David Hawthorne's Kind Remarks & JULY 2nd 1776 Redivivus

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Hi David

 

Thanks for the encouraging words; as it's particularly gratifying for the very reasons you've mentioned. If I may re-phrase it abit, the coefficient of confidence in one's astrological judgements is much higher for having a high degree of confidence in the precise time of closure of the mundane event in question. Would that it were for all other historic moments of closure.

 

I knew from the moment I recognized that SAMVA takes seriously the researches on such possible alternative USA birth dates as July 2, 1776 and March 1, 1781, that I should make an effort to add value on the historical side, as it would benefit the process of finding a new astrological consensus on the right birthdate and time for the USA.

 

Now a meditation on the PREDOMINANT CONSENSUS: this paradigm consensus which long ago settled on July 4th, 1776. Historically I view this date as THE great Masonic mystery. Why a date of only rhetorical moment ? After July 2nd, the rest of the week's related events were simply after-the-momentous-fact engineering footnotes. For instance, Philadelphia spontaneously celebrated the vote for Independency on the the evening of July 2nd; on July 4th there was no such celebration. The anecdotes of the ringing of the Liberty Bell relate to the official celebrations on July 8th, not July 4th. John Adams wrote letters regarding July 2nd on the morning of July 3rd; and then only regarding the printing of the broadside on July 5th. About the events of July 4th, he wrote nothing at all in 1776. (Bear in mind that John Adams was a member of the Declaration's drafting committee, as

well).

 

The draft text of the Delaration was prepared largely by Thomas Jefferson and presented to Congress on Friday June 28th. The regularly scheduled Saturday work sessions on the 29th were suspended so that the Delegates could focus exclusively on appropriateness of THE TEXT. The two-fold decision to "Break-and-Declare" was debated from late morning to early evening on Monday, July 1st. The final vote to take the plunge, to break with the Crown and publicly declare it so by publicly distributed Broadside, came the following afternoon on July 2nd in the hour after 4:00 pm, the time of the opening of the "after-dinner (ie.lunch)" Congressional session for that day. (***The historical record is no more detailed on this matter, unfortunately***). The Text of the Broadside was altered, but in no substantive way, as the result of meetings on July 3 and 4th with another Vote on the final agreed "letter of the text" taking place some

time-moment roughly between 5:00 and 6:00pm (Easiest to just think Sun in the 9th House for this event on this day, in contrast to Sun in the 8th on July 2nd). On Friday, perhaps between 12:00 and 1:00pm, the Broadside was finally authenticated, in accordance with Hancock's order of the previous day. (which means here, crucially importantly, "NOT autographically signed".). That's right. Signing was done only starting on August 2nd. There were No Signatures on the 4th; No signatures on the 2nd. (And pleasssee....Don't e-mail links to this group showing all the myriad references to Hancock's signing on the 4th...The websites are numerous, their messages on this matter all the same, ALL MYTHOLOGY, every last one.).

 

July 5th was not only "Broadside Publication Day", but the Completion Day marking the first year that started with the July 6, 1775 "Declaration..Taking Up Arms". (Cited in Helen Boyd's book, which book for all it imperfections, has the best one page summary demolition of all the arguments for July 4th that I have thus far read anywhere).

 

The delegates themselves knew that from the moment the Vote of July 2nd was authenticated by the Chairman that afternoon, that the colonies were then and there "states"; for by definition this act of "Independency" was America's first sovereign act, in its own right, of the United States in General Congress Assembled. Just a moment before these new "United States" were "United Colonies", as they had been from October 20, 1774 from the moment of the signing of the Articles of the Continental Association.

 

Also from this historic July 2nd moment, a CIVIL WAR that had started on Lexington Green in Massachusetts in April 1775 (if not at Boston Harbor in December 1773) had now become a REVOLUTIONARY WAR. No longer was this warfare a conflict with Parliament over where the determinative powers of American governance shall reside within the Crown's realm (a 10th House dispute, if you will) but henceforth a conflict to wrest American sovereignty itself as well from the Crown/Privy Council by the new and rightful owners, the American people.(An 8th House dispute, if you will). From that historic Tuesday afternoon of July 2nd the people of America were no longer at war just with Great Britain's Parliament; they were from that moment at war with Great Britain's monarchy as well. No longer wanting just to regain its historic "independence" from Parliament, America now wanted, all the more, absolute independency, a new sovereignty of, by,

for the people. Very strictly speaking, the historic independence of the American nation within and as part of the sovereign state of George II & III's Great Britain is traceable at least from the establishment of Georgia, the 13th colony, by the Privy Council of George II, July 1st, 1732. A series of Parliament-imposed restrictions on that historic independence, beginning in 1765, led to the dramatic events culminating first in armed conlict with Parliament, then in all-out intensity with the Sovereign itself. "Independency" became the watchword, no longer just governmental independence, but the sovereign independency of 13 new

STATES.

