Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Dear Prashant, > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). > So who will decide my Istadevata? The Lord of 12th from Karakamsa is Saturn in your case. So Narayana (Saturn) is Ista Devata. You could have checked the archives for ur answer. Here is the link to the lesson on AK and Ista Devata by Pt Sanjay: varahamihira/message/6949 It is better to see other messages on the same after 6949, which were corrected/reviewed by Guruji. Best Regards, Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna --------- Dear Prashanth, There is only one God, who is the cause of your birth and rebirth, and your entire existence. This God will give you moksha. Thats why we are worshipping Avataras of Vishnu, in case of Istha. The other demigods, can however give temporary relief. Best wishes, Visti. > " acharpastrology " <acharpastrology >varahamihira >varahamihira >[Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata >Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:06:05 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 202.95.69.226 >Received: from [216.115.96.64] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE3CA30E005540043112D8736040FC52208; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:08:44 >-0800 >Received: from [216.115.97.189] by n14. with NNFMP; 20 Feb >2002 08:08:08 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 08:06:09 -0000 >Received: (qmail 43022 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 08:06:09 -0000 >Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv. with QMQP; >20 Feb 2002 08:06:09 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n20.) (216.115.96.70) by >mta3.grp.snv. with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 08:06:08 -0000 >Received: from [216.115.96.123] by n20. with NNFMP; 20 Feb >2002 07:53:09 -0000 >From sentto-1303387-6372-1014192370-vlarsen Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:08:48 -0800 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-1303387-6372-1014192370-vlarsen=hotmail.com >X-Sender: acharpastrology >X-Apparently-varahamihira >Message-ID: <a4vldd+ie34 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >In-<000201c1b983$f3155380$ecc1c5cb@oemcomputer> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: Message Poster >X--Profile: acharpastrology >Mailing-List: list varahamihira ; contact >varahamihira-owner >Delivered-mailing list varahamihira >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <varahamihira- > > >Hare Rama Krisna > >Dear all, > >I have a question on Ista devata. > >Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is >suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc >and so also with Mantras. >In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, >Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will >decide my Istadevata? > >Regards - Prashanth > > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Dear Venkat, Thanks ... pl see the file Istadevada. Reference is made to Rasi aspect as the second step whenever the 12th is empty. The owner of 12th is relied upon after that. Regards - Prashanth varahamihira, " venkateshwara_reddy " <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: > Dear Prashant, > > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). > > So who will decide my Istadevata? > > The Lord of 12th from Karakamsa is Saturn in your case. So Narayana > (Saturn) is Ista Devata. You could have checked the archives for ur > answer. > > Here is the link to the lesson on AK and Ista Devata by Pt Sanjay: > varahamihira/message/6949 > > It is better to see other messages on the same after 6949, which were > corrected/reviewed by Guruji. > > > Best Regards, > Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Dear Prashanth, Please read Sanjay ji's Lesson on Ista Devata, available in the files/ archives of this group, where your question had been clearly answered as under: Ista Devata The Ista Devata is seen from the 12th house from the Karakamsa (i.e. the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa Chart). If the 12th house is occupied by a planet, then this indicates the Ista devata; If more than one occupy, then the strongest shall indicate the Ista devata and if none occupy this sign, then the Lord of the sign shall indicate the Ista Devata. Best wishes Shailesh Chandra Chadhascchadha - "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology <varahamihira > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > Hare Rama Krisna> > Dear all,> > I have a question on Ista devata.> > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is> suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc> and so also with Mantras.> In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven,> Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will> decide my Istadevata?> > Regards - Prashanth> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Shailesh, Have I not made myself clear? Answer seems to be NO going by the confusion! My apologies. There are different views in the file from Sanjayji and the file Istadevada on heirarchy of planet in 12th, rasi aspects on 12th and the 12th lord. Sanjayji doesnot refer to the rasi aspect where as the other article does. I am looking for clarification on this as I am trying to understand the concept with reference to my horoscope. I am highly spiritual but zero when it comes to Bhakti of any personified Gods. This is likely to be the case with those following Raja yoga/Karma Yoga marga. The reliance as focal is more on colour, chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras (as against the idol, personified Gods in Bhakti yoga). As Swami Vivekananda has mentioned these are different paths leading to the same end. Does the combination (asp of Ven , Sun & Mars from their respective hses) leading to this, is my question. Sanjayji's ex clearly mentions the turmoil one goes thru if the planet corresponding Ista devata is debilitated. This made me relook at the choice of Sat (which is debilitated in my case), which has done all good (so far for whatever reason , being NRY,VRY etc), as the Ista devata's planet. I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers which can be misleading. Regards - Prashanth varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Prashanth, > > Please read Sanjay ji's Lesson on Ista Devata, available in the files/ archives of this group, where your question had been clearly answered as under: > > Ista Devata > > The Ista Devata is seen from the 12th house from the Karakamsa (i.e. the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa Chart). > > If the 12th house is occupied by a