A small update on my earlier post on Gayathri saapas

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Dear Group:

 

Those of you who are already chanting Gaayathri mantra after proper

deeksha samskaar....need not worry. The Naandi homam and other vedic

rituals will cover for you. Still, it is always good if you can get

initiated into the saapa vimochana mantra deeksha also. There are

specific mantras to be chanted to remove Gaayathri's curse and get

full benefits.(It takes hardly 5 mins for an adept to chant those).

 

But, it is definitely not advisable to chant Gaayathri mantraa

without getting initiated properly from a Guru, because then it might

infact be productive of mundane troubles.

 

You can't say I am a tax payer and I will operate the tanks of the

Indian army as I want! Even an army officer cannot just do that! You

need proper authority to do it. If such restrictions are there for

mere mundane things, just understand the protocols that could be

associated with Mahaa Mantraa which gave Sage Viswaamitra to create a

Parallel Heaven for Trisanku!

 

Those who have got initiation and are chanting, please do not get

disheartened by this and for dwijaas (Brahmins who have got this

through Upanayanam), this is " mandatory " and not " Obligatory " .

 

For others, it is not " mandatory " ; but if they wish to do that, they

should get it by Deeksha samskaar (incidentally Sage Viswaamitra was

not a Brahmin by birth).

 

Shaastras say " Everyone is born a shudra (I do not mean any

disrespect to any caste when I say this), and only by samskaaraas

(vedic procedures at appropriate times of life) does a person become

a Brahmin; A brahmin who is well-versed in ethics and knowledge is a

Vipraa "

 

Scriptures say a Brahmin who is proud that he is a brahmin but does

not follow vedic scriptures for his guidance is a " pashu brahmana " .

He is equal to a wooden cow...just as a wooden cow cannot give milk,

a brahmin without tapasya cannot help others.

 

Gaayathri mantra recitation is the source of Brahminhood. Anyone who

chants this mantra after getting proper initition into this MUST be

considered to be a Brahmin. Of course, these are idealisms and not

practical. But, spiritual persons should bear these in mind for

their guidance.

 

Chanting the mantra with vain pride saying that " if they can chant, I

will also chant; can they stop it? " is sure to incur the troubles due

to the curses associated with Gaayathri saadhanaa.

 

This was not meant to scare anybody.....I have just said that anybody

can chant this with proper initiation. I am just asking people to

follow vedic/ Maantrik guidelines in this regard.

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Bharat:

>

> If you read my earlier post on this, it will be clear....the curses

> were so that " rakshasaic elements " do not get the full potential of

> the chanting. Rakshasaas do not necessarily mean eery monsters

with

> long fangs and big body! Anyone who harasses others unnecessarily

is

> a raakshasaa! Anyone who trashes shaastraas and claims his

philosophy

> is superior is a raakshasaa! Anyone who is uncomfortable in the

> presence of dharmic persons and tries to harass them is a

raakshasaa!

> Anyone who " steals " knowledge (pilfering information from internet

> without acknowledging the source, not respecting a Guru but

> exploiting the knowledge from his posts) is a raakshasaa...Anybody

> who keeps on criticizing others without any noble reason but out of

> jealousy and personal enmity baselessly spoiling the serene

> atmosphere of a place by dragging people on and on into

controversies

> even after they stop arguing, etc. is a raakshasaa.....

>

> Raakshasaic elements believe in mantrik power and occult, but they

do

> not believe in innate goodness of man and the Grace of God. So,

they

> will chant mantras at any time and everytime without caring whether

> such chants will be good for the world.(astrologically certain days

> are tabooed for vedic recitals, like ashtami, Navami, etc. These

> days are used for other poojas and learning vedic portions are

> stopped on those days because it is inauspicious not merely to the

> chanter but to the whole world in subtle ways; I have observed that

> this is not being followed now-a-days). Tapasya never goes in

vain.

> Even greatest sinners can attain siddhis......Please note, presence

> of siddhi in a person is not an evidence of their

> nobility....Raakshasaas had inborn siddhis! You will find that in

> nature, those who do mistakes are more persistent than those with

> noble habits.

