Respected Gurujans -- ethics for astrologers - H8 Vs A8 (D24)

September 4, 2007

Rsspected Pram Sir,

Pranam,

I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want to

check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic astrology

and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his true

knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable. It

mean he is able to make an impression on others about his knowledge

of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

with regards

sushil dikshit

vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

<pramchopra1964 wrote:

>

> Dear Sushil

>

> God Bless U

>

> It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why don't

you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able to give

the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much learned

and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

>

> A Foresight Prince of India

> Pram Chopra

>

> sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit

> vedic astrology

> Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

astrologers -

>

> Respected Sir,

>

> Pranam,

>

> Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want that you

> should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

>

> Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil Singh

a

> Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji, Rafal

> Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He could not

> accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

before

> me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil ji. I

> put the same question after narrating the incident. At this point

he

> said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

>

> Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> DOB : 10.07.1974

> Time : 22.16

> Place : Mirzapur

>

> and the Challenge is

> 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> 2. Does he know tantras ?

> 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> Finally all these analysis should have astrological explanations so

> that he can judge the approach.

>

> I don't know whether I was right while praising great people like

> Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested all

of

> you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

>

> vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sushil

> >

> > God Bless U

> >

> > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give you any

> help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> >

> > Pram chopra

> >

> > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> astrologers -

> >

> > Respected Gurujans,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed a

> mistake

> > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

everthing

> to

> > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> astrology

> > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in unethical way

> > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was quite

> > correct.

> > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic ethics

we

> must

> > follow.

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> ____________ __

> > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > that gives answers, not web links.

> > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> >

September 4, 2007

Hare rama krishna,

dear sushil ji.

I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think it in

continuation of our chat which caused this question

==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he said,

" I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what scripture

is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my religious

scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it be

easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because then the

mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This belongs

to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the mind

will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three months.

How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very wonderful.

But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own feeling

is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I have

become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling wonderful. "

But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

authority from the past.

I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures. Rather, many

things which are against this technique are written. " His face became

sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it and to

continue it. "

==========

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

<sushil.dikshit wrote:

>

> Rsspected Pram Sir,

>

> Pranam,

>

> I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want to

> check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic astrology

> and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his true

> knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable. It

> mean he is able to make an impression on others about his knowledge

> of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

>

> Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

>

> with regards

> sushil dikshit

> vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sushil

> >

> > God Bless U

> >

> > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why don't

> you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able to give

> the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much learned

> and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> >

> > A Foresight Prince of India

> > Pram Chopra

> >

> > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > vedic astrology

> > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> astrologers -

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want that you

> > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> >

> > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil Singh

> a

> > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji, Rafal

> > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He could not

> > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> before

> > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil ji. I

> > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this point

> he

> > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> >

> > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > Time : 22.16

> > Place : Mirzapur

> >

> > and the Challenge is

> > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > Finally all these analysis should have astrological explanations so

> > that he can judge the approach.

> >

> > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people like

> > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested all

> of

> > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> >

> > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sushil

> > >

> > > God Bless U

> > >

> > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give you any

> > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > >

> > > Pram chopra

> > >

> > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > astrologers -

> > >

> > > Respected Gurujans,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed a

> > mistake

> > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> everthing

> > to

> > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > astrology

> > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in unethical way

> > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was quite

> > > correct.

> > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic ethics

> we

> > must

> > > follow.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > ____________ __

> > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > >

September 4, 2007

Sunil Sir,

Pranam,

I could not understand what you wanted to convey me. What should I

infer from this quote. Can you please elaborate a little more. I am

really very thankful to you for your learned guidance.

with regards

sushil dixit

vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna,

>

> dear sushil ji.

>

> I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

it in

> continuation of our chat which caused this question

>

> ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

said,

> " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

scripture

> is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my religious

> scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it be

> easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because then

the

> mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

belongs

> to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

mind

> will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

>

> I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

months.

> How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

wonderful.

> But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

feeling

> is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I have

> become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

wonderful. "

> But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> authority from the past.

> I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures. Rather,

many

> things which are against this technique are written. " His face

became

> sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

and to

> continue it. "

>

> ==========

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> >

> > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want to

> > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

astrology

> > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

true

> > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable. It

> > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

knowledge

> > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> >

> > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sushil

> > >

> > > God Bless U

> > >

> > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why don't

> > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able to

give

> > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much learned

> > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > >

> > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > Pram Chopra

> > >

> > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > astrologers -

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want that

you

> > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > >

> > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

Singh

> > a

> > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

Rafal

> > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He could

not

> > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > before

> > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

ji. I

> > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

point

> > he

> > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > >

> > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > Time : 22.16

> > > Place : Mirzapur

> > >

> > > and the Challenge is

> > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

explanations so

> > > that he can judge the approach.

> > >

> > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

like

> > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

all

> > of

> > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sushil

> > > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give you

any

> > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > >

> > > > Pram chopra

> > > >

> > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > astrologers -

> > > >

> > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed a

> > > mistake

> > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > everthing

> > > to

> > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > astrology

> > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in unethical

way

> > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was quite

> > > > correct.

> > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

ethics

> > we

> > > must

> > > > follow.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > ____________ __

> > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > >

September 4, 2007

Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or a

follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected over

centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us for

future life.

This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written in

the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you will

go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And whoever

is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

great leader.

Regards,

Harcharan

vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna,

>

> dear sushil ji.

>

> I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

it in

> continuation of our chat which caused this question

>

> ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

said,

> " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

scripture

> is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my religious

> scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it be

> easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because then

the

> mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

belongs

> to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

mind

> will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

>

> I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

months.

> How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

wonderful.

> But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

feeling

> is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I have

> become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

wonderful. "

> But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> authority from the past.

> I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures. Rather,

many

> things which are against this technique are written. " His face

became

> sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

and to

> continue it. "

>

> ==========

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> >

> > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> >

> > Pranam,

> >

> > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want to

> > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

astrology

> > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

true

> > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable. It

> > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

knowledge

> > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> >

> > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> >

> > with regards

> > sushil dikshit

> > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sushil

> > >

> > > God Bless U

> > >

> > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why don't

> > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able to

give

> > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much learned

> > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > >

> > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > Pram Chopra

> > >

> > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > astrologers -

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want that

you

> > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > >

> > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

Singh

> > a

> > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

Rafal

> > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He could

not

> > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > before

> > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

ji. I

> > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

point

> > he

> > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > >

> > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > Time : 22.16

> > > Place : Mirzapur

> > >

> > > and the Challenge is

> > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

explanations so

> > > that he can judge the approach.

> > >

> > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

like

> > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

all

> > of

> > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sushil

> > > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give you

any

> > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > >

> > > > Pram chopra

> > > >

> > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > astrologers -

> > > >

> > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed a

> > > mistake

> > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > everthing

> > > to

> > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > astrology

> > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in unethical

way

> > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was quite

> > > > correct.

> > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

ethics

> > we

> > > must

> > > > follow.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > ____________ __

> > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > >

September 4, 2007

Dear Harcharan,

If someone has learnt the vedic astrology well only from what our

rishis had written in vidic scriptures, is suffient. He will surely

be a good astrologer. On the contrary if someone tries to go beyond

their knowledge and he may be under illusion. Only the time will tell

whether he is perfect or not.

with regards

sushil dikshit

vedic astrology , " Harcharan " <jassalh

wrote:

>

> Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

>

> This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or a

> follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected

over

> centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us

for

> future life.

>

> This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

>

> Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written in

> the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you

will

> go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

> improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

>

> You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

> other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And

whoever

> is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

> great leader.

>

> Regards,

> Harcharan

>

> vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear sushil ji.

> >

> > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> it in

> > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> >

> > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

> said,

> > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> scripture

> > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my

religious

> > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it

be

> > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because

then

> the

> > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> belongs

> > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

> mind

> > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> >

> > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> months.

> > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> wonderful.

> > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

> feeling

> > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I

have

> > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> wonderful. "

> > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> > authority from the past.

> > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures.

Rather,

> many

> > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> became

> > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

> and to

> > continue it. "

> >

> > ==========

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want

to

> > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> astrology

> > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

> true

> > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable.

It

> > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> knowledge

> > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > >

> > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sushil

> > > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why

don't

> > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able

to

> give

> > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much

learned

> > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > >

> > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > Pram Chopra

> > > >

> > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics

for

> > > astrologers -

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want

that

> you

> > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > >

> > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

> Singh

> > > a

> > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

> Rafal

> > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He

could

> not

> > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > > before

> > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

> ji. I

> > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

> point

> > > he

> > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > >

> > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > >

> > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> explanations so

> > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

> like

> > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

> all

> > > of

> > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless U

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give

you

> any

> > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > > astrologers -

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed

a

> > > > mistake

> > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > > everthing

> > > > to

> > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in

unethical

> way

> > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was

quite

> > > > > correct.

> > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> ethics

> > > we

> > > > must

> > > > > follow.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards

> > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

_________ _

> > > > ____________ __

> > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > > >

September 4, 2007

Hare rama krishna,

dear sushil ji ,

I was waiting for 2 days to some body answer for u

How this event happened ,I was telling u some chart based on strentght

of the moon that the time taken for muhurtha is bad ,as no vedic hindus

take bad moon period unless until for tantrik sadhanas and special

muhurthas for some poojas .