planet, then this indicates the Ista devata; If more than one occupy, then the strongest shall indicate the Ista devata and if none occupy this sign, then the Lord of the sign shall indicate the Ista Devata. > > > Best wishes > > Shailesh Chandra Chadha > scchadha@h... > > > - > " acharpastrology " <acharpastrology> > <varahamihira> > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > Hare Rama Krisna > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc > > and so also with Mantras. > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will > > decide my Istadevata? > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Files: varahamihira > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Dear Prashant, My sincere suggestion is please read it again and try to assimilate the deeper meaning - even if you have read that Lesson on Ista Devata . The procedure for identifying the planet indicating Ista Devata is very straight forward - the most advanced (in degrees) planet in 12th from AK indicates the Ista Devata. And if the 12th is unocuupied, its lord does the job. Statements like "I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers which can be misleading." will not take you anywhere - why un-necessarily throw pebbles in the still waters? ? .. Reg. planets aspecting 12th from AK, the <<pdf>> file in the archives undoubtedly addresses the issue differently, but Sanjay ji has subsequently restated the correct procedure, as clarified by others in response to your mail. Please also understand that Sanjay ji does not insist on worship, etc. of only thosee dieties which are mentioned in that article. Each region, religion, and even age/ era has its own manifestations of these divine powers represented by the planet indicating the Ista Devata. The dieties listed are given as examples - in his book, and I think in the <<pdf>> file also, Sanjay ji has tried to identify parallel dieties from christianity also. As Arya Samajists, even our family tradition is anti idol/ personified Gods. So, for me it is 'Hom', with appropriate mantras. If, as you say, reliance as focal is more on colour, chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras, I am sure you can identify the colour appropriate for your Ista Devata indicating planet, or a Bija Mantra for the same. Or take help of some knowledgeable person for this purpose. Also, take particular note of the following statements of Sanjay ji, in the same article (I have added the emphasis): The Karaka indicated by the Ista devata planet shall indicate the relation/person who shall lead the native to the Ista Devata. The AK/Ista devata holds the key to a chart and it is important to have excellent relations with such people who are indicated by the Ista devata planet. I hope this longish mail was helpful, With best wishes, Shailesh Chandra Chadhascchadha - "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology <varahamihira > Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:47 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Shailesh,> > Have I not made myself clear? Answer seems to be NO going by the> confusion! My apologies.> > There are different views in the file from Sanjayji and the file> Istadevada on heirarchy of planet in 12th, rasi aspects on 12th and> the 12th lord. Sanjayji doesnot refer to the rasi aspect where as the> other article does. I am looking for clarification on this as I am> trying to understand the concept with reference to my horoscope. I am> highly spiritual but zero when it comes to Bhakti of any personified> Gods. This is likely to be the case with those following Raja> yoga/Karma Yoga marga. The reliance as focal is more on colour,> chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras (as against the> idol, personified Gods in Bhakti yoga). As Swami Vivekananda has> mentioned these are different paths leading to the same end. Does the> combination (asp of Ven , Sun & Mars from their respective hses)> leading to this, is my question. Sanjayji's ex clearly mentions the> turmoil one goes thru if the planet corresponding Ista devata is> debilitated. This made me relook at the choice of Sat (which is> debilitated in my case), which has done all good (so far for whatever> reason , being NRY,VRY etc), as the Ista devata's planet.> > I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers> which can be misleading.> > Regards - Prashanth> > varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > Dear Prashanth,> >> > Please read Sanjay ji's Lesson on Ista Devata, available in the> files/ archives of this group, where your question had been clearly> answered as under:> >> > Ista Devata> >> > The Ista Devata is seen from the 12th house from the Karakamsa> (i.e. the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa Chart).> >> > If the 12th house is occupied by a planet, then this indicates the> Ista devata; If more than one occupy, then the strongest shall> indicate the Ista devata and if none occupy this sign, then the Lord> of the sign shall indicate the Ista Devata.> >> >> > Best wishes> >> > Shailesh Chandra Chadha> > scchadha@h...> >> >> > -> > "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology>> > <varahamihira>> > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM> > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> >> >> > > Hare Rama Krisna> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I have a question on Ista devata.> > >> > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is> > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata> etc> > > and so also with Mantras.> > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by> Ven,> > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who> will> > > decide my Istadevata?