>

> Those who support a noble cause will just say one or two words and

> move away with pain that they are not able to help matters. But

> rakshasic elements will never leave a matter. It is their strength

> and weakness.

>

> Coming to Gayathri saadhanaa, if raakshasaas chant the mantra which

> is the BEST of all mantraas, and get siddhi in that, they will

never

> be vanquished. The sages who insisted on " Vaasudaiva Kudumbakam "

> also knew that certain disruptive elements should be cut off from

> that circle. So, they thought that raakshasic elements should not

> get the full benefit of the mantra which might be dangerous to

> others. Hence those 3 Great Souls gave curses to the Holy

Gaayathri

> mantra. The weakness of the raakshasaas is that they can keep on

> doing things persistently, but if you insist on procedures and

proper

> way, they cannot do that, because their arrogance will prevent them

> from following set disciplines......So, naturally when these curses

> were placed on Gaayathri mantra, the potency of the mantra was

saved

> from bad elements who will happily chant without curse removal and

> will trash all such suggestions, and thus be denied the full

benefit

> of the recital so that the effect of the Gaayathri which is

supposed

> to grant all desires including final emancipation of the soul will

be

> curtailed in those cases and will stop with giving mundane benefits

> which are changeable (Once a person attain mundane benefits out of

> japa power, the japa siddhi gets reduced just as bank balance gets

> reduced after withdrawal; however, if a person gets aatma siddhi -

> Enlightenment, then the tapasya power is increased and not

> decreased!) Thus raakshasic elements from those days (when the

> Gaayathri was first revealed to the Great Sage Viswaamitraa) to the

> present period have been doing mantra without curse removal and are

> restricted in enjoying the full scope of the mantra. Great souls

> have from that period to the current date have been following those

> guidelines scrupulously and are getting benefitted by that.

>

> In matters of spirituality, till we attain a stage where we

ourselves

> are Enlightened, it is best to follow the guidelines stipulated by

> the Rishis. They have codified those procedures only for our

benefit.

> There are two samhitas that can explain the correct process of Devi

> Gayathri worship - one is Viswaamitra Samhitaa, and the other is

> Vasishta Samhitaa. Viswaamitra samhitaa is more elaborate.

>

> You might get those rare books from good Indological Libraries;

there

> is the possibility of printing mistakes, etc. which persons already

> well-versed in those traditions can easily find out. The books can

> be just used as guides and reference manuals. But, those who rely

> only on the books without any traditional experience might stumble

> and fall prey to the effects of wrong chants (mispronounced chants).

> Moreover, there is one thing called " oral tradition " in this great

> country. Most of the spiritual secrets are closely guarded in palm

> leafs - STILL only to save them from the prying eyes of " knowledge

> thieves " who will start strutting around with false pride after

> reading them with half-baked intelligence. Those secrets are given

> only to suitable recipients. There are cases, when fathers have

> refused to initiate their own sons in some mantras! because they

> found them not suitable, but the mantra would pass on to a more

> capable and worthy student! There is no socialism in mantra

> shaastraa....all are not equal. It is by one's attitude and real

> capabilities that one can earn such knowledges...They cannot be

> bought with money.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

>

> vedic astrology , Bharat Varma <ffmbvarma@>

> wrote:

> >

> > just out of curiosity, why would the divine people curse gayatri

> for. I thought they themselves practised gayatri and were able to

> spiritually grow to a level where no ordinary man would have

reached.

> I was searching the net for stories related to this curse but found

> none. So if somebody can enligten on this.

> >

> > I used to watch a program on zee and in tht a lady also said the

> same that she practised some 64000 odd times (i dont remember the

> number) but she suffered bad luck after the completion of the

mantra

> and this was addressed to some tantrik practisioner. I dont

remember

> exactly what he said but i guess he said she shld have done one

more

> mantra to balance the power of gayatri.