Another thing u shud see in muhurtha as it shows a new begning and a new

birth chart for purticular event ,so following dasas is important ,

U take a marriage muhurtha or business starting muhurtha

see here what happened

U got a dasa at the begining of an event which is sani who is combust

and palced from lagna pisces in 6th who is with all lot of affllictions

..And who is 12th lord and 11th lord .

sani dasa generaly for 19 years ,so after deducting some if u take

balace after birth then let us say 15 years ,(as i dont hav that chart

now --may be a minor differrence may be there) ,then next dasa is of

mercury 7th lord and marka for lagna.And also in 6th in this

combination who just come out of combustion but with all this

afflictions .And next dasa is again of ketu in this cluster of

combination s ,so if i total now itself i am getting 39 years then u r

getting 20 years venus dasa who is 3rd lord and 8th lord for lagna and

vakri and palced in 5th house .so total years in 59 years .Then if u see

next dasa sun which is 6 years who is again in 6th house ( i agree own

house ) but afflicted and with sani and ketu .so 64 years ,then only a

dasa of benefic for lagna happenes .

This is one side of our discussions and i dont want to disclose many

secret methods i employed to see the strenght for a purticular muhurtha

..

so only based on dasa ( as dasas r givers of results in a chart)

I rejected it .I dont know its done by world famous man ,so u again come

back and told me that man challenged me >i told u that time itself

with theoreys in frnd of half learned students or those who dont hav

basic knowledge any one can argue any thing .

Here one group one famous astrologer took a natural benefic in 4th

house will destroy a marriage ,which is against dictums but he says

being 8th lord it shud be giving that results even if no major dasa of

it happening with in next 40 years .

so that is the level of arguement here .

ANother thing is that suppose i predicted for kid ,so to see the real

effect it may take 15 to 20 years ,so till shud we continue arguing or

what is solution ?.

So u told me to predict his chart as he challenged that way .I told u

squeesing predictions i dont like .Then if he wanna get any reading u

can ask him to write with me 1000rs DD .Again i told u it is not as

accepting as a challenege,i accept it as a consultation .

As astrology shud not be used for challenges or any personal greedy

purposes,I know u even told me u will pay me which i refused >it is not

because i am so rich to reject that money but on ethical grounds only .

U read prashna maarga ,varaha hora,prashna tantra and many classics

,its clearly written both duties of queriest and astrologers and to whom

to giv predictions .Even if king of the country comes without humility

and without gifts no astrologers shud open their mouth .It also written

that astrologer shud not be after money also .Means shud not be greedy

and reject genuine poor people it doesnot mean that u suffer rest of ur

life as u learned a noble sastra and predict for others >And also block

the growth of astro as no new generation will come seriously and took it

as a profession >even i got requests for free reading from big business

groups in delhi and outside run by indians >as indians has got a nature

to get cheated .Means they r indirectly asking me to do a free reading

and charge upay which is always may be 20 or 30 times than ur dakshina .

So thecrux of the problem is our attitude .Even i told u i dont want

reject rishis and get their curses as they only propounded a system for

humans in this world without patenting and getting any royalty ,so

atleast i must repect them .

Regarding the word for not being too much bookish means u cannot

explain with 2000 kinds of doctors or new diseases or equipments with

astro only with rishi horas >

Every one in astro was a revolutionary also ,if u see ,otherwise no need

of too much books in astro u need only one book . Even they asked us to

use our brains and kaala desa patra ,paristithi to explain things .

Now i think u may be more clear ,and i request u to stop any further

discussion here itself as u know i hav less time and think i am also a

human with same 24 hours like any body and i dont atleat pump replys

within every 3 minits.

And all this groups are not for free predictions its for teaching and

learning purpose only . so such mails shud come such a way .U can see i

never compete with replys with any body .

all the best to u

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

<http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

<sushil.dikshit wrote:

>

> Sunil Sir,

>

> Pranam,

>

> I could not understand what you wanted to convey me. What should I

> infer from this quote. Can you please elaborate a little more. I am

> really very thankful to you for your learned guidance.

>

> with regards

> sushil dixit

>

> vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear sushil ji.

> >

> > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> it in

> > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> >

> > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

> said,

> > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> scripture

> > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my religious

> > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it be

> > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because then

> the

> > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> belongs

> > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

> mind

> > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> >

> > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> months.

> > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> wonderful.

> > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

> feeling

> > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I have

> > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> wonderful. "

> > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> > authority from the past.

> > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures. Rather,

> many

> > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> became

> > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

> and to

> > continue it. "

> >

> > ==========

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want to

> > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> astrology

> > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

> true

> > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable. It

> > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> knowledge

> > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > >

> > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sushil

> > > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why don't

> > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able to

> give

> > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much learned

> > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > >

> > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > Pram Chopra

> > > >

> > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > astrologers -

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want that

> you

> > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > >

> > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

> Singh

> > > a

> > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

> Rafal

> > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He could

> not

> > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > > before

> > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

> ji. I

> > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

> point

> > > he

> > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > >

> > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > >

> > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> explanations so

> > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

> like

> > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

> all

> > > of

> > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless U

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give you

> any

> > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > > astrologers -

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed a

> > > > mistake

> > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > > everthing

> > > > to

> > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in unethical

> way

> > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was quite

> > > > > correct.

> > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> ethics

> > > we

> > > > must

> > > > > follow.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards

> > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > > > ____________ __

> > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > > >

September 5, 2007

It's an interesting series for all of us.

