on Paramaachaaryaar Shri Chandra Sekarar......

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri. Lalith:

 

I am sorry for jutting in between Abhishekji and yourself......

 

Abhishekji is referring to the previous Pontiff Shri.

Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi who never indulged in any politics. He

had the utmost respect to other Shankaraachaaryaas, and in turn they

also had goodwill towards Him. That Pontiff was in the best of terms

with almost all religious leaders....He respected their sovereignity

over regions, and the Great Saint was known to avoid using palanquins

in the regions that are under the Pontiffdom of other

JagatGurus.....such was his expression of reverence to other Mutt

Heads.....In fact, He was the only Hindu religious leader who was met

by Dalai Laama Himself, and the two Religious Heads had a wonderful

discussion lasting for more than 3 hours......the first instance of a

Buddhist Head and Advaita Muttaadhipathi holding such personal

conferences in many centuries! His Holiness Chandrasekarar was beyond

reproach......

 

For reasons best known to the current Pontiff, the present incumbent

chose to tread a different path from his predecessor and paid the

price of it severely, and also the mutt's prestige suffered in the

process (arrests, cases, allegations of misbehaviour, and what

not.....true or not....these have definitely pained millions of

ardent devotees who cannot bear the condition to which the Hoary Mutt

has been dragged due to recent controversies!)

 

I am myself one of the recipients of His Holiness Chandrasekarar's

Grace.....His very Glance and Presence dispels many doubs....I have

had my spiritual queries answered by that Jagat Guru without having

to open my mouth in His presence! Not merely myself, it is the

experience of many devotees.....He was definitely an avatar in His

own right.

 

We are all Blessed in that in the past 10 centuries, we have had some

wonderful Godly Men treading our Holy land.....starting from

Maadhwaachaarya, Raamanujar, Shrimad Vedaanta Desikar, Shri

Vaathiraajar, Shri Raaghavendrar, Shri Ugra Narasimha Bhaarati

swaamigal of Sringeri,(Sringageri is our Family Guru; Kanchi mutt is

not our family mutt....yet, Shri Chandrasekarar's Tejas' and

Greatness attracted me and made me consider Him as my Aatma Guru),

Shri Arunagirinaathar, Shirdi Sai Baaba (Avadhoota traditions), Sage

Tukaaraam, Meera Bhai, Kabir, Goswami Tulsi Das, Aatma Naama

Bhodendrar (He was a Kaanchi Shankaraachaarya who renounced the

Muttship to become like normal devotees chanting Raama naama - He was

still a Sanyaasi, but left the duties of the mutt to his successor

and led a life devoted to raama naama japam) to the Mahaatmaas of

recent times (I would have definitely left out some more mahaatmaas

in this list; but this was unintentional....I am overwhelmed by this

long list of noble souls whom God has been sending to us at regular

intervals for OUR guidance and for the continuity of spiritual

traditions!

 

It is those Spiritual reservoirs that have kept our traditions alive

even after various tumultous developments in our land over the

centuries.

 

Visit to the Jeeva Samaadhis of these saints will Bless us with

Divine Insights that can hardly be expressed in words. Currently,

the jeeva samaadhi of Raaghavendrar, Samaadhi Mandir of Shri Shirdi

Sai, the Brindaavanam of Shri Chandrasekarar, and Shri Raama naama

Bhodendraal adhishtaanam in Govindapuram a village in Tamil Naadu are

places where many devotees have experienced rare spiritual insights.

(In Bodhendaal samaadhi, one can hear Raama naama chant if we chant

it faithfully within our mind....In fact, this samaadhi was in disuse

and nobody could identify the place; it was Shri Chandrasekarar

Periyavaal who identified this Place....a miraculous event was

experienced by all those present at that place at that time).

 

Somehow I felt like writing on this.....I crave the indulgence of the

group if I have strayed beyond the avowed objectives of this group.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Resp. Abhishek Ji,

>

> I happen to reply to u, without reading this mail of u.

> I agree to you -

>

> " Ayurveda is a upaveda (an ancillary to vedic studies - whatever be

> the veda), and its purpose is relief of humans from ailments.

That

> is all to it " .

>

> that's a beautiful end to the discussion, however, i dont think

> Kanchi JagatGuru is beyond discussion as he didn't recognise fellow

> shankaracharyaa's life and doings.

