Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. his is my first post as I recently joined.. First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation..the planet is required to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it is capable of.. Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never gets completely neutralized. The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the causes of agony.. Widowhood you say...Nay...Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the killer...other combinations would do that... Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace but finally has to go out of the world from his home. It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets behave a little differently for males and female nativities...perhaps it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to the general opinion prevailing here. Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will understand this: " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & #2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & #2337; & #2366;, & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is useless and the one next door is excellent)...that is the position of a Jataka.. So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter in the seventh.... Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 The devanaagari Jumle appearing below is : " Ghar ka Jogi Jogarha, Baahar ka Sidha " .. Thanks.... vedic astrology , " Shobhana Johar " <bhadrakaali wrote: > > Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... > > My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. > his is my first post as I recently joined.. > First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based > on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation..the planet is required > to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it > is capable of.. > > Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature > in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus > (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never > gets completely neutralized. > > The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how > Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. > > Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a > religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to > be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one > suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest > significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the > causes of agony.. > > Widowhood you say...Nay...Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the > killer...other combinations would do that... > > Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is > absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka > keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace > but finally has to go out of the world from his home. > > It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets > behave a little differently for males and female nativities...perhaps > it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female > nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to > the general opinion prevailing here. > > Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, > position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart > and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. > > Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires > for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very > introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting > next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at > home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will > understand this: > > " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & #2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & #2337; & #2366;, & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is > useless and the one next door is excellent)...that is the position of > a Jataka.. > > So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep > desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... > For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make > a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the > ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter > in the seventh.... > > Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, but I will share when I get it. My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native. May the gurus comment on this. Wishing all the best for everyone, Regards, Nithin Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali vedic astrology Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. his is my first post as I recently joined.. First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is required to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it is capable of.. Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never gets completely neutralized. The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the causes of agony.. Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the killer...other combinations would do that... Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace but finally has to go out of the world from his home. It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets behave a little differently for males and female nativities.. .perhaps it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to the general opinion prevailing here. Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will understand this: " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position of a Jataka.. So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter in the seventh.... 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 A small correction: >>My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native. I wanted to say that no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native with respect to marital pleasure. Allthough, the Jupiter in 7H of Gochar signifies marriage, it does not give good results in the Rasi/Lagna chart .. Wishing all the best for all, Regards, Nithin Nithin : <only_horizon_left vedic astrology Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:58:10 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, but I will share when I get it. My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native. May the gurus comment on this. Wishing all the best for everyone, Regards, Nithin Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali@ gmail.com> vedic astrology Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. his is my first post as I recently joined.. First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is required to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it is capable of.. Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never gets completely neutralized. The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the causes of agony.. Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the killer...other combinations would do that... Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace but finally has to go out of the world from his home. It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets behave a little differently for males and female nativities.. .perhaps it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to the general opinion prevailing here. Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will understand this: " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position of a Jataka.. So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter in the seventh.... 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 WELCOME SHOBANAJI…..WAS WAITING FOR YOUR COMMENTS IN THIS AUGUST GROUP…. Sri Sarann vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Shobhana Johar Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:12 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. his is my first post as I recently joined.. First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation.-.the planet is required to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it is capable of.. Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never gets completely neutralized. The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the causes of agony.. Widowhood you say...Nay...-Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the killer...other combinations would do that... Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace but finally has to go out of the world from his home. It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets behave a little differently for males and female nativities..-.perhaps it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to the general opinion prevailing here. Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will understand this: " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379;- & #2327; & #-2368; & #2332; & #2379;- & #2327; & #-2337; & #2366;-, & #2348; & #2366;- & #2361; & #-2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367;- & #2343;..- " (the Yogi sitting in the house is useless and the one next door is excellent)..-.that is the position of a Jataka.. So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter in the seventh.... Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release 8/31/2007 5:21 PM Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release 8/31/2007 5:21 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Aadaraniya Nitin ji and Learned Members, Om Ganadhipattye Namah, I fully appreciate the viws expressed by Nitin ji regarding Jupiter's position in 7th, if seen as a lone and single factor but it never happens that way...well, as one of the building blocks of teachings for a teacher or for an author explaining results of a planet in houses, segmented treatment is essential for understanding. But putting that as it is for application in not desired. A chart is an entity by itself...so all things have to be seen in combination..as a whole. Jupiter in Seveth and Moon in the first, fourth or tenth or Mars in the first or Sun in the third or eleventh..there are thousands of good combination I can quote... Suppose, the Seventh house has GL and HL..Suppose it is AL or UL. Suppose Venus is in the twelfth house when Jupiter is 7th...so this single factor should not occupy any one mind out of proportions.. that is my view... the other view that planets in seventh are generally bad is somewhat difficult to digest..Seventh house is very important house for many things..Refer to the teachings of great Rishi Jaimini..Maya has duality in every thing and it can not operate successfully unless it operates on duality in her trigunatmaka nature...It has to transgress up and down and it has always to present illusions. The results of planets in Ascent do not easily fructify unless it has a vibrating Seveth house..A man does not run unless a Lion or Dog is after him.the comparative strength of First and Seveth house becomes deciding factor in determining many important things..It is a house tenth from the tenth. It is your power to come out of the doors of your house and start dealing with the world outside.. In my opinion, thinking planets in the seventh as bad as a rule would not be sustainable...these are entirely my personal views.... Om Tat Sat vedic astrology , " Nithin : " <only_horizon_left wrote: > > Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, > > I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " > > By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. > > Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, but I will share when I get it. > > My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native. > > May the gurus comment on this. > > Wishing all the best for everyone, > Regards, > Nithin > > > Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali > vedic astrology > Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM > [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? > > > > > > > Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... > > > > My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. > > his is my first post as I recently joined.. > > First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based > > on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is required > > to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it > > is capable of.. > > > > Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature > > in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus > > (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never > > gets completely neutralized. > > > > The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how > > Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. > > > > Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a > > religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to > > be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one > > suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest > > significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the > > causes of agony.. > > > > Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the > > killer...other combinations would do that... > > > > Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is > > absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka > > keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace > > but finally has to go out of the world from his home. > > > > It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets > > behave a little differently for males and female nativities.. .perhaps > > it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female > > nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to > > the general opinion prevailing here. > > > > Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, > > position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart > > and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. > > > > Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires > > for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very > > introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting > > next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at > > home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will > > understand this: > > > > " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is > > useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position of > > a Jataka.. > > > > So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep > > desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... > > For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make > > a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the > > ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter > > in the seventh.... > > > > Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line- height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom:10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family:Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text- align:right;} > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white-space:nowrap;} > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text- transform:uppercase;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin:2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text- align:right;padding-right:.5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration:none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font- size:100%;line-height:122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%;} > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin:4;} > --> > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 *hare rama krsna* Dear Jyotisha, Yes, Guru is greatest benefic (prasna marga) and represents God. If in seventh bhava then it is excellent. All those who recognized some problems in marritial life must have naturally other doshas, most probably connected to Shukra, Upapada and Navamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Consultations & Articles: http://www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa Forum: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Shobhana napisa?(a): > > Aadaraniya Nitin ji and Learned Members, > > Om Ganadhipattye Namah, > > I fully appreciate the viws expressed by Nitin ji regarding Jupiter's > position in 7th, if seen as a lone and single factor but it never > happens that way...well, as one of the building blocks of teachings > for a teacher or for an author explaining results of a planet in > houses, segmented treatment is essential for understanding. But > putting that as it is for application in not desired. A chart is an > entity by itself...so all things have to be seen in combination. .as a > whole. > > Jupiter in Seveth and Moon in the first, fourth or tenth or Mars in > the first or Sun in the third or eleventh..there are thousands of > good combination I can quote... > > Suppose, the Seventh house has GL and HL..Suppose it is AL or UL. > Suppose Venus is in the twelfth house when Jupiter is 7th...so this > single factor should not occupy any one mind out of proportions. . > that is my view... > > the other view that planets in seventh are generally bad is somewhat > difficult to digest..Seventh house is very important house for many > things..Refer to the teachings of great Rishi Jaimini..Maya has > duality in every thing and it can not operate successfully unless it > operates on duality in her trigunatmaka nature...It has to transgress > up and down and it has always to present illusions. The results of > planets in Ascent do not easily fructify unless it has a vibrating > Seveth house..A man does not run unless a Lion or Dog is after > him.the comparative strength of First and Seveth house becomes > deciding factor in determining many important things..It is a house > tenth from the tenth. It is your power to come out of the doors of > your house and start dealing with the world outside.. > > In my opinion, thinking planets in the seventh as bad as a rule > would not be sustainable. ..these are entirely my personal views.... > > Om Tat Sat > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " Nithin : " > <only_horizon_ left wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, > > > > I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " > > > > By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the > natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus > being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend > of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. > > > > Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer > might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to > it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each > planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, > Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give > any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of > the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, > colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As > opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two > ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, > but I will share when I get it. > > > > My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good > results, either for male or female native. > > > > May the gurus comment on this. > > > > Wishing all the best for everyone, > > Regards, > > Nithin > > > > > > Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali@ ...> > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM > > [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... > > > > > > > > My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. > > > > his is my first post as I recently joined.. > > > > First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet > based > > > > on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is > required > > > > to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what > it > > > > is capable of.. > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful > nature > > > > in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus > > > > (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never > > > > gets completely neutralized. > > > > > > > > The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and > how > > > > Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a > > > > religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to > > > > be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one > > > > suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest > > > > significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the > > > > causes of agony.. > > > > > > > > Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the > > > > killer...other combinations would do that... > > > > > > > > Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is > > > > absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is > less)..Jataka > > > > keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace > > > > but finally has to go out of the world from his home. > > > > > > > > It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, > planets > > > > behave a little differently for males and female > nativities.. .perhaps > > > > it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female > > > > nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to > > > > the general opinion prevailing here. > > > > > > > > Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, > > > > position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart > > > > and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. > > > > > > > > Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive > desires > > > > for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very > > > > introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting > > > > next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at > > > > home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will > > > > understand this: > > > > > > > > " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; > & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # > 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in > the house is > > > > useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position > of > > > > a Jataka.. > > > > > > > > So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep > > > > desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... > > > > For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will > make > > > > a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the > > > > ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of > Jupiter > > > > in the seventh.... > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mkp{ > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px > 0px;padding: 0px 14px;} > > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line- > height:122%; margin:10px 0px;} > > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > > margin-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > > padding:0 0;} > > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;} > > --> > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > > font-family: Arial;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height: 122%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;} > > --> > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > clean, sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > #ygrp-text{ > > font-family: Georgia; > > } > > #ygrp-text p{ > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > font-family: Arial; > > clear:both;} > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > padding:0 1px;} > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > align:right; } > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > #ygrp-grft{ > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > #ygrp-ft{ > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > padding:5px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- > transform:uppercase ;} > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > font-weight: bold;} > > #ygrp-vital a{ > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > padding:8px 0;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > margin:0;} > > o{font-size: 0;} > > .MsoNormal{ > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > font-size:120% ;} > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > .replbq{margin: 4;} > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Respected Scholars of VA and Shobhana ji, Thanks ! There are a few things, I would like to clarify, with your kind permission. The views posted by Shobhana ji are doubtlessly right. There is no second thought on it. But I need to extend my views a bit further so as to not confuse the new learners of this subject. I had posted another post right after this post to suggest a correction. I knew it will cause confusion if I do not clarify. I was only focused on the marital bliss and happiness while writing my earlier post. I was talking about the Jupiter and other planets in 7H not being so fruitful for marital happiness. 7H is significant of Progeny, Internal Sex organs, second child, partnership, expenses on inherited property etc other than the marital success. Any planet may or may not give results with respect to the above Karakttvas of 7H depending on the other aspects of the chart. Also, if we see a chart as an entity (like Shobhana ji pointed out), it is not difficult to see it as a system, where every Bhava, Rasi and Planet has its own significance. About any given system of the universe, it is true that it is made of several sub systems and every sub system has a definite function of it's own. No functionality of a sub system can be neglected. I was talking about one such sub system (Ju in 7H) of the natal chart. I, in no ways, meant to rule out the consequences arising out of other planets, rasis and drishti. Let's take an example: Suppose, there is any given chart with whatever lagna. Now try to place each planet in it and consider it's significance for marital happiness. Please do not consider growth and success after marriage as marital happiness although it can add up to it. Just think of kalathra and place any planet ( even Venus ) in 7H and see what results we get w.r.t marital happiness. I understand that in any case, all of the planets will be bhaveshs of some bhava and we may want to attach their significance but I again would like to recall that we are analysing one aspect of chart in itself. Later we can extend this aspect in the light of other aspects ( Rasis, Bhavas, Planets ). Hope this makes the topic further clear. Wishing all the best for everyone, Regards, Nithin Shobhana <bhadrakaali vedic astrology Saturday, 1 September, 2007 6:11:03 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? Aadaraniya Nitin ji and Learned Members, Om Ganadhipattye Namah, I fully appreciate the viws expressed by Nitin ji regarding Jupiter's position in 7th, if seen as a lone and single factor but it never happens that way...well, as one of the building blocks of teachings for a teacher or for an author explaining results of a planet in houses, segmented treatment is essential for understanding. But putting that as it is for application in not desired. A chart is an entity by itself...so all things have to be seen in combination. .as a whole. Jupiter in Seveth and Moon in the