A talk of leadership following a quote given by some other person -

Good show of leadership, Indeed, This is out of box thinking.

A very good point of interest arises when the master itself is not

ultimate but perceived by others as master,The mistakes in OSHO's

interpretition of Vigyan Bhairava Tantra of Kashmir Shaivism is very

difficult to understand, The reverred tantra classic contains great

knowledge in it's occult formulae which is very difficult to

decipher, one needs to realize practically rather than discussing or

delivering speeches.

The follower joins a master under masster's impression, initially at

root level, things look right, deviation appears only after a level,

at some level, to understand a dictum u need to realize it

prcatically to do a crosscheck, As the followers has no idea of what

he is receiving, he innocently keeps following his master and

sometimes he w'd fight for his belief inculcated in his mind by the

master. So, where is the way out?

A student should be strong enough to express his opinions before his

Master, with respect in heart, He should ask the master why this sort

of contradictoy behavior, but most of the followers w'd leave the

path of exploring the truth and w'd link their identity with what is

said by their master and w'd start supporting the master even in

cases where master violates what he himself preeches.

This is not a new thing, This has been since the ages. Therefore,

it's better to follow the religion's teachings in real life than

following the interpretitions given by a master, once u r sure or ur

master makes u sure about his correctness, u can follow ur master.

In the history of indian spirituality, it's seen, these are the

masters who identified their able desciples to train them instead of

a desciple identifying the master. Why a true master w'd identify

you, because, true master wants true students, It's believed that

Aadi Shankaracharyas Guru waited around 900 yrs in a cave for birth

and arrival of his beloved desciple.

These days, most student are not clean in his heart, he himself is

not having genuine honor as well as desire to learn and realize

rather caught up in glamour of divine sciences, all what such a

student wants is not to improve himself, not to purge his karmas

rather his intension is to safeguard his gains like - wife, child,

promotion etc.

Such a clever student is destined to loose both the things, both the

worlds.He w'd not find a right master because he moves by the

glitterings, All that glitters is not gold.

This is my personal view, others may differ. Incidently today is

Teacher's Day. The Posting is dedicated to true teachers and true

students.

A. Sarman

vedic astrology , " Harcharan " <jassalh

wrote:

>

> Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

>

> This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or a

> follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected

over

> centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us

for

> future life.

>

> This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

>

> Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written in

> the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you

will

> go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

> improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

>

> You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

> other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And

whoever

> is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

> great leader.

>

> Regards,

> Harcharan

>

> vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna,

> >

> > dear sushil ji.

> >

> > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> it in

> > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> >

> > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

> said,

> > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> scripture

> > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my

religious

> > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it

be

> > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because

then

> the

> > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> belongs

> > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

> mind

> > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> >

> > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> months.

> > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> wonderful.

> > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

> feeling

> > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I

have

> > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> wonderful. "

> > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> > authority from the past.

> > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures.

Rather,

> many

> > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> became

> > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

> and to

> > continue it. "

> >

> > ==========

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > >

> > > Pranam,

> > >

> > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want

to

> > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> astrology

> > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

> true

> > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable.

It

> > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> knowledge

> > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > >

> > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > >

> > > with regards

> > > sushil dikshit

> > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sushil

> > > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why

don't

> > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able

to

> give

> > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much

learned

> > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > >

> > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > Pram Chopra

> > > >

> > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics

for

> > > astrologers -

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want

that

> you

> > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > >

> > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

> Singh

> > > a

> > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

> Rafal

> > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He

could

> not

> > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > > before

> > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

> ji. I

> > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

> point

> > > he

> > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > >

> > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > >

> > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> explanations so

> > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

> like

> > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

> all

> > > of

> > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless U

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give

you

> any

> > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > > astrologers -

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed

a

> > > > mistake

> > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > > everthing

> > > > to

> > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > > astrology

> > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in

unethical

> way

> > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was

quite

> > > > > correct.

> > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> ethics

> > > we

> > > > must

> > > > > follow.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards

> > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

_________ _

> > > > ____________ __

> > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > > >

September 5, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear sarman ji ,

Good post indeed esp on teachers day.

I dont know much abt vigyan bhairav tantra and osho s failure but many

points in ur mail is worthy to think and discuss.

Keep posted

Thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

<http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

vedic astrology , " akschharsmn " <akschharsmn

wrote:

>

> It's an interesting series for all of us.

>

> A talk of leadership following a quote given by some other person -

> Good show of leadership, Indeed, This is out of box thinking.

>

> A very good point of interest arises when the master itself is not

> ultimate but perceived by others as master,The mistakes in OSHO's

> interpretition of Vigyan Bhairava Tantra of Kashmir Shaivism is very

> difficult to understand, The reverred tantra classic contains great

> knowledge in it's occult formulae which is very difficult to

> decipher, one needs to realize practically rather than discussing or

> delivering speeches.

>

> The follower joins a master under masster's impression, initially at

> root level, things look right, deviation appears only after a level,

> at some level, to understand a dictum u need to realize it

> prcatically to do a crosscheck, As the followers has no idea of what

> he is receiving, he innocently keeps following his master and

> sometimes he w'd fight for his belief inculcated in his mind by the

> master. So, where is the way out?