 

....P.S. By the way, In this paragraph I only wish to briefly summarize the very reasons why the Boyd Chart of July 6, 1775 fails as a USA Birthday; it goes like this: A Civil War is not necessarily a Revolutionary War; A Conflict over governance is not necessarily a conflict over sovereignty; the cosmic forces of the 10th House are not those of the 8th House. 11:00am/12:00noon on July 6, 1775 carries a different order of significance, than does 4:00pm/5:00pm on July 2, 1776. July 6, 1775 is no more than a significant pre-natal mundane moment.

 

Having digressed enough in this message I remain still at a loss to account for the mysticism surrounding the historic official choice of July 4th, not July 2nd, to commemorate AMERICAN INDEPENDENCY.

 

So read my next message, a Link, that offers up a thread of an idea that's roughly 16,000 years old; perhaps just a clue for the reading...

 

Best wishes, John

 

David Hawthorne <david wrote:

 

Dear John...

 

Thank you for all your contributing efforts to the cause.

 

This is really good information.

 

I think SAMVA members, such as Thor, Jorge and you are going to be able to absolutely pinpoint the best chart for the USA.

 

It will be like the tumblers of a great vault falling into place, and we will be able to help ourselves to riches and invaluables.

 

Keep up the great work.

 

Best wishes, David Hawthorne, M.S., J.B.President, IIPAhttp://www.iipa.net

 

-

John TWB

SAMVA

Monday, November 15, 2004 9:48 AM

March 1, 1781 @ 12:00 noon, Philly. PA @ Ascendant in the 10th deg Gemini

 

Please review this message in its entirety if you wish to familiarize yourself with what actually happened in the main during the ratification proceedings of the Articles of Confedration on March 1, 1781.

 

The correct rectified time is 12:00 noon for the moment of closure. If one reads to the end it becomes clear that at 3:19 pm that day the Confederation of the USA was already three hours and 19 minutes old, and also that at that same mid-afternoon moment the members of Congress were at the home of Samuel Huntington, President of the Congress, where a celebratory dinner (as in "lunch") was well underway, having started at 2:00 pm.

 

That dog named Ascendant in the 21st deg Cancer just won't hunt no more. So let's just let him be.

 

Regards, John

 

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

MONDAY,, FEBRUARY 12, 1781.

Mr. Daniel Carroll, a delegate for the State of Maryland, attended and produced the credentials of his appointment, which were read, as follows:

Maryland, Annapolis 3 Feb. 1781.

We hereby certify that John Hanson, Daniel of St. Thomas Jennifer, Daniel Carroll and Richard Potts Esquires are elected Delegates, to represent this State in Congress for the year One thousand seven hundred and Eighty one.

Ja. Macubbin Cl. Sen.

F. Green Cl He Del.1

[Note 1: 1 The original is in the Papers of the Continental Congress, Maryland, Credentials of Delegates.]

The delegates for Maryland laid before Congress a certified copy of an act of the legislature of that State, which was read, as follows:

"An act to empower the delegates of this State in Congress to and ratify theArticles of Confederation.