first, fourth or tenth or Mars in the first or Sun in the third or eleventh..there are thousands of good combination I can quote... Suppose, the Seventh house has GL and HL..Suppose it is AL or UL. Suppose Venus is in the twelfth house when Jupiter is 7th...so this single factor should not occupy any one mind out of proportions. . that is my view... the other view that planets in seventh are generally bad is somewhat difficult to digest..Seventh house is very important house for many things..Refer to the teachings of great Rishi Jaimini..Maya has duality in every thing and it can not operate successfully unless it operates on duality in her trigunatmaka nature...It has to transgress up and down and it has always to present illusions. The results of planets in Ascent do not easily fructify unless it has a vibrating Seveth house..A man does not run unless a Lion or Dog is after him.the comparative strength of First and Seveth house becomes deciding factor in determining many important things..It is a house tenth from the tenth. It is your power to come out of the doors of your house and start dealing with the world outside.. In my opinion, thinking planets in the seventh as bad as a rule would not be sustainable. ..these are entirely my personal views.... Om Tat Sat vedic astrology, " Nithin : " <only_horizon_ left wrote: > > Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, > > I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " > > By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. > > Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, but I will share when I get it. > > My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good results, either for male or female native. > > May the gurus comment on this. > > Wishing all the best for everyone, > Regards, > Nithin > > > Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali@ ...> > vedic astrology > Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM > [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... > > > > My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. > > his is my first post as I recently joined.. > > First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet based > > on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is required > > to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what it > > is capable of.. > > > > Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful nature > > in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus > > (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never > > gets completely neutralized. > > > > The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and how > > Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. > > > > Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a > > religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to > > be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one > > suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest > > significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the > > causes of agony.. > > > > Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the > > killer...other combinations would do that... > > > > Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is > > absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is less)..Jataka > > keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace > > but finally has to go out of the world from his home. > > > > It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, planets > > behave a little differently for males and female nativities.. .perhaps > > it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female > > nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to > > the general opinion prevailing here. > > > > Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, > > position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart > > and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. > > > > Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive desires > > for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very > > introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting > > next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at > > home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will > > understand this: > > > > " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in the house is > > useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position of > > a Jataka.. > > > > So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep > > desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... > > For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will make > > a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the > > ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of Jupiter > > in the seventh.... > > > > Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mkp{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px 0px;padding: 0px 14px;} > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line- height:122%; margin:10px 0px;} > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > margin-bottom: 10px;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > padding:0 0;} > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > font-family: Arial;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height: 122%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;} > --> > > > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family: Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family: Arial; > clear:both;} > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px;} > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- align:right; } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- transform:uppercase ;} > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight: bold;} > #ygrp-vital a{ > text-decoration: none;} > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration: none;} > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration: underline; } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0;} > o{font-size: 0;} > .MsoNormal{ > margin:0 0 0 0;} > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120% ;} > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq{margin: 4;} > --> > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Shrimant Nithin Ji and all the Erudite Scholars of the Forum, 1. First of all, thanks Nithin Ji, I appreciate your spirit of inquiry. 2. You have suddenly brought us to ponder over an important issue in Life by asking " What is Marital Bliss? " 3. I read somewhere in the in the forum asking " Why has Jupiter lost Karkatwa for Marriage ?? " Another very important and significant question. I fondly remember Late Shri BV Raman who would look at Jupiter first to inquire into the issue of marriage... 