> >

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Shashie Shekhar <polite_astro@>

> > vedic astrology

> > Tuesday, August 7, 2007 6:39:13 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> OBSERVED AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> >

> > ll HARE RAM ll

> > Pandit Dakshinamoorthi ji,

> > I am completely agreed with you that Gayatri Mantra is needed

some

> protocol before chanting as to remove curses of Brahma,Vashistha,

> Visvamitra & Shukra and later doing proper visarjana otherwise it

can

> be harmful.It is not the Mahamantra given in " Kulsantaran " Upnishad

> like " HARE RAM HARE RAM RAM RAM HARE HARE,HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA

> KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE " that can be chanted by any one and any

> position.Gayatri Mantra is called the mother of all mantras.Even to

> add Samputa of Gayatri Mantra makes one Mantra so powerful.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shashie Shekhar

> >

> >

> > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:

> > Dear Shri. Manjunath:

> >

> > The three curses to Gayathri mantra were given mainly to

> > prevent " Rakshasaic " elements from getting unbridled power. So,

if

> > you are of a saatwik quality and you have got initiated into the

> > mantra from someone, kindly keep chanting it. Otherwise,

tradition

> > says that it is better not to chant. I have no individual opinion

> > regarding this.

> >

> > The best recourse for someone who wishes to avail Gayathri Grace

is

> > to chant the Gayathri Sahasranaamam or Gayathri Sthothram

(chaalisa

> > is of recent origin; in my opinion, except Hanumaan Chaalisaa

> > composed by Goswami Tulsi Das, the other chaalisaas have more of

a

> > devotional value as they are modelled after the Hanumaan

chaalisaa

> > and not too much of mantrik value).

> >

> > Otherwise, chanting " Om Shri Gaayathryai veda maatre namah " is

the

> > best way.

> >

> > Please read through the earlier post....I have given different

> > options open before you.

> >

> > There are some controversies like " Can a person chant Gayathri

> > without upanayanam, can women chant, " etc. which I studiously

avoid

> > because my views will be based only on traditions which might not

> be

> > compatible with what you see today.

> >

> > A policeman uses a baton to control a crowd, but if we do it, it

is

> > considered manslaughter. ..is it not? A licensed person can drive

> > vehicles while a person without license should not drive even if

he

> > is capable of driving! In the same way, deeksha samskaar or

> > upanayanam are like license procedures.. ...Saapa Nivaaranam is

> like

> > No-objection certificate or " fitness certificate " .....All these

> are

> > important... .you cannot say, I found a vehicle and I drove

> > it....there is not need for license...nothing will happen, etc.

> >

> > Even a license person can meet with accidents, in that case

> insurance

> > will cover the damages; but what will happen if an unlicensed

> person

> > drives vehicles and gets involved in an accident? A similar

analogy

> > applies to mantras. Gayathri is a mahaa mantraa, and a powerful

> > one. But that does not imply anyone can chant it casually. If

that

> > is so, why did the sages give elaborate procedures for upanayanam?

> >

> > By the way, Gayathri is not restricted only to Brahmins.... Even

> non-

> > Brahmins can chant Gayathri after upanayanam samskaar and getting

> > initiation.

> >

> > For those who wish to chant Gaayathri mantra without upanayanam

> there

> > is a Gayathri beeja mantra (composed only of beejas and no words

> > except swaahaa). You can get that rare beeja mantra from

competent

> > Gurus and chant it (I doubt if you can get a proper Guru who

knows

> > this). So sticking to the Gayathri sthothram will be best for you.

> >

> > Otherwise, go for the tantrik Gayathri

> > " Om Veda Maatre cha vidmahe Brahma Patnyai cha deemahii

> > Tanno Gaayathri prachodyaat "

> >

> > Anybody can chant this without any restriction and without any

fear

> > of curses or ritual violations.

> >

> > May Veda Maata Gaayathri Bless everyone.

> >

> > PS: Dear Group: I do not want Mr. Lalith or his admirers here

> > baiting me further with non-shastraic posts on this matter any

> > further. I am still posting here keeping aside my personal pain

> just

> > for the benefit of the group. What I have said is in consonance

> with

> > shaastras and on the explicity query addressed to me. Any person

> > with decency will avoid jutting in between. I am waiting for mr.