"Whereas it hath been said that the common enemy is encouraged by this State not acceding to the Confederation, to hope that the union of the sister states may be dissolved; and therefore prosecutes the war in expectation of an event so disgraceful to America; and our friends and illustrious ally are impressed with an idea that the common cause would be promoted by our formally acceding to the Confederation: this general assembly, conscious that this State hath, from the commencement of the war, strenuously exerted herself in the common cause, and fully satisfied that if no formal confederation was to take place, it is the fixed determination of this State to continue her exertions to the utmost, agreeable to the faith pledged in the union; from an earnest desire to conciliate the affection of the sister states; to convince all the world of our unalterable resolution to support the independence of the United States, and the alliance with his Most Christian Majesty, and to destroy forever any apprehension of our friends, or hope in our enemies, of this State being again united to Great Britain;

"Be it enacted by the general assembly of Maryland, that the delegates of this State in Congress, or any two or three of them, shall be, and are hereby, empowered and required, on behalf of this State, to the Articles of Confederation and perpetual union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, signed in the general Congress of the said States by the honorable Henry Laurens, esq. their then President, and laid before the legislature of this State to be ratified if approved. And that the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual union, so as aforesaid d, shall thenceforth be ratified and become conclusive as to this

State, and obligatory thereon. And it is hereby declared, that, by acceding to the said Confederation, this State doth not relinquish, or intend to relinquish, any right or interest she hath, with the other united or confederated states, to the back country; but claims the same as fully as was done by the legislature of this State, in their declaration, which stands entered on the journals of Congress; this State relying on the justice of the several states hereafter, as to the said claim made by this State.

"And it is further declared, that no article in the said Confederation, can or ought to bind this or any other State, to guarantee any exclusive claim of any particular State, to the soil of the said back lands, or any such claim of jurisdiction over the said lands or the inhabitants thereof.

By the House of Delegates, January 30th, 1781, read and assented to,

By order, F. Green, Clerk.

By the Senate, February 2nd, 1781. Read and assented to.

By order, JAs. MacCubbin, Clerk,

Tho. S. Lee. (L. S.)"1

[Note 1: 1 This copy is in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 70, folio 453. It was also entered in No. 9 (History of the Confederation).]

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1781

Mr. [John] Hanson, a delegate for Maryland, attended and took his seat in Congress.

The delegates of Maryland having taken their seats in Congress with powers to sign the Articles of Confederation:

Ordered, That Thursday next be assigned for completing the Confederation; and that a committee of three be appointed, to consider and report a mode for announcing the same to the public: the members, [Mr. George] Walton, Mr. [James] Madison, Mr. [John] Mathews.1

[Note 1: 1 This motion was also entered in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9. (History of the Confederation.)]

(In Ronald E Heaton, MASONIC MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, 1965, page xi, the complete text in The Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9..quote: ”…Resolved that on Thursday next, at twelve o’clock, the final ratification of the Confederation of the United States be announced to the public...”

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

THURSDAY, MARCH 1, 1781

According to the order of the day, the honorable John Hanson and Daniel Carroll, two of the delegates for the State of Maryland, in pursuance of the act of the legislature of that State, entitled "An act to empower the delegates of this State in Congress to and ratify the Articles of Confederation," which was read in Congress the 12 of February last, and a copy thereof entered on the minutes, did, in behalf of the said State of Maryland, sign and ratify the said articles, by which act the Confederation of the United States of America was completed, each and every of the Thirteen United States, from New Hampshire to Georgia, both included, having adopted and confirmed, and by their delegates in Congress,

ratified the same, [which is in the words following:]1

[Note 1: 1 The words in brackets are in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9 (History of the Confederation) but not in the Journal.]

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the under signed Delegates of the States affixed to our Names, send greeting.

Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, did, on the 15th day of November, in the Year of our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina and Georgia in the words following, viz. "Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the states of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina and Georgia.

In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the state of Pennsylvania the ninth day of July, in the Year of our Lord one Thousand seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the third year of the independence of America.

On the part and behalf of the State of Maryland.

 

John Hanson, March 1, 1781,

Daniel Carroll, do

 

[Note 1: 1 The proceedings of this day with respect to the signing of the Articles of Confederation, the Articles themselves and the signers are entered in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9 (History of the Confederation), but not in the Journal itself. The Articles are printed here from the original roll in the Bureau of Rolls and Library, Department of State.]