4. So, please move forward with your ideas of " Marital Bliss " ....have you seen the couple looking at Saptarishi Mandal in the morning on the day of marriage and bowing to Arundhati..with significant sanklpam...I am just hinting at what could be marital duties and bliss in fulfilling those vows.. And be careful as now one may be transgressing into Vedic ideology much deeper than the scope of astrology.... vedic astrology , " Nithin : " <only_horizon_left wrote: > > Respected Scholars of VA and Shobhana ji, > > > Thanks ! There are a few things, I would like to clarify, with your kind permission. > > The views posted by Shobhana ji are doubtlessly right. There is no second thought on it. But I need to extend my views a bit further so as to not confuse the new learners of this subject. > > I had posted another post right after this post to suggest a correction. I knew it will cause confusion if I do not clarify. I was only focused on the marital bliss and happiness while writing my earlier post. I was talking about the Jupiter and other planets in 7H not being so fruitful for marital happiness. 7H is significant of Progeny, Internal Sex organs, second child, partnership, expenses on inherited property etc other than the marital success. > > Any planet may or may not give results with respect to the above Karakttvas of 7H depending on the other aspects of the chart. Also, if we see a chart as an entity (like Shobhana ji pointed out), it is not difficult to see it as a system, where every Bhava, Rasi and Planet has its own significance. About any given system of the universe, it is true that it is made of several sub systems and every sub system has a definite function of it's own. No functionality of a sub system can be neglected. I was talking about one such sub system (Ju in 7H) of the natal chart. I, in no ways, meant to rule out the consequences arising out of other planets, rasis and drishti. > > Let's take an example: Suppose, there is any given chart with whatever lagna. Now try to place each planet in it and consider it's significance for marital happiness. Please do not consider growth and success after marriage as marital happiness although it can add up to it. Just think of kalathra and place any planet ( even Venus ) in 7H and see what results we get w.r.t marital happiness. > > I understand that in any case, all of the planets will be bhaveshs of some bhava and we may want to attach their significance but I again would like to recall that we are analysing one aspect of chart in itself. Later we can extend this aspect in the light of other aspects ( Rasis, Bhavas, Planets ). > > Hope this makes the topic further clear. > Wishing all the best for everyone, > Regards, > Nithin > > Shobhana <bhadrakaali > vedic astrology > Saturday, 1 September, 2007 6:11:03 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? > > > > > > > Aadaraniya Nitin ji and Learned Members, > > > > Om Ganadhipattye Namah, > > > > I fully appreciate the viws expressed by Nitin ji regarding Jupiter's > > position in 7th, if seen as a lone and single factor but it never > > happens that way...well, as one of the building blocks of teachings > > for a teacher or for an author explaining results of a planet in > > houses, segmented treatment is essential for understanding. But > > putting that as it is for application in not desired. A chart is an > > entity by itself...so all things have to be seen in combination. .as a > > whole. > > > > Jupiter in Seveth and Moon in the first, fourth or tenth or Mars in > > the first or Sun in the third or eleventh..there are thousands of > > good combination I can quote... > > > > Suppose, the Seventh house has GL and HL..Suppose it is AL or UL. > > Suppose Venus is in the twelfth house when Jupiter is 7th...so this > > single factor should not occupy any one mind out of proportions. . > > that is my view... > > > > the other view that planets in seventh are generally bad is somewhat > > difficult to digest..Seventh house is very important house for many > > things..Refer to the teachings of great Rishi Jaimini..Maya has > > duality in every thing and it can not operate successfully unless it > > operates on duality in her trigunatmaka nature...It has to transgress > > up and down and it has always to present illusions. The results of > > planets in Ascent do not easily fructify unless it has a vibrating > > Seveth house..A man does not run unless a Lion or Dog is after > > him.the comparative strength of First and Seveth house becomes > > deciding factor in determining many important things..It is a house > > tenth from the tenth. It is your power to come out of the doors of > > your house and start dealing with the world outside.. > > > > In my opinion, thinking planets in the seventh as bad as a rule > > would not be sustainable. ..these are entirely my personal views.... > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > vedic astrology, " Nithin : " > > <only_horizon_ left@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gurujans and Learned Scholars, > > > > > > I am sharing my views on the topic " Jupiter in 7H " > > > > > > By the natural chart of Kala-Purusha, we see that Venus is the > > natural Karaka of the 7H. The 7H is called Jaya Bhava and Venus > > being referred as the Kalthra Karaka. Jupiter is no ways is friend > > of Venus. Both denote a totally contradictory characteristics. > > > > > > Usually, by the idea that Jupiter is a Shubh Graha, an astrologer > > might be tempted to think that one will get very nice results due to > > it. But one also must not forget the Natural Karakatva of each > > planet. Jupiter who is the Karaka of Education, Knowledge, > > Philosophy, Viraktabhav, Anaasakti ( with Ketu) etc; how can He give > > any good result with respect to Kalathra? Venus is the karakaa of > > the man-woman relation, money, fargarances, perfumes, flowerrs, > > colours and also it represents the woman in a man's chart. As > > opposit to this the Jupiter has proven very bad with Rahu for two > > ladies. Right now I do not have the birth details of those charts, > > but I will share when I get it. > > > > > > My experience so far with the 7H is no planet in 7H gives good > > results, either for male or female native. > > > > > > May the gurus comment on this. > > > > > > Wishing all the best for everyone, > > > Regards, > > > Nithin > > > > > > > > > Shobhana Johar <bhadrakaali@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Saturday, 1 September, 2007 10:11:41 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Is Jupiter In 7th Bad???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Shri Ganeshaya Namah... > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranaama to all the learned members of the group. > > > > > > his is my first post as I recently joined.. > > > > > > First of all I consider delineating results of a single planet > > based > > > > > > on only Rasi or Bhava as hollow contemplation. .the planet is > > required > > > > > > to be put into the system and them the system study will tell what > > it > > > > > > is capable of.