> > >> > > Regards - Prashanth> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > OM TAT SAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Dear Shailesh, Thanks for the msg. I would have appreciated it better had it come clean without the uncalled for derogatory comments. I am trying to understand how the Ista devata concept gets altered in the light of 'Patra' variation like say, rajayogis, atheists etc and was looking for others findings. It is in this context that I indicated my conviction that it is unreasonable (on my part, I reiterate) to expect a straight jacket solution. When Gurujis give some broad guidelines it is for us to understand, contemplate and explore further. Prashanth varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Prashant, > > My sincere suggestion is please read it again and try to assimilate the deeper meaning - even if you have read that Lesson on Ista Devata . > > The procedure for identifying the planet indicating Ista Devata is very straight forward - the most advanced (in degrees) planet in 12th from AK indicates the Ista Devata. And if the 12th is unocuupied, its lord does the job. > > Statements like " I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers which can be misleading. " will not take you anywhere - why un-necessarily throw pebbles in the still waters? ? > . > Reg. planets aspecting 12th from AK, the <<pdf>> file in the archives undoubtedly addresses the issue differently, but Sanjay ji has subsequently restated the correct procedure, as clarified by others in response to your mail. > > Please also understand that Sanjay ji does not insist on worship, etc. of only thosee dieties which are mentioned in that article. > > Each region, religion, and even age/ era has its own manifestations of these divine powers represented by the planet indicating the Ista Devata. > > The dieties listed are given as examples - in his book, and I think in the <<pdf>> file also, Sanjay ji has tried to identify parallel dieties from christianity also. > > As Arya Samajists, even our family tradition is anti idol/ personified Gods. So, for me it is 'Hom', with appropriate mantras. > > If, as you say, reliance as focal is more on colour, chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras, I am sure you can identify the colour appropriate for your Ista Devata indicating planet, or a Bija Mantra for the same. Or take help of some knowledgeable person for this purpose. > > Also, take particular note of the following statements of Sanjay ji, in the same article (I have added the emphasis): > > The Karaka indicated by the Ista devata planet shall indicate the relation/person who shall lead the native to the Ista Devata. > > The AK/Ista devata holds the key to a chart and it is important to have excellent relations with such people who are indicated by the Ista devata planet. > > > I hope this longish mail was helpful, > > With best wishes, > > Shailesh Chandra Chadha > scchadha@h... > > > - > " acharpastrology " <acharpastrology> > <varahamihira> > Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:47 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Shailesh, > > > > Have I not made myself clear? Answer seems to be NO going by the > > confusion! My apologies. > > > > There are different views in the file from Sanjayji and the file > > Istadevada on heirarchy of planet in 12th, rasi aspects on 12th and > > the 12th lord. Sanjayji doesnot refer to the rasi aspect where as the > > other article does. I am looking for clarification on this as I am > > trying to understand the concept with reference to my horoscope. I am > > highly spiritual but zero when it comes to Bhakti of any personified > > Gods. This is likely to be the case with those following Raja > > yoga/Karma Yoga marga. The reliance as focal is more on colour, > > chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras (as against the > > idol, personified Gods in Bhakti yoga). As Swami Vivekananda has > > mentioned these are different paths leading to the same end. Does the > > combination (asp of Ven , Sun & Mars from their respective hses) > > leading to this, is my question. Sanjayji's ex clearly mentions the > > turmoil one goes thru if the planet corresponding Ista devata is > > debilitated. This made me relook at the choice of Sat (which is > > debilitated in my case), which has done all good (so far for whatever > > reason , being NRY,VRY etc), as the Ista devata's planet. > > > > I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers > > which can be misleading. > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Prashanth, > > > > > > Please read Sanjay ji's Lesson on Ista Devata, available in the > > files/ archives of this group, where your question had been clearly > > answered as under: > > > > > > Ista Devata > > > > > > The Ista Devata is seen from the 12th house from the Karakamsa > > (i.e. the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa Chart). > > > > > > If the 12th house is occupied by a planet, then this indicates the > > Ista devata; If more than one occupy, then the strongest shall > > indicate the Ista devata and if none occupy this sign, then the Lord > > of the sign shall indicate the Ista Devata. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Shailesh Chandra Chadha > > > scchadha@h... > > > > > > > > > - > > > " acharpastrology " <acharpastrology> > > > <varahamihira> > > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > > > > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > > > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata > > etc > > > > and so also with Mantras. > > > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by > > Ven, > > > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who > > will > > > > decide my Istadevata? > > > > > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Dear Prasanth, If I have hurt your feelings, I apologise. We are here to learn - nothing else should matter - neither ego nor emotions. Best wishes, Shailesh Chandra Chadhascchadha - "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology <varahamihira > Friday, February 22, 2002 9:50 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > Dear Shailesh,> > Thanks for the msg. I would have appreciated it better had it come> clean without the uncalled for derogatory comments. I am trying to> understand how the Ista devata concept gets altered in the light> of 'Patra' variation like say, rajayogis, atheists etc and was> looking for others findings. It is in this context that I indicated> my conviction that it is unreasonable (on my part, I reiterate) to> expect a straight jacket solution. When Gurujis give some broad> guidelines it is for us to understand, contemplate and explore> further.> > Prashanth> varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > Dear Prashant,> >> > My sincere suggestion is please read it again and try to assimilate> the deeper meaning - even if you have read that Lesson on Ista> Devata .> >> > The procedure for identifying the planet indicating Ista Devata is> very straight forward - the most advanced (in degrees) planet in 12th> from AK indicates the Ista Devata. And if the 12th is unocuupied, its> lord does the job.> >> > Statements like "I am certain that we should not look for a> straight jacket answers which can be misleading." will not take you> anywhere - why un-necessarily throw pebbles in the still waters? ?> > .> > Reg. planets aspecting 12th from AK, the <<pdf>> file in the> archives undoubtedly addresses the issue differently, but Sanjay ji> has subsequently restated the correct procedure, as clarified by> others in response to your mail.