>

> A student should be strong enough to express his opinions before his

> Master, with respect in heart, He should ask the master why this sort

> of contradictoy behavior, but most of the followers w'd leave the

> path of exploring the truth and w'd link their identity with what is

> said by their master and w'd start supporting the master even in

> cases where master violates what he himself preeches.

>

> This is not a new thing, This has been since the ages. Therefore,

> it's better to follow the religion's teachings in real life than

> following the interpretitions given by a master, once u r sure or ur

> master makes u sure about his correctness, u can follow ur master.

>

> In the history of indian spirituality, it's seen, these are the

> masters who identified their able desciples to train them instead of

> a desciple identifying the master. Why a true master w'd identify

> you, because, true master wants true students, It's believed that

> Aadi Shankaracharyas Guru waited around 900 yrs in a cave for birth

> and arrival of his beloved desciple.

>

> These days, most student are not clean in his heart, he himself is

> not having genuine honor as well as desire to learn and realize

> rather caught up in glamour of divine sciences, all what such a

> student wants is not to improve himself, not to purge his karmas

> rather his intension is to safeguard his gains like - wife, child,

> promotion etc.

>

> Such a clever student is destined to loose both the things, both the

> worlds.He w'd not find a right master because he moves by the

> glitterings, All that glitters is not gold.

>

> This is my personal view, others may differ. Incidently today is

> Teacher's Day. The Posting is dedicated to true teachers and true

> students.

>

> A. Sarman

>

> vedic astrology , " Harcharan " jassalh@

> wrote:

> >

> > Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

> >

> > This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or a

> > follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected

> over

> > centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us

> for

> > future life.

> >

> > This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

> >

> > Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written in

> > the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you

> will

> > go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

> > improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

> >

> > You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

> > other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And

> whoever

> > is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

> > great leader.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Harcharan

> >

> > vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna,

> > >

> > > dear sushil ji.

> > >

> > > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> > it in

> > > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> > >

> > > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

> > said,

> > > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> > scripture

> > > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my

> religious

> > > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it

> be

> > > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because

> then

> > the

> > > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> > belongs

> > > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

> > mind

> > > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> > >

> > > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> > months.

> > > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> > wonderful.

> > > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

> > feeling

> > > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I

> have

> > > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> > wonderful. "

> > > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> > > authority from the past.

> > > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures.

> Rather,

> > many

> > > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> > became

> > > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

> > and to

> > > continue it. "

> > >

> > > ==========

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pranam,

> > > >

> > > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want

> to

> > > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> > astrology

> > > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

> > true

> > > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable.

> It

> > > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> > knowledge

> > > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > > >

> > > > with regards

> > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > >

> > > > > God Bless U

> > > > >

> > > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why

> don't

> > > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able

> to

> > give

> > > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much

> learned

> > > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > > >

> > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > > Pram Chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics

> for

> > > > astrologers -

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want

> that

> > you

> > > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > > >

> > > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

> > Singh

> > > > a

> > > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

> > Rafal

> > > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He

> could

> > not

> > > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > > > before

> > > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

> > ji. I

> > > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

> > point

> > > > he

> > > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > > >

> > > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> > explanations so

> > > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

> > like

> > > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

> > all

> > > > of

> > > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards

> > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give

> you

> > any

> > > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > > > astrologers -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed

> a

> > > > > mistake

> > > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > > > everthing

> > > > > to

> > > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in

> unethical

> > way

> > > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was

> quite

> > > > > > correct.

> > > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> > ethics

> > > > we

> > > > > must

> > > > > > follow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ _

> > > > > ____________ __

> > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > > > >

September 5, 2007

Dear Sunilji,

The said messange was not from me and I found it signed as

A.Sarman which matches my signature also. I don't know the writer but

the article was good and that is in fact my view point too. I pass the

appreciation given be Shri Sunilji with my thanks to shri A. Sarman of

" akschharsmn " <akschharsmn@>

Regards

Sarman

vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna,

>

> dear sarman ji ,

>

> Good post indeed esp on teachers day.

>

> I dont know much abt vigyan bhairav tantra and osho s failure but many

> points in ur mail is worthy to think and discuss.

>

> Keep posted

>

> Thanks and regrds

>

> sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

>

> http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

>

> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair

vedic astrology , " akschharsmn " <akschharsmn@>

> wrote:

> >

> > It's an interesting series for all of us.

> >

> > A talk of leadership following a quote given by some other person -

> > Good show of leadership, Indeed, This is out of box thinking.

> >

> > A very good point of interest arises when the master itself is not

> > ultimate but perceived by others as master,The mistakes in OSHO's

> > interpretition of Vigyan Bhairava Tantra of Kashmir Shaivism is very

> > difficult to understand, The reverred tantra classic contains great

> > knowledge in it's occult formulae which is very difficult to

> > decipher, one needs to realize practically rather than discussing or

> > delivering speeches.