Adjourned:

(Your SAMVA member, John TWB, estimates this adjournment to have been no later than 12:00 noon, as the Maryland Delegation were the last of four who hadn’t signed in ratification the engrossed parchment on July 9, 1778. The Delegates then proceeded to the public celebratory events described below in Rodney’s Diary)

Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 17 March 1, 1781 - August 31, 1781

Thomas Rodney's Diary

MARCH 1, 1781

[March 1, 1781] On Thursday being the first of March The Confederation of the United States was finally established in Congress To be perpetual, being first Considered and acceded to by the Legislatures of all the States. By a Signal given at the State House The Completion of this grand Union & Confederation was announced by Firing thirteen Cannon on the Hill And the same number on board Captain. Paul Jones Frigate in the Harbor. At Two O’clock the members of Congress, The members of the General Assembly of

Pennsylvania, the President and Council of that State, the officers of the Army in Town, the officers of State and a great number of Gentlemen waited on the President of Congress To Congratulate him on this occasion; And partook of a Collation prepared at his House for that purpose. In the evening there was a grand exhibition of fireworks at the State House, & also on board Paul Jones Frigate in the Harbor-And all the Vessels in the Harbor were Decorated and illuminated on this Occasion and great joy appeared in every Countenance but those of the Disaffected. MS (DLC: Rodney Family Papers). A continuation of a composite diary entry covering February 26-March 1, for which see Rodney's Diary, February 26-28, 1781.

Accounts of the celebration similar to the description recorded in Rodney's diary this day appeared in the Pennsylvania Packet, March 3, and the Pennsylvania Gazette, March 7, 1781.

Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 17 March 1, 1781 - August 31, 1781

Thomas Rodney to Caesar Rodney

Sir, Philadelphia. March 2nd. 1781.

Yesterday the Confederation was finally ratified and confirmed. (Later) at Two O’clock we had a collation at the President of Congress's. At five I dined at Mr. Thomas McKean with the President & the Vice President and Sundry members of assembly of this State and Sundry Members of Congress & others. Thus you hear this Situation is not without the flattering inducements of Good Company & Good Living. But as have not yet had it in my power to get lodgings to My Mind, have not yet been waited on by the Minister of France Whose Custom it is to wait on every member of Congress as soon as he Takes lodgings. As I may often communicate to you many things which ought not to be public I shall only request that you will always attend to such things as your own Judgment points out to be of that nature which may save me the Trouble of particularizing them. I am Vizt.

Thomas Rodney

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message correction: ......SORRY GROUP...MEA CULPA....My reference below to the late afternnon Vote on the Text of the Declaration on July 4th should read...Sun in the "7th" House..............

John TWB <jtwbjakarta wrote:

 

Hi David

 

Thanks for the encouraging words; as it's particularly gratifying for the very reasons you've mentioned. If I may re-phrase it abit, the coefficient of confidence in one's astrological judgements is much higher for having a high degree of confidence in the precise time of closure of the mundane event in question. Would that it were for all other historic moments of closure.

 

I knew from the moment I recognized that SAMVA takes seriously the researches on such possible alternative USA birth dates as July 2, 1776 and March 1, 1781, that I should make an effort to add value on the historical side, as it would benefit the process of finding a new astrological consensus on the right birthdate and time for the USA.

 

Now a meditation on the PREDOMINANT CONSENSUS: this paradigm consensus which long ago settled on July 4th, 1776. Historically I view this date as THE great Masonic mystery. Why a date of only rhetorical moment ? After July 2nd, the rest of the week's related events were simply after-the-momentous-fact engineering footnotes. For instance, Philadelphia spontaneously celebrated the vote for Independency on the the evening of July 2nd; on July 4th there was no such celebration. The anecdotes of the ringing of the Liberty Bell relate to the official celebrations on July 8th, not July 4th. John Adams wrote letters regarding July 2nd on the morning of July 3rd; and then only regarding the printing of the broadside on July 5th. About the events of July 4th, he wrote nothing at all in 1776. (Bear in mind that John Adams was a member of the Declaration's drafting committee, as

well).

 

The draft text of the Delaration was prepared largely by Thomas Jefferson and presented to Congress on Friday June 28th. The regularly scheduled Saturday work sessions on the 29th were suspended so that the Delegates could focus exclusively on appropriateness of THE TEXT. The two-fold decision to "Break-and-Declare" was debated from late morning to early evening on Monday, July 1st. The final vote to take the plunge, to break with the Crown and publicly declare it so by publicly distributed Broadside, came the following afternoon on July 2nd in the hour after 4:00 pm, the time of the opening of the "after-dinner (ie.lunch)" Congressional session for that day. (***The historical record is no more detailed on this matter, unfortunately***). The Text of the Broadside was altered, but in no substantive way, as the result of meetings on July 3 and 4th with another Vote on the final agreed "letter of the text" taking place some