> >> > Please also understand that Sanjay ji does not insist on worship,> etc. of only thosee dieties which are mentioned in that article.> >> > Each region, religion, and even age/ era has its own manifestations> of these divine powers represented by the planet indicating the Ista> Devata.> >> > The dieties listed are given as examples - in his book, and I think> in the <<pdf>> file also, Sanjay ji has tried to identify parallel> dieties from christianity also.> >> > As Arya Samajists, even our family tradition is anti idol/> personified Gods. So, for me it is 'Hom', with appropriate mantras.> >> > If, as you say, reliance as focal is more on colour, chakras with> contemplation using potent Beeja mantras, I am sure you can identify> the colour appropriate for your Ista Devata indicating planet, or a> Bija Mantra for the same. Or take help of some knowledgeable person> for this purpose.> >> > Also, take particular note of the following statements of Sanjay> ji, in the same article (I have added the emphasis):> >> > The Karaka indicated by the Ista devata planet shall indicate the> relation/person who shall lead the native to the Ista Devata.> >> > The AK/Ista devata holds the key to a chart and it is important to> have excellent relations with such people who are indicated by the> Ista devata planet.> >> >> > I hope this longish mail was helpful,> >> > With best wishes,> >> > Shailesh Chandra Chadha> > scchadha@h...> >> >> > -> > "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology>> > <varahamihira>> > Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:47 AM> > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> >> >> > > Hare Rama Krishna> > >> > > Dear Shailesh,> > >> > > Have I not made myself clear? Answer seems to be NO going by the> > > confusion! My apologies.> > >> > > There are different views in the file from Sanjayji and the file> > > Istadevada on heirarchy of planet in 12th, rasi aspects on 12th> and> > > the 12th lord. Sanjayji doesnot refer to the rasi aspect where as> the> > > other article does. I am looking for clarification on this as I am> > > trying to understand the concept with reference to my horoscope.> I am> > > highly spiritual but zero when it comes to Bhakti of any> personified> > > Gods. This is likely to be the case with those following Raja> > > yoga/Karma Yoga marga. The reliance as focal is more on colour,> > > chakras with contemplation using potent Beeja mantras (as against> the> > > idol, personified Gods in Bhakti yoga). As Swami Vivekananda has> > > mentioned these are different paths leading to the same end. Does> the> > > combination (asp of Ven , Sun & Mars from their respective hses)> > > leading to this, is my question. Sanjayji's ex clearly mentions> the> > > turmoil one goes thru if the planet corresponding Ista devata is> > > debilitated. This made me relook at the choice of Sat (which is> > > debilitated in my case), which has done all good (so far for> whatever> > > reason , being NRY,VRY etc), as the Ista devata's planet.> > >> > > I am certain that we should not look for a straight jacket answers> > > which can be misleading.> > >> > > Regards - Prashanth> > >> > > varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear Prashanth,> > > >> > > > Please read Sanjay ji's Lesson on Ista Devata, available in the> > > files/ archives of this group, where your question had been> clearly> > > answered as under:> > > >> > > > Ista Devata> > > >> > > > The Ista Devata is seen from the 12th house from the Karakamsa> > > (i.e. the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa Chart).> > > >> > > > If the 12th house is occupied by a planet, then this indicates> the> > > Ista devata; If more than one occupy, then the strongest shall> > > indicate the Ista devata and if none occupy this sign, then the> Lord> > > of the sign shall indicate the Ista Devata.> > > >> > > >> > > > Best wishes> > > >> > > > Shailesh Chandra Chadha> > > > scchadha@h...> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > "acharpastrology" <acharpastrology>> > > > <varahamihira>> > > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM> > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> > > >> > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krisna> > > > >> > > > > Dear all,> > > > >> > > > > I have a question on Ista devata.> > > > >> > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is> > > > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One> Kuladevata> > > etc> > > > > and so also with Mantras.> > > > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by> > > Ven,> > > > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So> who> > > will> > > > > decide my Istadevata?> > > > >> > > > > Regards - Prashanth> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > OM TAT SAT> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Jyotisha, Namaste. > Dear Shailesh, > > Thanks for the msg. I would have appreciated it better had it come > clean without the uncalled for derogatory comments. I am trying to > understand how the Ista devata concept gets altered in the light > of 'Patra' variation like say, rajayogis, atheists etc and was > looking for others findings. It is in this context that I indicated > my conviction that it is unreasonable (on my part, I reiterate) to > expect a straight jacket solution. When Gurujis give some broad > guidelines it is for us to understand, contemplate and explore > further. Of course I agree with the idea that whatever phenomena we experience in life, should be possible to describe with the language of astrology, and decipher through proper indications in the chart. Therefore I can baks Prashanth's statement to some extent: we should use our intelligence when applying astrological rules stated by the Rishish of yore, taking into considerarion Deas, Kaala and Paatra. For example, we can assign Deities to the 9 planets within the Vedic tradition, both for Vaishnavas (Dasavatar) and for demigod-worshippers (Devatas). But let's take someone who was born into the Christian tradition or any other faith in the world? According to Parashara's priniples, the different qualities originating in the Absolute Transcendence will also represented for them in the form of the Navagraha. Therefore we would do good to try to assign the different Deities of their own faith to the planets. Please refer to Sanjayji's Upadesa Sutras explanation where he has given the christian divinities assigned to the planets. Also, in abroader sense, we ahould be able to ascertain on the basis of the chart, whether the natvie believes in God at all, or is an atheist, or will be converted to faith at some point in his life, or will lose his