> >

> > The follower joins a master under masster's impression, initially at

> > root level, things look right, deviation appears only after a level,

> > at some level, to understand a dictum u need to realize it

> > prcatically to do a crosscheck, As the followers has no idea of what

> > he is receiving, he innocently keeps following his master and

> > sometimes he w'd fight for his belief inculcated in his mind by the

> > master. So, where is the way out?

> >

> > A student should be strong enough to express his opinions before his

> > Master, with respect in heart, He should ask the master why this sort

> > of contradictoy behavior, but most of the followers w'd leave the

> > path of exploring the truth and w'd link their identity with what is

> > said by their master and w'd start supporting the master even in

> > cases where master violates what he himself preeches.

> >

> > This is not a new thing, This has been since the ages. Therefore,

> > it's better to follow the religion's teachings in real life than

> > following the interpretitions given by a master, once u r sure or ur

> > master makes u sure about his correctness, u can follow ur master.

> >

> > In the history of indian spirituality, it's seen, these are the

> > masters who identified their able desciples to train them instead of

> > a desciple identifying the master. Why a true master w'd identify

> > you, because, true master wants true students, It's believed that

> > Aadi Shankaracharyas Guru waited around 900 yrs in a cave for birth

> > and arrival of his beloved desciple.

> >

> > These days, most student are not clean in his heart, he himself is

> > not having genuine honor as well as desire to learn and realize

> > rather caught up in glamour of divine sciences, all what such a

> > student wants is not to improve himself, not to purge his karmas

> > rather his intension is to safeguard his gains like - wife, child,

> > promotion etc.

> >

> > Such a clever student is destined to loose both the things, both the

> > worlds.He w'd not find a right master because he moves by the

> > glitterings, All that glitters is not gold.

> >

> > This is my personal view, others may differ. Incidently today is

> > Teacher's Day. The Posting is dedicated to true teachers and true

> > students.

> >

> > A. Sarman

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Harcharan " jassalh@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

> > >

> > > This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader or a

> > > follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected

> > over

> > > centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us

> > for

> > > future life.

> > >

> > > This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

> > >

> > > Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written in

> > > the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you

> > will

> > > go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

> > > improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

> > >

> > > You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

> > > other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And

> > whoever

> > > is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

> > > great leader.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Harcharan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > >

> > > > dear sushil ji.

> > > >

> > > > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> > > it in

> > > > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> > > >

> > > > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and he

> > > said,

> > > > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> > > scripture

> > > > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my

> > religious

> > > > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will it

> > be

> > > > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because

> > then

> > > the

> > > > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> > > belongs

> > > > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then the

> > > mind

> > > > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> > > >

> > > > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> > > months.

> > > > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> > > wonderful.

> > > > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His own

> > > feeling

> > > > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful. I

> > have

> > > > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> > > wonderful. "

> > > > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for an

> > > > authority from the past.

> > > > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures.

> > Rather,

> > > many

> > > > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> > > became

> > > > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do it

> > > and to

> > > > continue it. "

> > > >

> > > > ==========

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pranam,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as some

> > > > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned that a

> > > > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not so

> > > > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we want

> > to

> > > > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> > > astrology

> > > > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is his

> > > true

> > > > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable according to

> > > > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is knowledgeable.

> > It

> > > > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> > > knowledge

> > > > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards

> > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why

> > don't

> > > > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he able

> > to

> > > give

> > > > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much

> > learned

> > > > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > > > Pram Chopra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans --- ethics

> > for

> > > > > astrologers -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want

> > that

> > > you

> > > > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr. Sunil

> > > Singh

> > > > > a

> > > > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair ji,

> > > Rafal

> > > > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He

> > could

> > > not

> > > > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as challenge

> > > > > before

> > > > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and Sunil

> > > ji. I

> > > > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At this

> > > point

> > > > > he

> > > > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic astrology ?

> > > > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to politics ?

> > > > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> > > explanations so

> > > > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great people

> > > like

> > > > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I requested

> > > all

> > > > > of

> > > > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give

> > you

> > > any

> > > > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for reply.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics for

> > > > > > astrologers -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I committed

> > a

> > > > > > mistake

> > > > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I explained

> > > > > everthing

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics of

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in

> > unethical

> > > way

> > > > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was

> > quite

> > > > > > > correct.

> > > > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> > > ethics

> > > > > we

> > > > > > must

> > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> > _________ _

> > > > > > ____________ __

> > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch? refer=1ONXIC

> > > > > > >

September 5, 2007

Hare ramakrishna,

dear sarman ji ,

Yes first i thought its your letter as i know your deep knowledge

in many subjucts and assorted interests .Then i re check the id ,but who

ever is that i like his point by point writings ,so my appreciation .

i will mail u today in ur mail.

may god bless u

regrds sunil nair.