time-moment roughly between 5:00 and 6:00pm (Easiest to just think Sun in the 7th House for this event on this day, in contrast to Sun in the 8th on July 2nd). On Friday, perhaps between 12:00 and 1:00pm, the Broadside was finally authenticated, in accordance with Hancock's order of the previous day. (which means here, crucially importantly, "NOT autographically signed".). That's right. Signing was done only starting on August 2nd. There were No Signatures on the 4th; No signatures on the 2nd. (And pleasssee....Don't e-mail links to this group showing all the myriad references to Hancock's signing on the 4th...The websites are numerous, their messages on this matter all the same, ALL MYTHOLOGY, every last one.).

 

July 5th was not only "Broadside Publication Day", but the Completion Day marking the first year that started with the July 6, 1775 "Declaration..Taking Up Arms". (Cited in Helen Boyd's book, which book for all it imperfections, has the best one page summary demolition of all the arguments for July 4th that I have thus far read anywhere).

 

The delegates themselves knew that from the moment the Vote of July 2nd was authenticated by the Chairman that afternoon, that the colonies were then and there "states"; for by definition this act of "Independency" was America's first sovereign act, in its own right, of the United States in General Congress Assembled. Just a moment before these new "United States" were "United Colonies", as they had been from October 20, 1774 from the moment of the signing of the Articles of the Continental Association.

 

Also from this historic July 2nd moment, a CIVIL WAR that had started on Lexington Green in Massachusetts in April 1775 (if not at Boston Harbor in December 1773) had now become a REVOLUTIONARY WAR. No longer was this warfare a conflict with Parliament over where the determinative powers of American governance shall reside within the Crown's realm (a 10th House dispute, if you will) but henceforth a conflict to wrest American sovereignty itself as well from the Crown/Privy Council by the new and rightful owners, the American people.(An 8th House dispute, if you will). From that historic Tuesday afternoon of July 2nd the people of America were no longer at war just with Great Britain's Parliament; they were from that moment at war with Great Britain's monarchy as well. No longer wanting just to regain its historic "independence" from Parliament, America now wanted, all the more, absolute independency, a new sovereignty of, by,

for the people. Very strictly speaking, the historic independence of the American nation within and as part of the sovereign state of George II & III's Great Britain is traceable at least from the establishment of Georgia, the 13th colony, by the Privy Council of George II, July 1st, 1732. A series of Parliament-imposed restrictions on that historic independence, beginning in 1765, led to the dramatic events culminating first in armed conlict with Parliament, then in all-out intensity with the Sovereign itself. "Independency" became the watchword, no longer just governmental independence, but the sovereign independency of 13 new

STATES.

 

....P.S. By the way, In this paragraph I only wish to briefly summarize the very reasons why the Boyd Chart of July 6, 1775 fails as a USA Birthday; it goes like this: A Civil War is not necessarily a Revolutionary War; A Conflict over governance is not necessarily a conflict over sovereignty; the cosmic forces of the 10th House are not those of the 8th House. 11:00am/12:00noon on July 6, 1775 carries a different order of significance, than does 4:00pm/5:00pm on July 2, 1776. July 6, 1775 is no more than a significant pre-natal mundane moment.

 

Having digressed enough in this message I remain still at a loss to account for the mysticism surrounding the historic official choice of July 4th, not July 2nd, to commemorate AMERICAN INDEPENDENCY.

 

So read my next message, a Link, that offers up a thread of an idea that's roughly 16,000 years old; perhaps just a clue for the reading...

 

Best wishes, John

 

David Hawthorne <david wrote:

 

Dear John...

 

Thank you for all your contributing efforts to the cause.

 

This is really good information.

 

I think SAMVA members, such as Thor, Jorge and you are going to be able to absolutely pinpoint the best chart for the USA.

 

It will be like the tumblers of a great vault falling into place, and we will be able to help ourselves to riches and invaluables.

 

Keep up the great work.

 

Best wishes, David Hawthorne, M.S., J.B.President, IIPAhttp://www.iipa.net

 

-

John TWB

SAMVA

Monday, November 15, 2004 9:48 AM

March 1, 1781 @ 12:00 noon, Philly. PA @ Ascendant in the 10th deg Gemini

 

Please review this message in its entirety if you wish to familiarize yourself with what actually happened in the main during the ratification proceedings of the Articles of Confedration on March 1, 1781.