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, Jupiter in the seventh is considered of doubtful > > nature > > > > > > in the charts because seventh house in Kalachakra belongs to Venus > > > > > > (Libra) and Naisargic or natural relationships of the planets never > > > > > > gets completely neutralized. > > > > > > > > > > > > The leaned members understand what all Seven house represents and > > how > > > > > > Jupiter Signification are just opposite.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in the seventh is a strong trace and impression of a > > > > > > religious man (Atman) of the previous state having a deep desire to > > > > > > be a family man (grihastha). Hence, Jupiter in seventh, makes one > > > > > > suffer badly on family front (grihastha Sukha) and two greatest > > > > > > significations of Jupiter, that is Wealth and Son (Putra) are the > > > > > > causes of agony.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Widowhood you say...Nay... Nay...Jupiter the jeeva is Not the > > > > > > killer...other combinations would do that... > > > > > > > > > > > > Seveth is fourth to fourth...so additional and reserve money is > > > > > > absent..Grahalabha (pleasure of family ...No sex....is > > less)..Jataka > > > > > > keeps roaming around in foreign places in search of money and peace > > > > > > but finally has to go out of the world from his home. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange but true that when it comes to giving effects, > > planets > > > > > > behave a little differently for males and female > > nativities.. .perhaps > > > > > > it is function of interactions of basic elements..For female > > > > > > nativity, Jupiter in seventh provides excellent results contrary to > > > > > > the general opinion prevailing here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter's influence in the seventh will depend on the placement, > > > > > > position and strength of Mercury and Venus (specially) in the chart > > > > > > and the planets in 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd and the 5th.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter in seventh expresses itself in the form of excessive > > desires > > > > > > for religiosity, knowledge, detachments and the person being very > > > > > > introvert..It makes a jataka a " book worm " or a man always sitting > > > > > > next to a Moorthy with the bell in hand chanting Mantas. Still, at > > > > > > home his worth is not recognized. my friends from north will > > > > > > understand this: > > > > > > > > > > > > " & #2328; & #2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2368; > > & #2332; & #2379; & #2327; & # 2337; & #2366; , & #2348; & #2366; & #2361; & # > > 2352; & #2325; & #2366; & #2360; & #2367; & #2343;.. " (the Yogi sitting in > > the house is > > > > > > useless and the one next door is excellent).. .that is the position > > of > > > > > > a Jataka.. > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Karma of the man is to suffer on account of his / her deep > > > > > > desires to be Grihastha and wash away those deasires.... > > > > > > For Woman nativity it is never bad...with Saturn or mercury will > > make > > > > > > a native immensely rich..specially if Saturn is in the > > > > > > ninth...placement of moon is the key to delineate results of > > Jupiter > > > > > > in the seventh.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Tat Sat (Om is tha Greatest Truth) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-mkp{ > > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font- family:Arial; margin:14px > > 0px;padding: 0px 14px;} > > > #ygrp-mkp hr{ > > > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > > #ygrp-mkp #hd{ > > > color:#628c2a; font-size: 85%;font- weight:bold; line- > > height:122%; margin:10px 0px;} > > > #ygrp-mkp #ads{ > > > margin-bottom: 10px;} > > > #ygrp-mkp .ad{ > > > padding:0 0;} > > > #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ > > > color:#0000ff; text-decoration: none;} > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ > > > font-family: Arial;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ > > > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height: 122%;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ > > > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;} > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > <!-- > > > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, > > sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, > > clean, sans-serif;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;} > > > #ygrp-text{ > > > font-family: Georgia; > > > } > > > #ygrp-text p{ > > > margin:0 0 1em 0;} > > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > > font-family: Arial; > > > clear:both;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;} > > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > > padding:0 1px;} > > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text- > > align:right; } > > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > > float:left;white- space:nowrap; } > > > .bld{font-weight: bold;} > > > #ygrp-grft{ > > > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;} > > > #ygrp-ft{ > > > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666; > > > padding:5px 0; > > > } > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > > padding-bottom: 10px;} > > > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} > > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold; color:#333; text- > > transform:uppercase ;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee; > > > } > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text- > > align:right; padding-right: .5em;} > > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > > font-weight: bold;} > > > #ygrp-vital a{ > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > > color:#999;font- size:77%; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ > > > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > > padding:8px 0;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font- > > size:100%;line- height:122% ;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > > text-decoration: none;} > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > > text-decoration: underline; } > > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > > margin:0;} > > > o{font-size: 0;} > > > .MsoNormal{ > > > margin:0 0 0 0;} > > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > > font-size:120% ;} > > > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;} > > > .replbq{margin: 4;} > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? 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