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

vedic astrology , " Sarman ANS " <anssarman

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunilji,

>

> The said messange was not from me and I found it signed as

> A.Sarman which matches my signature also. I don't know the writer but

> the article was good and that is in fact my view point too. I pass the

> appreciation given be Shri Sunilji with my thanks to shri A. Sarman of

> " akschharsmn " <akschharsmn@>

>

> Regards

> Sarman

>

> vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > Hare ramakrishna,

> >

> > dear sarman ji ,

> >

> > Good post indeed esp on teachers day.

> >

> > I dont know much abt vigyan bhairav tantra and osho s failure but

many

> > points in ur mail is worthy to think and discuss.

> >

> > Keep posted

> >

> > Thanks and regrds

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> >

> > http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/

> > <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/>

> >

> > pt.sunilnair@ <pt.sunilnair@

> >

> > vedic astrology , " akschharsmn " <akschharsmn@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > It's an interesting series for all of us.

> > >

> > > A talk of leadership following a quote given by some other person

-

> > > Good show of leadership, Indeed, This is out of box thinking.

> > >

> > > A very good point of interest arises when the master itself is not

> > > ultimate but perceived by others as master,The mistakes in OSHO's

> > > interpretition of Vigyan Bhairava Tantra of Kashmir Shaivism is

very

> > > difficult to understand, The reverred tantra classic contains

great

> > > knowledge in it's occult formulae which is very difficult to

> > > decipher, one needs to realize practically rather than discussing

or

> > > delivering speeches.

> > >

> > > The follower joins a master under masster's impression, initially

at

> > > root level, things look right, deviation appears only after a

level,

> > > at some level, to understand a dictum u need to realize it

> > > prcatically to do a crosscheck, As the followers has no idea of

what

> > > he is receiving, he innocently keeps following his master and

> > > sometimes he w'd fight for his belief inculcated in his mind by

the

> > > master. So, where is the way out?

> > >

> > > A student should be strong enough to express his opinions before

his

> > > Master, with respect in heart, He should ask the master why this

sort

> > > of contradictoy behavior, but most of the followers w'd leave the

> > > path of exploring the truth and w'd link their identity with what

is

> > > said by their master and w'd start supporting the master even in

> > > cases where master violates what he himself preeches.

> > >

> > > This is not a new thing, This has been since the ages. Therefore,

> > > it's better to follow the religion's teachings in real life than

> > > following the interpretitions given by a master, once u r sure or

ur

> > > master makes u sure about his correctness, u can follow ur master.

> > >

> > > In the history of indian spirituality, it's seen, these are the

> > > masters who identified their able desciples to train them instead

of

> > > a desciple identifying the master. Why a true master w'd identify

> > > you, because, true master wants true students, It's believed that

> > > Aadi Shankaracharyas Guru waited around 900 yrs in a cave for

birth

> > > and arrival of his beloved desciple.

> > >

> > > These days, most student are not clean in his heart, he himself is

> > > not having genuine honor as well as desire to learn and realize

> > > rather caught up in glamour of divine sciences, all what such a

> > > student wants is not to improve himself, not to purge his karmas

> > > rather his intension is to safeguard his gains like - wife, child,

> > > promotion etc.

> > >

> > > Such a clever student is destined to loose both the things, both

the

> > > worlds.He w'd not find a right master because he moves by the

> > > glitterings, All that glitters is not gold.

> > >

> > > This is my personal view, others may differ. Incidently today is

> > > Teacher's Day. The Posting is dedicated to true teachers and true

> > > students.

> > >

> > > A. Sarman

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Harcharan " jassalh@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Excellent Note Sunil Ji,

> > > >

> > > > This is what osho wanted to convey, either you can be a leader

or a

> > > > follower. Scriptures give us a foundation of knowledge collected

> > > over

> > > > centuries hard work by our great saints and leaders and guide us

> > > for

> > > > future life.

> > > >

> > > > This is what I understand from the quote of Osho:

> > > >

> > > > Being a follower, you will continue to practice what is written

in

> > > > the scriptures and try to achieve perfection. Being a leader you

> > > will

> > > > go one step ahead and think out of the box to further research,

> > > > improve and practice what is written in the scriptures.

> > > >

> > > > You can only come to know the differences between scriptures and

> > > > other techniques after practicing them to near pefection. And

> > > whoever

> > > > is able to find those missing links and relationships, becomes a

> > > > great leader.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Harcharan

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear sushil ji.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find this quote from osho may be interesting to u and think

> > > > it in

> > > > > continuation of our chat which caused this question

> > > > >

> > > > > ==================Just a few days before, a man came to me and

he

> > > > said,

> > > > > " I am trying your method of meditation, but tell me, in what

> > > > scripture

> > > > > is it given? If you can convince me that it is given in my

> > > religious

> > > > > scripture, then it will be easier for me to do. " But why will

it

> > > be

> > > > > easier for him to do if it is written in a scripture? Because

> > > then

> > > > the

> > > > > mind will not create a problem. The mind will say, " Okay! This

> > > > belongs

> > > > > to us, so do it. " If it is not written in any scripture then

the

> > > > mind

> > > > > will say, " What are you doing? " The mind goes against it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I said to the man, " You have been doing this method for three

> > > > months.