 

The correct rectified time is 12:00 noon for the moment of closure. If one reads to the end it becomes clear that at 3:19 pm that day the Confederation of the USA was already three hours and 19 minutes old, and also that at that same mid-afternoon moment the members of Congress were at the home of Samuel Huntington, President of the Congress, where a celebratory dinner (as in "lunch") was well underway, having started at 2:00 pm.

 

That dog named Ascendant in the 21st deg Cancer just won't hunt no more. So let's just let him be.

 

Regards, John

 

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

MONDAY,, FEBRUARY 12, 1781.

Mr. Daniel Carroll, a delegate for the State of Maryland, attended and produced the credentials of his appointment, which were read, as follows:

Maryland, Annapolis 3 Feb. 1781.

We hereby certify that John Hanson, Daniel of St. Thomas Jennifer, Daniel Carroll and Richard Potts Esquires are elected Delegates, to represent this State in Congress for the year One thousand seven hundred and Eighty one.

Ja. Macubbin Cl. Sen.

F. Green Cl He Del.1

[Note 1: 1 The original is in the Papers of the Continental Congress, Maryland, Credentials of Delegates.]

The delegates for Maryland laid before Congress a certified copy of an act of the legislature of that State, which was read, as follows:

"An act to empower the delegates of this State in Congress to and ratify theArticles of Confederation.

"Whereas it hath been said that the common enemy is encouraged by this State not acceding to the Confederation, to hope that the union of the sister states may be dissolved; and therefore prosecutes the war in expectation of an event so disgraceful to America; and our friends and illustrious ally are impressed with an idea that the common cause would be promoted by our formally acceding to the Confederation: this general assembly, conscious that this State hath, from the commencement of the war, strenuously exerted herself in the common cause, and fully satisfied that if no formal confederation was to take place, it is the fixed determination of this State to continue her exertions to the utmost, agreeable to the faith pledged in the union; from an earnest desire to conciliate the affection of the sister states; to convince all the world of our unalterable resolution to support the independence of the United States, and the alliance with his Most Christian Majesty, and to destroy forever any apprehension of our friends, or hope in our enemies, of this State being again united to Great Britain;

"Be it enacted by the general assembly of Maryland, that the delegates of this State in Congress, or any two or three of them, shall be, and are hereby, empowered and required, on behalf of this State, to the Articles of Confederation and perpetual union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, signed in the general Congress of the said States by the honorable Henry Laurens, esq. their then President, and laid before the legislature of this State to be ratified if approved. And that the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual union, so as aforesaid d, shall thenceforth be ratified and become conclusive as to this

State, and obligatory thereon. And it is hereby declared, that, by acceding to the said Confederation, this State doth not relinquish, or intend to relinquish, any right or interest she hath, with the other united or confederated states, to the back country; but claims the same as fully as was done by the legislature of this State, in their declaration, which stands entered on the journals of Congress; this State relying on the justice of the several states hereafter, as to the said claim made by this State.

"And it is further declared, that no article in the said Confederation, can or ought to bind this or any other State, to guarantee any exclusive claim of any particular State, to the soil of the said back lands, or any such claim of jurisdiction over the said lands or the inhabitants thereof.

By the House of Delegates, January 30th, 1781, read and assented to,

By order, F. Green, Clerk.

By the Senate, February 2nd, 1781. Read and assented to.

By order, JAs. MacCubbin, Clerk,

Tho. S. Lee. (L. S.)"1

[Note 1: 1 This copy is in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 70, folio 453. It was also entered in No. 9 (History of the Confederation).]

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 1781

Mr. [John] Hanson, a delegate for Maryland, attended and took his seat in Congress.

The delegates of Maryland having taken their seats in Congress with powers to sign the Articles of Confederation:

Ordered, That Thursday next be assigned for completing the Confederation; and that a committee of three be appointed, to consider and report a mode for announcing the same to the public: the members, [Mr. George] Walton, Mr. [James] Madison, Mr. [John] Mathews.1

[Note 1: 1 This motion was also entered in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9. (History of the Confederation.)]