> > Lalith's ban yet! This is not vengeance... but the command of a

> vedic

> > Guru. Dharma shastra allows such actions. I have not hit him or

> > done anything to him. I seek his banishment from a domain where

you

> > people wish me to be a Guru and guide the group. I am within my

> > previleges to demand this. Otherwise, it is demeaning to my

> position

> > as a Guru, and unless I am a Guru, I am not obliged to share my

> rare

> > knowledge here. (Mr. Lalith may think any 100 Rs. book will teach

> > these things; the truth is ...it is not possible. Many books

> barring

> > a few exceptions are poorly researched and they cannot be relied

on

> > intricate dharma shastraic matters).

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > vedic astrology, " Manjunath, T (GE

> > Healthcare) " wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Pandit Dakshinamoorthi,

> > >

> > > Vanakkam, Please accept my sincere respects.

> > > As a learner, many of your posts are highly educative & your

> > > articulation & writing style is greatly admired.

> > >

> > > sir, your below mail on gayatri has confused me & therefore am

> > writing

> > > to you. i was planning to resume chanting this mantra shortly (

> > again

> > > mainly prompted by the mails in the group)

> > >

> > > As a hindu non-brahmin, not acquainted with tradition &

initiation

> > > rituals, what can a average person chant.

> > > i have even read ( not sure where) that un-initiated persons

chant

> > > gayatri by not chanting OM in the beginning of the mantra

> > >

> > > My request & query is to clarify how one can chant Gayatri

> without

> > the

> > > adverse effects.

> > >

> > > Kindly write in leisure & help us all as much details time

> permits

> > you.

> > > even suggestions of books to read, place to get initiation

> > > in bangalore will help, my wife can read tamil, so pls. suggest

> > > accordingly

> > >

> > > i have a different query on murugan yantra which i shall request

> > > separately

> > > am a noh brahmin hindu, vegetarian since 1.5 years, non smoker

&

> do

> > not

> > > use liquor.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > with best wishes & pranaams,

> > >

> > > Manju

> > >

> > > PS : for the group going-on's .. last night i remembered a

> > statement

> > > in tamil, am writing a rough translation, its a general

statment

> &

> > not

> > > specific to anybody.

> > >

> > > " Those who believe you... No explanation is needed. Those who

do

> > not

> > > believe you, No explanation can suffice "

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of

> > dakshinastrologer

> > > Monday, August 06, 2007 10:25 PM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: I AM SEEKING REAL , GENUINE ,

> > OBSERVED

> > > AND EXPERIENCED THOUGHT ON --WHETHER

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Chidambaram:

> > >

> > > Powerful mantras usually have a Utkeelana mantra or saapa

> nivaarana

> > > mantra to get them activated and to remove the curses

associated

> > with

> > > them.

> > >

> > > In fact the Great Gayathri mantra has 3 curses - Brahma saapa,

> > > Vasishta saapa, and Viswaamitra saapa. This was because anyone

> > > chanting the Gaayatri mantra can attain great siddhis, and such

> > power

> > > in the hands of persons with wrong attitudes can be disastrous

to

> > the

> > > more pacific living entities including " gods and demi-gods " .

> Thus,

> > > anyone chanting the Gaayathri mantra without saapa vimochana

> mantra

> > > will actually not experience its full wonders. And those who

> chant

> > > it without initiation will actually experience many obstacles

and

> > > dangers! It is stated in Viswamitra Samhita - Gaayathri paddati.

> > >

> > > " Saapa yuktaatu Gaayathri Chartur Varga phalaandakaa

> > > Saapa muktaatu Gaayathri chatur varga phalpradaa "

> > >

> > > Means Gaayathri with Saapa (i.e without removal of curse) will

> > cause

> > > destruction of 4 fold attainments of life (Dharma - Righteous

> > living,

> > > Artha - righteous earning of money, Kaama - righteous enjoyment

> of

> > > luxuries and pleasures, mokshaa - ultimate liberation), whereas

> > > Gaayathri relieved of the curses will cause gain of the 4 fold

> > > attainments.

> > >

> > > This injunction does not apply to those who do Gaayathri after

> > > upanayanam where the relevant mantras of activation are anyhow

> > > chanted. Even for these persons, the higher siddhis of the

> Gayathri

> > > mantra are locked if they chant the Gayathri without saapa

> > nivaarana

> > > mantra.