>

> But, let's dont raise this issue, i offer my best regard to him.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

> <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dr. Sanjay:

> >

> > I never said " misguided ayurvedist " ....what I mean to say is that

> > most scholars of today are basing their arguments/ ideas

> > upon " translated " versions of classics. As regards His Holiness -

 

> > you have said he belongs to the present era - but touch your

heart

> > and say.....don't you think a person who has spent his whole life

> > researching manuscripts, inscriptions, etc. and whose knowledge

has

> > been acknowledged to be superior to experts in the respective

> fields,

> > and who has conducted hundreds if not thousands of " sadas " (a

sadas

> > incidentally is a congress of experts on various subjects), and

who

> > would have undoubtedly read the puraanaas and samhitaas mentioned

> in

> > the post like Charaka Samhita....won't he be knowing what he is

> > saying?

> >

> > That is the point I wish to make. We are all speaking from the

> > knowledge and research of others....is it not? His Holiness used

> to

> > differ from the " Period classification " of Western Scholars (like

> Rig

> > Veda was oldest etc. based on vedic etymology); In His opinion

such

> > classifications do not hold ground at all as etymology cannot be

> the

> > basis of fixing time period of the apaurusheya vedaas.

> >

> > His miracles are too well known...........He used to take experts

> > from across the world on the defensive with his acute

observations

> on

> > the most minute points of subjects......A person of such a

calibre

> > would certainly have made valid remarks is it not?

> >

> > Again, charaka samhita, Susrutha samhita etc. do not belong to

the

> > vedaas. Today, I might write a book on astrology; but that does

not

> > mean vedaang jotish belongs to " My " period. Charaka Samhita,

etc.

> > were works on Ayurveda - they are rather like manuals of

ayurveda.

> As

> > someone who knows the Rig veda and its mantraic application (as

> > opposed to the general view that only Atharva veda has

> incantations,

> > there are mantrik application of all vedic mantraas), I can say

for

> > certain that at least certain portions of modern day Ayurveda can

> be

> > traced to Rig Vedic hymns. Veda Bhaashya explains that!

> >

> > Ayurveda originated not from Sage Susrutha (He was the First one

> > credited to have done Caesarean, is it not?)...but far before

him,

> by

> > the Aswini Devataas. References to this are in the Rig veda.

> >

> > Now, let me end this matter with this saying......

> >

> > Upavedaas are ancillaries of the main vedaas. It is quite

possible

> > that at different points of time, various ancillaries were taught

> for

> > vedic students keeping in tune with the spirit of the times. So,

I

> > do know and I now concede that Ayurveda has been a upaveda of

> > Atharveda in certain regions of India, and it has been the

> ancillary

> > for Rig Vedic studies in Keralaa and parts of Peninsular India.

I

> > have commented on this even before.

> >

> > Again, no comparison can be made between Charaka, Susrutha, etc.

> and

> > His Holiness.....Charaka etc. were respected Physicians, and

> > definitely not " siddheeshwaraas " . The Sage of Kaanchi was a

> > Sidheeswara who was revered by such great saints like Sage Ramana

> > Maharishi, Seshaadri Swaamigal, recently Yogi Raam surat Kumar,

> etc.

> > besides countless jogis of north India.....He was believed to

have

> > been in communion with Goddess Kaamaakshi Herself often, and with

> > such Divine Insight obtained by a pure Brahmacharya Sanyaasi

life,

> He

> > can hardly go wrong. That was my contention.

> >

> > As you rightly said, it is more suitable for ayurvedic forums.

And

> > even there, it will serve no useful purpose.......

> >

> > A rose by any other name will smell just as sweet. In the same

> way,

> > Ayurveda is a upaveda (an ancillary to vedic studies - whatever

be

> > the veda), and its purpose is relief of humans from ailments.

That

> > is all to it.

> >

> >

> > Blessings.

> > Abhishek.

> >

> > vedic astrology , sanjay sharma

<drdevgun1@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Abhishek Ji,

> > > At the outset, I apologise for putting across my view point

> > before some one having a difference of opinion starts an all out

> war

> > of mails.

> > > I never wanted another controversy to start in this forum

> > concerning a trivial matter as this one so I never argued about

the

> > lineage of Ayurveda earlier on. But Sir, what ever has been said

by

> > the so called " Scholar " is not what he was taught in just a

matter

> of

> > 1 yr. by some misdirected Ayurvedist.

> > > Kindly go through the " Historical Background of Ayurveda " ,

> before

> > commenting like this. Kindly check the period to which the

> > authoritative texts mentioned by the person who has posted this

> mail,

> > date back. For your convenience, I repeat those " Charak Samhita,

> > Susruta Samhita, Vagbhatta Samhita " .

> > > I am sure, as a person who has done an in-depth study of the

> > vedic literature, you would be knowing about the Vedic Kaal, Arsh

> > Kaal, Samhita kaal etc. etc. So, dont just negate the point put

> > across by your fellow group member without checking the

> authenticity

> > of the other view point. The names of the authentic texts

> themselves

> > give an indication as to the period when these were written

> > (Samhita). Hence, clearly these books have not been written by

any

> > present day scholar to show his Scholastic Abilities.

