ST. LUCIA The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Dear Jorge, I have a question.. I thought the date and time are publicly recorded already? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dear Sally, You are right. For many countries the date and time are already publicly recorded. Nicholas Campion did an excellent work collecting all of them, as you know. His book presents his researches and many contributions from astrologers all over the world regarding all the countries. It is really a great help for all of us, but what happens is that for the majority of the countries, several charts are presented as probable and he is not sure about which DOB to adopt, or which TOB to adopt. For some other countries, even the DOB is not presented (Portugal, for example). So what I am doing is to check country by country to see if his public recorded date fits with the national events/calamities or not. If more than one birth date or birth time is presented, I am rectifying to find the most probable date and time. And if none of the proposed birth dates explain the calamities, I am trying to do a deeper research on the birth/independence process of that country. Like that, step by step, I am gathering the national charts that in my opinion represent better each country, according with the SA principle: one country/one chart. Once available, this data will function in our list as a starting point for future predictions. Best wishes, Jorge -----Original Message----- Sally Spencer [sally234] segunda-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2005 06:41 SAMVA Re: rectfication process Dear Jorge, I have a question.. I thought the date and time are publicly recorded already? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Very good Jorge. Thanks. So isn't the time usually at midnight? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Sally, You are right. For many countries the date and time are already publicly recorded. Nicholas Campion did an excellent work collecting all of them, as you know. His book presents his researches and many contributions from astrologers all over the world regarding all the countries. It is really a great help for all of us, but what happens is that for the majority of the countries, several charts are presented as probable and he is not sure about which DOB to adopt, or which TOB to adopt. For some other countries, even the DOB is not presented (Portugal, for example). So what I am doing is to check country by country to see if his public recorded date fits with the national events/calamities or not. If more than one birth date or birth time is presented, I am rectifying to find the most probable date and time. And if none of the proposed birth dates explain the calamities, I am trying to do a deeper research on the birth/independence process of that country. Like that, step by step, I am gathering the national charts that in my opinion represent better each country, according with the SA principle: one country/one chart. Once available, this data will function in our list as a starting point for future predictions. Best wishes, Jorge -----Original Message----- Sally Spencer [sally234] segunda-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2005 06:41 To: SAMVA Re: rectfication process Dear Jorge, I have a question.. I thought the date and time are publicly recorded already? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS -- signature Sally Spencer Enlightened Living Services http://www.Devi3.byregion.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 For the new countries that were before under the British and the Portuguese, yes. For the ones that were before under the French, sometimes yes, sometimes no. For the ones that were before under the Spanish, usually no. Jorge -----Original Message----- Sally Spencer [sally234] segunda-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2005 08:43 SAMVA Re: rectfication process Very good Jorge. Thanks. So isn't the time usually at midnight? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Sally, You are right. For many countries the date and time are already publicly recorded. Nicholas Campion did an excellent work collecting all of them, as you know. His book presents his researches and many contributions from astrologers all over the world regarding all the countries. It is really a great help for all of us, but what happens is that for the majority of the countries, several charts are presented as probable and he is not sure about which DOB to adopt, or which TOB to adopt. For some other countries, even the DOB is not presented (Portugal, for example). So what I am doing is to check country by country to see if his public recorded date fits with the national events/calamities or not. If more than one birth date or birth time is presented, I am rectifying to find the most probable date and time. And if none of the proposed birth dates explain the calamities, I am trying to do a deeper research on the birth/independence process of that country. Like that, step by step, I am gathering the national charts that in my opinion represent better each country, according with the SA principle: one country/one chart. Once available, this data will function in our list as a starting point for future predictions. Best wishes, Jorge -----Original Message----- Sally Spencer [sally234] segunda-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2005 06:41 SAMVA Re: rectfication process Dear Jorge, I have a question.. I thought the date and time are publicly recorded already? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Iver, I am using for countries basically what teaches us in his books about “How to Rectify” individual charts: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH CHARTS -- Sally Spencer Enlightened Living Services http://www.Devi3.byregion.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Wow, that's a great perspective you have on history Jorge. Aloha and thanks, Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: signature For the new countries that were before under the British and the Portuguese, yes. For the ones that were before under the French, sometimes yes, sometimes no. For the ones that were before under the Spanish, usually no. Jorge -----Original Message----- Sally Spencer [sally234] segunda-feira, 17 de Janeiro de 2005 08:43 To: SAMVA Re: rectfication process Very good Jorge. Thanks. So isn't the time usually at midnight? Sally Jorge Angelino wrote: Dear Sally, You are right. For many countries the date and time are already publicly recorded. Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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