faith. He may believe in God a sa person, or as impersonal Brahman, or be attracted to Karma-kanda (demigod-worship) or Jnaana, or Yoga, etc. This we should be able to see from the chart. There's umpteen rules or principles for this, and many of them are unstated. For a chart to be spiritual, the AK should be strong, and it should link the 1st and 9th house. The trines in D-20 should also be strong. For the different paths mentioned here, there will be different significators. Some examples below: Path House Karaka Bhakti 5th Ju, Ve Karma 10th Me Jnaana 5th, 9th Ju, Me Yoga 12th Sa Dhyana 12th Mo Mantra 5th Me Tantra 7th Ve, Ra, Ke Mysticism 8th Ma, Ke Atheism 8th Sa etc. Previously we have also assigned planets to the 6 Vedic philosophies (Vedanta, Mimamsa, Vaisesika, Nyaaya, Samkhya, Yoga)on the Varahamihira list. I don't remember them now, maybe someone can refresh this info. I have met many examples of great materialist philosophers where Saturn was casting a strong ifluence on the 9th and 8th house. There's many other relevant yogas as well which I can't enumerate here. If you have any interesting charts in this regard, please forward them to Robert Koch, who is a member of this list, and is heading the column on spiritualism and Jyotish in the Jyotish Digest. He might have more experience. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Prashant,If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting another new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used to the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent in walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, first decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, Guru Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/----- Original Message ----- acharpastrology varahamihira Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM[Hare Rama Krishna] Ista DevataHare Rama KrisnaDear all,I have a question on Ista devata. Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc and so also with Mantras.In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will decide my Istadevata?Regards - PrashanthOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2002 Report Share Posted April 17, 2002 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Sanjayji, Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide, 1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically? 2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of being a non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the best approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th from Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary influences leading to confusion ? Regards - Prashanth varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear Prashant, > If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting another new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used to the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent in walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, first decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, Guru Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier. > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > acharpastrology > varahamihira > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > Hare Rama Krisna > > Dear all, > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc > and so also with Mantras. > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will > decide my Istadevata? > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --------------------- Dear Prashanth, The rules of seeing the Dharma, Kula, Guru, etc Devatas astrologically have been explained quite many times on this list. See the Lesson on Istha Devata, to figure out that much. The rest is explained in detail gurudevas; "Vedic Remedies in Astrology". As per your statement that you do not see god in form, it would suggest following the Uttara/Vedantya Meemamsa. i.e. the Philosophy of god seeing everywhere and in everything, beyond material form and nature. This is ruled by Jupiter, where to see this? As for your Istha, you should worship Narayana. 12th from Karakamsa is 2nd house. Make sure you keep SatyaNarayana Vrtam every full moon. Best wishes, Visti. - acharpastrology varahamihira Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:07 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata Om Namah ShivayaDear Sanjayji,Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide,1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically?2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of being a non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the best approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th from Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary influences leading to confusion ?Regards - Prashanth varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:> > om gurave namah> ------------------------> Dear Prashant,> If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting another new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used to the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent in walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, first decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, Guru Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier.> With best wishes> Sanjay Rath> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> - > acharpastrology > varahamihira > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> > > Hare Rama Krisna> > Dear all,> > I have a question on Ista devata. > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata etc > and so also with Mantras.> In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who will > decide my Istadevata?> > Regards - Prashanth> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Dear Visti, Forgive me for my ignorance, are you suggesting that Uttara / Vedantya Meemamsa is ruled by Jup? In D20, I have Jup (Retro & Debilitated!- possibly says a lot) in 2nd hse, indicating that my Kula devata is Shiva. Its understood that I should worship Narayana (Sat being the Lord of 12th from Karakamsa)as my Ista devata. But how can one follow this without beleiving in the approach? This confusion is making me rake up the issue time and again, otherwise I have understood the lessons very well pl. Regards - Prashanth varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > --------------------- > Dear Prashanth, > The rules of seeing the Dharma, Kula, Guru, etc Devatas astrologically have been explained quite many times on this list. > > See the Lesson on Istha Devata, to figure out that much. The rest is explained in detail gurudevas; " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " . > > > As per your statement that you do not see god in form, it would suggest following the Uttara/Vedantya Meemamsa. i.e. the Philosophy of god seeing everywhere and in everything, beyond material form and nature. > > This is ruled by Jupiter, where to see this? > > As for your Istha, you should worship Narayana. 