> > > > > How are you feeling? " He said, " Wonderful. I am feeling very

> > > > wonderful.

> > > > > But tell me... give some authority from the scriptures. " His

own

> > > > feeling

> > > > > is not an authority at all. He says, " I am feeling wonderful.

I

> > > have

> > > > > become more silent, more peaceful, more loving. I am feeling

> > > > wonderful. "

> > > > > But his own experience is not the authority. The mind asks for

an

> > > > > authority from the past.

> > > > > I told him, " It is not written anywhere in your scriptures.

> > > Rather,

> > > > many

> > > > > things which are against this technique are written. " His face

> > > > became

> > > > > sad. And then he said, " Then it will be difficult for me to do

it

> > > > and to

> > > > > continue it. "

> > > > >

> > > > > ==========

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rsspected Pram Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a learner yet so does not possess so much knowledge as

some

> > > > > > others in this group have. But as for as it is concerned

that a

> > > > > > person may be knowledgeable according to chart but may not

so

> > > > > > knowledgeable. Here I want to contribute one thing. If we

want

> > > to

> > > > > > check his knowledge in the field of cocult sciences (Vedic

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > and Tantra Sadhan) we should look into his 8H in D24. It is

his

> > > > true

> > > > > > knowledgeable and A8(Arudh Pada) would show his knowledge as

> > > > > > perceivable by us. So if he is not so knowledgeable

according to

> > > > > > chart. IT is true conclusion. If A8 shows he is

knowledgeable.

> > > It

> > > > > > mean he is able to make an impression on others about his

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > of astrology. In reality he does not have good knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Eleders are requested to enlighten me on my appoach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

> > > > > > pramchopra1964@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is again the matter of Believe Consequence Likewise why

> > > don't

> > > > > > you ask him to analyse chart of harcharan's matter if he

able

> > > to

> > > > give

> > > > > > the detail matter of analysis then the person is very much

> > > learned

> > > > > > and chart may be not showing the exact matters.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > > > > Pram Chopra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sushil.dikshit sushil.dikshit@

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 9:51:28 PM

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Respected Gurujans ---

ethics

> > > for

> > > > > > astrologers -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your have completely misunderstood the case. I don't want

> > > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > should leave the group and don't have any right to do so.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Acutally I was having discussion on astrology with Dr.

Sunil

> > > > Singh

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > Lucknow based astrologer. I praised a lot Mr. Sunil Nair

ji,

> > > > Rafal

> > > > > > > Ji, Mr. PVR Narsimha Rao and Shri Rath Saheb and you. He

> > > could

> > > > not

> > > > > > > accept their praise and put before me a question as

challenge

> > > > > > before

> > > > > > > me and told me to put the questions before Rafal ji and

Sunil

> > > > ji. I

> > > > > > > put the same question after narrating the incident. At

this

> > > > point

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > said it is against ethics to accept it as challenge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here are details of Dr. Sunil Singh

> > > > > > > DOB : 10.07.1974

> > > > > > > Time : 22.16

> > > > > > > Place : Mirzapur

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and the Challenge is

> > > > > > > 1. Whether Mr. Singh has good knowledge over vedic

astrology ?

> > > > > > > 2. Does he know tantras ?

> > > > > > > 3. Will he continue the profession or change it to

politics ?

> > > > > > > 3. Will he succeed in Politics and in which dasha ?

> > > > > > > Finally all these analysis should have astrological

> > > > explanations so

> > > > > > > that he can judge the approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know whether I was right while praising great

people

> > > > like

> > > > > > > Rafal , Nair , PVR and Rath or wrong. That is why I

requested

> > > > all

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > you to guide me about ethics for Vedic Astrologer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > > > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sushil

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you want me to quit from this group too. If this give

> > > you

> > > > any

> > > > > > > help I can give this fruit to you. Please waiting for

reply.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pram chopra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sushil.dikshit <sushil.dikshit@ ...>

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 3, 2007 8:22:25 PM

> > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Respected Gurujans --- ethics

for

> > > > > > > astrologers -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Gurujans,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pranam,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today I had personal chat with Shri Sunil Nair. I

committed

> > > a

> > > > > > > mistake

> > > > > > > > during talk with an astrolgoer of Lucknow amd I

explained

> > > > > > everthing

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Mr. Nair. He pointed out that I was not following ethics

of

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > in principle. He guided me not to use astrology in

> > > unethical

> > > > way

> > > > > > > > otherwise I will face the curse of Rishis. I felt he was

> > > quite

> > > > > > > > correct.

> > > > > > > > So I request all gurujans to guide me what are the basic

> > > > ethics

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > follow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> > > _________ _

> > > > > > > ____________ __

> > > > > > > > oneSearch: Finally, mobile search

> > > > > > > > that gives answers, not web links.

> > > > > > > > http://mobile. / mobileweb/ onesearch?

refer=1ONXIC

> > > > > > > >

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