> > >

> > > Again, when mantraas are chanted, we should offer respects to

the

> > > Rishis (mantra drushtaas - seers of the mantra who first

> identified

> > > the mantra with their yogic vision); during the deeksha, naandi

> > homam

> > > is to be done to honour one's ancestors - When a person is

about

> to

> > > set foot in the path of spirituality, all his ancestors are

happy

> > and

> > > will congregate in that place of deeksha earnestly. So, they

> should

> > > be honoured auspiciously and their blessings should be sought.

> Then

> > > one should make " Japa prathignyaa " means declaration that this

is

> > the

> > > purpose of the deekshaa and I will definitely be regular in my

> > > chantings and will use my power only for good purposes.

Slipping

> in

> > > this promise after getting siddhis has been the nemesis of many

> > > mantra shaastra experts.

> > >

> > > Usually one should select one particular Deity (whatever it is)

> > > either according to one's family customs or using astrological

> > > methods to check Ishta/ phalana devataas, or by using one's own

> > > intuition and natural predisposition to pray to a particular

> Deity.

> > > The upaasanaa of that deity should be done after getting proper

> > > deekshaa which will ensure speedy perfection.

> > >

> > > For an accomplished practitioner, it will be hardly a matter of

> > half

> > > an hour of preliminary mantrik routines, and then they can

> > > concentrate on mantra japam as per their time availability and

> > > convenience. During emergencies these procedures can be

shortened.

> > >

> > > But,it is better to have a utkeelanam or saapa nivaaranam or

> > kavacha

> > > upadesham (most advanced mantras require kavacha recital before

> > > chanting of moola mantraas) initiated at least once before one

> > > proceeds with endless repetitions of mantras. If it could not

be

> > > done in the initial stages, at least when one reaches

significant

> > > land marks like 1 lakh japams, 24 lakh japams, or 1 crore japam

> > > counts, they may have these special elements initiated which

will

> > > immediately unlock the stored potential of all the japams give

> > > intense mystic experiences. Detailed procedures like yoginii

> > > nyaasam, aksharaa nyaasam (meditating on different aksharaas in

> > > different parts of the body as per traditions), etc. are also

> done

> > > during deeksha which helps the body to resonate well with the

> > mantra

> > > being chanted.Advanced spiritual Gurus are capable of giving

such

> > an

> > > experience by direct transfer of their power to the sishyaa. In

> > such

> > > a case, utkeelanam, kavacham, saapa nivaaranam, etc. are not

> > > necessary at all!

> > >

> > > For most common mantras, the use of anga nyaasam, kara nyaasam,

> and

> > > dig bandanam is enough; these procedures will be automatically

> > given

> > > in most standard works.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > , nagarajan chidambaram

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Panditji,

> > > >

> > > > Please accept my respectful, sincere obescience.

> > > >

> > > > I have been very closely following your posts and replies in

> this

> > > group for the past one year and have had the getting a deeper

> > > understanding on the subjects discussed.

> > > >

> > > > I am of the opinion that many like me do not understand the

> right

> > > way to chant a mantra. I understand that all the mantras have

> been

> > > locked by the creators just like a software being locked in a

way

> > > that it can be used only by the user knowing the key. That is

to

> > say

> > > that every mantra has a key and unless the person chanting the

> > mantra

> > > uses the key the results cannot be forthcoming. I am told that

> even

> > > the Gayatri mantra has been locked and it becomes potent only

> with

> > > the use of the appropriate key.

> > > >

> > > > How much of this is true can be clarified only by people of

> your

> > > stature.

> > > >

> > > > I can only beg all the noble souls who have the knowledge of

> the

> > > right usage of the mantra shastraa to enlighten the seekers and

> > help

> > > humanity regain the lost science of using the vibrational

science

> > for

> > > the benefit of mankind.

> > > >

> > > > Hope the noble souls, archangels, astral guides etal hear my

> > humble

> > > and earnest prayer enlighten me.

> > > >

> > > > Your humble admirer,

> > > >

> > > > Nagaajan.C

> > > >

> > > >

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