12th from Karakamsa is 2nd house. Make sure you keep SatyaNarayana Vrtam every full moon. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > - > acharpastrology > varahamihira > Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:07 PM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear Sanjayji, > > Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide, > 1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically? > 2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of being a > non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the best > approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is AK, > the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from their > respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th from > Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary > influences leading to confusion ? > > Regards - Prashanth > > varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > ------------------------ > > Dear Prashant, > > If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting another > new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used to > the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in > nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent in > walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, first > decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the > decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, Guru > Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier. > > With best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > - > > acharpastrology > > varahamihira > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata > etc > > and so also with Mantras. > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by > Ven, > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who > will > > decide my Istadevata? > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------------- Dear Prashanth, The depictions of deities in various religions, having certain arms and legs, etc., are only symbolic.. not truth. Just our mercurian way of understanding things. The bible, koran and torah do not invoke the approach of depicting god in such a form, hence i recommend that you begin following such religions, as it will be easier to follow your istha that way. I personally goto church, but haven't begun so until i understood the results of different types of worship. Hence i took the long way around. God is in everything, and everywhere..if one follows this approach then theres no need for idols or images.. but for some it helps. Best wishes, Visti. > " acharpastrology " <acharpastrology >varahamihira >varahamihira >Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata >Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:07:56 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 202.95.69.226 >Received: from [66.218.66.74] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE8D3ACC00194136E85142DA424A81A8131; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:15:00 >-0700 >Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n19.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 22 Apr >2002 11:13:23 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 22 Apr 2002 11:08:23 -0000 >Received: (qmail 15067 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 11:08:22 -0000 >Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; >22 Apr 2002 11:08:22 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.) 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But how can one follow this >without beleiving in the approach? This confusion is making me rake >up the issue time and again, otherwise I have understood the lessons >very well pl. > >Regards - Prashanth > > > >varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > --------------------- > > Dear Prashanth, > > The rules of seeing the Dharma, Kula, Guru, etc Devatas >astrologically have been explained quite many times on this list. > > > > See the Lesson on Istha Devata, to figure out that much. The rest >is explained in detail gurudevas; " Vedic Remedies in Astrology " . > > > > > > As per your statement that you do not see god in form, it would >suggest following the Uttara/Vedantya Meemamsa. i.e. the Philosophy >of god seeing everywhere and in everything, beyond material form and >nature. > > > > This is ruled by Jupiter, where to see this? > > > > As for your Istha, you should worship Narayana. 12th from Karakamsa >is 2nd house. Make sure you keep SatyaNarayana Vrtam every full moon. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > > > > > - > > acharpastrology > > varahamihira > > Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:07 PM > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > > > Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide, > > 1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically? > > 2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of >being a > > non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the >best > > approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is >AK, > > the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from >their > > respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th >from > > Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary > > influences leading to confusion ? > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > ------------------------ > > > Dear Prashant, > > > If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting >another > > new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used >to > > the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in > > nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent >in > > walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, >first > > decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the > > decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, >Guru > > Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier. > > > With best wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > > - > > > acharpastrology > > > varahamihira > > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One >Kuladevata > > etc > > > and so also with Mantras. > > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected >by > > Ven, > > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So >who > > will > > > decide my Istadevata? > > > > > > Regards - Prashanth > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti & PrashantWhy are we looking for God in temples and churches when He is actually everywhere, and the nearest to us is our very hearts! Just close your eyes, and take your concentration to the heart and visualise a amall light ray in it..Pay your obeisances here with the Beejakshara of the Ista Devata and then the light becomes brighter..keep doing this and then it fills your heart and rises towards your head and then you are lost..you cease to exist. That is worship and I cannot describe it.Look for your Ista Devata in your hearts and your Guru Devata in your head. They are within and when you can see within, then you will also see outside.