(In Ronald E Heaton, MASONIC MEMBERSHIP OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS, 1965, page xi, the complete text in The Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9..quote: ”…Resolved that on Thursday next, at twelve o’clock, the final ratification of the Confederation of the United States be announced to the public...”

 

Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789

THURSDAY, MARCH 1, 1781

According to the order of the day, the honorable John Hanson and Daniel Carroll, two of the delegates for the State of Maryland, in pursuance of the act of the legislature of that State, entitled "An act to empower the delegates of this State in Congress to and ratify the Articles of Confederation," which was read in Congress the 12 of February last, and a copy thereof entered on the minutes, did, in behalf of the said State of Maryland, sign and ratify the said articles, by which act the Confederation of the United States of America was completed, each and every of the Thirteen United States, from New Hampshire to Georgia, both included, having adopted and confirmed, and by their delegates in Congress,

ratified the same, [which is in the words following:]1

[Note 1: 1 The words in brackets are in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9 (History of the Confederation) but not in the Journal.]

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the under signed Delegates of the States affixed to our Names, send greeting.

Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, did, on the 15th day of November, in the Year of our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America, agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina and Georgia in the words following, viz. "Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the states of New Hampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, South-Carolina and Georgia.

In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the state of Pennsylvania the ninth day of July, in the Year of our Lord one Thousand seven Hundred and Seventy-eight, and in the third year of the independence of America.

On the part and behalf of the State of Maryland.

 

John Hanson, March 1, 1781,

Daniel Carroll, do

 

[Note 1: 1 The proceedings of this day with respect to the signing of the Articles of Confederation, the Articles themselves and the signers are entered in the Papers of the Continental Congress, No. 9 (History of the Confederation), but not in the Journal itself. The Articles are printed here from the original roll in the Bureau of Rolls and Library, Department of State.]

Adjourned:

(Your SAMVA member, John TWB, estimates this adjournment to have been no later than 12:00 noon, as the Maryland Delegation were the last of four who hadn’t signed in ratification the engrossed parchment on July 9, 1778. The Delegates then proceeded to the public celebratory events described below in Rodney’s Diary)

Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 17 March 1, 1781 - August 31, 1781

Thomas Rodney's Diary

MARCH 1, 1781

[March 1, 1781] On Thursday being the first of March The Confederation of the United States was finally established in Congress To be perpetual, being first Considered and acceded to by the Legislatures of all the States. By a Signal given at the State House The Completion of this grand Union & Confederation was announced by Firing thirteen Cannon on the Hill And the same number on board Captain. Paul Jones Frigate in the Harbor. At Two O’clock the members of Congress, The members of the General Assembly of

Pennsylvania, the President and Council of that State, the officers of the Army in Town, the officers of State and a great number of Gentlemen waited on the President of Congress To Congratulate him on this occasion; And partook of a Collation prepared at his House for that purpose. In the evening there was a grand exhibition of fireworks at the State House, & also on board Paul Jones Frigate in the Harbor-And all the Vessels in the Harbor were Decorated and illuminated on this Occasion and great joy appeared in every Countenance but those of the Disaffected. MS (DLC: Rodney Family Papers). A continuation of a composite diary entry covering February 26-March 1, for which see Rodney's Diary, February 26-28, 1781.

Accounts of the celebration similar to the description recorded in Rodney's diary this day appeared in the Pennsylvania Packet, March 3, and the Pennsylvania Gazette, March 7, 1781.

Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 17 March 1, 1781 - August 31, 1781

Thomas Rodney to Caesar Rodney

Sir, Philadelphia. March 2nd. 1781.

Yesterday the Confederation was finally ratified and confirmed. (Later) at Two O’clock we had a collation at the President of Congress's. At five I dined at Mr. Thomas McKean with the President & the Vice President and Sundry members of assembly of this State and Sundry Members of Congress & others. Thus you hear this Situation is not without the flattering inducements of Good Company & Good Living. But as have not yet had it in my power to get lodgings to My Mind, have not yet been waited on by the Minister of France Whose Custom it is to wait on every member of Congress as soon as he Takes lodgings. As I may often communicate to you many things which ought not to be public I shall only request that you will always attend to such things as your own Judgment points out to be of that nature which may save me the Trouble of particularizing them. I am Vizt.

Thomas Rodney

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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