Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hi Group, Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream who lives 900 kms away from me. Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all unbelievable for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, she exists. group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either to pacify her or to control her, how ? regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Anitaji: > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and other > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble you > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to God > will win. > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, and > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually the > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is highly > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without recourse > to any magical remedies). > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand this. > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge of > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check the > concepts from original source. > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in most > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is worth a > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > trustworthy spiritual person. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > vedic astrology , anita anita > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in English > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in charts > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Anita > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith just > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I don't > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone. > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I HAVE > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is exactly > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > right > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > your > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to do > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is why > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism is > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, he > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to his > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human with > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > humble > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our pleas > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential to > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies are > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there is > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, my > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has misunderstood > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not about > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my abilities > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have > > the time to brood on that. > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he has > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > blatant > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, what > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he > > not > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your idiotic > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You would > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > failed > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted at > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > lines " > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > group.......Ask > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes > > tack > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But, > > you > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he > > has > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > situation > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss of > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is trying > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is > > all > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > claimed > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply > > gave > > > him. > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > urself, A > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I shared > > > with u > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. Constantly > u > > r > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame me > > for > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > single > > > word > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my > > birth > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) and > > > sent to > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some debilitated > > > planet, > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one, > > just > > > asked > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the Pandit > > Ji > > > was > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have no > > > rights. > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised and > > > became > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him > > > about my > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > this > > > created > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, But > > he > > > mailed > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth, > > very > > > normal > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when i > > > informed > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > already > > > seen > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > information, > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also, > > with > > > no > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any > > > thing, > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any > > > reason and > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > didn't > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > informing > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt > > > forget > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in the > > > group, > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on the > > > other he > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit Ji ? > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > There > > > is no > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. You > > > want to > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > twist > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, U > > > poker, > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > challange > > > or > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing openly, > u > > > keep > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull > > > knowledge > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u help > > me > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > year, > > > that u > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but > you > > > told > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found it > > out > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his > > > stature > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > predictions. > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact the > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " that > > you > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. In > > > your > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the > > > evidence > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that > > you > > > did > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, > you > > > are > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies > you > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > lies! > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord Shiva > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > vision > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart > > that > > > you > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > planets > > > in > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but > you > > > have > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified > > with > > > a > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but > > they > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over > the > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before > > > giving > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your > > > Brahmin > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > person > > or > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings > > well. > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have > in > > > that > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by > > > following > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an > open > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > etc. " > > > The > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > sources > > > so > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > knowing > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified to > > > comment > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that > > > ancients > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons can > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in > the > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there > > young > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > Panditji; > > > but > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > into > > an > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid personality > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a > > > personal > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged after > > he > > > has > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul > > who > > > is > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered as > a > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > personal > > > in > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even in > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > really > > > put > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > replying > > > > > to me. > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, > I > > > will > > > > > tell u > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > Preeti > > > and > > > > > other > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > caught > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto > > > where > > > > > it is > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she > > saw > > > my > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger > > to > > > me, > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this > > may > > > look > > > > > good > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact > me > > > as i > > > > > dont > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd > > have > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and > we > > > all > > > > > are > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > throuh > > > net > > > > > and > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her > > > > > physically. > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need > > to > > > ne > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > interprition > > > > > that u do > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about > > her, > > > she > > > > > is a > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, > She > > > > > again met > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is > a > > > > > Software > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit > > > Germany, > > > > > All > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me and > > > then a > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > proposed > > > > > her, > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong to > > a > > > good > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life > > > with > > > > > a such > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life > > and > > > > > values of > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > happened > > > and > > > > > still > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, > I > > > saw > > > > > Shani > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > protection > > > > > form > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, what > i > > > > > could do > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens is, > > in a > > > > > minute > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail, > > he > > > was > > > > > with > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me, > > she > > > > > lives in > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted > to > > > > > write a > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn > > > Played > > > > > a > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I > > > happen > > > > > to > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > members, > > > I > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region in > > > software > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the group, > > My > > > own > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my > > > mistake > > > > > and i > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > jobless, I > > > > > gave > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > projects > > > in his > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people. > > Next > > > day > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > addressed > > > > > him with > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect > > > towards > > > > > me > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he > > and > > > > > many > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in between > > me > > > and > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or all > > was > > > > > planned > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives > in, > > If > > > > > she is a > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, > in > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she > > was > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was in > > > Noida > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > department > > > > > of > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > have > > > not > > > > > met > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and > > > more, > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have > not > > > got > > > > > enough > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know > > every > > > > > bit of > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and > > start > > > > > doing > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future. > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > case, > > > coz > > > > > i had > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > grateful > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > really > > > > > exists, > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > contact > > > > > with her > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay whatever > u > > > > > demand. > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u cant > > do, > > > I > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji > > all > > > > > the time > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > birth, > > > It > > > > > was me > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell > me > > > any > > > > > thing > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > storey, he > > > > > said > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I > > > asked > > > > > him to > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart > > the > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, > I > > > saw > > > > > him > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to > > > > > interefere > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont > > know > > > > > anything > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that > she > > > sent > > > > > to me > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > known > > > all > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > Jyotisam > > > are > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > mighty > > > arts > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to > > > pass > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > persons > > of > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life > > with > > > a > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he > > has > > > not > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he > > > should > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > levels > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do > > you > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken > when > > > they > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level > > of a > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this > > > regard > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet > > on > > > > > that. > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions > to > > > deny > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not > > have > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > have > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt > > > others > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that > > > without > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't > pass > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > basic > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > indicate > > > > > from > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > field > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > prediction in > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > astrological > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of > > > behaving > > > > > with > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > you - > > a > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know > > the > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > usually. > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that, > > it > > > is a > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > insulting and > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing > > on > > > the > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern > > > > > research > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the > > need > > > for > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who > > > follow > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in > all > > > these > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara > > > has its > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth though > > > times > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > through > > > the > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has > > not > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. > > Only > > > > > minor > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > predictions to > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of > > > ur's > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > discover > > > more > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > right, > > > check > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > mind, i > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they > > > didn't > > > > > like > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji > as > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart > > like > > > > > break > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in > > > sense > > > > > of > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, > u > > > > > should > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i > > say, > > > more > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > where > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to > > see > > > ur > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > discussed > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average > > > looks, > > > > > He > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet > > > person, > > > > > i > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good > > looks > > > and > > > > > good > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was > > > asking > > > > > him > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > astrology > > > in > > > > > your > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > things? > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and > > not > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > classifications > > > and > > > > > are > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > comment > > on > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering > is > > > there, > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > happens to > > > > > few > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > refused....you > > > > > think > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible > > you > > > > > would > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > Panditji > > > has > > > > > time > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world > > is > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > slave > > > or > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > him? > > > He is > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service > > for > > > your > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > Guruji! > > > Do > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this > > > (your > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You > > say > > > the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > Panditji > > > has > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with > > > Shri. > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > things? > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > classifications > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > comment > > > on > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of > > > person > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > astrology > > > is > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your > > > > > failure > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is > it > > > true > > > > > or > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only > > > because of > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > attitude; > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away > > from > > > you. > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > after > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing " > > > them > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > persistently. > > > Your > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > proposal - > > > her > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > etc. > > > any of > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but > > > knowing > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is > > in > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " > will > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > glorify > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable > of! > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > definitely he > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled > you > > > about > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not > > have > > > got > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying > > and > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his > > > mobile > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt > > in > > > his > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man > > or > > > his > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over > the > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for > > > himself? > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks > > as > > > if > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > people > > > like > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries > to > > > help > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > astrology, > > > > > about > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as > > Shri. > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i > > asked > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give > > his > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > consultation > > > a > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > communication > > > over > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > mantra, > > > i > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made > > was > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the > > > timing > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said > > that > > > it's > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and > > then > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later, > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical > > > ailments > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > strongly > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet > > > and to > > > > > use > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > communication, > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > communication > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i > > > myself > > > > > gave > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going > > to > > > fear > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by > > > many > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > everything > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > records, > > > with > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain > > > one's > > > > > faith > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced > > > level u > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u > > make > > > ur > > > > > mood > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in > ur > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > advanced > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested > > in > > > the > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in > > ur's > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same > > to > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come > to > > an > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > knowledgable > > > > > people > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > remedies > > > and > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same > > > respect > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > Pls. > > > check > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction > > > between > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > from > > > me. I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also > > > based on > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and > > > > > problem > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble > > > due to > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). > > I > > > had > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare > > the > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter > > to > > > him. > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that > > > effect and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. > > He > > > later > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > entity. > > I > > > > > replied > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor > > into > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is > > > likely to > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot > > > trouble > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on > his > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, > > I > > > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > 2009. > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough > > and > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > predicted > > > the > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb > > > 2008! I > > > > > had > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > modification > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > sharing the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about > > why I > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that > I > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, > or > > > else > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is > > an > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > offhand > > > may be > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > into > > > each > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might > > > not be > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > end! > > > If I > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how > > can I > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > understand > > > this? > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in > > the > > > best > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us > > for > > > your > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > authentic > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who > is > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that > > I > > > am > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > interests. > > > He > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am > > > pained > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > things > > is > > > > > not a > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me > of > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting > > as > > > per > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives > > to > > > me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > astrologer > > > > > gets > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------- -- > - > > -- > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness > > is > > > the > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the > > nude > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > professional > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge > > is > > > very > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because > it > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA > > list, > > > many > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are > > > wondering > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > posting of > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > information? I > > > > > am > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice > > > from > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my > > > clients. > > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of > > being > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or > > the > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > acted > > > in the > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in > > this > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all > > ur > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > must > > > say > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have > > > asked u > > > > > for > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > records. My > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > don't > > > gain > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I agree with Respected Shri Dakshinamurthyji's words- no entity can stand against a true devoteee of God. These are golden words. for the benefit of everyone I cite my personal experience. In 2006 when I was already running through bad times (I was not aware that time, my family life was not good for the last 5 years). I always have the habit of lighting the lamp and praying both morning and evening whatever it is before I did anything. I have been doing this for many years as a schedule. My husband always took a bath late evening after 8.00Pm, I never liked this because it interfered with my evening prayers. He never prayed. although it is a common practise abroad, I personally do not like to take a bath after lighting the lamp and sunset. So out of anger, since he was not changing, i stopped lighting the lamp in the evening- what changes!!! life become a hell, a disaster within three days. I realized my mistake- God was indeed preventing the evil spirits from entering the household. Lighting the lamp and praying to God is remedy for everything. Bhagavathi vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Hi Group, > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream who > lives 900 kms away from me. > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all unbelievable > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > she exists. > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either to > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and other > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble you > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > God > > will win. > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, and > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > the > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > highly > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > recourse > > to any magical remedies). > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > this. > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > of > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > the > > concepts from original source. > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > most > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is worth > a > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > vedic astrology , anita anita > > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in English > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > charts > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > just > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > don't > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone. > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > HAVE > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > exactly > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > right > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > your > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to > do > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > why > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > is > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > he > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > his > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > with > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > humble > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > pleas > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > to > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > are > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there > is > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > my > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > misunderstood > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > about > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > abilities > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > has > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > blatant > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > what > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he > > > not > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > idiotic > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > would > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > failed > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > at > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > lines " > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > group.......Ask > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes > > > tack > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But, > > > you > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he > > > has > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > situation > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > of > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > trying > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is > > > all > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > claimed > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply > > > gave > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > urself, A > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > shared > > > > with u > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > Constantly > > u > > > r > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > me > > > for > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > single > > > > word > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my > > > birth > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > and > > > > sent to > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > debilitated > > > > planet, > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one, > > > just > > > > asked > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > Pandit > > > Ji > > > > was > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have > no > > > > rights. > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > and > > > > became > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him > > > > about my > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > this > > > > created > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > But > > > he > > > > mailed > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth, > > > very > > > > normal > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when > i > > > > informed > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > already > > > > seen > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > information, > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also, > > > with > > > > no > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any > > > > thing, > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any > > > > reason and > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > didn't > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > informing > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt > > > > forget > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > the > > > > group, > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > the > > > > other he > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > There > > > > is no > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > You > > > > want to > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > twist > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, > U > > > > poker, > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > challange > > > > or > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > openly, > > u > > > > keep > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull > > > > knowledge > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > help > > > me > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > year, > > > > that u > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but > > you > > > > told > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found > it > > > out > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his > > > > stature > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > predictions. > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact > the > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > that > > > you > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. > In > > > > your > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the > > > > evidence > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that > > > you > > > > did > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, > > you > > > > are > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies > > you > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > Shiva > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > vision > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart > > > that > > > > you > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but > > you > > > > have > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but > > > they > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over > > the > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before > > > > giving > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > person > > > or > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings > > > well. > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have > > in > > > > that > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by > > > > following > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an > > open > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > etc. " > > > > The > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > sources > > > > so > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > knowing > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > to > > > > comment > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that > > > > ancients > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons > can > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in > > the > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there > > > young > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > Panditji; > > > > but > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > into > > > an > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > personality > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a > > > > personal > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > after > > > he > > > > has > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered > as > > a > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > personal > > > > in > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even > in > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > really > > > > put > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > nothing > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > replying > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > true, > > I > > > > will > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > Preeti > > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > caught > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > upto > > > > where > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > she > > > saw > > > > my > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > younger > > > to > > > > me, > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this > > > may > > > > look > > > > > > good > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact > > me > > > > as i > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd > > > have > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and > > we > > > > all > > > > > > are > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > throuh > > > > net > > > > > > and > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > need > > > to > > > > ne > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > interprition > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about > > > her, > > > > she > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, > > She > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She > is > > a > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit > > > > Germany, > > > > > > All > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > and > > > > then a > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > proposed > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong > to > > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > life > > > > with > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > life > > > and > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > happened > > > > and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > puja, > > I > > > > saw > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > protection > > > > > > form > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > what > > i > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > is, > > > in a > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > Retail, > > > he > > > > was > > > > > > with > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation > of > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > me, > > > she > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > wanted > > to > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > Saturn > > > > Played > > > > > > a > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, > I > > > > happen > > > > > > to > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > members, > > > > I > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > in > > > > software > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > group, > > > My > > > > own > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > my > > > > mistake > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > projects > > > > in his > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people. > > > Next > > > > day > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > addressed > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > respect > > > > towards > > > > > > me > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know > he > > > and > > > > > > many > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > between > > > me > > > > and > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > all > > > was > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives > > in, > > > If > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > in > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > is, > > in > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she > > > was > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was > in > > > > Noida > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > department > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > have > > > > not > > > > > > met > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > and > > > > more, > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have > > not > > > > got > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know > > > every > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and > > > start > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > case, > > > > coz > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > grateful > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > really > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > contact > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > whatever > > u > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > cant > > > do, > > > > I > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was > not > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit > Ji > > > all > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > birth, > > > > It > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell > > me > > > > any > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > storey, he > > > > > > said > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, > I > > > > asked > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > chart > > > the > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > sleeping, > > I > > > > saw > > > > > > him > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal > to > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > dont > > > know > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that > > she > > > > sent > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > known > > > > all > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > Jyotisam > > > > are > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > mighty > > > > arts > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying > to > > > > pass > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > persons > > > of > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > Not a > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > he > > > has > > > > not > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he > > > > should > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > levels > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > do > > > you > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken > > when > > > > they > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > level > > > of a > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > this > > > > regard > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > bet > > > on > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions > > to > > > > deny > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > not > > > have > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > have > > > > found > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > hurt > > > > others > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > that > > > > without > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't > > pass > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > basic > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > advanced > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > indicate > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > field > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of > > > > behaving > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > you - > > > a > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > know > > > the > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > that, > > > it > > > > is a > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > his > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > capitalizing > > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > research, " modern > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the > > > need > > > > for > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who > > > > follow > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in > > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > Parampara > > > > has its > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > though > > > > times > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > has > > > not > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. > > > Only > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level > of > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > discover > > > > more > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > right, > > > > check > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > mind, i > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > they > > > > didn't > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > Panditji > > as > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart > > > like > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up > in > > > > sense > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > sometimes, > > u > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i > > > say, > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > where > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to > > > see > > > > ur > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > average > > > > looks, > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > sweet > > > > person, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good > > > looks > > > > and > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > was > > > > asking > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > astrology > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > your > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > things? > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > classifications > > > > and > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > comment > > > on > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering > > is > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > happens to > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > refused....you > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > you > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > irresponsible > > > you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > world > > > is > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of > the > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > slave > > > > or > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > him? > > > > He is > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service > > > for > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > Guruji! > > > > Do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > this > > > > (your > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You > > > say > > > > the > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > with > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > things? > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > classifications > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > comment > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort > of > > > > person > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > astrology > > > > is > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > your > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is > > it > > > > true > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > attitude; > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away > > > from > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but > my > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > after > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > been " chasing " > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > persistently. > > > > Your > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > proposal - > > > > her > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > etc. > > > > any of > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but > > > > knowing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing > is > > > in > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " > > will > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > glorify > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable > > of! > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled > > you > > > > about > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not > > > have > > > > got > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > justifying > > > and > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right > to > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his > > > > mobile > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > prompt > > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > man > > > or > > > > his > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > but > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over > > the > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for > > > > himself? > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > speaks > > > as > > > > if > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > people > > > > like > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries > > to > > > > help > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > Improve > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > astrology, > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as > > > Shri. > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i > > > asked > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > give > > > his > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > consultation > > > > a > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > communication > > > > over > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > mantra, > > > > i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > made > > > was > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > the > > > > timing > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said > > > that > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and > > > then > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > Later, > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical > > > > ailments > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > strongly > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > internet > > > > and to > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > communication, > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > communication > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if > i > > > > myself > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > going > > > to > > > > fear > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > providing > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized > by > > > > many > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > everything > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > records, > > > > with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > gain > > > > one's > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > advanced > > > > level u > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u > > > make > > > > ur > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > in > > ur > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > advanced > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > interested > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > in > > > ur's > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > same > > > to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come > > to > > > an > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > knowledgable > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > remedies > > > > and > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > same > > > > respect > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > Pls. > > > > check > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction > > > > between > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > from > > > > me. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also > > > > based on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays > and > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > The > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > (trouble > > > > due to > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > family). > > > I > > > > had > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > scare > > > the > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > matter > > > to > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > performed. > > > He > > > > later > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > himself > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > entity. > > > I > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > factor > > > into > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > cannot > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on > > his > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > suggested, > > > I > > > > had > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > 2009. > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > tough > > > and > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors > and > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > predicted > > > > the > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > modification > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage > to > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about > > > why I > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > that > > I > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, > > or > > > > else > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna > is > > > an > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > offhand > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > into > > > > each > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > might > > > > not be > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at > me > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > end! > > > > If I > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how > > > can I > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > understand > > > > this? > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in > > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us > > > for > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > authentic > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > who > > is > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > that > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > interests. > > > > He > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am > > > > pained > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > things > > > is > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > me > > of > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > acting > > > as > > > > per > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > motives > > > to > > > > me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > astrologer > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- -- > -- > > - > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > frankness > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the > > > nude > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > Asking > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > knowledge > > > is > > > > very > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because > > it > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA > > > list, > > > > many > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > information? I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > advice > > > > from > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my > > > > clients. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of > > > being > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something > or > > > the > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > acted > > > > in the > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > other > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in > > > this > > > > with > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > all > > > ur > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > must > > > > say > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > have > > > > asked u > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, > if > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > don't > > > > gain > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Dear Shri. Lalith: Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even think like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, they will do your bidding and leave you in peace. That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in peace.....Peace be everywhere " . The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, one who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads Raamaayana regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with spirits. The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace and also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these measures. Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour your sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, bangles, etc.) By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of auspicious events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members here will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness of groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out to pray for each other!) I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not saying it is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash will be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it can be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying to challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request will! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Hi Group, > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream who > lives 900 kms away from me. > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all unbelievable > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > she exists. > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either to > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and other > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble you > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > God > > will win. > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, and > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > the > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > highly > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > recourse > > to any magical remedies). > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > this. > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > of > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > the > > concepts from original source. > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > most > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is worth > a > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > vedic astrology , anita anita > > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in English > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > charts > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > just > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and email > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back as > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > don't > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with anyone. > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > HAVE > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He is > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; you > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am too > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > exactly > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > right > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > your > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got to > do > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > why > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > is > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help him > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly gone > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > he > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > his > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > with > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > humble > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > pleas > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > to > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events for > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > are > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and there > is > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point of > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > my > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later check > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > misunderstood > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > about > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I have > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > abilities > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I have > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - I > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > has > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > blatant > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, I > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > what > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does he > > > not > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > idiotic > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > would > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > failed > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > at > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > lines " > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > group.......Ask > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who changes > > > tack > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers who > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! But, > > > you > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if he > > > has > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > situation > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > of > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > trying > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what is > > > all > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with a > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > claimed > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, simply > > > gave > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > urself, A > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > shared > > > > with u > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > Constantly > > u > > > r > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > me > > > for > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > single > > > > word > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted my > > > birth > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > and > > > > sent to > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > debilitated > > > > planet, > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any one, > > > just > > > > asked > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > Pandit > > > Ji > > > > was > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i have > no > > > > rights. > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > and > > > > became > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed him > > > > about my > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > this > > > > created > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > But > > > he > > > > mailed > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous birth, > > > very > > > > normal > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but when > i > > > > informed > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > already > > > > seen > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > information, > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this also, > > > with > > > > no > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining any > > > > thing, > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell any > > > > reason and > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > didn't > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > informing > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he didnt > > > > forget > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > the > > > > group, > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > the > > > > other he > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > There > > > > is no > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > You > > > > want to > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > twist > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic Granthas, > U > > > > poker, > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > challange > > > > or > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > openly, > > u > > > > keep > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a handfull > > > > knowledge > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > help > > > me > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > year, > > > > that u > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits but > > you > > > > told > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already found > it > > > out > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of his > > > > stature > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > predictions. > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In fact > the > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > that > > > you > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly apparition. > In > > > > your > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see the > > > > evidence > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects that > > > you > > > > did > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my friend, > > you > > > > are > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your lies > > you > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > Shiva > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > vision > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna chart > > > that > > > > you > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; but > > you > > > > have > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have classified > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; but > > > they > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment over > > the > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya before > > > > giving > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at your > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > person > > > or > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the teachings > > > well. > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you have > > in > > > > that > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes by > > > > following > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with an > > open > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with the > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > etc. " > > > > The > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > sources > > > > so > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > knowing > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > to > > > > comment > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, that > > > > ancients > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good persons > can > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery in > > the > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is there > > > young > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > Panditji; > > > > but > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > into > > > an > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > personality > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such a > > > > personal > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > after > > > he > > > > has > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble soul > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is considered > as > > a > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > personal > > > > in > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or even > in > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but his > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > really > > > > put > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > nothing > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > replying > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > true, > > I > > > > will > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > Preeti > > > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > caught > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > upto > > > > where > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > she > > > saw > > > > my > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > younger > > > to > > > > me, > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this > > > may > > > > look > > > > > > good > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact > > me > > > > as i > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd > > > have > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and > > we > > > > all > > > > > > are > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > throuh > > > > net > > > > > > and > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > need > > > to > > > > ne > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > interprition > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about > > > her, > > > > she > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, > > She > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She > is > > a > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to visit > > > > Germany, > > > > > > All > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > and > > > > then a > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > proposed > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't belong > to > > > a > > > > good > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > life > > > > with > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > life > > > and > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > happened > > > > and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > puja, > > I > > > > saw > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > protection > > > > > > form > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > what > > i > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > is, > > > in a > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > Retail, > > > he > > > > was > > > > > > with > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation > of > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > me, > > > she > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > wanted > > to > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > Saturn > > > > Played > > > > > > a > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, > I > > > > happen > > > > > > to > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > members, > > > > I > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > in > > > > software > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > group, > > > My > > > > own > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > my > > > > mistake > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > projects > > > > in his > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people. > > > Next > > > > day > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > addressed > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > respect > > > > towards > > > > > > me > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know > he > > > and > > > > > > many > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > between > > > me > > > > and > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > all > > > was > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she lives > > in, > > > If > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > in > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > is, > > in > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she > > > was > > > > not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She was > in > > > > Noida > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > department > > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > have > > > > not > > > > > > met > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > and > > > > more, > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have > > not > > > > got > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know > > > every > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and > > > start > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > case, > > > > coz > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > grateful > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > really > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > contact > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > whatever > > u > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > cant > > > do, > > > > I > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was > not > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit > Ji > > > all > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > birth, > > > > It > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell > > me > > > > any > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > storey, he > > > > > > said > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, > I > > > > asked > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > chart > > > the > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > sleeping, > > I > > > > saw > > > > > > him > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal > to > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > dont > > > know > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that > > she > > > > sent > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > known > > > > all > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > Jyotisam > > > > are > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > mighty > > > > arts > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying > to > > > > pass > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > persons > > > of > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > Not a > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > he > > > has > > > > not > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he > > > > should > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > levels > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > do > > > you > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken > > when > > > > they > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > level > > > of a > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > this > > > > regard > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > bet > > > on > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own versions > > to > > > > deny > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > not > > > have > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > have > > > > found > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > hurt > > > > others > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > that > > > > without > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. Don't > > pass > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > basic > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > advanced > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > indicate > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > field > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of > > > > behaving > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > you - > > > a > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > know > > > the > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > that, > > > it > > > > is a > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > his > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > capitalizing > > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > research, " modern > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the > > > need > > > > for > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who > > > > follow > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in > > all > > > > these > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > Parampara > > > > has its > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > though > > > > times > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > has > > > not > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. > > > Only > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level > of > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > discover > > > > more > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > right, > > > > check > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > mind, i > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > they > > > > didn't > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > Panditji > > as > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart > > > like > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up > in > > > > sense > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > sometimes, > > u > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i > > > say, > > > > more > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > where > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to > > > see > > > > ur > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > average > > > > looks, > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > sweet > > > > person, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good > > > looks > > > > and > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > was > > > > asking > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > astrology > > > > in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > your > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > things? > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > classifications > > > > and > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > comment > > > on > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering > > is > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > happens to > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > refused....you > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > you > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > irresponsible > > > you > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > world > > > is > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of > the > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > slave > > > > or > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > him? > > > > He is > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service > > > for > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > Guruji! > > > > Do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > this > > > > (your > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You > > > say > > > > the > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > with > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > things? > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > classifications > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > comment > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort > of > > > > person > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > astrology > > > > is > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > your > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is > > it > > > > true > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > attitude; > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away > > > from > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but > my > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > after > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > been " chasing " > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > persistently. > > > > Your > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > proposal - > > > > her > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > etc. > > > > any of > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but > > > > knowing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing > is > > > in > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " > > will > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > glorify > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable > > of! > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled > > you > > > > about > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not > > > have > > > > got > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > justifying > > > and > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right > to > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his > > > > mobile > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > prompt > > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > man > > > or > > > > his > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > but > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over > > the > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for > > > > himself? > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > speaks > > > as > > > > if > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > people > > > > like > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries > > to > > > > help > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > Improve > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > astrology, > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as > > > Shri. > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i > > > asked > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > give > > > his > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > consultation > > > > a > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > communication > > > > over > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > mantra, > > > > i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > made > > > was > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > the > > > > timing > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said > > > that > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and > > > then > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > Later, > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical > > > > ailments > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > strongly > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > internet > > > > and to > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > communication, > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > communication > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if > i > > > > myself > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > going > > > to > > > > fear > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > providing > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized > by > > > > many > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > everything > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > records, > > > > with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > gain > > > > one's > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > advanced > > > > level u > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u > > > make > > > > ur > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > in > > ur > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > advanced > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > interested > > > in > > > > the > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > in > > > ur's > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > same > > > to > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come > > to > > > an > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > knowledgable > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > remedies > > > > and > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > same > > > > respect > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > Pls. > > > > check > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction > > > > between > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > from > > > > me. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also > > > > based on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays > and > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > The > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > (trouble > > > > due to > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > family). > > > I > > > > had > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > scare > > > the > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > matter > > > to > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > performed. > > > He > > > > later > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > himself > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > entity. > > > I > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > factor > > > into > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > cannot > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on > > his > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > suggested, > > > I > > > > had > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > 2009. > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > tough > > > and > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors > and > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > predicted > > > > the > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > modification > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage > to > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about > > > why I > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > that > > I > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, > > or > > > > else > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna > is > > > an > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > offhand > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > into > > > > each > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > might > > > > not be > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at > me > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > end! > > > > If I > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how > > > can I > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > understand > > > > this? > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in > > > the > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us > > > for > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > authentic > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > who > > is > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > that > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > interests. > > > > He > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am > > > > pained > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > things > > > is > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > me > > of > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > acting > > > as > > > > per > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > motives > > > to > > > > me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > astrologer > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- -- > -- > > - > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > frankness > > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the > > > nude > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > Asking > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > knowledge > > > is > > > > very > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because > > it > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA > > > list, > > > > many > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > information? I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > advice > > > > from > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my > > > > clients. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of > > > being > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something > or > > > the > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > acted > > > > in the > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > other > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in > > > this > > > > with > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > all > > > ur > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > must > > > > say > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > have > > > > asked u > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, > if > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > don't > > > > gain > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear lalitji . yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views and pls do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained ones .Evn good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord parasurama to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra and some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r practised by some big families and their branches) are also maximum pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even distroy the tantrik family also many generations without remedies .And annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for prathikara bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very expensive also. regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even think > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, they > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, one > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads Raamaayana > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with spirits. > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace and > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > measures. > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour your > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > bangles, etc.) > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of auspicious > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members here > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness of > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out to > pray for each other!) > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not saying it > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash will > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it can > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying to > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > will! > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Group, > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > who > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > unbelievable > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > > she exists. > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either > to > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > other > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > you > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > > God > > > will win. > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > and > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > > the > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > highly > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > recourse > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > > this. > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > > of > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > > the > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > > most > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > worth > > a > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > vedic astrology , anita anita > > > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > English > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > charts > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > > just > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > email > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back > as > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > > don't > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > anyone. > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > > HAVE > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He > is > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; > you > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am > too > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > exactly > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > > right > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > > your > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got > to > > do > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > > why > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > > is > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > him > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > gone > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > > he > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > > his > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > > with > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > > humble > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > > pleas > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > > to > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events > for > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > > are > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > there > > is > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point > of > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > > my > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > check > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > misunderstood > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > > about > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > have > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > abilities > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > have > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - > I > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > > has > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > blatant > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, > I > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > > what > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does > he > > > > not > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > idiotic > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > would > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > > failed > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > > at > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > > lines " > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > group.......Ask > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > changes > > > > tack > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers > who > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > But, > > > > you > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if > he > > > > has > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > situation > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > > of > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > trying > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what > is > > > > all > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with > a > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > claimed > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > simply > > > > gave > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > shared > > > > > with u > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > Constantly > > > u > > > > r > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > > me > > > > for > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > > single > > > > > word > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted > my > > > > birth > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > > and > > > > > sent to > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > debilitated > > > > > planet, > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > one, > > > > just > > > > > asked > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > Pandit > > > > Ji > > > > > was > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > have > > no > > > > > rights. > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > > and > > > > > became > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed > him > > > > > about my > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > > this > > > > > created > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > > But > > > > he > > > > > mailed > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > birth, > > > > very > > > > > normal > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > when > > i > > > > > informed > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > > already > > > > > seen > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > > information, > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > also, > > > > with > > > > > no > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining > any > > > > > thing, > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell > any > > > > > reason and > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > > didn't > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > > informing > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > didnt > > > > > forget > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > > the > > > > > other he > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > > There > > > > > is no > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > > You > > > > > want to > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > > twist > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > Granthas, > > U > > > > > poker, > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > challange > > > > > or > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > openly, > > > u > > > > > keep > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > handfull > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > > help > > > > me > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > > year, > > > > > that u > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > but > > > you > > > > > told > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > found > > it > > > > out > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > his > > > > > stature > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > fact > > the > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > apparition. > > In > > > > > your > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see > the > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > that > > > > you > > > > > did > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > friend, > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > lies > > > you > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > > Shiva > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > > vision > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > chart > > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > but > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > classified > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; > but > > > > they > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > over > > > the > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > before > > > > > giving > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > your > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > > person > > > > or > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > teachings > > > > well. > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > have > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes > by > > > > > following > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with > an > > > open > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with > the > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > > etc. " > > > > > The > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > > sources > > > > > so > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > > knowing > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > > to > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > that > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > persons > > can > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery > in > > > the > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > there > > > > young > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > Panditji; > > > > > but > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > > into > > > > an > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > personality > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such > a > > > > > personal > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > after > > > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > soul > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > considered > > as > > > a > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > personal > > > > > in > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > even > > in > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but > his > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > > really > > > > > put > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > nothing > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > > replying > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > true, > > > I > > > > > will > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > > Preeti > > > > > and > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > > caught > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > > upto > > > > > where > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > > she > > > > saw > > > > > my > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > younger > > > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > this > > > > may > > > > > look > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > contact > > > me > > > > > as i > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she > w'd > > > > have > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place > and > > > we > > > > > all > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > > throuh > > > > > net > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen > her > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > > need > > > > to > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > interprition > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > about > > > > her, > > > > > she > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > chart, > > > She > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > She > > is > > > a > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > visit > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > > and > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > belong > > to > > > > a > > > > > good > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > > life > > > > > with > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > > life > > > > and > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > happened > > > > > and > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > puja, > > > I > > > > > saw > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > > protection > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > > what > > > i > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > > is, > > > > in a > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > Retail, > > > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > reconcilation > > of > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > > me, > > > > she > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > wanted > > > to > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > Saturn > > > > > Played > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > Priya, > > I > > > > > happen > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > > members, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > > in > > > > > software > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > group, > > > > My > > > > > own > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > > my > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > projects > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > people. > > > > Next > > > > > day > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > > addressed > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > respect > > > > > towards > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > know > > he > > > > and > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > between > > > > me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > > all > > > > was > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > lives > > > in, > > > > If > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > > in > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > > is, > > > in > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, > she > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > was > > in > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > > department > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > > have > > > > > not > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > > and > > > > > more, > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > have > > > not > > > > > got > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > know > > > > every > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > and > > > > start > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > > case, > > > > > coz > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > grateful > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > > really > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > > contact > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > whatever > > > u > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > > cant > > > > do, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > was > > not > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > Pandit > > Ji > > > > all > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > > birth, > > > > > It > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > tell > > > me > > > > > any > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > wrong, > > I > > > > > asked > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > chart > > > > the > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > sleeping, > > > I > > > > > saw > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > Rafal > > to > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > > dont > > > > know > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > that > > > she > > > > > sent > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > > known > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > > mighty > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > trying > > to > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > persons > > > > of > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > life > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > > Not a > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > > he > > > > has > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think > he > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > > levels > > > > > to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > > do > > > > you > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken > > > when > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > level > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > > this > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > > bet > > > > on > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > versions > > > to > > > > > deny > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > > not > > > > have > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > > have > > > > > found > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > > hurt > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > > that > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > Don't > > > pass > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > > basic > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > advanced > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > > indicate > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > > field > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes > of > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > > you - > > > > a > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > > know > > > > the > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > mails > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to > look > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > > that, > > > > it > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > > his > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > capitalizing > > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > research, " modern > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > the > > > > need > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those > who > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient > in > > > all > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > Parampara > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > though > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > > has > > > > not > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > changed. > > > > Only > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > level > > of > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > discover > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > > right, > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > > they > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > Panditji > > > as > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > chart > > > > like > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak > up > > in > > > > > sense > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > sometimes, > > > u > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why > i > > > > say, > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > > where > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy > to > > > > see > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > average > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > sweet > > > > > person, > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > good > > > > looks > > > > > and > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > > was > > > > > asking > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > astrology > > > > > in > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > > your > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > things? > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > classifications > > > > > and > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > comment > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > Engineering > > > is > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science > is > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > irresponsible > > > > you > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > Panditji > > > > > has > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > > world > > > > is > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording > of > > the > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > > slave > > > > > or > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > > him? > > > > > He is > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > service > > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > > Guruji! > > > > > Do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked > his > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > > this > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! > You > > > > say > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > Panditji > > > > > has > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > > with > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking > why > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > things? > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > Vedas > > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > classifications > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > comment > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > sort > > of > > > > > person > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > astrology > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > > your > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > circle.....is > > > it > > > > > true > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > only > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > away > > > > from > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > but > > my > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > > after > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > been " chasing " > > > > > them > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > persistently. > > > > > Your > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > proposal - > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > > etc. > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - > but > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > nothing > > is > > > > in > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > scientific > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > your " researches " > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > capable > > > of! > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > counselled > > > you > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > not > > > > have > > > > > got > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > justifying > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > right > > to > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I > am > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have > his > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > prompt > > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > > man > > > > or > > > > > his > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > > > but > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > over > > > the > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time > for > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > speaks > > > > as > > > > > if > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > > people > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > tries > > > to > > > > > help > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > Improve > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented > as > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when > i > > > > asked > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > > give > > > > his > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > consultation > > > > > a > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > communication > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > > mantra, > > > > > i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > right > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > > made > > > > was > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > > the > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > said > > > > that > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude > and > > > > then > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > > Later, > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion > on > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > physical > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > strongly > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > internet > > > > > and to > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more > pain > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > communication, > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, > if > > i > > > > > myself > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > going > > > > to > > > > > fear > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > providing > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > realized > > by > > > > > many > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > > everything > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > records, > > > > > with > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > > gain > > > > > one's > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > advanced > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that > u > > > > make > > > > > ur > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > > in > > > ur > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > interested > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > > in > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > > same > > > > to > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > come > > > to > > > > an > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > remedies > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > > same > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > > Pls. > > > > > check > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > interaction > > > > > between > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > > from > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > also > > > > > based on > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > delays > > and > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > > The > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > (trouble > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > family). > > > > I > > > > > had > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > scare > > > > the > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > matter > > > > to > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > that > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > performed. > > > > He > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > himself > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > entity. > > > > I > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > factor > > > > into > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity > is > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > cannot > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based > on > > > his > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > suggested, > > > > I > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > > 2009. > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > > tough > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > factors > > and > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > predicted > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in > Feb > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > modification > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > marriage > > to > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > about > > > > why I > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > > that > > > I > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > him, > > > or > > > > > else > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > prashna > > is > > > > an > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > offhand > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > > into > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > > might > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting > at > > me > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > > end! > > > > > If I > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person > how > > > > can I > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > understand > > > > > this? > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted > in > > > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between > us > > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > authentic > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > > who > > > is > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > > that > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > interests. > > > > > He > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I > am > > > > > pained > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > > things > > > > is > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > > me > > > of > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > acting > > > > as > > > > > per > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > motives > > > > to > > > > > me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- > -- > > -- > > > - > > > > -- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > frankness > > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > the > > > > nude > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > > Asking > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > knowledge > > > > is > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > because > > > it > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the > VA > > > > list, > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > are > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > advice > > > > > from > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling > my > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me > of > > > > being > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > something > > or > > > > the > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > > acted > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > > other > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed > in > > > > this > > > > > with > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > > all > > > > ur > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > > must > > > > > say > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > > have > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > charts, > > if > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without > any > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > > don't > > > > > gain > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Resp Sunil Ji, Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, i visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve maa sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i have been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they constructed their house here and i want peace now " . i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's only because i was there, he decided to come befor. I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what is harm to goto maihar. next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to me was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he himself didn't go to maihar ? but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come before me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the group. thanx for the wishes. after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear lalitji . > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views and pls > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained ones .Evn > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord parasurama > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra and > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > practised by some big families and their branches) are also maximum > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without remedies .And > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for prathikara > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > expensive also. > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even think > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, they > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, one > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads Raamaayana > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with spirits. > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace and > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > > measures. > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour your > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > bangles, etc.) > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of auspicious > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members here > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness of > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out to > > pray for each other!) > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not saying it > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash will > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it can > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying to > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > > will! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > > who > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > unbelievable > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > > > she exists. > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either > > to > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > other > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > > you > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > > > God > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > > and > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > > > the > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > > highly > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > recourse > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > > > this. > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > > > of > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > > > the > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > > > most > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > worth > > > a > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , anita anita > > > > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > English > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > > charts > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > > > just > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > > email > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back > > as > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > > > don't > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > anyone. > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > > > HAVE > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He > > is > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; > > you > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am > > too > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > > exactly > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > > > right > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > > > your > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got > > to > > > do > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > > > why > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > > > is > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > > him > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > > gone > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > > > he > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > > > his > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > > > with > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > > > humble > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > > > pleas > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > > > to > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events > > for > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > > > are > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > there > > > is > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point > > of > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > > > my > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > > check > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > misunderstood > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > > > about > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > > have > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > abilities > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > > have > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - > > I > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > > > has > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > > blatant > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, > > I > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > > > what > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does > > he > > > > > not > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > idiotic > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > > would > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > > > failed > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > > > at > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > > > lines " > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > group.......Ask > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > changes > > > > > tack > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers > > who > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > > But, > > > > > you > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > > situation > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > > > of > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > > trying > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with > > a > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > > claimed > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > simply > > > > > gave > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > > shared > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > Constantly > > > > u > > > > > r > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > > > me > > > > > for > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > > > single > > > > > > word > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted > > my > > > > > birth > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > > > and > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > debilitated > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > > one, > > > > > just > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > was > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > > have > > > no > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > > > and > > > > > > became > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed > > him > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > > > this > > > > > > created > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > > > But > > > > > he > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > birth, > > > > > very > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > > when > > > i > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > > > already > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > > also, > > > > > with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining > > any > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell > > any > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > > didnt > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > > > the > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > > > the > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > > > There > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > > > You > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > > > twist > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > Granthas, > > > U > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > > challange > > > > > > or > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > openly, > > > > u > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > handfull > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > > > help > > > > > me > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > > > year, > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > > but > > > > you > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > found > > > it > > > > > out > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > > his > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > > fact > > > the > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > apparition. > > > In > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see > > the > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > friend, > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > > lies > > > > you > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > > chart > > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > > but > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > classified > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > before > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > > your > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > > > person > > > > > or > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > teachings > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > > have > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes > > by > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with > > the > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > > > etc. " > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > > > sources > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > > > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > > that > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > persons > > > can > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > > there > > > > > young > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > > > into > > > > > an > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > personality > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such > > a > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > > after > > > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > > soul > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > considered > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > > personal > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > > even > > > in > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but > > his > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > > > really > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > > nothing > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > > true, > > > > I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > > > caught > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > > > upto > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > > > she > > > > > saw > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > > younger > > > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > > this > > > > > may > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > contact > > > > me > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she > > w'd > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place > > and > > > > we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > > > throuh > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen > > her > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > > about > > > > > her, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > chart, > > > > She > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > > She > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > > visit > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > > > and > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > belong > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > > > life > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > > happened > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > > puja, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > > > what > > > > i > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > > > is, > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > > Retail, > > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > reconcilation > > > of > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > > > me, > > > > > she > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > > wanted > > > > to > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > > Saturn > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > Priya, > > > I > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > > > members, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > > > in > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > > group, > > > > > My > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > > > my > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > > projects > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > people. > > > > > Next > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > respect > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > > know > > > he > > > > > and > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > > between > > > > > me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > > > all > > > > > was > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > lives > > > > in, > > > > > If > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > > > is, > > > > in > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, > > she > > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > > was > > > in > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > > > and > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > > have > > > > not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > > know > > > > > every > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > > and > > > > > start > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > > > case, > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > > > really > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > whatever > > > > u > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > > > cant > > > > > do, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > > was > > > not > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > Pandit > > > Ji > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > > > birth, > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > > tell > > > > me > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > wrong, > > > I > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > > chart > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > sleeping, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > > Rafal > > > to > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > > that > > > > she > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > > > known > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > > > mighty > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > trying > > > to > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > > persons > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > > life > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think > > he > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > > > levels > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- broken > > > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > > level > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > > > this > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > > > bet > > > > > on > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > versions > > > > to > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > > > hurt > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > > > that > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > Don't > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > > > field > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes > > of > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > > > you - > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > > mails > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to > > look > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > > > that, > > > > > it > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > > > his > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > capitalizing > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > > the > > > > > need > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those > > who > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient > > in > > > > all > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > Parampara > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > > though > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > > > has > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > changed. > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > level > > > of > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > > discover > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > > > right, > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > > > they > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > Panditji > > > > as > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > > chart > > > > > like > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak > > up > > > in > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > sometimes, > > > > u > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why > > i > > > > > say, > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > > average > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > > sweet > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > > good > > > > > looks > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > > > was > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > > astrology > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > > > your > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > comment > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > Engineering > > > > is > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science > > is > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > irresponsible > > > > > you > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > > > world > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording > > of > > > the > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > > > slave > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > > > him? > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > service > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked > > his > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > > > this > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! > > You > > > > > say > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > > > with > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking > > why > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > > sort > > > of > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > > astrology > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > > > your > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > circle.....is > > > > it > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > > only > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > > but > > > my > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > > > after > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > > > etc. > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - > > but > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > nothing > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > scientific > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > your " researches " > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > capable > > > > of! > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > counselled > > > > you > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > justifying > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > right > > > to > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I > > am > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have > > his > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > > prompt > > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > > > man > > > > > or > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > > > > > but > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time > > for > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > > speaks > > > > > as > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > > > people > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > > tries > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > > Improve > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented > > as > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when > > i > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > > > give > > > > > his > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > consultation > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > communication > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > > right > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > > > made > > > > > was > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > > > the > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > > > Later, > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion > > on > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > physical > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > internet > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- person > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more > > pain > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, > > if > > > i > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > realized > > > by > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > > records, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > > > gain > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > advanced > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that > > u > > > > > make > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > > > in > > > > ur > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > > > in > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > > > same > > > > > to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > > come > > > > to > > > > > an > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > > remedies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > > > same > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > > > Pls. > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > interaction > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > > > from > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > > also > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > delays > > > and > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > > > The > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > (trouble > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > family). > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > > scare > > > > > the > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > > that > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > performed. > > > > > He > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > > himself > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > > entity. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > > factor > > > > > into > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity > > is > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > > cannot > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based > > on > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > suggested, > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > > > tough > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > factors > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > > predicted > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in > > Feb > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > marriage > > > to > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > > about > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > > him, > > > > or > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > prashna > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > > offhand > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > > > into > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > > > might > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting > > at > > > me > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > > > end! > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person > > how > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > understand > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between > > us > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > interests. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I > > am > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > > > things > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > > acting > > > > > as > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > > motives > > > > > to > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- ---- > > -- > > > -- > > > > - > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > frankness > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > > the > > > > > nude > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > > > Asking > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > knowledge > > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > because > > > > it > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the > > VA > > > > > list, > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > > are > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > > advice > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling > > my > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me > > of > > > > > being > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > something > > > or > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > > > acted > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > > > other > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > > > all > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > > > must > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > > > have > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > charts, > > > if > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without > > any > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > > > don't > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Resp Sunil Ji, Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, i visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve maa sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i have been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they constructed their house here and i want peace now " . i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's only because i was there, he decided to come befor. I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hysteria, what is harm to goto maihar. next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to me was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he himself didn't go to maihar ? but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come before me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the group. after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. thanx for the wishes. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear lalitji . > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views and pls > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained ones .Evn > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord parasurama > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra and > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > practised by some big families and their branches) are also maximum > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without remedies .And > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for prathikara > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > expensive also. > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even think > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, they > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, one > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads Raamaayana > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with spirits. > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace and > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > > measures. > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour your > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > bangles, etc.) > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of auspicious > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members here > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness of > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out to > > pray for each other!) > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not saying it > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash will > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it can > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying to > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > > will! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > > who > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > unbelievable > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > > > she exists. > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either > > to > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > other > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > > you > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > > > God > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > > and > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > > > the > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > > highly > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > recourse > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > > > this. > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > > > of > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > > > the > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > > > most > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > worth > > > a > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , anita anita > > > > <purple_currency_white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > English > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > > charts > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > > > just > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > > email > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back > > as > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > > > don't > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > anyone. > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > > > HAVE > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He > > is > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; > > you > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am > > too > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > > exactly > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > > > right > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > > > your > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got > > to > > > do > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > > > why > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > > > is > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > > him > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > > gone > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > > > he > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > > > his > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > > > with > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > > > humble > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > > > pleas > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > > > to > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events > > for > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > > > are > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > there > > > is > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point > > of > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > > > my > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > > check > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > misunderstood > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > > > about > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > > have > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > abilities > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > > have > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - > > I > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > > > has > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > > blatant > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, > > I > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > > > what > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does > > he > > > > > not > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > idiotic > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > > would > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > > > failed > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > > > at > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > > > lines " > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > group.......Ask > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > changes > > > > > tack > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers > > who > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > > But, > > > > > you > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > > situation > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > > > of > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > > trying > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with > > a > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > > claimed > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.-- In vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > simply > > > > > gave > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > > shared > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > Constantly > > > > u > > > > > r > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > > > me > > > > > for > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > > > single > > > > > > word > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted > > my > > > > > birth > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > > > and > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > debilitated > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > > one, > > > > > just > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > was > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > > have > > > no > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > > > and > > > > > > became > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed > > him > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > > > this > > > > > > created > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > > > But > > > > > he > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > birth, > > > > > very > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > > when > > > i > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > > > already > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > > also, > > > > > with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining > > any > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell > > any > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > > didnt > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > > > the > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > > > the > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > > > There > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > > > You > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > > > twist > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > Granthas, > > > U > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > > challange > > > > > > or > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > openly, > > > > u > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > handfull > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > > > help > > > > > me > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > > > year, > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > > but > > > > you > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > found > > > it > > > > > out > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > > his > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > > fact > > > the > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > apparition. > > > In > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see > > the > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > friend, > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > > lies > > > > you > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > > chart > > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > > but > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > classified > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > before > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > > your > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > > > person > > > > > or > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > teachings > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > > have > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes > > by > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with > > the > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > > > etc. " > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > > > sources > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > > > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > > that > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > persons > > > can > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > > there > > > > > young > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > > > into > > > > > an > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > personality > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such > > a > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > > after > > > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > > soul > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > considered > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > > personal > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > > even > > > in > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but > > his > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > > > really > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > > nothing > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > > true, > > > > I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > > > caught > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > > > upto > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > > > she > > > > > saw > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > > younger > > > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > > this > > > > > may > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > contact > > > > me > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she > > w'd > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place > > and > > > > we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > > > throuh > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen > > her > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > > about > > > > > her, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > chart, > > > > She > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > > She > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > > visit > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > > > and > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > belong > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > > > life > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > > happened > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > > puja, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > > > what > > > > i > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > > > is, > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > > Retail, > > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > reconcilation > > > of > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > > > me, > > > > > she > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > > wanted > > > > to > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > > Saturn > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > Priya, > > > I > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > > > members, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > > > in > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > > group, > > > > > My > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > > > my > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > > projects > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > people. > > > > > Next > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > respect > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > > know > > > he > > > > > and > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > > between > > > > > me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > > > all > > > > > was > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > lives > > > > in, > > > > > If > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > > > is, > > > > in > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, > > she > > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > > was > > > in > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > > > and > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > > have > > > > not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > > know > > > > > every > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > > and > > > > > start > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > > > case, > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > > > really > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > whatever > > > > u > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > > > cant > > > > > do, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > > was > > > not > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > Pandit > > > Ji > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > > > birth, > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > > tell > > > > me > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > wrong, > > > I > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > > chart > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > sleeping, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > > Rafal > > > to > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > > that > > > > she > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > vedaangas.....you > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > > > known > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > > > mighty > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > trying > > > to > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > > persons > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > > life > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think > > he > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > > > levels > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- broken > > > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > > level > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > > > this > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > > > bet > > > > > on > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > versions > > > > to > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > > > hurt > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > > > that > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > Don't > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > > > field > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes > > of > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > > > you - > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > > mails > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to > > look > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > > > that, > > > > > it > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > > > his > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > capitalizing > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > > the > > > > > need > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those > > who > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient > > in > > > > all > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > Parampara > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > > though > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > > > has > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > changed. > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > level > > > of > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > > discover > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > > > right, > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > > > they > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > Panditji > > > > as > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > > chart > > > > > like > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak > > up > > > in > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > sometimes, > > > > u > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why > > i > > > > > say, > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > > average > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > > sweet > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > > good > > > > > looks > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > > > was > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > > astrology > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > > > your > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > comment > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > Engineering > > > > is > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science > > is > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > irresponsible > > > > > you > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > > > world > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording > > of > > > the > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > > > slave > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > > > him? > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > service > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked > > his > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > > > this > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! > > You > > > > > say > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > > > with > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking > > why > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > > sort > > > of > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > > astrology > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > > > your > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > circle.....is > > > > it > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > > only > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > > but > > > my > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > > > after > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > > > etc. > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - > > but > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > nothing > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > scientific > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > your " researches " > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > capable > > > > of! > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > counselled > > > > you > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > justifying > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > right > > > to > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I > > am > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have > > his > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > > prompt > > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > > > man > > > > > or > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > > > > > but > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time > > for > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > > speaks > > > > > as > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > > > people > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > > tries > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > > Improve > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented > > as > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when > > i > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > > > give > > > > > his > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > consultation > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > communication > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > > right > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > > > made > > > > > was > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > > > the > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > > > Later, > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion > > on > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " Jyotish > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > physical > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > internet > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- person > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more > > pain > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology , " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, > > if > > > i > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > realized > > > by > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > > records, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > > > gain > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > advanced > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that > > u > > > > > make > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > > > in > > > > ur > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > > > in > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > > > same > > > > > to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > > come > > > > to > > > > > an > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > > remedies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > > > same > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > > > Pls. > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > interaction > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > > > from > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > > also > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > delays > > > and > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > > > The > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > (trouble > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > family). > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > > scare > > > > > the > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > > that > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > performed. > > > > > He > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > > himself > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > > entity. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > > factor > > > > > into > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity > > is > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > > cannot > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based > > on > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > suggested, > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > > > tough > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > factors > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > > predicted > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in > > Feb > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > marriage > > > to > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > > about > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > > him, > > > > or > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > prashna > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > > offhand > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > > > into > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > > > might > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting > > at > > > me > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > > > end! > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person > > how > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > understand > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > > tradition......Am > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between > > us > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > interests. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I > > am > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > > > things > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > > acting > > > > > as > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > > motives > > > > > to > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- ---- > > -- > > > -- > > > > - > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > frankness > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > > the > > > > > nude > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > > > Asking > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > knowledge > > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > because > > > > it > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the > > VA > > > > > list, > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > > are > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > > advice > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling > > my > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me > > of > > > > > being > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > something > > > or > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > > > acted > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > > > other > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > > > all > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > > > must > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > > > have > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > charts, > > > if > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without > > any > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > > > don't > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Hi Lalit, Let me help you lalit................ in terms of a sweet girl............... Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... there is an advice for you.............. whenever u make a girl friend.............never ever try to delve into arguemental discusions... otherwise the girl will fly away like anything...... beacuse girls dont like their criticism....ok Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your town........ Thanks and regards, Amit Sinha litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! Resp Sunil Ji, Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, i visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve maa sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i have been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they constructed their house here and i want peace now " . i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's only because i was there, he decided to come befor. I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what is harm to goto maihar. next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to me was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he himself didn't go to maihar ? but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come before me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the group. thanx for the wishes. after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > dear lalitji . > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views and pls > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained ones .Evn > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord parasurama > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra and > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > practised by some big families and their branches) are also maximum > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without remedies .And > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for prathikara > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > expensive also. > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even think > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, they > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, one > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads Raamaayana > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with spirits. > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace and > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > > measures. > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour your > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > bangles, etc.) > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of auspicious > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members here > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness of > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out to > > pray for each other!) > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not saying it > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash will > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it can > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying to > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > > will! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > > who > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective is to > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a girl. > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and i > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > unbelievable > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a dream, > > > she exists. > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna chart. > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways either > > to > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > other > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > > you > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your devotion to > > > God > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > > and > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly personalities > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. (Actually > > > the > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non-believer, or > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, and so > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > > highly > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > recourse > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to understand > > > this. > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's Devil " in > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working knowledge > > > of > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross check > > > the > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha in > > > most > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > worth > > > a > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > English > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > > charts > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member Lalith > > > just > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > > email > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them back > > as > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling session. > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a counselling > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. Somehow > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and I > > > don't > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > anyone. > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR REASONS I > > > HAVE > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO HIM....He > > is > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he wrote > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are unprofessional; > > you > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I am > > too > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > > exactly > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You are > > > > right > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks for > > > > your > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has got > > to > > > do > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. That is > > > why > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, exorcism > > > is > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > > him > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > > gone > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. Again, > > > he > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according to > > > his > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the frequent > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT THE > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a human > > > with > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are only > > > > humble > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear our > > > pleas > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the potential > > > to > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting events > > for > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple reason.....Remedies > > > are > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > there > > > is > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if the > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this point > > of > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. But, > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing could > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. So, > > > my > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform the > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > > check > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced any > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > misunderstood > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn of > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the sumangali > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did not > > > about > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he still > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > > have > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > abilities > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > > have > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, Mohanraaamji - > > I > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim he > > > has > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > > blatant > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a VVIP, > > I > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. So, > > > what > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? Does > > he > > > > > not > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > idiotic > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > > would > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot have > > > > > failed > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has hinted > > > at > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he changed > > > > lines " > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > changes > > > > > tack > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest astrologers > > who > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > > But, > > > > > you > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as if > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > > situation > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a loss > > > of > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > > trying > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would have > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known what > > is > > > > > all > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring with > > a > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > > claimed > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > simply > > > > > gave > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full of > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > > shared > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > Constantly > > > > u > > > > > r > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to blame > > > me > > > > > for > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said a > > > > single > > > > > > word > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have posted > > my > > > > > birth > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa (M.P) > > > and > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > debilitated > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > > one, > > > > > just > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > was > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > > have > > > no > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still compromised > > > and > > > > > > became > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i informed > > him > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i said, > > > > this > > > > > > created > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he didnt, > > > But > > > > > he > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > birth, > > > > > very > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > > when > > > i > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he has > > > > > already > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an important > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > > also, > > > > > with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not complaining > > any > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't tell > > any > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt want. I > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group without > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > > didnt > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious techniques in > > > the > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing and on > > > the > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - Pandit > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any respect. > > > > There > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u idiot. > > > You > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful knowledge to > > > > twist > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > Granthas, > > > U > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > > challange > > > > > > or > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > openly, > > > > u > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > handfull > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and can u > > > help > > > > > me > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving whole > > > > > year, > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > > but > > > > you > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > found > > > it > > > > > out > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested remedies > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > > his > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > > fact > > > the > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous lives " > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > apparition. > > > In > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and see > > the > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > friend, > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > > lies > > > > you > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never tells > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim Lord > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really had > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > > chart > > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have debilitated > > > > > planets > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > > but > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > classified > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for you; > > but > > > > > they > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > before > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > > your > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a competent > > > > person > > > > > or > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > teachings > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > > have > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare comes > > by > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma shastraic > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things with > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not with > > the > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread knowledge, > > > > etc. " > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful knowledge > > > > > sources > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You see, > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are qualified > > > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > > that > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > persons > > > can > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of mockery > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > > there > > > > > young > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be put > > > > into > > > > > an > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > personality > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written such > > a > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > > after > > > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > > soul > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > considered > > > as > > > > a > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > > personal > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > > even > > > in > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; but > > his > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji has > > > > > really > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > > nothing > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > > true, > > > > I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is > > > > > caught > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth > > > upto > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after > > > she > > > > > saw > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > > younger > > > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > > this > > > > > may > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > contact > > > > me > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she > > w'd > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place > > and > > > > we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was > > > > > throuh > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen > > her > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > > about > > > > > her, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > chart, > > > > She > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > > She > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > > visit > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered to me > > > and > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he already > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > belong > > > to > > > > > a > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her > > > life > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of > > > life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > > happened > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > > puja, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help, > > > what > > > > i > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens > > > is, > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > > Retail, > > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > reconcilation > > > of > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told to > > > me, > > > > > she > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > > wanted > > > > to > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > > Saturn > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > Priya, > > > I > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both were > > > > > members, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my region > > > in > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > > group, > > > > > My > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was > > > my > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > > projects > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > people. > > > > > Next > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > respect > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > > know > > > he > > > > > and > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > > between > > > > > me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with her, or > > > all > > > > > was > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > lives > > > > in, > > > > > If > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down > > > in > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found > > > is, > > > > in > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, > > she > > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > > was > > > in > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more > > > and > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > > have > > > > not > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > > know > > > > > every > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > > and > > > > > start > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's > > > > > case, > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she > > > > really > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in establishing a > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > whatever > > > > u > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what u > > > cant > > > > > do, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > > was > > > not > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > Pandit > > > Ji > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous > > > > > birth, > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > > tell > > > > me > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > wrong, > > > I > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > > chart > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > sleeping, > > > > I > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > > Rafal > > > to > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I > > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > > that > > > > she > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have > > > > > known > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 > > > > > mighty > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > trying > > > to > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > > persons > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > > life > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because > > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think > > he > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy > > > > > levels > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then what > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- broken > > > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > > level > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you at > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in > > > this > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can > > > bet > > > > > on > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > versions > > > > to > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would > > > > have > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to > > > hurt > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and > > > that > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > Don't > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what they > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an applied > > > > > field > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes > > of > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to > > > > you - > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it > > > know > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > > mails > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to > > look > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you do > > > that, > > > > > it > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand > > > his > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > capitalizing > > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > > the > > > > > need > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those > > who > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient > > in > > > > all > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > Parampara > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > > though > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating > > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature > > > has > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > changed. > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > level > > > of > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > > discover > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, > > > > > right, > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, > > > they > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > Panditji > > > > as > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > > chart > > > > > like > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak > > up > > > in > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > sometimes, > > > > u > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why > > i > > > > > say, > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, > > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy > > to > > > > > see > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > > average > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > > sweet > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > > good > > > > > looks > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i > > > was > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > > astrology > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray > > > your > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > comment > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > Engineering > > > > is > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science > > is > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > irresponsible > > > > > you > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the > > > world > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording > > of > > > the > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your > > > > > slave > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from > > > > him? > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > service > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked > > his > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly like > > > this > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! > > You > > > > > say > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > > Panditji > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments > > > with > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking > > why > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > > sort > > > of > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > > astrology > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and > > > your > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > circle.....is > > > > it > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > > only > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > > but > > > my > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright > > > > after > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, > > > > etc. > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - > > but > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > nothing > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > scientific > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > your " researches " > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > capable > > > > of! > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > counselled > > > > you > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > justifying > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > right > > > to > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I > > am > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have > > his > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > > prompt > > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great > > > man > > > > > or > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - > > > > > but > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time > > for > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > > speaks > > > > > as > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out > > > > > people > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > > tries > > > > to > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > > Improve > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented > > as > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when > > i > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to > > > give > > > > > his > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > consultation > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > communication > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > > right > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts > > > made > > > > > was > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , > > > the > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. > > > Later, > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion > > on > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > physical > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > internet > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- person > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more > > pain > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, > > if > > > i > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > realized > > > by > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > > records, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to > > > gain > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > advanced > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that > > u > > > > > make > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, > > > in > > > > ur > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not > > > in > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving > > > same > > > > > to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > > come > > > > to > > > > > an > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > > remedies > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have > > > same > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. > > > > Pls. > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > interaction > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction > > > > from > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > > also > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > delays > > > and > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. > > > The > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > (trouble > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > family). > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > > scare > > > > > the > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > > matter > > > > > to > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > > that > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > performed. > > > > > He > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > > himself > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > > entity. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > > factor > > > > > into > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity > > is > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > > cannot > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based > > on > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > suggested, > > > > > I > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite > > > tough > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > factors > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > > predicted > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in > > Feb > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > marriage > > > to > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > > about > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > > him, > > > > or > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > prashna > > > is > > > > > an > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > > offhand > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much > > > > into > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it > > > might > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting > > at > > > me > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's > > > > end! > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person > > how > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > understand > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between > > us > > > > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > interests. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I > > am > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding > > > > things > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing > > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > > acting > > > > > as > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > > motives > > > > > to > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- -------- ---- > > -- > > > -- > > > > - > > > > > -- > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > frankness > > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > > the > > > > > nude > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? > > > Asking > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > knowledge > > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > because > > > > it > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the > > VA > > > > > list, > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > > are > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > > advice > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling > > my > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me > > of > > > > > being > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > something > > > or > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have > > > > acted > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that > > > other > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for > > > all > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I > > > > must > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not > > > have > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > charts, > > > if > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without > > any > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u > > > > don't > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Hi Amit, i m poor in this art. if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > Hi Lalit, > > Let me help you lalit................ > in terms of a sweet girl............... > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > there is an advice for you.............. > whenever u make a girl friend.............never ever try to delve into arguemental discusions... otherwise the girl will fly away like anything...... beacuse girls dont like their criticism....ok > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your town........ > > Thanks and regards, > Amit Sinha > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, i > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve maa > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i have > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what is > harm to goto maihar. > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to me > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he himself > didn't go to maihar ? > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come before > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the group. > thanx for the wishes. > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > and pls > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > ones .Evn > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > parasurama > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra > and > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > maximum > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > remedies .And > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > prathikara > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > think > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > they > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, > one > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > Raamaayana > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > spirits. > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > and > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > > > measures. > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > your > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > auspicious > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > here > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness > of > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out > to > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > saying it > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash > will > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it > can > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying > to > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > > > will! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > > > who > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > is to > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > girl. > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and > i > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > unbelievable > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > dream, > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > chart. > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > either > > > to > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > other > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > > > you > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > devotion to > > > > God > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > > > and > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > personalities > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > (Actually > > > > the > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- believer, > or > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > and so > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > > > highly > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > recourse > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > understand > > > > this. > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > Devil " in > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > check > > > > the > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha > in > > > > most > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > English > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > > > charts > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > Lalith > > > > just > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > > > email > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > back > > > as > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > session. > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > counselling > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > Somehow > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and > I > > > > don't > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > anyone. > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > REASONS I > > > > HAVE > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > HIM....He > > > is > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > wrote > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > unprofessional; > > > you > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I > am > > > too > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > > > exactly > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You > are > > > > > right > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks > for > > > > > your > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > got > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > That is > > > > why > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > exorcism > > > > is > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > > > him > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > > > gone > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > Again, > > > > he > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according > to > > > > his > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > frequent > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT > THE > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > human > > > > with > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > only > > > > > humble > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > our > > > > pleas > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > potential > > > > to > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > events > > > for > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > reason.....Remedies > > > > are > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if > the > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > point > > > of > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. > But, > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > could > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. > So, > > > > my > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform > the > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > > > check > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced > any > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn > of > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > sumangali > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > not > > > > about > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > still > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > > > have > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > abilities > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > > > have > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > Mohanraaamji - > > > I > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim > he > > > > has > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > VVIP, > > > I > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. > So, > > > > what > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > Does > > > he > > > > > > not > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > > > would > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > have > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > hinted > > > > at > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > changed > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > changes > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > astrologers > > > who > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > > > But, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as > if > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a > loss > > > > of > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > > > trying > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would > have > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > what > > > is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring > with > > > a > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > simply > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full > of > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > > > shared > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > Constantly > > > > > u > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > blame > > > > me > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said > a > > > > > single > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > posted > > > my > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > (M.P) > > > > and > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > > > one, > > > > > > just > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > > > have > > > > no > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > compromised > > > > and > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > informed > > > him > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > said, > > > > > this > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > didnt, > > > > But > > > > > > he > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > birth, > > > > > > very > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he > has > > > > > > already > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > important > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > > > also, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > complaining > > > any > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > tell > > > any > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > want. I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > without > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > > > didnt > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > techniques in > > > > the > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > and on > > > > the > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > Pandit > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > respect. > > > > > There > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > idiot. > > > > You > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > knowledge to > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > Granthas, > > > > U > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > openly, > > > > > u > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > handfull > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > can u > > > > help > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > whole > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > > > but > > > > > you > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > found > > > > it > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > remedies > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > > > his > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > > > fact > > > > the > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > lives " > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > apparition. > > > > In > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > see > > > the > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > friend, > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > > > lies > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > tells > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > Lord > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really > had > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > > > chart > > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > debilitated > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > > > but > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > classified > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > you; > > > but > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > before > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > > > your > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > competent > > > > > person > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > teachings > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > > > have > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > comes > > > by > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > shastraic > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > with > > > an > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > with > > > the > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > knowledge, > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > knowledge > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > see, > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > qualified > > > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > > > that > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > persons > > > > can > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > mockery > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > > > there > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be > put > > > > > into > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written > such > > > a > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > > > after > > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > > > soul > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > considered > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > > > even > > > > in > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; > but > > > his > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji > has > > > > > > really > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > > > nothing > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > while > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > > > true, > > > > > I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > one is > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who > is > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > truth > > > > upto > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > after > > > > she > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > > > younger > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > > > this > > > > > > may > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > contact > > > > > me > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > she > > > w'd > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > place > > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication > was > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > seen > > > her > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > skills > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > > > about > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > chart, > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > > > She > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > > > visit > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > to me > > > > and > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > already > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > belong > > > > to > > > > > > a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil > her > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning > of > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > > > happened > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > > > puja, > > > > > I > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > divine > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > help, > > > > what > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > happens > > > > is, > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > > > Retail, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > reconcilation > > > > of > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told > to > > > > me, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > > > wanted > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > Priya, > > > > I > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > were > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > region > > > > in > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > > > group, > > > > > > My > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all > was > > > > my > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me > was > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > > > projects > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > people. > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > Priya > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > respect > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > > > know > > > > he > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > > > between > > > > > > me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > her, or > > > > all > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > lives > > > > > in, > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look > down > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > found > > > > is, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > BPO, > > > she > > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > > > was > > > > in > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to > HR > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i > also > > > > > have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills > more > > > > and > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > > > have > > > > > not > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > > > know > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > > > and > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > Priya's > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if > she > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > establishing a > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > whatever > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what > u > > > > cant > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > > > was > > > > not > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > Pandit > > > > Ji > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > previous > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > > > tell > > > > > me > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > spirti's > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > wrong, > > > > I > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > sleeping, > > > > > I > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > > > Rafal > > > > to > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, > I > > > > dont > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > > > that > > > > > she > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not > have > > > > > > known > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > and > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > the 64 > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > > > persons > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > > > life > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > children. > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > because > > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > think > > > he > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > idiocy > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then > what > > > > do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > broken > > > > > when > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > > > level > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you > at > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures > in > > > > this > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I > can > > > > bet > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > versions > > > > > to > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > would > > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent > to > > > > hurt > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > and > > > > that > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > Don't > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology > is a > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > they > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > applied > > > > > > field > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > for > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need > of > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > etiquettes > > > of > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > useless to > > > > > you - > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will > it > > > > know > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > > > mails > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in > gold > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try > to > > > look > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you > do > > > > that, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > Understand > > > > his > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > stop > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need > for > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > > > the > > > > > > need > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > those > > > who > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > efficient > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > > > though > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > eating > > > > > > through > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > nature > > > > has > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > changed. > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > level > > > > of > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > one, > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > in my > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > ok, > > > > they > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > Panditji > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > > > chart > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > brak > > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > sometimes, > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's > why > > > i > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > happy > > > to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from > u, I > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > > > average > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > > > sweet > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > > > good > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > difficult, i > > > > was > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > protray > > > > your > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > other > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > Vedas > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > Engineering > > > > > is > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > science > > > is > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > somtimes it > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > privacy...when > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > the > > > > world > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > recording > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man > your > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want > from > > > > > him? > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > service > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment > to > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > asked > > > his > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > like > > > > this > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > Panditji! > > > You > > > > > > say > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > arguments > > > > with > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > asking > > > why > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > > Vedas > > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > > > sort > > > > of > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - > and > > > > your > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > circle.....is > > > > > it > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > > > only > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > your > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > > > but > > > > my > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > outright > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > Priya, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > name - > > > but > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > nothing > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > your " researches " > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > and > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > capable > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > this - > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > counselled > > > > > you > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > justifying > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > right > > > > to > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > want! I > > > am > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > have > > > his > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > > > prompt > > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > great > > > > man > > > > > > or > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like > you - > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > time > > > for > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > > > speaks > > > > > > as > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping > out > > > > > > people > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > > > tries > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > gaps in > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > documented > > > as > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, > when > > > i > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused > to > > > > give > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > recommened a > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > charts > > > > made > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > explanations , > > > > the > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > > > said > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > conclude > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > group. > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > confusion > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss > it > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > physical > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > through > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > internet > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > person > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > more > > > pain > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > end, > > > if > > > > i > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > realized > > > > by > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > deciding > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key > to > > > > gain > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > advanced > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity > that > > > u > > > > > > make > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > time, > > > > in > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and > not > > > > in > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > giving > > > > same > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > > > come > > > > > to > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > no way > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > have > > > > same > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > dealings. > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > interaction > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > prediction > > > > > from > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > > > also > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > delays > > > > and > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > experienced. > > > > The > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > family). > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > > > scare > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > > > matter > > > > > > to > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > > > that > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > performed. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > > > entity. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > > > factor > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > entity > > > is > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > > > cannot > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > based > > > on > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > suggested, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > or in > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > quite > > > > tough > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > factors > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen > in > > > Feb > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > marriage > > > > to > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > about > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > > > about > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > insists > > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > > > him, > > > > > or > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > prashna > > > > is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too > much > > > > > into > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact > it > > > > might > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > getting > > > at > > > > me > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > patience's > > > > > end! > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > person > > > how > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > understand > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > acted > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > between > > > us > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > person > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling > him > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining > the > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > inauspicious! I > > > am > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > hiding > > > > > things > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > accusing > > > > me > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > > > acting > > > > > > as > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > > > motives > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- ----- > ---- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > - > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > frankness > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > > > the > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > hide? > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > knowledge > > > > > > is > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > because > > > > > it > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > the > > > VA > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > > > are > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga > Hora > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > > > advice > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > handling > > > my > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing > me > > > of > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > something > > > > or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > have > > > > > acted > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > that > > > > other > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > failed > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you > for > > > > all > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > other I > > > > > must > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > not > > > > have > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in > my > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > charts, > > > > if > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > without > > > any > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > and u > > > > > don't > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 When required call me ...you will get all the rules... litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! Hi Amit, i m poor in this art. if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz > wrote: > > Hi Lalit, > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > there is an advice for you......... ..... > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your town........ > > Thanks and regards, > Amit Sinha > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, i > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve maa > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i have > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what is > harm to goto maihar. > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to me > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he himself > didn't go to maihar ? > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come before > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the group. > thanx for the wishes. > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > and pls > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > ones .Evn > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > parasurama > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in tantra > and > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > maximum > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > remedies .And > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > prathikara > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > think > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify her....Spirits > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > they > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and when > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We have > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you peace.....May > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm the > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord Kaartikeyaa, > one > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > Raamaayana > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > spirits. > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > and > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by these > > > measures. > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the count > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > your > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed in > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > auspicious > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > here > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the greatness > of > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time out > to > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > saying it > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the backlash > will > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what it > can > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not trying > to > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But love > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple request > > > will! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in prashna > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's dream > > > who > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > is to > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > girl. > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, and > i > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > unbelievable > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > dream, > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > chart. > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > either > > > to > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > other > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand any > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might trouble > > > you > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > devotion to > > > > God > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect shaastraas, > > > and > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > personalities > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > (Actually > > > > the > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- believer, > or > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities gain > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > and so > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who is > > > > highly > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > recourse > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna Maarga > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > understand > > > > this. > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > Devil " in > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > knowledge > > > > of > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > check > > > > the > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and improper > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha Baadha > in > > > > most > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and learn > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > English > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions in > > > > charts > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > Lalith > > > > just > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; and > > > email > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > back > > > as > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > session. > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > counselling > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > Somehow > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, and > I > > > > don't > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > anyone. > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > REASONS I > > > > HAVE > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > HIM....He > > > is > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > wrote > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > unprofessional; > > > you > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did write " I > am > > > too > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This is > > > > exactly > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. You > are > > > > > right > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... Thanks > for > > > > > your > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > got > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > That is > > > > why > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > exorcism > > > > is > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot help > > > him > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has possibly > > > gone > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > Again, > > > > he > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife according > to > > > > his > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > frequent > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY WHAT > THE > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > human > > > > with > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > only > > > > > humble > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > our > > > > pleas > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > potential > > > > to > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > events > > > for > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > reason.....Remedies > > > > are > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > there > > > > is > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, if > the > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > point > > > of > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be negative. > But, > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > could > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this situation. > So, > > > > my > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to perform > the > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and later > > > check > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact produced > any > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter turn > of > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > sumangali > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > not > > > > about > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > still > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. I > > > have > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > abilities > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor do I > > > have > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > Mohanraaamji - > > > I > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you claim > he > > > > has > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This is a > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > VVIP, > > > I > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this list. > So, > > > > what > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > Does > > > he > > > > > > not > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. You > > > > would > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > have > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > hinted > > > > at > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > changed > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > changes > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > astrologers > > > who > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made one! > > > But, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting as > if > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in your > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen any > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at a > loss > > > > of > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he is > > > > trying > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I would > have > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > what > > > is > > > > > > all > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and enquiring > with > > > a > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where Panditji > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > simply > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too full > of > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, I > > > > shared > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > Constantly > > > > > u > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > blame > > > > me > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not said > a > > > > > single > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > posted > > > my > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > (M.P) > > > > and > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to any > > > one, > > > > > > just > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz the > > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and i > > > have > > > > no > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > compromised > > > > and > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > informed > > > him > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > said, > > > > > this > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > didnt, > > > > But > > > > > > he > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > birth, > > > > > > very > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, but > > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said he > has > > > > > > already > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > important > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give this > > > also, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > complaining > > > any > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > tell > > > any > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > want. I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > without > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, he > > > didnt > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > techniques in > > > > the > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > and on > > > > the > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > Pandit > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > respect. > > > > > There > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > idiot. > > > > You > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > knowledge to > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > Granthas, > > > > U > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking the > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > openly, > > > > > u > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > handfull > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > can u > > > > help > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > whole > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about spirits > > > but > > > > > you > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > found > > > > it > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > remedies > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person of > > > his > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving shocking > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. In > > > fact > > > > the > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > lives " > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > apparition. > > > > In > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > see > > > the > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the projects > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > friend, > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all your > > > lies > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > tells > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > Lord > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had really > had > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the prashna > > > chart > > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > debilitated > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate knowledge " ; > > > but > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > classified > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > you; > > > but > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in judgment > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > before > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search at > > > your > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > competent > > > > > person > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > teachings > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge you > > > have > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > comes > > > by > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > shastraic > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > with > > > an > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > with > > > the > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > knowledge, > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > knowledge > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > see, > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > qualified > > > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such calamities, > > > that > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > persons > > > > can > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > mockery > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what is > > > there > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may be > put > > > > > into > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having written > such > > > a > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go unchallenged > > > > after > > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a noble > > > soul > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > considered > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have nothing > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " or > > > even > > > > in > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven him; > but > > > his > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and Panditji > has > > > > > > really > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... > > > > nothing > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > while > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how much > > > > true, > > > > > I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > one is > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who > is > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > truth > > > > upto > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > after > > > > she > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs > > > > younger > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought > > > this > > > > > > may > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > contact > > > > > me > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > she > > > w'd > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > place > > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication > was > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > seen > > > her > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > skills > > > > need > > > > > > to > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad > > > about > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > chart, > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction like > > > She > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about to > > > visit > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > to me > > > > and > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > already > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > belong > > > > to > > > > > > a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil > her > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning > of > > > > life > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what > > > > > happened > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily > > > > puja, > > > > > I > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > divine > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > help, > > > > what > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > happens > > > > is, > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance > > > > Retail, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > reconcilation > > > > of > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya told > to > > > > me, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, I > > > > wanted > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but here > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > Priya, > > > > I > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > were > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > region > > > > in > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in the > > > > group, > > > > > > My > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all > was > > > > my > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me > was > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my > > > > > projects > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > people. > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > Priya > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > respect > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont > > > know > > > > he > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap in > > > > between > > > > > > me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > her, or > > > > all > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > lives > > > > > in, > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look > down > > > > in > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > found > > > > is, > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > BPO, > > > she > > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, She > > > was > > > > in > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to > HR > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i > also > > > > > have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills > more > > > > and > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u > > > have > > > > > not > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u > > > know > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance > > > and > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > Priya's > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd be > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if > she > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > establishing a > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > whatever > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u what > u > > > > cant > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it > > > was > > > > not > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > Pandit > > > > Ji > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > previous > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt > > > tell > > > > > me > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > spirti's > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > wrong, > > > > I > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > sleeping, > > > > > I > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. > > > Rafal > > > > to > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, > I > > > > dont > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh > > > that > > > > > she > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not > have > > > > > > known > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > and > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > the 64 > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and great > > > > > persons > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full > > > life > > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > children. > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > because > > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > think > > > he > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > idiocy > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - then > what > > > > do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > broken > > > > > when > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the > > > > level > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain you > at > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your failures > in > > > > this > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I > can > > > > bet > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > versions > > > > > to > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > would > > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent > to > > > > hurt > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > and > > > > that > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > Don't > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology > is a > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - but > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > they > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > applied > > > > > > field > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > for > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the need > of > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > etiquettes > > > of > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > useless to > > > > > you - > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will > it > > > > know > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's > > > mails > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight in > gold > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try > to > > > look > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If you > do > > > > that, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > Understand > > > > his > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > stop > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need > for > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes about > > > the > > > > > > need > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > those > > > who > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > efficient > > > in > > > > > all > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your mouth > > > > though > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > eating > > > > > > through > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > nature > > > > has > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > changed. > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to suit > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not much > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > level > > > > of > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > one, > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > in my > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > ok, > > > > they > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > Panditji > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan > > > chart > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > brak > > > up > > > > in > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > sometimes, > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's > why > > > i > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > group, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > happy > > > to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different from > u, I > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having > > > > average > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice > > > > sweet > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little > > > good > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > difficult, i > > > > was > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > protray > > > > your > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > other > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > Vedas > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to > > > > > comment > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > Engineering > > > > > is > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > science > > > is > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > somtimes it > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > privacy...when > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > the > > > > world > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > recording > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man > your > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you want > from > > > > > him? > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > service > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment > to > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > asked > > > his > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > like > > > > this > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > Panditji! > > > You > > > > > > say > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > arguments > > > > with > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > asking > > > why > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > > Vedas > > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what > > > sort > > > > of > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - > and > > > > your > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > circle.....is > > > > > it > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you > > > only > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > your > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are running > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - > > > but > > > > my > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > outright > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > Priya, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > name - > > > but > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > nothing > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > your " researches " > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > and > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > capable > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > this - > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > counselled > > > > > you > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > justifying > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > right > > > > to > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > want! I > > > am > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > have > > > his > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very > > > > prompt > > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > great > > > > man > > > > > > or > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like > you - > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > time > > > for > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post > > > > speaks > > > > > > as > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping > out > > > > > > people > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and > > > tries > > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > gaps in > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > documented > > > as > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, > when > > > i > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused > to > > > > give > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > recommened a > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > charts > > > > made > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > explanations , > > > > the > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was > > > said > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > conclude > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > group. > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > confusion > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss > it > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > physical > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > through > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > internet > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > person > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > more > > > pain > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > end, > > > if > > > > i > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > realized > > > > by > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > deciding > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key > to > > > > gain > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > advanced > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity > that > > > u > > > > > > make > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > time, > > > > in > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > interested > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and > not > > > > in > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > giving > > > > same > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has > > > come > > > > > to > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > no way > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > have > > > > same > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > dealings. > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > interaction > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > prediction > > > > > from > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and > > > also > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > delays > > > > and > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > experienced. > > > > The > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > family). > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to > > > > scare > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the > > > > matter > > > > > > to > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract > > > that > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > performed. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that > > > > > entity. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that > > > > factor > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > entity > > > is > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it > > > > cannot > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > based > > > on > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > suggested, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > or in > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > quite > > > > tough > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > factors > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen > in > > > Feb > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > marriage > > > > to > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > about > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints > > > about > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > insists > > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to > > > him, > > > > > or > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > prashna > > > > is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too > much > > > > > into > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact > it > > > > might > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > getting > > > at > > > > me > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > patience's > > > > > end! > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > person > > > how > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > understand > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > acted > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > between > > > us > > > > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > person > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling > him > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining > the > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > inauspicious! I > > > am > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > hiding > > > > > things > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > accusing > > > > me > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am > > > > acting > > > > > > as > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing > > > > motives > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- ----- > ---- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > - > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > frankness > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in > > > the > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > hide? > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > knowledge > > > > > > is > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > because > > > > > it > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > the > > > VA > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members > > > are > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga > Hora > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking > > > > advice > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > handling > > > my > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing > me > > > of > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > something > > > > or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > have > > > > > acted > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > that > > > > other > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > failed > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you > for > > > > all > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > other I > > > > > must > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > not > > > > have > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in > my > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > charts, > > > > if > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > without > > > any > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > and u > > > > > don't > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 No secondhand person, i m still fresh and firsthand man. this is also a problem. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > Hi Amit, > > i m poor in this art. > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > town........ > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, > i > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > maa > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > have > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what > is > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to > me > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > himself > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > before > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > group. > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > and pls > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > ones .Evn > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > parasurama > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > tantra > > and > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > maximum > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > remedies .And > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > prathikara > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > think > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > her....Spirits > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > > they > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > when > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > have > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > peace.....May > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm > the > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > Kaartikeyaa, > > one > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > Raamaayana > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > spirits. > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > > and > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > these > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > count > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > > your > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed > in > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > auspicious > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > > here > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > greatness > > of > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > out > > to > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > saying it > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > backlash > > will > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what > it > > can > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > trying > > to > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > love > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > request > > > > will! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > prashna > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > dream > > > > who > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > > is to > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > and > > i > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > unbelievable > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > > dream, > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > either > > > > to > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > > other > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand > any > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > trouble > > > > you > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > devotion to > > > > > God > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > shaastraas, > > > > and > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > personalities > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > (Actually > > > > > the > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > believer, > > or > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > gain > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > > and so > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who > is > > > > > highly > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > > recourse > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > Maarga > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > understand > > > > > this. > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > Devil " in > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > improper > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > Baadha > > in > > > > > most > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > learn > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > English > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions > in > > > > > charts > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > Lalith > > > > > just > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > and > > > > email > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > > back > > > > as > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > session. > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > counselling > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > Somehow > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > and > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > REASONS I > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > HIM....He > > > > is > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > wrote > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > unprofessional; > > > > you > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > write " I > > am > > > > too > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > You > > are > > > > > > right > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > Thanks > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > > got > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > That is > > > > > why > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > exorcism > > > > > is > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > help > > > > him > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > possibly > > > > gone > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > > Again, > > > > > he > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > according > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > frequent > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > WHAT > > THE > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > human > > > > > with > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > > only > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > > our > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > potential > > > > > to > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > events > > > > for > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > are > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > if > > the > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > negative. > > But, > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > > could > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > situation. > > So, > > > > > my > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > perform > > the > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > later > > > > check > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > produced > > any > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > turn > > of > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > sumangali > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > > not > > > > > about > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > > still > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. > I > > > > have > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > do I > > > > have > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > I > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > claim > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > is a > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > > VVIP, > > > > I > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > list. > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > > have > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > > hinted > > > > > at > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > changed > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > changes > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > one! > > > > But, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting > as > > if > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > your > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen > any > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at > a > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he > is > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > would > > have > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > enquiring > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > Panditji > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > > simply > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > full > > of > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, > I > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > > blame > > > > > me > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > said > > a > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > posted > > > > my > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > > (M.P) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz > the > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and > i > > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > compromised > > > > > and > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > informed > > > > him > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > didnt, > > > > > But > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > > birth, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, > but > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > he > > has > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > important > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > this > > > > also, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > complaining > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > > tell > > > > any > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > want. I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > without > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > techniques in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > > and on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > Pandit > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > respect. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > > idiot. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > knowledge to > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > Granthas, > > > > > U > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking > the > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > > openly, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > > can u > > > > > help > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > > whole > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > spirits > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > shocking > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. > In > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > lives " > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > apparition. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > projects > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > friend, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > your > > > > lies > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > > tells > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > > Lord > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > really > > had > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > debilitated > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > knowledge " ; > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > classified > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > > you; > > > > but > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > judgment > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > > before > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search > at > > > > your > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > competent > > > > > > person > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > teachings > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge > you > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > comes > > > > by > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > shastraic > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > > with > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > knowledge, > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > knowledge > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > > see, > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > qualified > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > calamities, > > > > that > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > persons > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > mockery > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what > is > > > > there > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may > be > > put > > > > > > into > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > written > > such > > > > a > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > unchallenged > > > > > after > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > noble > > > > soul > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > nothing > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " > or > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > him; > > but > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > Panditji > > has > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > ego... > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > > while > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > much > > > > > true, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > > one is > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > who > > is > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > truth > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > > after > > > > > she > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > yrs > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > thought > > > > this > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > > contact > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > > she > > > > w'd > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > place > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > communication > > was > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > > seen > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > skills > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > bad > > > > about > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > > chart, > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > like > > > > She > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about > to > > > > visit > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > > to me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > already > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > > belong > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > spoil > > her > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > meaning > > of > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > what > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > daily > > > > > puja, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > divine > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > > help, > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > happens > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > Reliance > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > reconcilation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > told > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, > I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > here > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > > Priya, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > > were > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > > region > > > > > in > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > all > > was > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of > me > > was > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all > my > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > > people. > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > Priya > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > dont > > > > know > > > > > he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap > in > > > > > between > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > her, or > > > > > all > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > > lives > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > look > > down > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > > found > > > > > is, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > > BPO, > > > > she > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, > She > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails > to > > HR > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, > i > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i > was > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > skills > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and > u > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > let u > > > > know > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > arrogance > > > > and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > near > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > Priya's > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd > be > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > if > > she > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > establishing a > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > > whatever > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > what > > u > > > > > cant > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji > it > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > previous > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > didnt > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > spirti's > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > > wrong, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > Mr. > > > > Rafal > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > pain, > > I > > > > > dont > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > photograpgh > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > not > > have > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > > and > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > > the 64 > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > great > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > full > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > children. > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > because > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > > think > > > > he > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > idiocy > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > then > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > > broken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to > the > > > > > level > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > you > > at > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > Priya/ > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > failures > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. > I > > can > > > > > bet > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > versions > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > decent > > to > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > > Don't > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > efficacy.Astrology > > is a > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > but > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > > they > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > applied > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > > for > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > need > > of > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > etiquettes > > > > of > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > useless to > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > will > > it > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > Guruji's > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > in > > gold > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > try > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > you > > do > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > Understand > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > > stop > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > need > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > about > > > > the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > those > > > > who > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > efficient > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > mouth > > > > > though > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > eating > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > > nature > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > changed. > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > suit > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > much > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times > and > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > > one, > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > > in my > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > > ok, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > prashan > > > > chart > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > > brak > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > that's > > why > > > > i > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > > group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > > happy > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > from > > u, I > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > having > > > > > average > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > such > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > nice > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > little > > > > good > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > difficult, i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > about > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > protray > > > > > your > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > Engineering > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > science > > > > is > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > privacy...when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > think > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > recording > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > Man > > your > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > want > > from > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > > service > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > payment > > to > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > > asked > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > > like > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > Panditji! > > > > You > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as > if > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > asking > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > what > > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > all > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > Lady - > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > you > > > > only > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > > your > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > running > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > post - > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > outright > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > your > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > > Priya, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > name - > > > > but > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > nothing > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > > and > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > > capable > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > this - > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > counselled > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > would > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > > right > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > want! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > > have > > > > his > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > very > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > > great > > > > > man > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > like > > you - > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > > time > > > > for > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > post > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > helping > > out > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > and > > > > tries > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > good. > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > like > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > documented > > > > as > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > begane, > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > refused > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > recommened a > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > tell > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > charts > > > > > made > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > explanations , > > > > > the > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it > was > > > > said > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > conclude > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > group. > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > confusion > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > discuss > > it > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > physical > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > through > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. > Rao > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > person > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > > more > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > private > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > > end, > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how > i m > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > realized > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > deciding > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in > my > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > key > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > pity > > that > > > > u > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > > time, > > > > > in > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > and > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > giving > > > > > same > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge > has > > > > come > > > > > > to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > > no way > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for > the > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > > have > > > > > same > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > dealings. > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > prediction > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > > delays > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > experienced. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > > family). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting > to > > > > > scare > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > counteract > > > > that > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > events > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > that > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > that > > > > > factor > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > entity > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so > it > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > > based > > > > on > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > > or in > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > quite > > > > > tough > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > factors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > happen > > in > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > marriage > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > > about > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > hints > > > > about > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > insists > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details > to > > > > him, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > prashna > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > techniques > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > too > > much > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > infact > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > getting > > > > at > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > patience's > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > person > > > > how > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > > acted > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > between > > > > us > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable > in > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > person > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > telling > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > maintaining > > the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > inauspicious! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > hiding > > > > > > things > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > accusing > > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I > am > > > > > acting > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > imputing > > > > > motives > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > ----- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out > in > > > > the > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > hide? > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > practising > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > > the > > > > VA > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > Garga > > Hora > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > withholding > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > taking > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > handling > > > > my > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > accusing > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > something > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > > have > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > > that > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > failed > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > you > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > other I > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep > in > > my > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > > charts, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > > and u > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > Hi Amit, > > i m poor in this art. > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > town........ > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, > i > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > maa > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > have > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what > is > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to > me > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > himself > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > before > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > group. > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > and pls > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > ones .Evn > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > parasurama > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > tantra > > and > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > maximum > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > remedies .And > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > prathikara > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > think > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > her....Spirits > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > > they > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > when > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > have > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > peace.....May > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm > the > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > Kaartikeyaa, > > one > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > Raamaayana > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > spirits. > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > > and > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > these > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > count > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > > your > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed > in > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > auspicious > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > > here > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > greatness > > of > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > out > > to > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > saying it > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > backlash > > will > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what > it > > can > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > trying > > to > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > love > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > request > > > > will! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > prashna > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > dream > > > > who > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > > is to > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > and > > i > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > unbelievable > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > > dream, > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > either > > > > to > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > > other > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand > any > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > trouble > > > > you > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > devotion to > > > > > God > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > shaastraas, > > > > and > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > personalities > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > (Actually > > > > > the > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > believer, > > or > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > gain > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > > and so > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who > is > > > > > highly > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > > recourse > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > Maarga > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > understand > > > > > this. > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > Devil " in > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > improper > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > Baadha > > in > > > > > most > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > learn > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > English > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions > in > > > > > charts > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > Lalith > > > > > just > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > and > > > > email > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > > back > > > > as > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > session. > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > counselling > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > Somehow > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > and > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > REASONS I > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > HIM....He > > > > is > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > wrote > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > unprofessional; > > > > you > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > write " I > > am > > > > too > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > You > > are > > > > > > right > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > Thanks > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > > got > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > That is > > > > > why > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > exorcism > > > > > is > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > help > > > > him > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > possibly > > > > gone > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > > Again, > > > > > he > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > according > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > frequent > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > WHAT > > THE > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > human > > > > > with > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > > only > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > > our > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > potential > > > > > to > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > events > > > > for > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > are > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > if > > the > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > negative. > > But, > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > > could > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > situation. > > So, > > > > > my > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > perform > > the > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > later > > > > check > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > produced > > any > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > turn > > of > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > sumangali > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > > not > > > > > about > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > > still > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. > I > > > > have > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > do I > > > > have > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > I > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > claim > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > is a > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > > VVIP, > > > > I > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > list. > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > > have > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > > hinted > > > > > at > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > changed > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > changes > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > one! > > > > But, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting > as > > if > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > your > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen > any > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at > a > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he > is > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > would > > have > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > enquiring > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > Panditji > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > > simply > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > full > > of > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, > I > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > > blame > > > > > me > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > said > > a > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > posted > > > > my > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > > (M.P) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz > the > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and > i > > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > compromised > > > > > and > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > informed > > > > him > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > didnt, > > > > > But > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > > birth, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, > but > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > he > > has > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > important > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > this > > > > also, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > complaining > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > > tell > > > > any > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > want. I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > without > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > techniques in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > > and on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > Pandit > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > respect. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > > idiot. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > knowledge to > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > Granthas, > > > > > U > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking > the > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > > openly, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > > can u > > > > > help > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > > whole > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > spirits > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > shocking > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. > In > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > lives " > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > apparition. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > projects > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > friend, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > your > > > > lies > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > > tells > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > > Lord > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > really > > had > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > debilitated > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > knowledge " ; > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > classified > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > > you; > > > > but > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > judgment > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > > before > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search > at > > > > your > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > competent > > > > > > person > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > teachings > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge > you > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > comes > > > > by > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > shastraic > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > > with > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > knowledge, > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > knowledge > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > > see, > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > qualified > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > calamities, > > > > that > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > persons > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > mockery > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what > is > > > > there > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may > be > > put > > > > > > into > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > written > > such > > > > a > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > unchallenged > > > > > after > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > noble > > > > soul > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > nothing > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " > or > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > him; > > but > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > Panditji > > has > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > ego... > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > > while > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > much > > > > > true, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > > one is > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > who > > is > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > truth > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > > after > > > > > she > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > yrs > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > thought > > > > this > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > > contact > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > > she > > > > w'd > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > place > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > communication > > was > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > > seen > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > skills > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > bad > > > > about > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > > chart, > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > like > > > > She > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about > to > > > > visit > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > > to me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > already > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > > belong > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > spoil > > her > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > meaning > > of > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > what > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > daily > > > > > puja, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > divine > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > > help, > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > happens > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > Reliance > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > reconcilation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > told > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, > I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > here > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > > Priya, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > > were > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > > region > > > > > in > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > all > > was > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of > me > > was > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all > my > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > > people. > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > Priya > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > dont > > > > know > > > > > he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap > in > > > > > between > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > her, or > > > > > all > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > > lives > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > look > > down > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > > found > > > > > is, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > > BPO, > > > > she > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, > She > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails > to > > HR > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, > i > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i > was > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > skills > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and > u > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > let u > > > > know > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > arrogance > > > > and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > near > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > Priya's > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd > be > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > if > > she > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > establishing a > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > > whatever > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > what > > u > > > > > cant > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji > it > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > previous > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > didnt > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > spirti's > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > > wrong, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > Mr. > > > > Rafal > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > pain, > > I > > > > > dont > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > photograpgh > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > not > > have > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > > and > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > > the 64 > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > great > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > full > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > children. > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > because > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > > think > > > > he > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > idiocy > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > then > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > > broken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to > the > > > > > level > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > you > > at > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > Priya/ > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > failures > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. > I > > can > > > > > bet > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > versions > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > decent > > to > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > > Don't > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > efficacy.Astrology > > is a > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > but > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > > they > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > applied > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > > for > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > need > > of > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > etiquettes > > > > of > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > useless to > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > will > > it > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > Guruji's > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > in > > gold > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > try > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > you > > do > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > Understand > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > > stop > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > need > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > about > > > > the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > those > > > > who > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > efficient > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > mouth > > > > > though > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > eating > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > > nature > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > changed. > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > suit > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > much > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times > and > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > > one, > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > > in my > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > > ok, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > prashan > > > > chart > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > > brak > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > that's > > why > > > > i > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > > group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > > happy > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > from > > u, I > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > having > > > > > average > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > such > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > nice > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > little > > > > good > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > difficult, i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > about > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > protray > > > > > your > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > Engineering > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > science > > > > is > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > privacy...when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > think > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > recording > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > Man > > your > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > want > > from > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > > service > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > payment > > to > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > > asked > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > > like > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > Panditji! > > > > You > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as > if > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > asking > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > what > > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > all > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > Lady - > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > you > > > > only > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > > your > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > running > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > post - > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > outright > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > your > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > > Priya, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > name - > > > > but > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > nothing > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > > and > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > > capable > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > this - > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > counselled > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > would > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > > right > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > want! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > > have > > > > his > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > very > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > > great > > > > > man > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > like > > you - > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > > time > > > > for > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > post > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > helping > > out > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > and > > > > tries > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > good. > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > like > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > documented > > > > as > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > begane, > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > refused > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > recommened a > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > tell > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > charts > > > > > made > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > explanations , > > > > > the > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it > was > > > > said > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > conclude > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > group. > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > confusion > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > discuss > > it > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > physical > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > through > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. > Rao > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > person > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > > more > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > private > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > > end, > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how > i m > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > realized > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > deciding > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in > my > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > key > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > pity > > that > > > > u > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > > time, > > > > > in > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > and > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > giving > > > > > same > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge > has > > > > come > > > > > > to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > > no way > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for > the > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > > have > > > > > same > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > dealings. > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > prediction > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > > delays > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > experienced. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > > family). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting > to > > > > > scare > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > counteract > > > > that > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > events > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > that > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > that > > > > > factor > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > entity > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so > it > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > > based > > > > on > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > > or in > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > quite > > > > > tough > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > factors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > happen > > in > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > marriage > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > > about > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > hints > > > > about > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > insists > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details > to > > > > him, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > prashna > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > techniques > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > too > > much > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > infact > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > getting > > > > at > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > patience's > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > person > > > > how > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > > acted > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > between > > > > us > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable > in > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > person > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > telling > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > maintaining > > the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > inauspicious! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > hiding > > > > > > things > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > accusing > > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I > am > > > > > acting > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > imputing > > > > > motives > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > ----- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out > in > > > > the > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > hide? > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > practising > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > > the > > > > VA > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > Garga > > Hora > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > withholding > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > taking > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > handling > > > > my > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > accusing > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > something > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > > have > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > > that > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > failed > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > you > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > other I > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep > in > > my > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > > charts, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > > and u > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Will discuss about all such stuffs in a private chat.......................... This group is meant for astrological purposes and let us keep it specific for that purpose only. Amit litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 12:33:35 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz > wrote: > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > Hi Amit, > > i m poor in this art. > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > town........ > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, > i > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > maa > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > have > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what > is > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to > me > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > himself > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > before > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > group. > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > and pls > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > ones .Evn > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > parasurama > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > tantra > > and > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > maximum > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > remedies .And > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > prathikara > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > think > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > her....Spirits > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > > they > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > when > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > have > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > peace.....May > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm > the > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > Kaartikeyaa, > > one > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > Raamaayana > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > spirits. > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > > and > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > these > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > count > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > > your > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed > in > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > auspicious > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > > here > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > greatness > > of > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > out > > to > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > saying it > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > backlash > > will > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what > it > > can > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > trying > > to > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > love > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > request > > > > will! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > prashna > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > dream > > > > who > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > > is to > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > and > > i > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > unbelievable > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > > dream, > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > either > > > > to > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > > other > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand > any > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > trouble > > > > you > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > devotion to > > > > > God > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > shaastraas, > > > > and > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > personalities > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > (Actually > > > > > the > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > believer, > > or > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > gain > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > > and so > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who > is > > > > > highly > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > > recourse > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > Maarga > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > understand > > > > > this. > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > Devil " in > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > improper > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > Baadha > > in > > > > > most > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > learn > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > English > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions > in > > > > > charts > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > Lalith > > > > > just > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > and > > > > email > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > > back > > > > as > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > session. > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > counselling > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > Somehow > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > and > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > REASONS I > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > HIM....He > > > > is > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > wrote > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > unprofessional; > > > > you > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > write " I > > am > > > > too > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > You > > are > > > > > > right > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > Thanks > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > > got > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > That is > > > > > why > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > exorcism > > > > > is > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > help > > > > him > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > possibly > > > > gone > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > > Again, > > > > > he > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > according > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > frequent > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > WHAT > > THE > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > human > > > > > with > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > > only > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > > our > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > potential > > > > > to > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > events > > > > for > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > are > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > if > > the > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > negative. > > But, > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > > could > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > situation. > > So, > > > > > my > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > perform > > the > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > later > > > > check > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > produced > > any > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > turn > > of > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > sumangali > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > > not > > > > > about > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > > still > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. > I > > > > have > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > do I > > > > have > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > I > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > claim > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > is a > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > > VVIP, > > > > I > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > list. > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > > have > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > > hinted > > > > > at > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > changed > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > changes > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > one! > > > > But, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting > as > > if > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > your > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen > any > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at > a > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he > is > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > would > > have > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > enquiring > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > Panditji > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > > simply > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > full > > of > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, > I > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > > blame > > > > > me > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > said > > a > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > posted > > > > my > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > > (M.P) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz > the > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and > i > > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > compromised > > > > > and > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > informed > > > > him > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > didnt, > > > > > But > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > > birth, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, > but > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > he > > has > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > important > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > this > > > > also, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > complaining > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > > tell > > > > any > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > want. I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > without > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > techniques in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > > and on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > Pandit > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > respect. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > > idiot. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > knowledge to > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > Granthas, > > > > > U > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking > the > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > > openly, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > > can u > > > > > help > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > > whole > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > spirits > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > shocking > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. > In > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > lives " > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > apparition. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > projects > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > friend, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > your > > > > lies > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > > tells > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > > Lord > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > really > > had > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > debilitated > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > knowledge " ; > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > classified > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > > you; > > > > but > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > judgment > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > > before > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search > at > > > > your > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > competent > > > > > > person > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > teachings > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge > you > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > comes > > > > by > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > shastraic > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > > with > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > knowledge, > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > knowledge > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > > see, > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > qualified > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > calamities, > > > > that > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > persons > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > mockery > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what > is > > > > there > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may > be > > put > > > > > > into > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > written > > such > > > > a > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > unchallenged > > > > > after > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > noble > > > > soul > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > nothing > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " > or > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > him; > > but > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > Panditji > > has > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > ego... > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > > while > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > much > > > > > true, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > > one is > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > who > > is > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > truth > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > > after > > > > > she > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > yrs > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > thought > > > > this > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > > contact > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > > she > > > > w'd > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > place > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > communication > > was > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > > seen > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > skills > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > bad > > > > about > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > > chart, > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > like > > > > She > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about > to > > > > visit > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > > to me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > already > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > > belong > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > spoil > > her > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > meaning > > of > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > what > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > daily > > > > > puja, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > divine > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > > help, > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > happens > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > Reliance > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > reconcilation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > told > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, > I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > here > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > > Priya, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > > were > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > > region > > > > > in > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > all > > was > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of > me > > was > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all > my > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > > people. > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > Priya > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > dont > > > > know > > > > > he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap > in > > > > > between > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > her, or > > > > > all > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > > lives > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > look > > down > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > > found > > > > > is, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > > BPO, > > > > she > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, > She > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails > to > > HR > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, > i > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i > was > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > skills > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and > u > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > let u > > > > know > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > arrogance > > > > and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > near > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > Priya's > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd > be > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > if > > she > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > establishing a > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > > whatever > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > what > > u > > > > > cant > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji > it > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > previous > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > didnt > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > spirti's > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > > wrong, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > Mr. > > > > Rafal > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > pain, > > I > > > > > dont > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > photograpgh > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > not > > have > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > > and > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > > the 64 > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > great > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > full > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > children. > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > because > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > > think > > > > he > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > idiocy > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > then > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > > broken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to > the > > > > > level > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > you > > at > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > Priya/ > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > failures > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. > I > > can > > > > > bet > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > versions > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > decent > > to > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > > Don't > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > efficacy.Astrology > > is a > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > but > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > > they > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > applied > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > > for > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > need > > of > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > etiquettes > > > > of > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > useless to > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > will > > it > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > Guruji's > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > in > > gold > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > try > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > you > > do > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > Understand > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > > stop > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > need > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > about > > > > the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > those > > > > who > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > efficient > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > mouth > > > > > though > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > eating > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > > nature > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > changed. > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > suit > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > much > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times > and > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > > one, > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > > in my > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > > ok, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > prashan > > > > chart > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > > brak > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > that's > > why > > > > i > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > > group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > > happy > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > from > > u, I > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > having > > > > > average > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > such > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > nice > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > little > > > > good > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > difficult, i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > about > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > protray > > > > > your > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > Engineering > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > science > > > > is > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > privacy...when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > think > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > recording > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > Man > > your > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > want > > from > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > > service > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > payment > > to > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > > asked > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > > like > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > Panditji! > > > > You > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as > if > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > asking > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > what > > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > all > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > Lady - > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > you > > > > only > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > > your > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > running > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > post - > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > outright > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > your > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > > Priya, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > name - > > > > but > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > nothing > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > > and > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > > capable > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > this - > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > counselled > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > would > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > > right > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > want! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > > have > > > > his > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > very > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > > great > > > > > man > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > like > > you - > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > > time > > > > for > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > post > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > helping > > out > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > and > > > > tries > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > good. > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > like > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > documented > > > > as > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > begane, > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > refused > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > recommened a > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > tell > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > charts > > > > > made > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > explanations , > > > > > the > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it > was > > > > said > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > conclude > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > group. > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > confusion > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > discuss > > it > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > physical > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > through > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. > Rao > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > person > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > > more > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > private > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > > end, > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how > i m > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > realized > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > deciding > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in > my > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > key > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > pity > > that > > > > u > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > > time, > > > > > in > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > and > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > giving > > > > > same > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge > has > > > > come > > > > > > to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > > no way > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for > the > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > > have > > > > > same > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > dealings. > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > prediction > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > > delays > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > experienced. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > > family). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting > to > > > > > scare > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > counteract > > > > that > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > events > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > that > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > that > > > > > factor > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > entity > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so > it > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > > based > > > > on > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > > or in > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > quite > > > > > tough > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > factors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > happen > > in > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > marriage > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > > about > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > hints > > > > about > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > insists > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details > to > > > > him, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > prashna > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > techniques > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > too > > much > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > infact > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > getting > > > > at > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > patience's > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > person > > > > how > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > > acted > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > between > > > > us > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable > in > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > person > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > telling > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > maintaining > > the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > inauspicious! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > hiding > > > > > > things > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > accusing > > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I > am > > > > > acting > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > imputing > > > > > motives > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > ----- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out > in > > > > the > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > hide? > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > practising > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > > the > > > > VA > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > Garga > > Hora > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > withholding > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > taking > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > handling > > > > my > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > accusing > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > something > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > > have > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > > that > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > failed > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > you > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > other I > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep > in > > my > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > > charts, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > > and u > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Blocking your thoughts in such a way will destroy your personality. litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 12:33:35 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz > wrote: > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > Hi Amit, > > i m poor in this art. > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > town........ > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, > i > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > maa > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > have > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what > is > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to > me > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > himself > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > before > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > group. > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > and pls > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > ones .Evn > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > parasurama > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > tantra > > and > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > maximum > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > remedies .And > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > prathikara > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > think > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > her....Spirits > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > > they > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > when > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > have > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > peace.....May > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm > the > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > Kaartikeyaa, > > one > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > Raamaayana > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > spirits. > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > > and > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > these > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > count > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > > your > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed > in > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > auspicious > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > > here > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > greatness > > of > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > out > > to > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > saying it > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > backlash > > will > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what > it > > can > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > trying > > to > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > love > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > request > > > > will! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > prashna > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > dream > > > > who > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > > is to > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > and > > i > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > unbelievable > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > > dream, > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > either > > > > to > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > > other > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand > any > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > trouble > > > > you > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > devotion to > > > > > God > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > shaastraas, > > > > and > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > personalities > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > (Actually > > > > > the > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > believer, > > or > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > gain > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > > and so > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who > is > > > > > highly > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > > recourse > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > Maarga > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > understand > > > > > this. > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > Devil " in > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > improper > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > Baadha > > in > > > > > most > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > learn > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > English > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions > in > > > > > charts > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > Lalith > > > > > just > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > and > > > > email > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > > back > > > > as > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > session. > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > counselling > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > Somehow > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > and > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > REASONS I > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > HIM....He > > > > is > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > wrote > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > unprofessional; > > > > you > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > write " I > > am > > > > too > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > You > > are > > > > > > right > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > Thanks > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > > got > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > That is > > > > > why > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > exorcism > > > > > is > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > help > > > > him > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > possibly > > > > gone > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > > Again, > > > > > he > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > according > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > frequent > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > WHAT > > THE > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > human > > > > > with > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > > only > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > > our > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > potential > > > > > to > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > events > > > > for > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > are > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > if > > the > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > negative. > > But, > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > > could > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > situation. > > So, > > > > > my > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > perform > > the > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > later > > > > check > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > produced > > any > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > turn > > of > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > sumangali > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > > not > > > > > about > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > > still > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. > I > > > > have > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > do I > > > > have > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > I > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > claim > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > is a > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > > VVIP, > > > > I > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > list. > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > > have > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > > hinted > > > > > at > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > changed > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > changes > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > one! > > > > But, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting > as > > if > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > your > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen > any > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at > a > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he > is > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > would > > have > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > enquiring > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > Panditji > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > > simply > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > full > > of > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, > I > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > > blame > > > > > me > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > said > > a > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > posted > > > > my > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > > (M.P) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz > the > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and > i > > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > compromised > > > > > and > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > informed > > > > him > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > didnt, > > > > > But > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > > birth, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, > but > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > he > > has > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > important > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > this > > > > also, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > complaining > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > > tell > > > > any > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > want. I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > without > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > techniques in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > > and on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > Pandit > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > respect. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > > idiot. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > knowledge to > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > Granthas, > > > > > U > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking > the > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > > openly, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > > can u > > > > > help > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > > whole > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > spirits > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > shocking > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. > In > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > lives " > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > apparition. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > projects > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > friend, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > your > > > > lies > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > > tells > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > > Lord > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > really > > had > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > debilitated > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > knowledge " ; > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > classified > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > > you; > > > > but > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > judgment > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > > before > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search > at > > > > your > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > competent > > > > > > person > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > teachings > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge > you > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > comes > > > > by > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > shastraic > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > > with > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > knowledge, > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > knowledge > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > > see, > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > qualified > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > calamities, > > > > that > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > persons > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > mockery > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what > is > > > > there > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may > be > > put > > > > > > into > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > written > > such > > > > a > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > unchallenged > > > > > after > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > noble > > > > soul > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > nothing > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " > or > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > him; > > but > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > Panditji > > has > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > ego... > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > > while > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > much > > > > > true, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > > one is > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > who > > is > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > truth > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > > after > > > > > she > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > yrs > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > thought > > > > this > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > > contact > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > > she > > > > w'd > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > place > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > communication > > was > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > > seen > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > skills > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > bad > > > > about > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > > chart, > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > like > > > > She > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about > to > > > > visit > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > > to me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > already > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > > belong > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > spoil > > her > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > meaning > > of > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > what > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > daily > > > > > puja, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > divine > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > > help, > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > happens > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > Reliance > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > reconcilation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > told > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, > I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > here > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > > Priya, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > > were > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > > region > > > > > in > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > all > > was > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of > me > > was > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all > my > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > > people. > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > Priya > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > dont > > > > know > > > > > he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap > in > > > > > between > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > her, or > > > > > all > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > > lives > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > look > > down > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > > found > > > > > is, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > > BPO, > > > > she > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, > She > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails > to > > HR > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, > i > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i > was > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > skills > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and > u > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > let u > > > > know > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > arrogance > > > > and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > near > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > Priya's > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd > be > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > if > > she > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > establishing a > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > > whatever > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > what > > u > > > > > cant > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji > it > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > previous > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > didnt > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > spirti's > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > > wrong, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > Mr. > > > > Rafal > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > pain, > > I > > > > > dont > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > photograpgh > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > not > > have > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > > and > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > > the 64 > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > great > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > full > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > children. > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > because > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > > think > > > > he > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > idiocy > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > then > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > > broken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to > the > > > > > level > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > you > > at > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > Priya/ > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > failures > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. > I > > can > > > > > bet > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > versions > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > decent > > to > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > > Don't > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > efficacy.Astrology > > is a > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > but > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > > they > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > applied > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > > for > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > need > > of > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > etiquettes > > > > of > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > useless to > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > will > > it > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > Guruji's > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > in > > gold > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > try > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > you > > do > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > Understand > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > > stop > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > need > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > about > > > > the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > those > > > > who > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > efficient > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > mouth > > > > > though > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > eating > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > > nature > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > changed. > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > suit > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > much > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times > and > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > > one, > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > > in my > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > > ok, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > prashan > > > > chart > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > > brak > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > that's > > why > > > > i > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > > group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > > happy > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > from > > u, I > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > having > > > > > average > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > such > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > nice > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > little > > > > good > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > difficult, i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > about > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > protray > > > > > your > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > Engineering > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > science > > > > is > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > privacy...when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > think > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > recording > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > Man > > your > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > want > > from > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > > service > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > payment > > to > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > > asked > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > > like > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > Panditji! > > > > You > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as > if > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > asking > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > what > > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > all > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > Lady - > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > you > > > > only > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > > your > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > running > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > post - > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > outright > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > your > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > > Priya, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > name - > > > > but > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > nothing > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > > and > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > > capable > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > this - > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > counselled > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > would > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > > right > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > want! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > > have > > > > his > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > very > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > > great > > > > > man > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > like > > you - > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > > time > > > > for > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > post > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > helping > > out > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > and > > > > tries > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > good. > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > like > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > documented > > > > as > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > begane, > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > refused > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > recommened a > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > tell > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > charts > > > > > made > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > explanations , > > > > > the > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it > was > > > > said > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > conclude > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > group. > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > confusion > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > discuss > > it > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > physical > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > through > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. > Rao > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > person > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > > more > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > private > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > > end, > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how > i m > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > realized > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > deciding > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in > my > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > key > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > pity > > that > > > > u > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > > time, > > > > > in > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > and > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > giving > > > > > same > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge > has > > > > come > > > > > > to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > > no way > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for > the > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > > have > > > > > same > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > dealings. > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > prediction > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > > delays > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > experienced. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > > family). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting > to > > > > > scare > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > counteract > > > > that > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > events > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > that > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > that > > > > > factor > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > entity > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so > it > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > > based > > > > on > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > > or in > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > quite > > > > > tough > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > factors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > happen > > in > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > marriage > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > > about > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > hints > > > > about > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > insists > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details > to > > > > him, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > prashna > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > techniques > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > too > > much > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > infact > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > getting > > > > at > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > patience's > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > person > > > > how > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > > acted > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > between > > > > us > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable > in > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > person > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > telling > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > maintaining > > the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > inauspicious! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > hiding > > > > > > things > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > accusing > > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I > am > > > > > acting > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > imputing > > > > > motives > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > ----- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out > in > > > > the > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > hide? > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > practising > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > > the > > > > VA > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > Garga > > Hora > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > withholding > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > taking > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > handling > > > > my > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > accusing > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > something > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > > have > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > > that > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > failed > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > you > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > other I > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep > in > > my > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > > charts, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > > and u > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Phew!!.. Lalit, what R U talking about?...... this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & accept......but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not gonna allow that is it....? if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... Pt. Sanjay Rathji.......Whatshappening in this pious environment.....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > Hi Amit, > > i m poor in this art. > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > regards, > Lalit. > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to delve > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away like > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > town........ > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested to > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an animal. > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my relatives, > i > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied a > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk to > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > maa > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > have > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, they > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured me > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, what > is > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told to > me > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > himself > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > before > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if she > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > group. > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > and pls > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the annihilation > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > ones .Evn > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > parasurama > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > tantra > > and > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > maximum > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > remedies .And > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > prathikara > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is very > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > think > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > her....Spirits > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their softcore, > > they > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > when > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > have > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > peace.....May > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely calm > the > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who do > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > Kaartikeyaa, > > one > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > Raamaayana > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > spirits. > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons will > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in peace > > and > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > these > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > count > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we want > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. Honour > > your > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you succeed > in > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > auspicious > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most members > > here > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > greatness > > of > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > out > > to > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > saying it > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > backlash > > will > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine what > it > > can > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > trying > > to > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > love > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > request > > > > will! > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " mishra.lalit@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > prashna > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > dream > > > > who > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only objective > > is to > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is a > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > and > > i > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > unbelievable > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give a > > dream, > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their prashna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > either > > > > to > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha and > > > > other > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever stand > any > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > trouble > > > > you > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > devotion to > > > > > God > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > shaastraas, > > > > and > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > personalities > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > (Actually > > > > > the > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > believer, > > or > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > gain > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from dharma, > > and so > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person who > is > > > > > highly > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily without > > > > > recourse > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > Maarga > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > understand > > > > > this. > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > Devil " in > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can cross > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > improper > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > Baadha > > in > > > > > most > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects under a > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > learn > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > English > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary positions > in > > > > > charts > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > Lalith > > > > > just > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > and > > > > email > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer them > > back > > > > as > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > session. > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > counselling > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > Somehow > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > and > > I > > > > > don't > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. with > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > REASONS I > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > HIM....He > > > > is > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > wrote > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > unprofessional; > > > > you > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > write " I > > am > > > > too > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . This > is > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > You > > are > > > > > > right > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > Thanks > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which has > > got > > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > That is > > > > > why > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > exorcism > > > > > is > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > help > > > > him > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > possibly > > > > gone > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his frustration. > > Again, > > > > > he > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > according > > to > > > > > his > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I had > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > frequent > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > WHAT > > THE > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > human > > > > > with > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies are > > only > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to hear > > our > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > potential > > > > > to > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > events > > > > for > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > are > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong and > > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > if > > the > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at this > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > negative. > > But, > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the thing > > could > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > situation. > > So, > > > > > my > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > perform > > the > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > later > > > > check > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > produced > > any > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > turn > > of > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do the > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > sumangali > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas did > > not > > > > > about > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why he > > still > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about me. > I > > > > have > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of my > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > do I > > > > have > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > I > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > claim > > he > > > > > has > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. Pandit > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > is a > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is a > > VVIP, > > > > I > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > list. > > So, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you faggot? > > Does > > > > he > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting your > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in reply. > You > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You idiot > > have > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he has > > hinted > > > > > at > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > changed > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > changes > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > one! > > > > But, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and depicting > as > > if > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > your > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have seen > any > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been at > a > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when he > is > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is really > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > would > > have > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and known > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > enquiring > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > Panditji > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i did, > > > > simply > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > full > > of > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to me, > I > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge to > > blame > > > > > me > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > said > > a > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > posted > > > > my > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at Rewa > > (M.P) > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault coz > the > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone and > i > > > > have > > > > > no > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > compromised > > > > > and > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > informed > > > > him > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but i > > said, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > didnt, > > > > > But > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of previous > > > > birth, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell same, > but > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > he > > has > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > important > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > this > > > > also, > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > complaining > > > > any > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he didn't > > tell > > > > any > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > want. I > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > without > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same time, > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > techniques in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same thing > > and on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > Pandit > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > respect. > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call u > > idiot. > > > > > You > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > knowledge to > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > Granthas, > > > > > U > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of taking > the > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m sharing > > > > > openly, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya and > > can u > > > > > help > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was craving > > whole > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > spirits > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had already > > > > found > > > > > it > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A person > of > > > > his > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > shocking > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very subtle. > In > > > > fact > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > lives " > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > apparition. > > > > > In > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; and > > see > > > > the > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > projects > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > friend, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > your > > > > lies > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who never > > tells > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you claim > > Lord > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > really > > had > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > debilitated > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > knowledge " ; > > > > but > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > classified > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one for > > you; > > > > but > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > judgment > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did tapasya > > > > before > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to search > at > > > > your > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > competent > > > > > > person > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > teachings > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of knowledge > you > > > > have > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > comes > > > > by > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > shastraic > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze things > > with > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and not > > with > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > knowledge, > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > knowledge > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. You > > see, > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > qualified > > > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > calamities, > > > > that > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > persons > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > mockery > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me angry " ...what > is > > > > there > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or even > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you may > be > > put > > > > > > into > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > written > > such > > > > a > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > unchallenged > > > > > after > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > noble > > > > soul > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > nothing > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me an " idiot " > or > > > > even > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > him; > > but > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > Panditji > > has > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > ego... > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, > > while > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > much > > > > > true, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', > > one is > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > who > > is > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > truth > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me > > after > > > > > she > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > yrs > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > thought > > > > this > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to > > > > contact > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, > > she > > > > w'd > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > place > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > communication > > was > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not > > seen > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > skills > > > > > need > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and the > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > bad > > > > about > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna > > > > chart, > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > like > > > > She > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and about > to > > > > visit > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she refered > > to me > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > already > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He didn't > > > > belong > > > > > to > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > spoil > > her > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > meaning > > of > > > > > life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > what > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > daily > > > > > puja, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > divine > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for > > help, > > > > > what > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > happens > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > Reliance > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > reconcilation > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > told > > to > > > > > me, > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact her, > I > > > > > wanted > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > here > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail to > > > > Priya, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me both > > were > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of my > > region > > > > > in > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted in > the > > > > > group, > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > all > > was > > > > > my > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of > me > > was > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all > my > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help > > > > people. > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > Priya > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > dont > > > > know > > > > > he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the gap > in > > > > > between > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > her, or > > > > > all > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where she > > > > lives > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > look > > down > > > > > in > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i > > found > > > > > is, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a > > BPO, > > > > she > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in Bombay, > She > > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails > to > > HR > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, > i > > also > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom i > was > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > skills > > more > > > > > and > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and > u > > > > have > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > let u > > > > know > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > arrogance > > > > and > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > near > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > Priya's > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I w'd > be > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > if > > she > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > establishing a > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd pay > > > > > whatever > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > what > > u > > > > > cant > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji > it > > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but > > > > Pandit > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > previous > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > didnt > > > > tell > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > spirti's > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was > > > > wrong, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > Mr. > > > > Rafal > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > pain, > > I > > > > > dont > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > photograpgh > > > > that > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > not > > have > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam > > and > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or > > the 64 > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are > > > > trying > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > great > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > full > > > > life > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > children. > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > because > > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I > > think > > > > he > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > idiocy > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > then > > what > > > > > do > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get heart- > > broken > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed to > the > > > > > level > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > you > > at > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > Priya/ > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > failures > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. > I > > can > > > > > bet > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > versions > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, he > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > decent > > to > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying this > > and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have written. > > > > Don't > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > efficacy.Astrology > > is a > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > but > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than what > > they > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > applied > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool > > for > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > need > > of > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > etiquettes > > > > of > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > useless to > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > will > > it > > > > > know > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > Guruji's > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > in > > gold > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > try > > to > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > you > > do > > > > > that, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > Understand > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, > > stop > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > need > > for > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > about > > > > the > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > those > > > > who > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > efficient > > > > in > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than those " researchers " . > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > mouth > > > > > though > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > eating > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, > > nature > > > > > has > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > changed. > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > suit > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > much > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times > and > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any > > one, > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came > > in my > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, > > ok, > > > > > they > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > prashan > > > > chart > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no > > brak > > > > up > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > that's > > why > > > > i > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in > > group, > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than > > happy > > > > to > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > from > > u, I > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > having > > > > > average > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > such > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > nice > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > little > > > > good > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > difficult, i > > > > > was > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > about > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > protray > > > > > your > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the > > Vedas > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try > to > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > Engineering > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > science > > > > is > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > privacy...when > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > think > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think > > the > > > > > world > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > recording > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > Man > > your > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > want > > from > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except > > > > service > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > payment > > to > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because you > > asked > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something silly > > like > > > > > this > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > Panditji! > > > > You > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as > if > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > asking > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > what > > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > all > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > Lady - > > and > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > you > > > > only > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in > > your > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > running > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > post - > > > > but > > > > > my > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > outright > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > your > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, > > Priya, > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > name - > > > > but > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > nothing > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name > > and > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is > > > > capable > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > this - > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > counselled > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > would > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the > > > > right > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > want! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not > > have > > > > his > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > very > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that > > great > > > > > man > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > like > > you - > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients > all > > > > over > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have > > time > > > > for > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > post > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > helping > > out > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > and > > > > tries > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > good. > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > like > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > documented > > > > as > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > begane, > > when > > > > i > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > refused > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > recommened a > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > tell > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > charts > > > > > made > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > explanations , > > > > > the > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it > was > > > > said > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > conclude > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > group. > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > confusion > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > discuss > > it > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > physical > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > through > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. > Rao > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > person > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes > > more > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > private > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur > > end, > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how > i m > > > > > going > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > realized > > > > > by > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > deciding > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in > my > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > key > > to > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > pity > > that > > > > u > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the same > > time, > > > > > in > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > interested > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > and > > not > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > giving > > > > > same > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge > has > > > > come > > > > > > to > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is > > no way > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for > the > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will > > have > > > > > same > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > dealings. > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > prediction > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital > > > > delays > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > experienced. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the > > > > > family). > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting > to > > > > > scare > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > the > > > > > matter > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > counteract > > > > that > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > events > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > that > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > that > > > > > factor > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > entity > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so > it > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also > > based > > > > on > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 > > or in > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > quite > > > > > tough > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > factors > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and > had > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > happen > > in > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > marriage > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting > > about > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > hints > > > > about > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > insists > > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details > to > > > > him, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > prashna > > > > > is > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > techniques > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > too > > much > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > infact > > it > > > > > might > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > getting > > > > at > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > patience's > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > person > > > > how > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have > > acted > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > between > > > > us > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable > in > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > person > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > telling > > him > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > maintaining > > the > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > inauspicious! I > > > > am > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > hiding > > > > > > things > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > accusing > > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I > am > > > > > acting > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > imputing > > > > > motives > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > ----- > > ---- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out > in > > > > the > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > hide? > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > practising > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in > > the > > > > VA > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > Garga > > Hora > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > withholding > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > taking > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > handling > > > > my > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > accusing > > me > > > > of > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > something > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I > > have > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so > > that > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > failed > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > you > > for > > > > > all > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > other I > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep > in > > my > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important > > > > charts, > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > without > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end > > and u > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hi Amit and Jai Gurudev, The one who one's tastes the love of divine mother, never be blocked by anything, coz, what will exist to block him, everywhere, only maa playes. while in world, we people have dual personality within us, the one is not involved in any thing from the core of the heart, but when we have to act for some thing, there is no icon, nothing challanging for us. we are rough, sensitive, emotionally weak many times, sharp in action and n'joy independance of thoughts. we are not part of any school of thoughts, we dont to any thing, we get ahead towards universal views. we find immense affection and love within us for every one, respect is embedded in love, so Amit, u can understand, many myths like the one u told about, don't apply on us provided we are in action. most of the times we are able to manage both the shades of the personality with no conflict, if we dont manage, we are like next guy on the road. My sun sign is Leo , these days i m little lazy. thanx for the suggestions and wishes !! regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Jai Gurudev <jgurudev wrote: > > Phew!!.. > Lalit, what R U talking about?...... > this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & accept......but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not gonna allow that is it....? > if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... > Pt. Sanjay Rathji.......Whatshappening in this pious environment.....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please > > litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: > No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. > > i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz@> wrote: > > > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > i m poor in this art. > > > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to > delve > > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away > like > > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > > town........ > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > Chart !! > > > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested > to > > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an > animal. > > > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my > relatives, > > i > > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied > a > > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk > to > > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > > maa > > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > > have > > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, > they > > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured > me > > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, > what > > is > > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told > to > > me > > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > > himself > > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > > before > > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if > she > > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > > group. > > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > > and pls > > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the > annihilation > > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > > ones .Evn > > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > > parasurama > > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > > tantra > > > and > > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > > maximum > > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > > remedies .And > > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > > prathikara > > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is > very > > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > > think > > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > > her....Spirits > > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their > softcore, > > > they > > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > > when > > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > > have > > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > > peace.....May > > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely > calm > > the > > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who > do > > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > > Kaartikeyaa, > > > one > > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > > Raamaayana > > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > > spirits. > > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons > will > > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in > peace > > > and > > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > > these > > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > > count > > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we > want > > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. > Honour > > > your > > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you > succeed > > in > > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > > auspicious > > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most > members > > > here > > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > > greatness > > > of > > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > > out > > > to > > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > > saying it > > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > > backlash > > > will > > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine > what > > it > > > can > > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > > trying > > > to > > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > > love > > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > > request > > > > > will! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > > prashna > > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > > dream > > > > > who > > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only > objective > > > is to > > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is > a > > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > > and > > > i > > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > > unbelievable > > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give > a > > > dream, > > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their > prashna > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > > either > > > > > to > > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever > stand > > any > > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > > trouble > > > > > you > > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > > devotion to > > > > > > God > > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > > shaastraas, > > > > > and > > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > > personalities > > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > > (Actually > > > > > > the > > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > > believer, > > > or > > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > > gain > > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from > dharma, > > > and so > > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person > who > > is > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily > without > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > > Maarga > > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > > understand > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > > Devil " in > > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > > knowledge > > > > > > of > > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can > cross > > > check > > > > > > the > > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > > improper > > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > > Baadha > > > in > > > > > > most > > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher > is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects > under a > > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > > learn > > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > > English > > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary > positions > > in > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > > Lalith > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > > and > > > > > email > > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer > them > > > back > > > > > as > > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > > session. > > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > > counselling > > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > > Somehow > > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > > and > > > I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. > with > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > > REASONS I > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > > HIM....He > > > > > is > > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > > wrote > > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > > unprofessional; > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > > write " I > > > am > > > > > too > > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . > This > > is > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > > You > > > are > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > > Thanks > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which > has > > > got > > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > > That is > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > > exorcism > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > > help > > > > > him > > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > > possibly > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his > frustration. > > > Again, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > > according > > > to > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I > had > > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > > frequent > > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > > WHAT > > > THE > > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > > human > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies > are > > > only > > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to > hear > > > our > > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > > potential > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > > events > > > > > for > > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong > and > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > > if > > > the > > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at > this > > > point > > > > > of > > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > > negative. > > > But, > > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the > thing > > > could > > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > > situation. > > > So, > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > > perform > > > the > > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > > later > > > > > check > > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > > produced > > > any > > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > > turn > > > of > > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do > the > > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > > sumangali > > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas > did > > > not > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why > he > > > still > > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about > me. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of > my > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > > do I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > > I > > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > > claim > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > > is a > > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is > a > > > VVIP, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > > list. > > > So, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you > faggot? > > > Does > > > > > he > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting > your > > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in > reply. > > You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You > idiot > > > have > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he > has > > > hinted > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > > changed > > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > > astrologers > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > > one! > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and > depicting > > as > > > if > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > > your > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have > seen > > any > > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been > at > > a > > > loss > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when > he > > is > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is > really > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > > would > > > have > > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and > known > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > > enquiring > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > > Panditji > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are > accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i > did, > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > > full > > > of > > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to > me, > > I > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge > to > > > blame > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > > said > > > a > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > > posted > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at > Rewa > > > (M.P) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > > any > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault > coz > > the > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone > and > > i > > > > > have > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > > compromised > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > > informed > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but > i > > > said, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > > didnt, > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of > previous > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell > same, > > but > > > > > when > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > > he > > > has > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > > important > > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > > this > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > > complaining > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he > didn't > > > tell > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > > want. I > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > > without > > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same > time, > > he > > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > > techniques in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same > thing > > > and on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > > respect. > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call > u > > > idiot. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > > knowledge to > > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > > Granthas, > > > > > > U > > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of > taking > > the > > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m > sharing > > > > > > openly, > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya > and > > > can u > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was > craving > > > whole > > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > > spirits > > > > > but > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had > already > > > > > found > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A > person > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > > shocking > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very > subtle. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > > lives " > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > > apparition. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; > and > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > > projects > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > > friend, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > > your > > > > > lies > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who > never > > > tells > > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you > claim > > > Lord > > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > > really > > > had > > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > > knowledge " ; > > > > > but > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > > classified > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one > for > > > you; > > > > > but > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > > judgment > > > > > over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did > tapasya > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to > search > > at > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > > competent > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of > knowledge > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > > comes > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > > shastraic > > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze > things > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and > not > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. > You > > > see, > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > > qualified > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > > calamities, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > > persons > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > > mockery > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me > angry " ...what > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or > even > > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you > may > > be > > > put > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > > written > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > > unchallenged > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > > noble > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > > nothing > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me > an " idiot " > > or > > > > > even > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > > him; > > > but > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > > Panditji > > > has > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > > ego... > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. > Abhishek, > > > while > > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > > much > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins > with 'P', > > > one is > > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > > who > > > is > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > > truth > > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted > me > > > after > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > > yrs > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > > thought > > > > > this > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not > to > > > > > contact > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off > cource, > > > she > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > > place > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > > communication > > > was > > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have > not > > > seen > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > > skills > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and > the > > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > > bad > > > > > about > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > > like > > > > > She > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and > about > > to > > > > > visit > > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she > refered > > > to me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > > already > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He > didn't > > > > > belong > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > > spoil > > > her > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > > meaning > > > of > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > > what > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > > daily > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > > divine > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him > for > > > help, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > > happens > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > > Reliance > > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > > reconcilation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > > told > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact > her, > > I > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > > here > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail > to > > > > > Priya, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me > both > > > were > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of > my > > > region > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted > in > > the > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > > all > > > was > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend > of > > me > > > was > > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with > all > > my > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i > help > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > > Priya > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of > showing a > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the > gap > > in > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > > her, or > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where > she > > > > > lives > > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > > look > > > down > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what > i > > > found > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with > a > > > BPO, > > > > > she > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in > Bombay, > > She > > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my > mails > > to > > > HR > > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO > priya, > > i > > > also > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom > i > > was > > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > > skills > > > more > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong > and > > u > > > > > have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > > let u > > > > > know > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > > arrogance > > > > > and > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > > near > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > > Priya's > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I > w'd > > be > > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > > if > > > she > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > > establishing a > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd > pay > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > > what > > > u > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit > ji > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, > but > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > > previous > > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > > didnt > > > > > tell > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > > spirti's > > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i > was > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > > Mr. > > > > > Rafal > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > > pain, > > > I > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > > photograpgh > > > > > that > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered > in > > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > > not > > > have > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, > mimamsa,nruktam > > > and > > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras > or > > > the 64 > > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but > are > > > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > > great > > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > > full > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > > children. > > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > > because > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe > forum...I > > > think > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > > idiocy > > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > > then > > > what > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get > heart- > > > broken > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed > to > > the > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > > you > > > at > > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > > Priya/ > > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > > failures > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your > circle. > > I > > > can > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > > versions > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure > you > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, > he > > > would > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > > decent > > > to > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying > this > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have > written. > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > > efficacy.Astrology > > > is a > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > > but > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than > what > > > they > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > > applied > > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory > tool > > > for > > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > > need > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > > etiquettes > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > > useless to > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > > will > > > it > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > > Guruji's > > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > > in > > > gold > > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > > try > > > to > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > > you > > > do > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > > Understand > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. > But, > > > stop > > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > > need > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > > those > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > > efficient > > > > > in > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than > those " researchers " . > > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > > mouth > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > > eating > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same > way, > > > nature > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > > suit > > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > > much > > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u > using > > > > > level > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 > times > > and > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with > any > > > one, > > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage > came > > > in my > > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of > them, > > > ok, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand > informed > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > > prashan > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as > no > > > brak > > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > > that's > > > why > > > > > i > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted > in > > > group, > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more > than > > > happy > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > > from > > > u, I > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > > having > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > > such > > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > > nice > > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > > little > > > > > good > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > > difficult, i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > > about > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > > protray > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > Vedas > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > > Engineering > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > > science > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > > privacy...when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > > think > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who > think > > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > > recording > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > > Man > > > your > > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > > want > > > from > > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything > except > > > > > service > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > > payment > > > to > > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because > you > > > asked > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something > silly > > > like > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > > Panditji! > > > > > You > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things > as > > if > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > > arguments > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > > asking > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > and > > > other > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > > the > > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > > try > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > > what > > > > > sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > > all > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > > Lady - > > > and > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > > you > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish > in > > > your > > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > > running > > > > > away > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > > post - > > > > > but > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > > outright > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > > your > > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga > (preeti, > > > Priya, > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > > name - > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > > nothing > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the > name > > > and > > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer > is > > > > > capable > > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > > this - > > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > > counselled > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is > genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have > the > > > > > right > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > > want! I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do > not > > > have > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > > very > > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of > that > > > great > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > > like > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and > clients > > all > > > > > over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever > have > > > time > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > > post > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > > helping > > > out > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > > and > > > > > tries > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > > good. > > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > > like > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are > no > > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > > documented > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > > begane, > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > > refused > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for > the > > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > > recommened a > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > > tell > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > > charts > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > > explanations , > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and > it > > was > > > > > said > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > > conclude > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > > group. > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > > confusion > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > > discuss > > > it > > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > > through > > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri > K.N. > > Rao > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters > via > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > > person > > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and > causes > > > more > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > > private > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at > ur > > > end, > > > > > if > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, > how > > i m > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of > not > > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > > realized > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > > deciding > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping > in > > my > > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > > key > > > to > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > > pity > > > that > > > > > u > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the > same > > > time, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can > post > > ur > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > > and > > > not > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > > giving > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient > knowledge > > has > > > > > come > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect > is > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u > for > > the > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i > will > > > have > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > > dealings. > > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > > prediction > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his > horoscope > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed > marital > > > > > delays > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > > experienced. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha > baadha " > > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in > the > > > > > > family). > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not > wanting > > to > > > > > > scare > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > > the > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > > counteract > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > > events > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > > that > > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > > that > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > > entity > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and > so > > it > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and > also > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb > 2008 > > > or in > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > > quite > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > > factors > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities > and > > had > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > > happen > > > in > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting > attitude > > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > > marriage > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been > persisting > > > about > > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > > hints > > > > > about > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > > insists > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete > details > > to > > > > > him, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > > prashna > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > > techniques > > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > > too > > > much > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > > infact > > > it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > > getting > > > > > at > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > > patience's > > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > > person > > > > > how > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this > member > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I > have > > > acted > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > > between > > > > > us > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are > knowledgeable > > in > > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > > person > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > > telling > > > him > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the > best > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > > maintaining > > > the > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > > inauspicious! I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > > hiding > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > > accusing > > > > > > me > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; > I > > am > > > > > > acting > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > > imputing > > > > > > motives > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this > what > > an > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > -- > > ----- > > > ---- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name > of > > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go > out > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > > hide? > > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > > practising > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was > denied > > > > > because > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " > in > > > the > > > > > VA > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > > members > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > > Garga > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > > withholding > > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > > taking > > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > > handling > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > > accusing > > > me > > > > > of > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > > something > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - > I > > > have > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list > so > > > that > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > > failed > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > > you > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > > other I > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional > approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I > w'd > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to > keep > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share > important > > > > > charts, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's > end > > > and u > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 if with free will............. dont talk duality............... if with maa............. dont talk about spirits............... Choose one and have a discussion............. litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 2:23:36 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! Hi Amit and Jai Gurudev, The one who one's tastes the love of divine mother, never be blocked by anything, coz, what will exist to block him, everywhere, only maa playes. while in world, we people have dual personality within us, the one is not involved in any thing from the core of the heart, but when we have to act for some thing, there is no icon, nothing challanging for us. we are rough, sensitive, emotionally weak many times, sharp in action and n'joy independance of thoughts. we are not part of any school of thoughts, we dont to any thing, we get ahead towards universal views. we find immense affection and love within us for every one, respect is embedded in love, so Amit, u can understand, many myths like the one u told about, don't apply on us provided we are in action. most of the times we are able to manage both the shades of the personality with no conflict, if we dont manage, we are like next guy on the road. My sun sign is Leo , these days i m little lazy. thanx for the suggestions and wishes !! regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Jai Gurudev <jgurudev@.. .> wrote: > > Phew!!.. > Lalit, what R U talking about?...... > this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & accept...... but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not gonna allow that is it....? > if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... > Pt. Sanjay Rathji...... .Whatshappening in this pious environment. ....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. > > i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@> wrote: > > > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > i m poor in this art. > > > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your posts... > > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to > delve > > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away > like > > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of your > > town........ > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > Chart !! > > > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested > to > > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an > animal. > > > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my > relatives, > > i > > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he occupied > a > > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk > to > > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to serve > > maa > > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin and > > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., i > > have > > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, > they > > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured > me > > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, it's > > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, > what > > is > > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told > to > > me > > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > > himself > > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > > before > > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if > she > > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > > group. > > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > > and pls > > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the > annihilation > > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > > ones .Evn > > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > > parasurama > > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > > tantra > > > and > > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > > maximum > > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can even > > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > > remedies .And > > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > > prathikara > > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is > very > > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not even > > > think > > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > > her....Spirits > > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their > softcore, > > > they > > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, and > > when > > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will get > > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! We > > have > > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > > peace.....May > > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane and > > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely > calm > > the > > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons who > do > > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > > Kaartikeyaa, > > > one > > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > > Raamaayana > > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > > spirits. > > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons > will > > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in > peace > > > and > > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace by > > these > > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > > count > > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we > want > > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. > Honour > > > your > > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts (sarees, > > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you > succeed > > in > > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > > auspicious > > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most > members > > > here > > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > > greatness > > > of > > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take time > > out > > > to > > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > > saying it > > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > > backlash > > > will > > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine > what > > it > > > can > > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; the > > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > > trying > > > to > > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. But > > love > > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > > request > > > > > will! > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > > prashna > > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger sister's > > dream > > > > > who > > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only > objective > > > is to > > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she is > a > > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next person, > > and > > > i > > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > > unbelievable > > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can give > a > > > dream, > > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their > prashna > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two ways > > > either > > > > > to > > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha baadha > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever > stand > > any > > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > > trouble > > > > > you > > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > > devotion to > > > > > > God > > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > > shaastraas, > > > > > and > > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > > personalities > > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > > (Actually > > > > > > the > > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > > believer, > > > or > > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these entities > > gain > > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from > dharma, > > > and so > > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person > who > > is > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily > without > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > > Maarga > > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > > understand > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > > Devil " in > > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > > knowledge > > > > > > of > > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can > cross > > > check > > > > > > the > > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > > improper > > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > > Baadha > > > in > > > > > > most > > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good teacher > is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects > under a > > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read and > > learn > > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book in > > > > > English > > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary > positions > > in > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the member > > > Lalith > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by email; > > and > > > > > email > > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer > them > > > back > > > > > as > > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or counselling > > > session. > > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > > counselling > > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows that. > > > Somehow > > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help it, > > and > > > I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. > with > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > > REASONS I > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > > HIM....He > > > > > is > > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when he > > > wrote > > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > > unprofessional; > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > > write " I > > > am > > > > > too > > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . > This > > is > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to him. > > You > > > are > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > > Thanks > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which > has > > > got > > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier birth. > > > That is > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly visit, > > > exorcism > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we cannot > > help > > > > > him > > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > > possibly > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his > frustration. > > > Again, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > > according > > > to > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. I > had > > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted the > > > frequent > > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > > WHAT > > > THE > > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am a > > > human > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies > are > > > only > > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to > hear > > > our > > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > > potential > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid predicting > > > events > > > > > for > > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is wrong > and > > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the case, > > if > > > the > > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at > this > > > point > > > > > of > > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > > negative. > > > But, > > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the > thing > > > could > > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > > situation. > > > So, > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > > perform > > > the > > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > > later > > > > > check > > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > > produced > > > any > > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the bitter > > turn > > > of > > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to do > the > > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > > sumangali > > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas > did > > > not > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder why > he > > > still > > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about > me. > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best of > my > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; nor > > do I > > > > > have > > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > > I > > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > > claim > > > he > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! This > > is a > > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he is > a > > > VVIP, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > > list. > > > So, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you > faggot? > > > Does > > > > > he > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting > your > > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in > reply. > > You > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You > idiot > > > have > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he > has > > > hinted > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > > changed > > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person who > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > > astrologers > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has made > > one! > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and > depicting > > as > > > if > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope in > > your > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have > seen > > any > > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been > at > > a > > > loss > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer when > he > > is > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is > really > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > > would > > > have > > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and > known > > > what > > > > > is > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > > enquiring > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > > Panditji > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are > accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i > did, > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > > full > > > of > > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to > me, > > I > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m criminal. > > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful knowledge > to > > > blame > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have not > > said > > > a > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I have > > > posted > > > > > my > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at > Rewa > > > (M.P) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing to > > any > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault > coz > > the > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone > and > > i > > > > > have > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > > compromised > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > > informed > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, but > i > > > said, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what he > > > didnt, > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of > previous > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell > same, > > but > > > > > when > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and said > > he > > > has > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > > important > > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to give > > this > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > > complaining > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he > didn't > > > tell > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he doesnt > > > want. I > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the group > > > without > > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same > time, > > he > > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > > techniques in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same > thing > > > and on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did that - > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > > respect. > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should call > u > > > idiot. > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > > knowledge to > > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or Vedic > > > > > Granthas, > > > > > > U > > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of > taking > > the > > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m > sharing > > > > > > openly, > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if a > > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya > and > > > can u > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was > craving > > > whole > > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > > spirits > > > > > but > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had > already > > > > > found > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had suggested > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A > person > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > > shocking > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very > subtle. > > In > > > > > fact > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of previous > > > lives " > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > > apparition. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; > and > > > see > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > > projects > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, my > > > > > friend, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with all > > your > > > > > lies > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who > never > > > tells > > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you > claim > > > Lord > > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > > really > > > had > > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > > knowledge " ; > > > > > but > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > > classified > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one > for > > > you; > > > > > but > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > > judgment > > > > > over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did > tapasya > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to > search > > at > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > > competent > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of the > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of > knowledge > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " means " welfare > > > comes > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > > shastraic > > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze > things > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and > not > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. > You > > > see, > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > > qualified > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > > calamities, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of good > > > > > persons > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects of > > > mockery > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me > angry " ...what > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or > even > > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and are > > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you > may > > be > > > put > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, schizoid > > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > > written > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > > unchallenged > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - a > > noble > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > > considered > > > > > > as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > > nothing > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me > an " idiot " > > or > > > > > even > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > > him; > > > but > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > > Panditji > > > has > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " litsol " > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > > ego... > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. > Abhishek, > > > while > > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, how > > much > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins > with 'P', > > > one is > > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man > > who > > > is > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the > > > truth > > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted > me > > > after > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 > > yrs > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > > thought > > > > > this > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not > to > > > > > contact > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off > cource, > > > she > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big > > > place > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > > communication > > > was > > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have > not > > > seen > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart > > > skills > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and > the > > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt > > bad > > > > > about > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's > prashna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false introduction > > like > > > > > She > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and > about > > to > > > > > visit > > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she > refered > > > to me > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya he > > > already > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He > didn't > > > > > belong > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > > spoil > > > her > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > > meaning > > > of > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once > > what > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my > > daily > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got > > > divine > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him > for > > > help, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what > > > happens > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > > Reliance > > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > > reconcilation > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As Priya > > told > > > to > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact > her, > > I > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions but > > here > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl mail > to > > > > > Priya, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me > both > > > were > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of > my > > > region > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted > in > > the > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to this > > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could do, > > all > > > was > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend > of > > me > > > was > > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with > all > > my > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i > help > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And the > > > Priya > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of > showing a > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I > > dont > > > > > know > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the > gap > > in > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch with > > > her, or > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and where > she > > > > > lives > > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > > look > > > down > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, what > i > > > found > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with > a > > > BPO, > > > > > she > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in > Bombay, > > She > > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my > mails > > to > > > HR > > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO > priya, > > i > > > also > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya whom > i > > was > > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > > skills > > > more > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong > and > > u > > > > > have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to > > let u > > > > > know > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > > arrogance > > > > > and > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do in > > near > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on this > > > Priya's > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I > w'd > > be > > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and > > if > > > she > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > > establishing a > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I w'd > pay > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask u > > what > > > u > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit > ji > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, > but > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the > > > previous > > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he > > didnt > > > > > tell > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about the > > > spirti's > > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i > was > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not > > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request > > Mr. > > > > > Rafal > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > > pain, > > > I > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > > photograpgh > > > > > that > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i discovered > in > > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and the > > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me would > > not > > > have > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, > mimamsa,nruktam > > > and > > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras > or > > > the 64 > > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but > are > > > > > trying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge and > > great > > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a > > full > > > > > life > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > > children. > > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know > > > because > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe > forum...I > > > think > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance and > > > idiocy > > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > > then > > > what > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get > heart- > > > broken > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed > to > > the > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not entertain > > you > > > at > > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > > Priya/ > > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > > failures > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your > circle. > > I > > > can > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your own > > > > > versions > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure > you > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my words, > he > > > would > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > > decent > > > to > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying > this > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have > written. > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > > efficacy.Astrology > > > is a > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before predicting - > > but > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than > what > > > they > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is an > > > applied > > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory > tool > > > for > > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on the > > need > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > > etiquettes > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > > useless to > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > > will > > > it > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > > Guruji's > > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their weight > > in > > > gold > > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not > > try > > > to > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. If > > you > > > do > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > > Understand > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. > But, > > > stop > > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and > > need > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written volumes > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality is > > > those > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > > efficient > > > > > in > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than > those " researchers " . > > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through your > > mouth > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are you > > > eating > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same > way, > > > nature > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations have > > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed to > > suit > > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are not > > much > > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u > using > > > > > level > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 > times > > and > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with > any > > > one, > > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage > came > > > in my > > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of > them, > > > ok, > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand > informed > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > > prashan > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as > no > > > brak > > > > > up > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, > > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > > that's > > > why > > > > > i > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted > in > > > group, > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more > than > > > happy > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > > from > > > u, I > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > > having > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider > > such > > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a > > nice > > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > > little > > > > > good > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > > difficult, i > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > > about > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly > > > protray > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and > > > other > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > the > > > Vedas > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > try > > to > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > > Engineering > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > > science > > > > > is > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he > > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > > privacy...when > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > > think > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who > think > > > the > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > > recording > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great > > Man > > > your > > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > > want > > > from > > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything > except > > > > > service > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > > payment > > > to > > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because > you > > > asked > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something > silly > > > like > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > > Panditji! > > > > > You > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things > as > > if > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > > arguments > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are > > > asking > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > and > > > other > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > > the > > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > > try > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see > > what > > > > > sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what > > all > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > > Lady - > > > and > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of > > you > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish > in > > > your > > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > > running > > > > > away > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > > post - > > > > > but > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you > > > outright > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages > > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected > > your > > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga > (preeti, > > > Priya, > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the right > > > name - > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know > > > > > nothing > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the > name > > > and > > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer > is > > > > > capable > > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like > > > this - > > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > > counselled > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are > > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is > genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have > the > > > > > right > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you > > > want! I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do > not > > > have > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is > > very > > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of > that > > > great > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > > like > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and > clients > > all > > > > > over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever > have > > > time > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your > > post > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > > helping > > > out > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate much > > and > > > > > tries > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own > > good. > > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great fields > > like > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are > no > > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > > documented > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > > begane, > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > > refused > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for > the > > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at least a > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > > recommened a > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to > > tell > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of > > > charts > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > > explanations , > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and > it > > was > > > > > said > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > > conclude > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in the > > > group. > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > > confusion > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > > discuss > > > it > > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments > > > through > > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri > K.N. > > Rao > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters > via > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in- > > > person > > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and > causes > > > more > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private > > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > > private > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at > ur > > > end, > > > > > if > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, > how > > i m > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of > not > > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is > > > > > realized > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into > > > deciding > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping > in > > my > > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is > > key > > > to > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of > ur > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > > pity > > > that > > > > > u > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the > same > > > time, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can > post > > ur > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, > > and > > > not > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of > > > giving > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient > knowledge > > has > > > > > come > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some > > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect > is > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u > for > > the > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i > will > > > have > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > > dealings. > > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > > prediction > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his > horoscope > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed > marital > > > > > delays > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > > experienced. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha > baadha " > > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in > the > > > > > > family). > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not > wanting > > to > > > > > > scare > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged > > the > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > > counteract > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > > events > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from > > that > > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken > > that > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the > > > entity > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and > so > > it > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and > also > > > based > > > > > on > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had > > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb > 2008 > > > or in > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are > > > quite > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many > > > > > factors > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities > and > > had > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > > happen > > > in > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting > attitude > > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the > > > > > marriage > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been > persisting > > > about > > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > > hints > > > > > about > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he > > > insists > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete > details > > to > > > > > him, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that > > > > > prashna > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > > techniques > > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading > > too > > > much > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > > infact > > > it > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is > > > getting > > > > > at > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > > patience's > > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one > > > person > > > > > how > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this > member > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I > have > > > acted > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange > > > between > > > > > us > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are > knowledgeable > > in > > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the > > > person > > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > > telling > > > him > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the > best > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > > maintaining > > > the > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > > inauspicious! I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; > > > hiding > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like > > > accusing > > > > > > me > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; > I > > am > > > > > > acting > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > > imputing > > > > > > motives > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this > what > > an > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > -- > > ----- > > > ---- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name > of > > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go > out > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to > > > hide? > > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > > practising > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was > denied > > > > > because > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " > in > > > the > > > > > VA > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > > members > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > > Garga > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > > withholding > > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > > taking > > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > > handling > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > > accusing > > > me > > > > > of > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > > something > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - > I > > > have > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list > so > > > that > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have > > > failed > > > > > in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to > > you > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the > > > other I > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional > approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I > w'd > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to > keep > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share > important > > > > > charts, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > > without > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's > end > > > and u > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hare ramakrishna, dear amit ji , pls if some one cannot take your offer then leave him alone dont take too much personal and force some body into some thing .Its our ego also .. Pls and i dont & will not answer any further mails to u on this subjuct. Pls leave it here and now .Let us come back to our learning or helping others. good bless you regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/ <http://www.indiamart.com/Vedic Astrology/> pt.sunilnair <pt.sunilnair vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > if with free will............. > dont talk duality............... > if with maa............. > dont talk about spirits............... > > Choose one and have a discussion............. > > > > litsol mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Friday, August 3, 2007 2:23:36 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > Hi Amit and Jai Gurudev, > > The one who one's tastes the love of divine mother, never be blocked > by anything, coz, what will exist to block him, everywhere, only maa > playes. > > while in world, we people have dual personality within us, the one is > not involved in any thing from the core of the heart, but when we > have to act for some thing, there is no icon, nothing challanging for > us. we are rough, sensitive, emotionally weak many times, sharp in > action and n'joy independance of thoughts. > > we are not part of any school of thoughts, we dont to any > thing, we get ahead towards universal views. > > we find immense affection and love within us for every one, respect > is embedded in love, so Amit, u can understand, many myths like the > one u told about, don't apply on us provided we are in action. > > most of the times we are able to manage both the shades of the > personality with no conflict, if we dont manage, we are like next guy > on the road. My sun sign is Leo , these days i m little lazy. > > thanx for the suggestions and wishes !! > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, Jai Gurudev jgurudev@ .> > wrote: > > > > Phew!!.. > > Lalit, what R U talking about?...... > > this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & > accept...... but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not > gonna allow that is it....? > > if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... > > Pt. Sanjay Rathji...... .Whatshappening in this pious > environment. ....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. > > > > i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@> wrote: > > > > > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > Chart !! > > > > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > > > i m poor in this art. > > > > > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your > posts... > > > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to > > delve > > > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away > > like > > > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of > your > > > town........ > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > > Chart !! > > > > > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested > > to > > > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an > > animal. > > > > > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my > > relatives, > > > i > > > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he > occupied > > a > > > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk > > to > > > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to > serve > > > maa > > > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin > and > > > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., > i > > > have > > > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, > > they > > > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured > > me > > > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, > it's > > > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, > > what > > > is > > > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told > > to > > > me > > > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > > > himself > > > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > > > before > > > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if > > she > > > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > > > group. > > > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > > > and pls > > > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the > > annihilation > > > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > > > ones .Evn > > > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > > > parasurama > > > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > > > tantra > > > > and > > > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > > > maximum > > > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can > even > > > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > > > remedies .And > > > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > > > prathikara > > > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is > > very > > > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not > even > > > > think > > > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > > > her....Spirits > > > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their > > softcore, > > > > they > > > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, > and > > > when > > > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will > get > > > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! > We > > > have > > > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > > > peace.....May > > > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane > and > > > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely > > calm > > > the > > > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons > who > > do > > > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > > > Kaartikeyaa, > > > > one > > > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > > > Raamaayana > > > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > > > spirits. > > > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons > > will > > > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in > > peace > > > > and > > > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace > by > > > these > > > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > > > count > > > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we > > want > > > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. > > Honour > > > > your > > > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts > (sarees, > > > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you > > succeed > > > in > > > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > > > auspicious > > > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most > > members > > > > here > > > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > > > greatness > > > > of > > > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take > time > > > out > > > > to > > > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > > > saying it > > > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > > > backlash > > > > will > > > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine > > what > > > it > > > > can > > > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; > the > > > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. > But > > > love > > > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > > > request > > > > > > will! > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger > sister's > > > dream > > > > > > who > > > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only > > objective > > > > is to > > > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she > is > > a > > > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next > person, > > > and > > > > i > > > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > > > unbelievable > > > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can > give > > a > > > > dream, > > > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their > > prashna > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two > ways > > > > either > > > > > > to > > > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha > baadha > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever > > stand > > > any > > > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > > > trouble > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > > > devotion to > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > > > shaastraas, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > > > personalities > > > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > > > (Actually > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > > > believer, > > > > or > > > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these > entities > > > gain > > > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from > > dharma, > > > > and so > > > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person > > who > > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily > > without > > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > > > Maarga > > > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > > > understand > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > > > Devil " in > > > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can > > cross > > > > check > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > > > improper > > > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > > > Baadha > > > > in > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good > teacher > > is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects > > under a > > > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read > and > > > learn > > > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book > in > > > > > > English > > > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary > > positions > > > in > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the > member > > > > Lalith > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by > email; > > > and > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer > > them > > > > back > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or > counselling > > > > session. > > > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > > > counselling > > > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows > that. > > > > Somehow > > > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help > it, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. > > with > > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > > > REASONS I > > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > > > HIM....He > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when > he > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > > > unprofessional; > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > > > write " I > > > > am > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . > > This > > > is > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to > him. > > > You > > > > are > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > > > Thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which > > has > > > > got > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier > birth. > > > > That is > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly > visit, > > > > exorcism > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we > cannot > > > help > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > > > possibly > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his > > frustration. > > > > Again, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > > > according > > > > to > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. > I > > had > > > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted > the > > > > frequent > > > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > > > WHAT > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am > a > > > > human > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies > > are > > > > only > > > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to > > hear > > > > our > > > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > > > potential > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid > predicting > > > > events > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is > wrong > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the > case, > > > if > > > > the > > > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at > > this > > > > point > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > > > negative. > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the > > thing > > > > could > > > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > > > situation. > > > > So, > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > > > perform > > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > > > later > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > > > produced > > > > any > > > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the > bitter > > > turn > > > > of > > > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to > do > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > > > sumangali > > > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas > > did > > > > not > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder > why > > he > > > > still > > > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about > > me. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best > of > > my > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; > nor > > > do I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > > > claim > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! > This > > > is a > > > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he > is > > a > > > > VVIP, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > > > list. > > > > So, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you > > faggot? > > > > Does > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting > > your > > > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in > > reply. > > > You > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You > > idiot > > > > have > > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he > > has > > > > hinted > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > > > changed > > > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person > who > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has > made > > > one! > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and > > depicting > > > as > > > > if > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope > in > > > your > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have > > seen > > > any > > > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been > > at > > > a > > > > loss > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer > when > > he > > > is > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is > > really > > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > > > would > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and > > known > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > > > enquiring > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are > > accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > > > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i > > did, > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > > > full > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to > > me, > > > I > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m > criminal. > > > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful > knowledge > > to > > > > blame > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have > not > > > said > > > > a > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I > have > > > > posted > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at > > Rewa > > > > (M.P) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing > to > > > any > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault > > coz > > > the > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone > > and > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > > > compromised > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > > > informed > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, > but > > i > > > > said, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what > he > > > > didnt, > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of > > previous > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell > > same, > > > but > > > > > > when > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and > said > > > he > > > > has > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to > give > > > this > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > > > complaining > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he > > didn't > > > > tell > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he > doesnt > > > > want. I > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the > group > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same > > time, > > > he > > > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > > > techniques in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same > > thing > > > > and on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did > that - > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should > call > > u > > > > idiot. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > > > knowledge to > > > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or > Vedic > > > > > > Granthas, > > > > > > > U > > > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of > > taking > > > the > > > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m > > sharing > > > > > > > openly, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if > a > > > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya > > and > > > > can u > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was > > craving > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > > > spirits > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had > > already > > > > > > found > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had > suggested > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A > > person > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > > > shocking > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very > > subtle. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of > previous > > > > lives " > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > > > apparition. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; > > and > > > > see > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > > > projects > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, > my > > > > > > friend, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with > all > > > your > > > > > > lies > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who > > never > > > > tells > > > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you > > claim > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > > > really > > > > had > > > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > > > knowledge " ; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > > > classified > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one > > for > > > > you; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > > > judgment > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did > > tapasya > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to > > search > > > at > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > > > competent > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of > the > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of > > knowledge > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " > means " welfare > > > > comes > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > > > shastraic > > > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze > > things > > > > with > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and > > not > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. > > You > > > > see, > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > > > qualified > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > > > calamities, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of > good > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects > of > > > > mockery > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me > > angry " ...what > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or > > even > > > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and > are > > > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you > > may > > > be > > > > put > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, > schizoid > > > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > > > written > > > > such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > > > unchallenged > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - > a > > > noble > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me > > an " idiot " > > > or > > > > > > even > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > > > him; > > > > but > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > > > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > > > ego... > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. > > Abhishek, > > > > while > > > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and > Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, > how > > > much > > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins > > with 'P', > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a > man > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept > the > > > > truth > > > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted > > me > > > > after > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and > 9 > > > yrs > > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > > > thought > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to > not > > to > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off > > cource, > > > > she > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a > big > > > > place > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > > > communication > > > > was > > > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have > > not > > > > seen > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan > chart > > > > skills > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and > > the > > > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and > felt > > > bad > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's > > prashna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false > introduction > > > like > > > > > > She > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and > > about > > > to > > > > > > visit > > > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she > > refered > > > > to me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya > he > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He > > didn't > > > > > > belong > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > > > spoil > > > > her > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > > > meaning > > > > of > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, > Once > > > what > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During > my > > > daily > > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have > got > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him > > for > > > > help, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, > what > > > > happens > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > > > Reliance > > > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > > > reconcilation > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As > Priya > > > told > > > > to > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact > > her, > > > I > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions > but > > > here > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl > mail > > to > > > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me > > both > > > > were > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of > > my > > > > region > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted > > in > > > the > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to > this > > > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could > do, > > > all > > > > was > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend > > of > > > me > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with > > all > > > my > > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i > > help > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And > the > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of > > showing a > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, > I > > > dont > > > > > > know > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the > > gap > > > in > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch > with > > > > her, or > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and > where > > she > > > > > > lives > > > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > > > look > > > > down > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, > what > > i > > > > found > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works > with > > a > > > > BPO, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in > > Bombay, > > > She > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my > > mails > > > to > > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO > > priya, > > > i > > > > also > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya > whom > > i > > > was > > > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > > > skills > > > > more > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong > > and > > > u > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted > to > > > let u > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > > > arrogance > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do > in > > > near > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on > this > > > > Priya's > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I > > w'd > > > be > > > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is > and > > > if > > > > she > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > > > establishing a > > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I > w'd > > pay > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask > u > > > what > > > > u > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to > Pandit > > ji > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, > > but > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of > the > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, > he > > > didnt > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about > the > > > > spirti's > > > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i > > was > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was > not > > > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd > request > > > Mr. > > > > > > Rafal > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > > > pain, > > > > I > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > > > photograpgh > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i > discovered > > in > > > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and > the > > > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me > would > > > not > > > > have > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, > > mimamsa,nruktam > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras > > or > > > > the 64 > > > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but > > are > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge > and > > > great > > > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived > a > > > full > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled > > > > children. > > > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not > know > > > > because > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe > > forum...I > > > > think > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance > and > > > > idiocy > > > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > > > then > > > > what > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get > > heart- > > > > broken > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed > > to > > > the > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not > entertain > > > you > > > > at > > > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > > > Priya/ > > > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > > > failures > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your > > circle. > > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your > own > > > > > > versions > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure > > you > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my > words, > > he > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > > > decent > > > > to > > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying > > this > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have > > written. > > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > > > efficacy.Astrology > > > > is a > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before > predicting - > > > but > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is > an > > > > applied > > > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory > > tool > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this > > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on > the > > > need > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > > > etiquettes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > > > useless to > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > > > > will > > > > it > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > > > Guruji's > > > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their > weight > > > in > > > > gold > > > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. > If > > > you > > > > do > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > > > Understand > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. > > But, > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology > and > > > need > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written > volumes > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality > is > > > > those > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > > > efficient > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than > > those " researchers " . > > > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through > your > > > mouth > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are > you > > > > eating > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same > > way, > > > > nature > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations > have > > > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed > to > > > suit > > > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are > not > > > much > > > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u > > using > > > > > > level > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 > > times > > > and > > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with > > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage > > came > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of > > them, > > > > ok, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand > > informed > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > > > prashan > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as > > no > > > > brak > > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even > started, > > > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > > > that's > > > > why > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted > > in > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more > > than > > > > happy > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > > > from > > > > u, I > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > > > having > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and > consider > > > such > > > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find > a > > > nice > > > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > > > little > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > > > difficult, i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > > > about > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also > clearly > > > > protray > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > > try > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > > > Engineering > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > > > science > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and > he > > > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > > > privacy...when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > > > think > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who > > think > > > > the > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > > > recording > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the > Great > > > Man > > > > your > > > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > > > want > > > > from > > > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything > > except > > > > > > service > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > > > payment > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because > > you > > > > asked > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something > > silly > > > > like > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > > > Panditji! > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things > > as > > > if > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > > > arguments > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You > are > > > > asking > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb > of > > > the > > > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all > this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to > see > > > what > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand > what > > > all > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > > > Lady - > > > > and > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun > of > > > you > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish > > in > > > > your > > > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > > > running > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > > > post - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected > you > > > > outright > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic > messages > > > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady > rejected > > > your > > > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga > > (preeti, > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the > right > > > > name - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I > know > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an > astrologer > > is > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing > like > > > > this - > > > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > > > counselled > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding > this....you > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you > are > > > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is > > genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you > have > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when > you > > > > want! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do > > not > > > > have > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he > is > > > very > > > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of > > that > > > > great > > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > > > like > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and > > clients > > > all > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever > > have > > > > time > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. > Your > > > post > > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > > > helping > > > > out > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate > much > > > and > > > > > > tries > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > > > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your > own > > > good. > > > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great > fields > > > like > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are > > no > > > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > > > documented > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > > > begane, > > > > when > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > > > refused > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for > > the > > > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at > least a > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > > > recommened a > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest > to > > > tell > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy > of > > > > charts > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > > > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > > > explanations , > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and > > it > > > was > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > > > conclude > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in > the > > > > group. > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > > > confusion > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > > > discuss > > > > it > > > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for > his > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental > ailments > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri > > K.N. > > > Rao > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious > matters > > via > > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, > in- > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and > > causes > > > > more > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a > private > > > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > > > private > > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at > > ur > > > > end, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, > > how > > > i m > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis > of > > not > > > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which > is > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r > into > > > > deciding > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for > keeping > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency > is > > > key > > > > to > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis > of > > ur > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > > > pity > > > > that > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the > > same > > > > time, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can > > post > > > ur > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I > was > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know > that, > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread > of > > > > giving > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient > > knowledge > > > has > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why > some > > > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur > respect > > is > > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u > > for > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > > > dealings. > > > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his > > horoscope > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed > > marital > > > > > > delays > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha > > baadha " > > > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness > in > > the > > > > > > > family). > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not > > wanting > > > to > > > > > > > scare > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not > divulged > > > the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > > > counteract > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to > be > > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > > > events > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations > from > > > that > > > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already > taken > > > that > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that > the > > > > entity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end > and > > so > > > it > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and > > also > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I > had > > > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb > > 2008 > > > > or in > > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences > are > > > > quite > > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so > many > > > > > > factors > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities > > and > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting > > attitude > > > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for > the > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been > > persisting > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > > > hints > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but > he > > > > insists > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete > > details > > > to > > > > > > him, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is > that > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > > > techniques > > > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into > reading > > > too > > > > much > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > > > infact > > > > it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and > is > > > > getting > > > > > > at > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > > > patience's > > > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with > one > > > > person > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this > > member > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > > > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I > > have > > > > acted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest > exchange > > > > between > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are > > knowledgeable > > > in > > > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is > the > > > > person > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > > > telling > > > > him > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the > > best > > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > > > maintaining > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > > > inauspicious! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding > something; > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost > like > > > > accusing > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my > professionalism; > > I > > > am > > > > > > > acting > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > > > imputing > > > > > > > motives > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this > > what > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > - > > -- > > > ----- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the > name > > of > > > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go > > out > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing > to > > > > hide? > > > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > > > practising > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to > that > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was > > denied > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post > that " technique " > > in > > > > the > > > > > > VA > > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > > > members > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > > > Garga > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > > > withholding > > > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > > > taking > > > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > > > handling > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > > > accusing > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > > > something > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one > thing - > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA > list > > so > > > > that > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I > have > > > > failed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful > to > > > you > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on > the > > > > other I > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional > > approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I > > w'd > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to > > keep > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share > > important > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's > > end > > > > and u > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hi Amit, duality is a fact, that can't be denied. spirit is a name givine to souls, we address them this way, so, dont have a conflict with soul and spirit. duality to singularity is the goal, that's why sadhanaa are done. free will and being free of thoughts, cults, sects is not one and same. one can have free will to do things for himself, but will be touching feet of another man if in odds. i have seen even those who takes wine, go for boozing parties, too, stop their car if a cat crosses their car. pls. dont co-relate, contemplate. and siddhis, what is a siddhi ? the kind of accomplisment done by a person, which is not done by other is seen as siddhi. look, in other coutries, they dont have siddhas like we do have, still they are doing good. think, why despite having so many god's and siddhas in india, we have been in slavery for thousand years. forget that u will get a siddhi by repeating a mantra for such and such times, mother blesses, unfolds her love if u become a good human being along with ur mantra. her love sometimes creates favorable co-incidences in ur life, that is misunderstood by people as siddhi, sometimes they can read or see with their developed senses which is not seen by others, mother's blessings develop their senses. in Durga Shaptshati it's written - " Gyaninamapi Chetanshi devi bhagvati he saa balaadakrishya mohaya mahamaya prachhati " \ means, Maa bgagvati, drags even those who are learned, knowledgable to maya, leads them towards misunderstanding, but same is not said for devotees. It's also there - " If i m pleased, i make a person intelligent in the moment he needs it " . Pls. take things in right perspective. I don't want to begin another discussion, it's enough. I wish to write about saints, i came across, let me make up my mind. regards, lalit. vedic astrology , Shindi <sinhazz wrote: > > if with free will............. > dont talk duality............... > if with maa............. > dont talk about spirits............... > > Choose one and have a discussion............. > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit > vedic astrology > Friday, August 3, 2007 2:23:36 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > Hi Amit and Jai Gurudev, > > The one who one's tastes the love of divine mother, never be blocked > by anything, coz, what will exist to block him, everywhere, only maa > playes. > > while in world, we people have dual personality within us, the one is > not involved in any thing from the core of the heart, but when we > have to act for some thing, there is no icon, nothing challanging for > us. we are rough, sensitive, emotionally weak many times, sharp in > action and n'joy independance of thoughts. > > we are not part of any school of thoughts, we dont to any > thing, we get ahead towards universal views. > > we find immense affection and love within us for every one, respect > is embedded in love, so Amit, u can understand, many myths like the > one u told about, don't apply on us provided we are in action. > > most of the times we are able to manage both the shades of the > personality with no conflict, if we dont manage, we are like next guy > on the road. My sun sign is Leo , these days i m little lazy. > > thanx for the suggestions and wishes !! > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, Jai Gurudev <jgurudev@ .> > wrote: > > > > Phew!!.. > > Lalit, what R U talking about?...... > > this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & > accept...... but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not > gonna allow that is it....? > > if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... > > Pt. Sanjay Rathji...... .Whatshappening in this pious > environment. ....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. > > > > i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@> wrote: > > > > > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > Chart !! > > > > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > > > i m poor in this art. > > > > > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your > posts... > > > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to > > delve > > > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away > > like > > > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of > your > > > town........ > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > > Chart !! > > > > > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested > > to > > > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an > > animal. > > > > > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my > > relatives, > > > i > > > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he > occupied > > a > > > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk > > to > > > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to > serve > > > maa > > > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin > and > > > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., > i > > > have > > > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, > > they > > > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured > > me > > > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, > it's > > > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, > > what > > > is > > > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told > > to > > > me > > > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > > > himself > > > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > > > before > > > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if > > she > > > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > > > group. > > > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > > > and pls > > > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the > > annihilation > > > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > > > ones .Evn > > > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > > > parasurama > > > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > > > tantra > > > > and > > > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > > > maximum > > > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can > even > > > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > > > remedies .And > > > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > > > prathikara > > > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is > > very > > > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not > even > > > > think > > > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > > > her....Spirits > > > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their > > softcore, > > > > they > > > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, > and > > > when > > > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will > get > > > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! > We > > > have > > > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > > > peace.....May > > > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane > and > > > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely > > calm > > > the > > > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons > who > > do > > > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > > > Kaartikeyaa, > > > > one > > > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > > > Raamaayana > > > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > > > spirits. > > > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons > > will > > > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in > > peace > > > > and > > > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace > by > > > these > > > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > > > count > > > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we > > want > > > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. > > Honour > > > > your > > > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts > (sarees, > > > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you > > succeed > > > in > > > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > > > auspicious > > > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most > > members > > > > here > > > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > > > greatness > > > > of > > > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take > time > > > out > > > > to > > > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > > > saying it > > > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > > > backlash > > > > will > > > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine > > what > > > it > > > > can > > > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; > the > > > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. > But > > > love > > > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > > > request > > > > > > will! > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger > sister's > > > dream > > > > > > who > > > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only > > objective > > > > is to > > > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she > is > > a > > > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next > person, > > > and > > > > i > > > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > > > unbelievable > > > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can > give > > a > > > > dream, > > > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their > > prashna > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two > ways > > > > either > > > > > > to > > > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha > baadha > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever > > stand > > > any > > > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > > > trouble > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > > > devotion to > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > > > shaastraas, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > > > personalities > > > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > > > (Actually > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > > > believer, > > > > or > > > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these > entities > > > gain > > > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from > > dharma, > > > > and so > > > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person > > who > > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily > > without > > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > > > Maarga > > > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > > > understand > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > > > Devil " in > > > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can > > cross > > > > check > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > > > improper > > > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > > > Baadha > > > > in > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good > teacher > > is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects > > under a > > > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read > and > > > learn > > > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book > in > > > > > > English > > > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary > > positions > > > in > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the > member > > > > Lalith > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by > email; > > > and > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer > > them > > > > back > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or > counselling > > > > session. > > > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > > > counselling > > > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows > that. > > > > Somehow > > > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help > it, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. > > with > > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > > > REASONS I > > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > > > HIM....He > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when > he > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > > > unprofessional; > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > > > write " I > > > > am > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . > > This > > > is > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to > him. > > > You > > > > are > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > > > Thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which > > has > > > > got > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier > birth. > > > > That is > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly > visit, > > > > exorcism > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we > cannot > > > help > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > > > possibly > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his > > frustration. > > > > Again, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > > > according > > > > to > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. > I > > had > > > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted > the > > > > frequent > > > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > > > WHAT > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am > a > > > > human > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies > > are > > > > only > > > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to > > hear > > > > our > > > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > > > potential > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid > predicting > > > > events > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is > wrong > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the > case, > > > if > > > > the > > > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at > > this > > > > point > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > > > negative. > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the > > thing > > > > could > > > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > > > situation. > > > > So, > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > > > perform > > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > > > later > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > > > produced > > > > any > > > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the > bitter > > > turn > > > > of > > > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to > do > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > > > sumangali > > > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas > > did > > > > not > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder > why > > he > > > > still > > > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about > > me. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best > of > > my > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; > nor > > > do I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > > > claim > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! > This > > > is a > > > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he > is > > a > > > > VVIP, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > > > list. > > > > So, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you > > faggot? > > > > Does > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting > > your > > > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in > > reply. > > > You > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You > > idiot > > > > have > > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he > > has > > > > hinted > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > > > changed > > > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person > who > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has > made > > > one! > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and > > depicting > > > as > > > > if > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope > in > > > your > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have > > seen > > > any > > > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been > > at > > > a > > > > loss > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer > when > > he > > > is > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is > > really > > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > > > would > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and > > known > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > > > enquiring > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are > > accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > > > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i > > did, > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > > > full > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to > > me, > > > I > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m > criminal. > > > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful > knowledge > > to > > > > blame > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have > not > > > said > > > > a > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I > have > > > > posted > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at > > Rewa > > > > (M.P) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing > to > > > any > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault > > coz > > > the > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone > > and > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > > > compromised > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > > > informed > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, > but > > i > > > > said, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what > he > > > > didnt, > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of > > previous > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell > > same, > > > but > > > > > > when > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and > said > > > he > > > > has > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to > give > > > this > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > > > complaining > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he > > didn't > > > > tell > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he > doesnt > > > > want. I > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the > group > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same > > time, > > > he > > > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > > > techniques in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same > > thing > > > > and on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did > that - > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should > call > > u > > > > idiot. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > > > knowledge to > > > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or > Vedic > > > > > > Granthas, > > > > > > > U > > > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of > > taking > > > the > > > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m > > sharing > > > > > > > openly, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if > a > > > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya > > and > > > > can u > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was > > craving > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > > > spirits > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had > > already > > > > > > found > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had > suggested > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A > > person > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > > > shocking > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very > > subtle. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of > previous > > > > lives " > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > > > apparition. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; > > and > > > > see > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > > > projects > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, > my > > > > > > friend, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with > all > > > your > > > > > > lies > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who > > never > > > > tells > > > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you > > claim > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > > > really > > > > had > > > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > > > knowledge " ; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > > > classified > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one > > for > > > > you; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > > > judgment > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did > > tapasya > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to > > search > > > at > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > > > competent > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of > the > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of > > knowledge > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " > means " welfare > > > > comes > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > > > shastraic > > > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze > > things > > > > with > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and > > not > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. > > You > > > > see, > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > > > qualified > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > > > calamities, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of > good > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects > of > > > > mockery > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me > > angry " ...what > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or > > even > > > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and > are > > > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you > > may > > > be > > > > put > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, > schizoid > > > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > > > written > > > > such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > > > unchallenged > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - > a > > > noble > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me > > an " idiot " > > > or > > > > > > even > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > > > him; > > > > but > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > > > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > > > ego... > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. > > Abhishek, > > > > while > > > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and > Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, > how > > > much > > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins > > with 'P', > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a > man > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept > the > > > > truth > > > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted > > me > > > > after > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and > 9 > > > yrs > > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > > > thought > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to > not > > to > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off > > cource, > > > > she > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a > big > > > > place > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > > > communication > > > > was > > > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have > > not > > > > seen > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan > chart > > > > skills > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and > > the > > > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and > felt > > > bad > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's > > prashna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false > introduction > > > like > > > > > > She > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and > > about > > > to > > > > > > visit > > > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she > > refered > > > > to me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya > he > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He > > didn't > > > > > > belong > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > > > spoil > > > > her > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > > > meaning > > > > of > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, > Once > > > what > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During > my > > > daily > > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have > got > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him > > for > > > > help, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, > what > > > > happens > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > > > Reliance > > > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > > > reconcilation > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As > Priya > > > told > > > > to > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact > > her, > > > I > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions > but > > > here > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl > mail > > to > > > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me > > both > > > > were > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of > > my > > > > region > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted > > in > > > the > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to > this > > > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could > do, > > > all > > > > was > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend > > of > > > me > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with > > all > > > my > > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i > > help > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And > the > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of > > showing a > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, > I > > > dont > > > > > > know > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the > > gap > > > in > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch > with > > > > her, or > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and > where > > she > > > > > > lives > > > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > > > look > > > > down > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, > what > > i > > > > found > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works > with > > a > > > > BPO, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in > > Bombay, > > > She > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my > > mails > > > to > > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO > > priya, > > > i > > > > also > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya > whom > > i > > > was > > > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > > > skills > > > > more > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong > > and > > > u > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted > to > > > let u > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > > > arrogance > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do > in > > > near > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on > this > > > > Priya's > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I > > w'd > > > be > > > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is > and > > > if > > > > she > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > > > establishing a > > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I > w'd > > pay > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask > u > > > what > > > > u > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to > Pandit > > ji > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, > > but > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of > the > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, > he > > > didnt > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about > the > > > > spirti's > > > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i > > was > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was > not > > > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd > request > > > Mr. > > > > > > Rafal > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > > > pain, > > > > I > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > > > photograpgh > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i > discovered > > in > > > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and > the > > > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me > would > > > not > > > > have > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, > > mimamsa,nruktam > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras > > or > > > > the 64 > > > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but > > are > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge > and > > > great > > > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived > a > > > full > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well- settled > > > > children. > > > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not > know > > > > because > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe > > forum...I > > > > think > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance > and > > > > idiocy > > > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > > > then > > > > what > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get > > heart- > > > > broken > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed > > to > > > the > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not > entertain > > > you > > > > at > > > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > > > Priya/ > > > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > > > failures > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your > > circle. > > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your > own > > > > > > versions > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure > > you > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my > words, > > he > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > > > decent > > > > to > > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying > > this > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have > > written. > > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > > > efficacy.Astrology > > > > is a > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before > predicting - > > > but > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is > an > > > > applied > > > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory > > tool > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this > > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on > the > > > need > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > > > etiquettes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > > > useless to > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > > > > will > > > > it > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > > > Guruji's > > > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their > weight > > > in > > > > gold > > > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. > If > > > you > > > > do > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > > > Understand > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. > > But, > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology > and > > > need > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written > volumes > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality > is > > > > those > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > > > efficient > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than > > those " researchers " . > > > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through > your > > > mouth > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are > you > > > > eating > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same > > way, > > > > nature > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations > have > > > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed > to > > > suit > > > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are > not > > > much > > > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u > > using > > > > > > level > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 > > times > > > and > > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with > > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage > > came > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of > > them, > > > > ok, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand > > informed > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > > > prashan > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as > > no > > > > brak > > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even > started, > > > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > > > that's > > > > why > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted > > in > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more > > than > > > > happy > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > > > from > > > > u, I > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > > > having > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and > consider > > > such > > > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find > a > > > nice > > > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > > > little > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > > > difficult, i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > > > about > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also > clearly > > > > protray > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > > try > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > > > Engineering > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > > > science > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and > he > > > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > > > privacy...when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > > > think > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who > > think > > > > the > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > > > recording > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the > Great > > > Man > > > > your > > > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > > > want > > > > from > > > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything > > except > > > > > > service > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > > > payment > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because > > you > > > > asked > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something > > silly > > > > like > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > > > Panditji! > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things > > as > > > if > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > > > arguments > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You > are > > > > asking > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb > of > > > the > > > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all > this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to > see > > > what > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand > what > > > all > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > > > Lady - > > > > and > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun > of > > > you > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish > > in > > > > your > > > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > > > running > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > > > post - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected > you > > > > outright > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic > messages > > > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady > rejected > > > your > > > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga > > (preeti, > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the > right > > > > name - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I > know > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an > astrologer > > is > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing > like > > > > this - > > > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > > > counselled > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding > this....you > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you > are > > > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is > > genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you > have > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when > you > > > > want! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do > > not > > > > have > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he > is > > > very > > > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of > > that > > > > great > > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > > > like > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and > > clients > > > all > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever > > have > > > > time > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. > Your > > > post > > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > > > helping > > > > out > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate > much > > > and > > > > > > tries > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > > > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your > own > > > good. > > > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great > fields > > > like > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are > > no > > > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > > > documented > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > > > begane, > > > > when > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > > > refused > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for > > the > > > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at > least a > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > > > recommened a > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest > to > > > tell > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy > of > > > > charts > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > > > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > > > explanations , > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and > > it > > > was > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > > > conclude > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in > the > > > > group. > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > > > confusion > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > > > discuss > > > > it > > > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for > his > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental > ailments > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri > > K.N. > > > Rao > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious > matters > > via > > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, > in- > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and > > causes > > > > more > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a > private > > > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > > > private > > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at > > ur > > > > end, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, > > how > > > i m > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis > of > > not > > > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which > is > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r > into > > > > deciding > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for > keeping > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency > is > > > key > > > > to > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis > of > > ur > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > > > pity > > > > that > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the > > same > > > > time, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can > > post > > > ur > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I > was > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know > that, > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread > of > > > > giving > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient > > knowledge > > > has > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why > some > > > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur > respect > > is > > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u > > for > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > > > dealings. > > > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his > > horoscope > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed > > marital > > > > > > delays > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha > > baadha " > > > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness > in > > the > > > > > > > family). > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not > > wanting > > > to > > > > > > > scare > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not > divulged > > > the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > > > counteract > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to > be > > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > > > events > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations > from > > > that > > > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already > taken > > > that > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that > the > > > > entity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end > and > > so > > > it > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and > > also > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I > had > > > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb > > 2008 > > > > or in > > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences > are > > > > quite > > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so > many > > > > > > factors > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities > > and > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting > > attitude > > > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for > the > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been > > persisting > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > > > hints > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but > he > > > > insists > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete > > details > > > to > > > > > > him, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is > that > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > > > techniques > > > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into > reading > > > too > > > > much > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > > > infact > > > > it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and > is > > > > getting > > > > > > at > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > > > patience's > > > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with > one > > > > person > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this > > member > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > > > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I > > have > > > > acted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest > exchange > > > > between > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are > > knowledgeable > > > in > > > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is > the > > > > person > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > > > telling > > > > him > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the > > best > > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > > > maintaining > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > > > inauspicious! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding > something; > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost > like > > > > accusing > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my > professionalism; > > I > > > am > > > > > > > acting > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > > > imputing > > > > > > > motives > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this > > what > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ------- -- > - > > -- > > > ----- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the > name > > of > > > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go > > out > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing > to > > > > hide? > > > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > > > practising > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to > that > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was > > denied > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post > that " technique " > > in > > > > the > > > > > > VA > > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > > > members > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > > > Garga > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > > > withholding > > > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > > > taking > > > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > > > handling > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > > > accusing > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > > > something > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one > thing - > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA > list > > so > > > > that > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I > have > > > > failed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful > to > > > you > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on > the > > > > other I > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional > > approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I > > w'd > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to > > keep > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > records. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Thanks litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 3:38:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! Hi Amit, duality is a fact, that can't be denied. spirit is a name givine to souls, we address them this way, so, dont have a conflict with soul and spirit. duality to singularity is the goal, that's why sadhanaa are done. free will and being free of thoughts, cults, sects is not one and same. one can have free will to do things for himself, but will be touching feet of another man if in odds. i have seen even those who takes wine, go for boozing parties, too, stop their car if a cat crosses their car. pls. dont co-relate, contemplate. and siddhis, what is a siddhi ? the kind of accomplisment done by a person, which is not done by other is seen as siddhi. look, in other coutries, they dont have siddhas like we do have, still they are doing good. think, why despite having so many god's and siddhas in india, we have been in slavery for thousand years. forget that u will get a siddhi by repeating a mantra for such and such times, mother blesses, unfolds her love if u become a good human being along with ur mantra. her love sometimes creates favorable co-incidences in ur life, that is misunderstood by people as siddhi, sometimes they can read or see with their developed senses which is not seen by others, mother's blessings develop their senses. in Durga Shaptshati it's written - " Gyaninamapi Chetanshi devi bhagvati he saa balaadakrishya mohaya mahamaya prachhati " \ means, Maa bgagvati, drags even those who are learned, knowledgable to maya, leads them towards misunderstanding, but same is not said for devotees. It's also there - " If i m pleased, i make a person intelligent in the moment he needs it " . Pls. take things in right perspective. I don't want to begin another discussion, it's enough. I wish to write about saints, i came across, let me make up my mind. regards, lalit. vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz > wrote: > > if with free will........ ..... > dont talk duality..... ......... . > if with maa......... .... > dont talk about spirits..... ......... . > > Choose one and have a discussion.. ......... .. > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > vedic astrology > Friday, August 3, 2007 2:23:36 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna Chart !! > > Hi Amit and Jai Gurudev, > > The one who one's tastes the love of divine mother, never be blocked > by anything, coz, what will exist to block him, everywhere, only maa > playes. > > while in world, we people have dual personality within us, the one is > not involved in any thing from the core of the heart, but when we > have to act for some thing, there is no icon, nothing challanging for > us. we are rough, sensitive, emotionally weak many times, sharp in > action and n'joy independance of thoughts. > > we are not part of any school of thoughts, we dont to any > thing, we get ahead towards universal views. > > we find immense affection and love within us for every one, respect > is embedded in love, so Amit, u can understand, many myths like the > one u told about, don't apply on us provided we are in action. > > most of the times we are able to manage both the shades of the > personality with no conflict, if we dont manage, we are like next guy > on the road. My sun sign is Leo , these days i m little lazy. > > thanx for the suggestions and wishes !! > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology, Jai Gurudev <jgurudev@ .> > wrote: > > > > Phew!!.. > > Lalit, what R U talking about?...... > > this guy is trying to help u subtly....why dont u understand & > accept...... but your spirit(the female thing which haunts you) is not > gonna allow that is it....? > > if ure implying otherwise, this is not the forum..... > > Pt. Sanjay Rathji...... .Whatshappening in this pious > environment. ....U gotta intervene guruji! & stop this.....please > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > No secondhand person i want, this is also a problem. > > > > i m still fresh and firsthand, untouched. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@> wrote: > > > > > > When required call me ...you will get all the rules... > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 6:49:48 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > Chart !! > > > > > > > > > Hi Amit, > > > > > > i m poor in this art. > > > > > > if someone is there, will try to keep u in memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Shindi <sinhazz@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lalit, > > > > > > > > Let me help you lalit....... ......... > > > > in terms of a sweet girl........ ....... > > > > > > > > Whatever I have guessed about your personality from your > posts... > > > > there is an advice for you......... ..... > > > > whenever u make a girl friend...... .......never ever try to > > delve > > > into arguemental discusions.. . otherwise the girl will fly away > > like > > > anything.... .. beacuse girls dont like their criticism... .ok > > > > > > > > Hope you will take this advice in a good sense...... > > > > > > > > Best of Luck for your pursuit....May u get the best girl of > your > > > town........ > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > Amit Sinha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ ...> > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:05:14 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: About The Spirit of Prashna > > Chart !! > > > > > > > > Resp Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > Thanx for the care and the guidance, I myself is not interested > > to > > > > curb a person be it spirit, soul, a jr. in my project or an > > animal. > > > > > > > > once, a (brahm rakschhasa) was disturbing a family of my > > relatives, > > > i > > > > visited that family during my leaves, what happened, he > occupied > > a > > > > person of that family and like mediums, he requested me to talk > > to > > > > family to either take him maihar temple, where he wanted to > serve > > > maa > > > > sharada, or to give a place by making a shrine for him. > > > > > > > > i was facing an unwanted problem, what to do ? then he started > > > > addressing me with " Son, u can understand me, i was a brahmin > and > > > > died after my yagyopaveetam, my gayatri didnt complete, etc.., > i > > > have > > > > been sleeping in this place for 200 yrs and doing my sadhana, > > they > > > > constructed their house here and i want peace now " . > > > > > > > > i thought if i m seeing a dream, further he blessed me, assured > > me > > > > for getting heights that i have never thought of, also said, > it's > > > > only because i was there, he decided to come befor. > > > > > > > > I thought, even if the medium may be suffering from hesteria, > > what > > > is > > > > harm to goto maihar. > > > > > > > > next day i requested to head of that family and we all went to > > > > maihar, but, the surprising fact was, the landmark that he told > > to > > > me > > > > was found there. since there is a question in my mind, why he > > > himself > > > > didn't go to maihar ? > > > > > > > > but this spirit seems different, very intelligent, doesnt come > > > before > > > > me, doent harm me, but acts on the next person, particularly if > > she > > > > is a girl. she keeps watching from the distance. > > > > > > > > I will follow what is suggested by you and other elders in the > > > group. > > > > thanx for the wishes. > > > > > > > > after all, i m waiting for someone sweet in life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna, > > > > > > > > > > dear lalitji . > > > > > > > > > > yes ,i also support the view of bhamasri punditji s views > > > > and pls > > > > > do as he prescribed .Even prashna maarga says so ,the > > annihilation > > > > > methods can be back fired esp in the hands of less trained > > > > ones .Evn > > > > > good brahmin tantriks from kerala who was ordained by lord > > > > parasurama > > > > > to look after these matters (as he ordered some families in > > > tantra > > > > and > > > > > some in astrology ,some in ayurveda like this --all sastras r > > > > > practised by some big families and their branches) are also > > > > maximum > > > > > pacifiying a spirit and let it go .Because the backlash can > even > > > > > distroy the tantrik family also many generations without > > > > remedies .And > > > > > annihilation is considered as last resort and they may go for > > > > prathikara > > > > > bali ,ghadga ravana bali like this fierce methods...which is > > very > > > > > expensive also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please make no attempt to " control " her....please do not > even > > > > think > > > > > > like that...violence begets violence! Try to pacify > > > her....Spirits > > > > > > are like rebellious children...if you can touch their > > softcore, > > > > they > > > > > > will do your bidding and leave you in peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why I recommended Sumangali Poojaa. The Blessings of > > > > > > Sumangaliis is like getting Blessing from Mother Herself, > and > > > when > > > > > > ladies are respected, all ladies including the spirit will > get > > > > > > pacified. Speak nice words as entreaties ..... " Oh Spirit! > We > > > have > > > > > > prayed for your peace also. May Divinities give you > > > peace.....May > > > > > > you be free from your unnecessary attachment to this plane > and > > > > > > transmigrate to other planes as per your karma. Please go in > > > > > > peace.....Peace be everywhere " . > > > > > > > > > > > > The presence of a saintly or noble person will definitely > > calm > > > the > > > > > > spirit. Spirits usually respect Divine Persons or persons > who > > do > > > > > > Poojaas. Any upaasakaa of Kaali maa, Hanumaan, Lord > > > Kaartikeyaa, > > > > one > > > > > > who does regular Shiva Panchaayatana Pooja, one who reads > > > > Raamaayana > > > > > > regularly, etc. are qualified persons to make treaties with > > > > spirits. > > > > > > The spirits won't even manifest before them. These persons > > will > > > > > > speak softly requesting the spirit to leave the family in > > peace > > > > and > > > > > > also Bless it to attain peace. It will leave you in peace > by > > > these > > > > > > measures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please keep chanting the mantra that I suggested as per the > > > count > > > > > > (when we do out of devotion, there is no count; but when we > > want > > > > > > results, counts are necessary. Please do not analyze this > > > > > > further.). Arrange for Sumangali Pooja to be performed. > > Honour > > > > your > > > > > > sister and aunts as the recipients of the main gifts > (sarees, > > > > > > bangles, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > By Divine Grace you can overcome the influence. If you > > succeed > > > in > > > > > > this, there will be no more issues or unnecessary delay of > > > > auspicious > > > > > > events in your life. May God Bless you. I am sure most > > members > > > > here > > > > > > will pray for the success of your remedies (That is the > > > greatness > > > > of > > > > > > groups like these; we all have our problems, yet we take > time > > > out > > > > to > > > > > > pray for each other!) > > > > > > > > > > > > I repeat....please do not attempt to control it....I am not > > > > saying it > > > > > > is not possible; but, in that attempt, if it fails, the > > > backlash > > > > will > > > > > > be severe and of a magnitude that you will hardly imagine > > what > > > it > > > > can > > > > > > be! In trying to pacify it, there will be no side effects; > the > > > > > > spirit will get pacified with time seeing that you are not > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > challenge it or control it. Spirits are highly egoistic. > But > > > love > > > > > > is very powerful. What a command cannot achieve, a simple > > > request > > > > > > will! > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " litsol " > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me share with u, the spirit which was referred to in > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart has revealed itself, she came in my younger > sister's > > > dream > > > > > > who > > > > > > > lives 900 kms away from me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, at least we know her and as she said, her only > > objective > > > > is to > > > > > > > disturb me by changing other's mind, particualrly is she > is > > a > > > > girl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as she doesn't harm me directly rather affects next > person, > > > and > > > > i > > > > > > > have never seen her or realized her existance, it's all > > > > > > unbelievable > > > > > > > for me to understand, but if she is there and she can > give > > a > > > > dream, > > > > > > > she exists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group's astrologers and panditji were right in their > > prashna > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how to tackle this interesting episode, two > ways > > > > either > > > > > > to > > > > > > > pacify her or to control her, how ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anitaji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is best not to dwelve too deeply into Paisacha > baadha > > and > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > negatives. The remedy is simple - no entity can ever > > stand > > > any > > > > > > > > chance against a true devotee of God. Though it might > > > trouble > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > for some time due to your own karmaa, ultimately your > > > > devotion to > > > > > > > God > > > > > > > > will win. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are saatwik by nature, those who respect > > > shaastraas, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > those who are respectfully disposed towards saintly > > > > personalities > > > > > > > > will sooner or later stumble upon the cure for these. > > > > (Actually > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > influence of these deities can turn one into a non- > > > believer, > > > > or > > > > > > > > worse....an abuser of hallowed traditions; these > entities > > > gain > > > > > > > > strength to torment a person only if he falls from > > dharma, > > > > and so > > > > > > > > they will impel him/her towards adharmic acts; a person > > who > > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > ethical will hence shake off those influences easily > > without > > > > > > > recourse > > > > > > > > to any magical remedies). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you still wish to know about these matters, Prashna > > > Maarga > > > > > > > > translated by Shri. B.V.Raaman can be a good work to > > > > understand > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > However, please be warned, that I have found " Printer's > > > > Devil " in > > > > > > > > some chapters, and it is not best if you have a working > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > sanskrit while reading Prashna Maarga so that you can > > cross > > > > check > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > concepts from original source. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assessing Paisaacha Baadha is a specialist work, and > > > improper > > > > > > > > understanding of that might make you read a Paisaacha > > > Baadha > > > > in > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > horoscopes and get confused unnecessarily. A good > teacher > > is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > million books; please learn these sensitive subjects > > under a > > > > > > > > trustworthy spiritual person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, anita anita > > > > > > > > <purple_currency_ white@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Pandit-ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please recommend a book where I can read > and > > > learn > > > > > > > > about Paisacha Baadha and other karmic effects? A book > in > > > > > > English > > > > > > > > which explains karma in detail and the planetary > > positions > > > in > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > for things like Paisacha Baadha would be ideal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will just represent these facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) I did refuse to share my mobile no. with the > member > > > > Lalith > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > as I do with everyone. I am always accessible by > email; > > > and > > > > > > email > > > > > > > > > exchanges are convenient to me because I can answer > > them > > > > back > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > soon as I am free after a pooja session or > counselling > > > > session. > > > > > > > > > Getting a phone call in the midst of a pooja or a > > > > counselling > > > > > > > > > disturbs me. Everyone who has moved with me knows > that. > > > > Somehow > > > > > > > > > Shri. Lalith got offended by that. I could not help > it, > > > and > > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > intend to change my stance of not sharing mobile nos. > > with > > > > > > anyone. > > > > > > > > > I DID REFUSE TO SHARE THE PRASHNA CHART WITH HIM FOR > > > > REASONS I > > > > > > > HAVE > > > > > > > > > STATED BEFORE AND WHICH RAFALJI HAS ALSO POINTED OUT > > > > CORRECTLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) I NEVER CLAIMED I AM A VVIP IN ANY OF MY MAILS TO > > > > HIM....He > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > probably exaggerating it in his anger. However, when > he > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > lecturistic mails saying things like " You are > > > > unprofessional; > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are hiding something, it is not fair " , etc. I did > > > write " I > > > > am > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > senior to be taking advices from novices like you " . > > This > > > is > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > > (or something similar in meaning) what I wrote to > him. > > > You > > > > are > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > in saying that I would not have written like that... > > > Thanks > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > trust in me and my nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Honestly, I did identify the Paisacha Baadha which > > has > > > > got > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with his own maltreatment of his wife of earlier > birth. > > > > That is > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > I said it was karmic. If it is a simple ghostly > visit, > > > > exorcism > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not difficult; but when his karma intervenes, we > cannot > > > help > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > unless his attitude changes and he " accepts " he has > > > possibly > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > wrong somewhere and that is the root of his > > frustration. > > > > Again, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is not able to digest that he will not get a wife > > > according > > > > to > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > expectations. That was the real root of the problem. > I > > had > > > > > > > > > categorically told him that which is what prompted > the > > > > frequent > > > > > > > > > mails between us. CAN THE ASTROLOGER PLAY GOD AND SAY > > > WHAT > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > CLIENT WISHES TO HEAR? I do not believe in that. I am > a > > > > human > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > normal human limitations, and I belive even remedies > > are > > > > only > > > > > > > > humble > > > > > > > > > Mercy Petitions and it is up to Divine Providence to > > hear > > > > our > > > > > > > pleas > > > > > > > > > and consider our requests favourably. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) I believe Fate is dynamic and remedies do have the > > > > potential > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > change Fate. It is customary of me to avoid > predicting > > > > events > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > which I have given remedies for this simple > > > > reason.....Remedies > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > given ONLY when the astrologer sees something is > wrong > > and > > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > some hope to redeem the situation. That being the > case, > > > if > > > > the > > > > > > > > > client insists on a technically correct analysis at > > this > > > > point > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > time - then the prediction should necessarily be > > > negative. > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > then what about the remedies? If they succeed, the > > thing > > > > could > > > > > > > > > change! Now, what can the astrologer say in this > > > situation. > > > > So, > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > usual request to clients in such a situation is to > > > perform > > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies and get back to me after certain period, and > > > later > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > with a prashna to see if the remedies have infact > > > produced > > > > any > > > > > > > > > desirable alteration in Fate. Somehow, the member has > > > > > > > misunderstood > > > > > > > > > the dynamics of this and possibly even my motives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) He wrote to me yesterday apologizing for the > bitter > > > turn > > > > of > > > > > > > > > events, and I have Blessed him and requested him to > do > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies. Even today, he asked for guidance about the > > > > sumangali > > > > > > > > > pooja because it seems the Vedic Pandits in his areas > > did > > > > not > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > it. I have detailed the procedure to him. I wonder > why > > he > > > > still > > > > > > > > > harps on the matter sharing things uncharitably about > > me. > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been providing him support and guidance to the best > of > > my > > > > > > > abilities > > > > > > > > > and if he still misunderstands me, I can't help it; > nor > > > do I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > the time to brood on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please for the benefit of the forum, let us end this > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Shri Lalith is not willing to end the matter, > > > > Mohanraaamji - > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > implore you ....you at least end this exchange with > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you post in the forum Panditji's mail where you > > > claim > > > > he > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > written he is a VVIP? This must be a blatant lie. > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji is not one to write like that! > This > > > is a > > > > > > > > > blatant > > > > > > > > > > lie! I am sure. If Panditji has really claimed he > is > > a > > > > VVIP, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will take back all that I have written to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has never given his phone no. to anyone in this > > > list. > > > > So, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > special previlege do you think you have got you > > faggot? > > > > Does > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have a right for his own privacy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What will happen to his sanity if he starts getting > > your > > > > > > > idiotic > > > > > > > > > > phone calls on top of your stupid mails? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He would have repeatedly written to you only in > > reply. > > > You > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > have pestered him and he would have replied. You > > idiot > > > > have > > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > > to understand the decency of an astrologer when he > > has > > > > hinted > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > your problems diplomatically, and now you claim " he > > > > changed > > > > > > > > lines " > > > > > > > > > > as if he is a cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know how long you are associated with this > > > > > > > > > group....... Ask > > > > > > > > > > any forum member here whether Panditji is a person > who > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > tack > > > > > > > > > > like that. In fact he is one of the more honest > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > admits that he has made a mistake if ever he has > made > > > one! > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are almost putting words into his mouth, and > > depicting > > > as > > > > if > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > failed in his predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth to be told, Panditji would have felt no hope > in > > > your > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > unless you change yourself; and he would not have > > seen > > > any > > > > > > > > > > possibility for that also. Hence he would have been > > at > > > a > > > > loss > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > words as to what to do. Collaring an astrologer > when > > he > > > is > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > to soothen you with some hopeful predictions is > > really > > > > rude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is too senior and respected; otherwise, I > > > would > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > written to him directly regarding this matter and > > known > > > > what > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > this......But, believing an idiot like you and > > > enquiring > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > senior astrologer is not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again challenge you......show us the mail where > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > claimed > > > > > > > > > > hs is VVIP......You liar.....know whom you are > > accusing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam.- - In vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What to say u old man, U have lost power to > > > understand : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gave him my own resume, all my projects that i > > did, > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have all rights to call u " Idiot " . U r too > > > full > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > urself, A > > > > > > > > > > > blind man with heap of false EGO,what happened to > > me, > > > I > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > > > with u > > > > > > > > > > > and all, still u see, i m telling lies, m > criminal. > > > > > > > Constantly > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > > advancing with ur poor logic and handful > knowledge > > to > > > > blame > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you are here to advocate pandit ji, I have > not > > > said > > > > a > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > word > > > > > > > > > > > against him and u are abusing me constantly, I > have > > > > posted > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > details in the group: - 17 -08-1972, 08:15 PM at > > Rewa > > > > (M.P) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji, if u r using that to tell there is some > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > > > not a strange for a man like u to play tricks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I purchased a service, didn't complain any thing > to > > > any > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > a phone no. to remove my doubts, It was my fault > > coz > > > the > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > VVIP, it is his right to not to give me his phone > > and > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > rights. > > > > > > > > > > > stop it and don't try to be smart. Ok, i still > > > > compromised > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > became > > > > > > > > > > > happy with the sound file, he sent to me after i > > > > informed > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > about my > > > > > > > > > > > difficulty on a portion of mantra. No problems, > but > > i > > > > said, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > created > > > > > > > > > > > a difference in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m still not saying what pandit ji saw and what > he > > > > didnt, > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > mailed > > > > > > > > > > > me constantly saying, it was my bad karma of > > previous > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > and very general, every second person w'd tell > > same, > > > but > > > > > > when > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > informed > > > > > > > > > > > him about some spirit, he changed his line and > said > > > he > > > > has > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > it, I agreed to this also, but i thought it's an > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > information, > > > > > > > > > > > better to keep it in the record, he denied to > give > > > this > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > reason. he said he wont give, still i was not > > > > complaining > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > thing, > > > > > > > > > > > just asked him once more for same prashna, he > > didn't > > > > tell > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > reason and > > > > > > > > > > > told that he is a VVIP, he wont give what he > doesnt > > > > want. I > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > complain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And finally, He posted part of my mail to the > group > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > informing > > > > > > > > > > > me, without seeking my consent and at the same > > time, > > > he > > > > > > didnt > > > > > > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > > > accusing me that i will disclose his precious > > > > techniques in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > > > mind u idiot, on the one hand he is doing same > > thing > > > > and on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > other he > > > > > > > > > > > accused me saying - i may do it, and who did > that - > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And u are here to call me mad. U dont deserve any > > > > respect. > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > > > > > value of ur Age and Experience, Yes, i should > call > > u > > > > idiot. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > twist ethics , u cant. u want to use a handful > > > > knowledge to > > > > > > > > twist > > > > > > > > > > > ethics, u cant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said something in general about Vedanga, or > Vedic > > > > > > Granthas, > > > > > > > U > > > > > > > > > > poker, > > > > > > > > > > > entering into classification, definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U want to challange me, for what ? instead of > > taking > > > the > > > > > > > > > challange > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > trying to understand what i m saying, what i m > > sharing > > > > > > > openly, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > abusing me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U put me a lot of pain and insult, I dont know if > a > > > > > > handfull > > > > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > makes a man like u, Can u tell me where is Priya > > and > > > > can u > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > establish a contact with her, for what, i was > > craving > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > cant, u wont. coz u r fake. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant write regards to u. Ok, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " Panditji did not write about > > > spirits > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > > > > > him.... " But from what he has posted, he had > > already > > > > > > found > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > and was not sharing it with you. He had > suggested > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusive of that which is more important. A > > person > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > stature > > > > > > > > > > > > need not try to " prove " his skills by giving > > > shocking > > > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Experts of his calibre definitely are very > > subtle. > > > In > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > words " you have to balance your karma of > previous > > > > lives " > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > claim he was harping on refers to this ghostly > > > > > > apparition. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > half-baked brain, it did not strike; that is > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you claim that you are " helping " nature; > > and > > > > see > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > you give for that......you have given all the > > > projects > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > under somebody's resume to " help " him. Legally, > my > > > > > > friend, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > not a helper but a " CRIMINAL " . No wonder with > all > > > your > > > > > > lies > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot share positive vibes with Panditji who > > never > > > > tells > > > > > > > > lies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You claim " shani " visited you; why don't you > > claim > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Shiva > > > > > > > > > > > > visited you! You are mad young man! If you had > > > really > > > > had > > > > > > > > > vision > > > > > > > > > > > > of Lord Shani it would have been shown in the > > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > are a Divine personality. You probably have > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your 9th house. You have delusions of > > spirituality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " You do not differentiate > > > knowledge " ; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > no rights to declassify what ancient people have > > > > > > classified > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose. Vedangas, shaastras, all might be one > > for > > > > you; > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > have differnet purposes. Do not try to sit in > > > judgment > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the great Seers and Saints who did > > tapasya > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > those wonderful shastras to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said you have learnt some vedas to > > search > > > at > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > > roots. You have definitely not learnt under a > > > > competent > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > as usual, you have not imbibed the essence of > the > > > > > > teachings > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas are oceanic and the little spec of > > knowledge > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > does not qualify you to speak like this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Hitham poorva aachaarya vaakyena " > means " welfare > > > > comes > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > following > > > > > > > > > > > > the words of ancient Masters " is a known Dharma > > > > shastraic > > > > > > > > > > injunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can research on things, you can analyze > > things > > > > with > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > mind; but do so with a reverential attitude and > > not > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > assumption " that in India they did not spread > > > > knowledge, > > > > > > > > etc. " > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > saints have purposefully hidden some powerful > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > sources > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are not misused by half-baked morons. > > You > > > > see, > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > some part of vedas makes you think that you are > > > > qualified > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > > > on that.....it is precisely to avoid such > > > calamities, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > ancients > > > > > > > > > > > > hid powerful arts. Those arts in the hands of > good > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit many, while they will become subjects > of > > > > mockery > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > hands of those who do not appreciate their > > Divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have written " My Ego has made me > > angry " ...what > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > young > > > > > > > > > > > > man? I got angry not because you attacked me or > > even > > > > > > > > Panditji; > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > because you have attacked this Divine Art and > are > > > > > > > remorseless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not say that Shani spoke to you; you > > may > > > be > > > > put > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > asylum for Paronia, Delusional Disorder, > schizoid > > > > > > > personality > > > > > > > > > > > > disorder, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologize to the list for having > > > written > > > > such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > > > mail in this list, but this man cannot go > > > unchallenged > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > attempted to malign Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji - > a > > > noble > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the pride of this group, and who I am sure - is > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessing to this group by many members. I have > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > this. Even if this person had called me > > an " idiot " > > > or > > > > > > even > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > unparliamentary language, I would have forgiven > > > him; > > > > but > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > irreverential attitude towards astrology and > > > Panditji > > > > has > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > me off and prompted me in this exchange. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter what he writes, I will not reply > > > henceforth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt > > > ego... > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. > > Abhishek, > > > > while > > > > > > > > > replying > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. cool down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told u about " P - Priya and > Preeti ... " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first half part of ur findings is true, > how > > > much > > > > > > > true, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > tell u > > > > > > > > > > > > > - " I knew two girls, whose name begins > > with 'P', > > > > one is > > > > > > > > > Preeti > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a > man > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > > caught > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept > the > > > > truth > > > > > > > upto > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted > > me > > > > after > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > profile in the net, She is taller than me and > 9 > > > yrs > > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I > > > thought > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to > not > > to > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > think good prospects of togatherness, off > > cource, > > > > she > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a > big > > > > place > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmins, so things gets spread, the > > > communication > > > > was > > > > > > > > > throuh > > > > > > > > > > net > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have > > not > > > > seen > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > physically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > never met her physically. So, ur prashan > chart > > > > skills > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > ne > > > > > > > > > > > > > refined, the basic is good, after a point and > > the > > > > > > > > > interprition > > > > > > > > > > > > that u do > > > > > > > > > > > > > is misleading. Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and > felt > > > bad > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this > > age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never met her also, try to check in ur's > > prashna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > > > > > > again met > > > > > > > > > > > > > me through Net, She gave her false > introduction > > > like > > > > > > She > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Software > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineer, working with Mphasis, Bombay and > > about > > > to > > > > > > visit > > > > > > > > > > Germany, > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong. She had a boy friend, once she > > refered > > > > to me > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deviation came in her behaviro, As per priya > he > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > > her, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but some disturbance between them came, He > > didn't > > > > > > belong > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > family and of cheep type guy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was worried for her, I never wanted her to > > > spoil > > > > her > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a such > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of guy, I tried to convince about the > > > meaning > > > > of > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > values of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, > Once > > > what > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > unbelievable to me, let me put here, During > my > > > daily > > > > > > > puja, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > is coming to me and has occupied me, I have > got > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > protection > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him > > for > > > > help, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i had no idea about a learned siddha, > what > > > > happens > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > minute > > > > > > > > > > > > > My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My friend Nirmesh is a Sr, HR Manager with > > > Reliance > > > > > > > Retail, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his girl friend, in fact i played a role in > > > > > > reconcilation > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > disturbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > between them so they were calling me, As > Priya > > > told > > > > to > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > > > lives in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bombay, I missed her, and thought to contact > > her, > > > I > > > > > > > wanted > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > write a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail about me , a mail with all my emotions > but > > > here > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > Played > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > role and in place of sending that emotionl > mail > > to > > > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > happen > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > post that mail in a , she and me > > both > > > > were > > > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > created that group to promote youngersters of > > my > > > > region > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > > industry, and my own personal mail was posted > > in > > > the > > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake, Pls. check, if u are referring to > this > > > > > > incident. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She became so angry on me, but what i could > do, > > > all > > > > was > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > mistake > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend > > of > > > me > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > jobless, I > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > him my own CV to put his name on the CV with > > all > > > my > > > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > > > > in his > > > > > > > > > > > > > name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i > > help > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > after this incident, His birthday came, And > the > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > addressed > > > > > > > > > > > > him with > > > > > > > > > > > > > so much of respect, The guy, in place of > > showing a > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, > I > > > dont > > > > > > know > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > others have contributed more in widening the > > gap > > > in > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya. I dont know if he is still in touch > with > > > > her, or > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > by them togather. I dont know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still dont know who this Priya was and > where > > she > > > > > > lives > > > > > > > > in, > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > she is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to > > > look > > > > down > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group. coz, when i started searching her, > what > > i > > > > found > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > mphasis > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works > with > > a > > > > BPO, > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Software Engineer and she never lived in > > Bombay, > > > She > > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Noida > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my > > mails > > > to > > > > HR > > > > > > > > > > department > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happend to her, This BPO > > priya, > > > i > > > > also > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > met > > > > > > > > > > > > > her, looks different than the other Priya > whom > > i > > > was > > > > > > > > > searching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart > > > skills > > > > more > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > more, > > > > > > > > > > > > Baiscs > > > > > > > > > > > > > are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong > > and > > > u > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience in life to judge me and realities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted > to > > > let u > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > bit of > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the > > > arrogance > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > preperation for ur journey that u have to do > in > > > near > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If any one in the Group, can give light on > this > > > > Priya's > > > > > > > > > case, > > > > > > > > > > coz > > > > > > > > > > > > i had > > > > > > > > > > > > > soft feelings for her despite all her lies, I > > w'd > > > be > > > > > > > > grateful > > > > > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is > and > > > if > > > > she > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > exists, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if any occult people can help me in > > > > establishing a > > > > > > > > > contact > > > > > > > > > > > > with her > > > > > > > > > > > > > if she really exists w'd be good for me. I > w'd > > pay > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one take the challange ? i wont ask > u > > > what > > > > u > > > > > > > cant > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > promise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to > Pandit > > ji > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > necessary, > > > > > > > > > > > > > better if he w'd have told me sth about them, > > but > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the time > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of > the > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > birth, > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > was me > > > > > > > > > > > > > who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, > he > > > didnt > > > > > > tell > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the spirit and when i told him about > the > > > > spirti's > > > > > > > > > > storey, he > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i > > was > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > him to > > > > > > > > > > > > > give me Prashan Chart, he denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was > not > > > > > > > sleeping, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > with open eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd > request > > > Mr. > > > > > > Rafal > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > interefere > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some > > > pain, > > > > I > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > > > > , any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her > > > photograpgh > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > she > > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > which differs from the Priya whom i > discovered > > in > > > > > > mphasis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will any one come to help me ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know the difference between shastraas and > the > > > > > > > > > > vedaangas... ..you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think an astrologer and a yogi like me > would > > > not > > > > have > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, > > mimamsa,nruktam > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Jyotisam > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras > > or > > > > the 64 > > > > > > > > > mighty > > > > > > > > > > arts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with vedanga. You are shallow young man but > > are > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgments on great branches of knowledge > and > > > great > > > > > > > > persons > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived > a > > > full > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy wife and 4 intelligent, well- settled > > > > children. > > > > > > > Not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like > > you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not > know > > > > because > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divulged the complete exchange inthe > > forum...I > > > > think > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably do that to expose your arrogance > and > > > > idiocy > > > > > > > > > levels > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may say that you did not have affairs - > > > then > > > > what > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > tell of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a thing when you go after ladies and get > > heart- > > > > broken > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reject your proposal? You could not proceed > > to > > > the > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual affair because they did not > entertain > > > you > > > > at > > > > > > all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not commented on my finding about > > > Priya/ > > > > > > > > > > preeti.....I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure it is correct! And definitely your > > > failures > > > > in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have been a butt of jokes in your > > circle. > > > I > > > > can > > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But definitely you will come out with your > own > > > > > > versions > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure > > you > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shared it in this light - but mark my > words, > > he > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out definitely! Only thing is - he is too > > > decent > > > > to > > > > > > > hurt > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your posts are not clear....you are saying > > this > > > > and > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually commenting on what others have > > written. > > > > > > Don't > > > > > > > > pass > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgement on astrology or its > > > efficacy.Astrology > > > > is a > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique that one learns before > predicting - > > > but > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers read far more into charts than > > what > > > > they > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conventional astrological classics - it is > an > > > > applied > > > > > > > > > field > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope is just a focus and an accessory > > tool > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > prediction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hands of the greatest masters of this > > field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely you are not one to comment on > the > > > need > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > research without knowing the basic vedic > > > > etiquettes > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > behaving > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned astrologers! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been > > > > useless to > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - > > > > will > > > > it > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > differnece between Ganges and the gutter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One suggestion young man - try to go into > > > Guruji's > > > > > > mails > > > > > > > > > > > > carefully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and quietly. His words are worth their > weight > > > in > > > > gold > > > > > > > > > > usually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have benefitted by his counsel - do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > for " your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of truths " from his writings. > If > > > you > > > > do > > > > > > > that, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. > > > > Understand > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > counsel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to follow them, and you will do fine. > > But, > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > insulting and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passing unnecessary remarks on astrology > and > > > need > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. Some self-seeking astrologers - > > > > > > > capitalizing > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > craze of Indian public for " scientific " > > > > > > > research, " modern > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into old classics " etc, have written > volumes > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of astrology whereas the reality > is > > > > those > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient classical wisdom have proved more > > > > efficient > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques than > > those " researchers " . > > > > > > > Parampara > > > > > > > > > > has its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own significance. You still eat through > your > > > mouth > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have changed (I am assuming here; or are > you > > > > eating > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other end for novelty sake?). In the same > > way, > > > > nature > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changed only certain outer manifestations > have > > > > > > changed. > > > > > > > > > Only > > > > > > > > > > > > minor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification of interpretaions are needed > to > > > suit > > > > > > > > > > predictions to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern day life and definitely there are > not > > > much > > > > > > gaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > > > com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u > > using > > > > > > level > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 > > times > > > and > > > > > > > > > discover > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with > > any > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > right, > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage > > came > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > mind, i > > > > > > > > > > > > came in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of > > them, > > > > ok, > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand > > informed > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur > > > prashan > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > break > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ups is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as > > no > > > > brak > > > > > > up > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > break-up happened as no affiar even > started, > > > > > > > sometimes, > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, > > > that's > > > > why > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted > > in > > > > group, > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more > > than > > > > happy > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Guruji said was completely different > > > from > > > > u, I > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even > > > having > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > > looks, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, You change utr attitude and > consider > > > such > > > > > > > > > > proposals, i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find > a > > > nice > > > > > > > sweet > > > > > > > > > > person, > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think a model or actress but a girl with > > > little > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is > > > > difficult, i > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describing him about me, my needs, my > > > thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts > > > about > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also > clearly > > > > protray > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > idiocy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking why Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of > > the > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not > > try > > > to > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, > > > > > > Engineering > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical > > > > science > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, > > > > somtimes it > > > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " mohanraaam " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mohanraaam@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and > he > > > > > > > > > refused....you > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has no right to do that? It is his > > > > privacy...when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pestering him over email how much more > > > > > > > irresponsible > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You > > > think > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who > > think > > > > the > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revolving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio > > > > recording > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else you need to know? Is the > Great > > > Man > > > > your > > > > > > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you can demand everything that you > > > want > > > > from > > > > > > > > him? > > > > > > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything > > except > > > > > > service > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > payment - assuming you have made some > > > payment > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Guruji! > > > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think you have bought him just because > > you > > > > asked > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > service? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you would have written something > > silly > > > > like > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > (your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed > > > > Panditji! > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things > > as > > > if > > > > > > > > Panditji > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > done a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your > > > > arguments > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You > are > > > > asking > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering > > and > > > > other > > > > > > > > > things? > > > > > > > > > > > > Idiot - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb > of > > > the > > > > > > Vedas > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Engineering. .....You do not know all > this > > > > > > > > > classifications > > > > > > > > > > > > and are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do > not > > > try > > > > to > > > > > > > > > comment > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to > see > > > what > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are.....From this, try to understand > what > > > all > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a > > > Lady - > > > > and > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widely circulated joke in your social > > > > > > circle.....is > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just understand - people have made fun > of > > > you > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish > > in > > > > your > > > > > > > > > attitude; > > > > > > > > > > > > this is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one reason why women in your life are > > > running > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his > > > post - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected > you > > > > outright > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interactions with you because you have > > > > > > > been " chasing " > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic > messages > > > > > > > > > persistently. > > > > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious connection when the lady > rejected > > > your > > > > > > > > > proposal - > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga > > (preeti, > > > > Priya, > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > any of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you may think I have not found the > right > > > > name - > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial word of a person about whom I > know > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in > > > > > > scientific > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give the exact name! Don't think > > > > > > your " researches " > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automatically pave the way to find the > > name > > > > and > > > > > > > > glorify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an > astrologer > > is > > > > > > capable > > > > > > > > of! > > > > > > > > > > > > Guruji is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too decent to insult you by writing > like > > > > this - > > > > > > > > > > definitely he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found out all these. He would have > > > > > > counselled > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of attitude mainly regarding > this....you > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you > are > > > > > > > justifying > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > projecting as if your grievance is > > genuine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you > have > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > disturb a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when > you > > > > want! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do > > not > > > > have > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > no. do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you know that? He has email id and he > is > > > very > > > > > > > prompt > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through that. Do you know anything of > > that > > > > great > > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client > > > like > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > thosands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and > > clients > > > all > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > world. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever > > have > > > > time > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > himself? > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. > Your > > > post > > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > he is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is > > > helping > > > > out > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the great man does not differentiate > much > > > and > > > > > > tries > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering people even if they are > > > undeserving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your > own > > > good. > > > > > > > Improve > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before trying to comment on great > fields > > > like > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are > > no > > > > gaps in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been > > > > documented > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > Shri. > > > > > > > > > > > > Potti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences > > > begane, > > > > when > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > asked > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he > > > refused > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > nos, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for > > the > > > > > > > > > consultation > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > communication is required, so at > least a > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he > > > > recommened a > > > > > > > > > mantra, > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest > to > > > tell > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy > of > > > > charts > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > refused. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many > > > refusals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory > > > > explanations , > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > timing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and > > it > > > was > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conditional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to > > > > conclude > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my private communication partly in > the > > > > group. > > > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my > > > > confusion > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pronunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to > > > discuss > > > > it > > > > > > > > > further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > Volunteers " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for > his > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > ailments > > > > > > > > > > > > or a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental > ailments > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri > > K.N. > > > Rao > > > > > > > > strongly > > > > > > > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious > matters > > via > > > > > > > internet > > > > > > > > > > and to > > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, > in- > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and > > causes > > > > more > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimately, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a > private > > > > > > > > > communication, > > > > > > > > > > > > it's at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of > > > private > > > > > > > > > > communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at > > ur > > > > end, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, > > how > > > i m > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > fear > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis > of > > not > > > > > > > providing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which > is > > > > > > realized > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r > into > > > > deciding > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for > keeping > > in > > > my > > > > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubts on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think > > otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency > is > > > key > > > > to > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis > of > > ur > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > level u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a > > > pity > > > > that > > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > mood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private communication and at the > > same > > > > time, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can > > post > > > ur > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I > was > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know > that, > > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > technique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread > of > > > > giving > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient > > knowledge > > > has > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > end is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why > some > > > > > > > > knowledgable > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur > respect > > is > > > > no way > > > > > > > > > > > > corroborated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u > > for > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantras u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i > > will > > > > have > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur > > > > dealings. > > > > > > > > Pls. > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong > > somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the > > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a > > > > prediction > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > me. I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counselling based on his > > horoscope > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > based on > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed > > marital > > > > > > delays > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters which he has already > > > > experienced. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha > > baadha " > > > > > > > (trouble > > > > > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ghostly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness > in > > the > > > > > > > family). > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter into account and not > > wanting > > > to > > > > > > > scare > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not > divulged > > > the > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to > > > counteract > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > effect and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to > be > > > > > > > performed. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly > > > events > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > > because his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members have had visitations > from > > > that > > > > > > > > entity. > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > replied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that I have already > taken > > > that > > > > > > > factor > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that > the > > > > entity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > likely to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end > and > > so > > > it > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > trouble > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and > > also > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I > had > > > > > > > suggested, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb > > 2008 > > > > or in > > > > > > > > 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences > are > > > > quite > > > > > > > tough > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so > many > > > > > > factors > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities > > and > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > date as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage > > > happen > > > > in > > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > > > 2008! I > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting > > attitude > > > > > > > > > modification > > > > > > > > > > > > (he may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for > the > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > happen; or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > else it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been > > persisting > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > sharing the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad > > > hints > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > why I > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but > he > > > > insists > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > share the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete > > details > > > to > > > > > > him, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > I am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is > that > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > application and sharing its > > > techniques > > > > > > > > offhand > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may lead the native into > reading > > > too > > > > much > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when > > > infact > > > > it > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and > is > > > > getting > > > > > > at > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > prompting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my > > > > patience's > > > > > > > > end! > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > spend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time debating like this with > one > > > > person > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > can I > > > > > > > > > > > > serve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this > > member > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a > > > hallowed > > > > > > > > > > > > tradition... ...Am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I > > have > > > > acted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest > exchange > > > > between > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request those who are > > knowledgeable > > > in > > > > > > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is > the > > > > person > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > cutting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) > > > telling > > > > him > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the > > best > > > > > > > > > interests. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand the danger of > > > maintaining > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is > > > > inauspicious! I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > pained > > > > > > > > > > > > by his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding > something; > > > > hiding > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost > like > > > > accusing > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he comment on my > professionalism; > > I > > > am > > > > > > > acting > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice > > > imputing > > > > > > > motives > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this > > what > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ------- -- > - > > -- > > > ----- > > > > ---- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the > name > > of > > > > > > > frankness > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bane of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go > > out > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nude > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing > to > > > > hide? > > > > > > > Asking > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a > > > practising > > > > > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistently > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to > that > > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was > > denied > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and if you post > that " technique " > > in > > > > the > > > > > > VA > > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some > > > members > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the > > > Garga > > > > Hora > > > > > > > > > > posting of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by > > > withholding > > > > > > > > > > information? I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be > > > taking > > > > > > > advice > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of > > > > handling > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your > > > accusing > > > > me > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > unfair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains > > > > > > something > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one > thing - > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > > acted > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA > list > > so > > > > that > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I > have > > > > failed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful > to > > > you > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > analysis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on > the > > > > other I > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional > > approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of > > > > fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I > > w'd > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > asked u > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to > > keep > > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > records. My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share > > important > > > > > > charts, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do > > > > without > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's > > end > > > > and u > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > gain > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= > > > ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > > > > > > > > > > > Travel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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