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/----- Original Message ----- Visti Larsen varahamihira Monday, April 22, 2002 6:17 PMRe: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista DevataVyam Vysadevaya Namah----------------Dear Prashanth,The depictions of deities in various religions, having certain arms and legs, etc., are only symbolic.. not truth. Just our mercurian way of understanding things.The bible, koran and torah do not invoke the approach of depicting god in such a form, hence i recommend that you begin following such religions, as it will be easier to follow your istha that way.I personally goto church, but haven't begun so until i understood the results of different types of worship. Hence i took the long way around.God is in everything, and everywhere..if one follows this approach then theres no need for idols or images.. but for some it helps.Best wishes, Visti.>"acharpastrology" <acharpastrology>varahamihira >varahamihira >Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata>Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:07:56 -0000>MIME-Version: 1.0>X-Originating-IP: 202.95.69.226>Received: from [66.218.66.74] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE8D3ACC00194136E85142DA424A81A8131; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:15:00 >-0700>Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n19.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 22 Apr >2002 11:13:23 -0000>Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 22 Apr 2002 11:08:23 -0000>Received: (qmail 15067 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 11:08:22 -0000>Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd. with QMQP; >22 Apr 2002 11:08:22 -0000>Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.) (66.218.66.82) by >mta1.grp.scd. with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 11:08:22 -0000>Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n26.grp.scd. with NNFMP; 22 Apr >2002 11:08:02 -0000>From sentto-1303387-6598-1019473703-vlarsen Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:17:15 -0700>X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-1303387-6598-1019473703-vlarsen=hotmail.comX-Sender: acharpastrologyX-Apparently-varahamihira >Message-ID: <aa0quc+5623 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com>>In-<OE4688bsUZjEGuaYve50000417c>User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82>X-Mailer: Message Poster>X--Profile: acharpastrology>Mailing-List: list varahamihira ; contact >varahamihira-owner >Delivered-mailing list varahamihira >Precedence: bulk>List-Un: <varahamihira- >>>Dear Visti,>>Forgive me for my ignorance, are you suggesting that Uttara />Vedantya Meemamsa is ruled by Jup?>>In D20, I have Jup (Retro & Debilitated!- possibly says a lot) in 2nd>hse, indicating that my Kula devata is Shiva.>>Its understood that I should worship Narayana (Sat being the Lord of>12th from Karakamsa)as my Ista devata. But how can one follow this>without beleiving in the approach? This confusion is making me rake>up the issue time and again, otherwise I have understood the lessons>very well pl.>>Regards - Prashanth>>>>varahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > ---------------------> > Dear Prashanth,> > The rules of seeing the Dharma, Kula, Guru, etc Devatas>astrologically have been explained quite many times on this list.> >> > See the Lesson on Istha Devata, to figure out that much. The rest>is explained in detail gurudevas; "Vedic Remedies in Astrology".> >> >> > As per your statement that you do not see god in form, it would>suggest following the Uttara/Vedantya Meemamsa. i.e. the Philosophy>of god seeing everywhere and in everything, beyond material form and>nature.> >> > This is ruled by Jupiter, where to see this?> >> > As for your Istha, you should worship Narayana. 12th from Karakamsa>is 2nd house. Make sure you keep SatyaNarayana Vrtam every full moon.> >> > Best wishes, Visti.> >> >> >> > -> > acharpastrology> > varahamihira> > Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:07 PM> > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> >> >> > Om Namah Shivaya> >> > Dear Sanjayji,> >> > Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide,> > 1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically?> > 2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of>being a> > non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the>best> > approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is>AK,> > the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from>their> > respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th>from> > Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary> > influences leading to confusion ?> >> > Regards - Prashanth> >> > varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:> > >> > > om gurave namah> > > ------------------------> > > Dear Prashant,> > > If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting>another> > new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used>to> > the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in> > nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent>in> > walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So,>first> > decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the> > decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata,>Guru> > Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier.> > > With best wishes> > > Sanjay Rath> > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> > > -> > > acharpastrology> > > varahamihira> > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM> > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> > >> > >> > > Hare Rama Krisna> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > I have a question on Ista devata.> > >> > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is> > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One>Kuladevata> > etc> > > and so also with Mantras.> > > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected>by> > Ven,> > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So>who> > will> > > decide my Istadevata?> > >> > > Regards - Prashanth> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Prashant,Of course there is an explanation. Let us take an example - Kamsa always believed that Bhagavan was his enemy so Bhagavan came as his enemy. The mind is very peculiar. It makes us take a certain path at a certain time and the concept of faith is from the sign Pisces whereas the concept of non-belief and looking for physical truth is the effect of Kali Yuga coming from the sign Capricorn.Look for a strong Capricorn influence in your chart. Now coming to God, this is ecessary for the intelligent man and sometimes man in his supreme intelligence believes otherwise about the existance of God. This is the folloy of the over reasoning mind that finally deludes. We see this in the example of Ravana. So, dear Prashant, control the mind and protect it before it leads you astray before it causes it's own fall. This protection of the ind is called Mana Trai or Mantra. Let me use scientifc logic - since sound is the creator (let us say that finally the sound is bhagavan or God if you and to call Him so), then use any sound that can make you happy and cheerful, that saves the mind from wasting away thinking about the more beautiful lady next door or about how to get rich quickly or such things. Use any sound syllable you like and see its effect. Try out each of the Akshara for about a week and see what impact it has onyou. This will be scientific by all standards.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/----- Original Message ----- acharpastrology varahamihira Monday, April 22, 2002 4:37 PMRe: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista DevataDear Visti,Forgive me for my ignorance, are you suggesting that Uttara / Vedantya Meemamsa is ruled by Jup?In D20, I have Jup (Retro & Debilitated!- possibly says a lot) in 2nd hse, indicating that my Kula devata is Shiva. Its understood that I should worship Narayana (Sat being the Lord of 12th from Karakamsa)as my Ista devata. But how can one follow this without beleiving in the approach? This confusion is making me rake up the issue time and again, otherwise I have understood the lessons very well pl.Regards - Prashanthvarahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> ---------------------> Dear Prashanth,> The rules of seeing the Dharma, Kula, Guru, etc Devatas astrologically have been explained quite many times on this list.> > See the Lesson on Istha Devata, to figure out that much. The rest is explained in detail gurudevas; "Vedic Remedies in Astrology".> > > As per your statement that you do not see god in form, it would suggest following the Uttara/Vedantya Meemamsa. i.e. the Philosophy of god seeing everywhere and in everything, beyond material form and nature.> > This is ruled by Jupiter, where to see this?> > As for your Istha, you should worship Narayana. 12th from Karakamsa is 2nd house. Make sure you keep SatyaNarayana Vrtam every full moon.> > Best wishes, Visti.> > > > - > acharpastrology > varahamihira > Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:07 PM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> > > Om Namah Shivaya> > Dear Sanjayji,> > Pranam. Thank you very much. How do we decide,> 1. Dharma devata, Kula Devata, Guru Devata astrologically?> 2. There must be some explanation for my approach in life of being a > non-believer of God in form (not trying to say that it is the best > approach or otherwise pl)in the planetary position, i.e., Moon is AK, > the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by Ven, Sun & Mars all from their > respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). Added to this the lord of 12th from > Karakamsa - Sat is debilitated. Are these multiple planetary > influences leading to confusion ?> > Regards - Prashanth > > varahamihira, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:> > > > om gurave namah> > ------------------------> > Dear Prashant,> > If I have one torch, does anything prevent me from getting another > new model with a different kind of light? The best is to get used to > the one you already have as we can be wasting too much time in > nuances of getting different torches and the time is to be spent in > walking the dark lonely path rather than buying torches. So, first > decide if you want - Dharma, Artha, Kaama or Moksha and then the > decision to follow, Dharma devata, Palana Devata or Kula Devata, Guru > Devata or Ista Devata becomes easier.> > With best wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> > - > > acharpastrology > > varahamihira > > Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:36 PM> > [Hare Rama Krishna] Ista Devata> > > > > > Hare Rama Krisna> > > > Dear all,> > > > I have a question on Ista devata. > > > > Can there be more than one Ista devata? I guess not, as it is > > suggested that one should follow one Ista Devata, One Kuladevata > etc > > and so also with Mantras.> > In my case, Moon is AK, the 12th from Karakamsa is aspected by > Ven, > > Sun & Mars all from their respective houses (Ta, Le, Sc). So who > will > > decide my Istadevata?> > > > Regards - Prashanth> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Dear sir, i wish to know my ista devata DOB 26th may 1938 at 01;10am at Amalapuram in AP i also wish to know how to find the ista devata from the horoscope krishnajee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Dear Krishna go to Guru Visti's site and see this link http://www.srigaruda.com/2006/11/12/guru-palana-etc-devata/ kamal - neelaragam vedic astrology Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:16 PM [vedic astrology] ista devata Dear sir, i wish to know my ista devata DOB 26th may 1938 at 01;10am at Amalapuram in AP i also wish to know how to find the ista devata from the horoscope krishnajee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Dear Krishnajee U see ur 9th house of your horoscope it is Tula Rashi. Lord of the house is Shukra. Shukracharaya was the devotee of Lord Shiva. Your ista dev is therefore Lord Shiva. But the lord of 9th house is in 5th house mithuna rashi. The lord of this rashi is Budh who is devotee of Vishu. You can also chant Vishnu's name. Harry neelaragam <visakha26 wrote: Dear sir, i wish to know my ista devata DOB 26th may 1938 at 01;10am at Amalapuram in AP i also wish to know how to find the ista devata from the horoscope krishnajee Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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