> > > Furthermore the man is also quoting Puranas which most

> > definitely were not written by the scholar in question.

> > > With due respect to the saint and Kanchi Seer that you have

> > cited, let me bring to your kind notice that he also belongs to

> > todays period while the authors of the texts mentioned above are

> from

> > the Samhita Kaal.

> > > Therefore, as i had written earlier also, it is only a matter

> of

> > differece of opinion of the people who are studying their own

> fields;

> > interpreting the subject to their own awareness and knowledge, as

> > most definitely the development of Ayurveda did not happen

keeping

> > into mind, and developing onto what was followed or grasped from

> one

> > veda itself.

> > >

> > > And now coming to the point why those learned scholars said

> that

> > this owes its birth to the Atharva Veda is because of the mention

> of

> > the Ayurvedic basics (principles) and herbs. The matter

pertaining

> to

> > Ayurveda is mostly found in Atharvaveda.

> > >

> > > P.S. - I shall not write any thing more on this anymore as I

> > feel, any further debate on this should be done in an Ayurveda

> group,

> > not in this group which happens to be related to Astrology.

> > >

> > > With Regards,

> > > Dr. Sanjay Sharma

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > abhishekpotti <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > > Hello group:

> > >

> > > Ayurvedic doctor would have probably studied in some Indian

> > > University where we read distorted version of our own history

> with

> > > controversies.......I honestly feel that this issue need not

have

> > > been raked up. I repeat...there are enough scholars here in

this

> > > very forum.....The Ayurvedic Doctor from this forum also said

> what

> > > the " scholar " that Lalith has consulted said.....He also

> confessed

> > > that it was what was taught to them in their college....The

> scholar

> > > that Lalith refers to also will also obviously say the same

thing

> > > that he learnt during his first year of college!

> > >

> > > I have already written in the group that Rig Vedic Scholars who

> > have

> > > done adhyayanaa in the traditional form from Kerala have also

> > studied

> > > Ayur veda as their upa vedaa. I leave it to the group to decide

> > > whether they are going to go by the version of the so called

> > scholar

> > > who would have doubtless been following what has been taught to

> him

> > > by his University for 5 years or by the version of Vedic

Scholars

> > > who come from a long line of vedic experts of the particular

veda

> > and

> > > spend all their life in mastering their subject. I think if

there

> > is

> > > a doubt regarding my house, my version should hold good!

> > >

> > > More importantly, Shri Chandrasekara Saraswathy - the revered

> > > Paramaachaaryaa (many senior members of this group will

> definitely

> > > remember the Great Sage of Kaanchi) - a scholar of many

subjects

> > and

> > > a Saint has clearly stated in his lectures that Ayur Veda is

the

> > Upa

> > > Veda of Rig Veda.

> > >

> > > I would prefer such " researches " and enquiries to " self-

> certified "

> > > scholars be kept to concerned members themselves because they

are

> > > patently wrong. I am sorry. I do not mean to enter into

> > > controversy, but even after my clarifying the point, the point

> has

> > > been raised. Writing a book is not a fool-proof indicator of

> > > scholastic abilities; nor does practising a subject mean that

the

> > > person knows ALL about his subject's history. I mean no offence

> to

> > > anyone here. My only intention is that the group should not be

> > > mislead.

> > >

> > > Please do not treat this as an egoistic exchange between Lalith

> > > Mishra and myself....no......He stated his views based on his

> > limited

> > > experience and by approaching the person who is the best person

> > whom

> > > he could contact as he is a software engineer and does not know

> > vedic

> > > traditions or paatashaalaas. Whereas I am an old keraleeya

> Brahmin

> > > from an orthodox Rig Vedic family (Rig Veda is my veda and I

come

> > > from a line of ayurvedic practitioners), and had access to Veda

> > > Paatashaalaas where they REALLY teach vedas in pristine form,

and

> > > also the Great Saint of Kaanchi who obviously must know what He

> was

> > > speaking with all his siddhis and shastraic knowledge!

> > >

> > > Let the Group decide whether they are going to follow the Jagat

> > > Guru's version or the modern doctor's version. I am no one to

> > > comment on this anymore.

> > >

> > > Blessings to everyone.

> > >

> > > Abhishek.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Group,

> > > >

> > > > There was a discussion on Upvedas, particularly, related to

> > Atahrva

> > > > Veda, I contacted an scholar Dr.Thrigulla Saketh

Ram,Hyderabad,

> > he

> > > > has written following, He is a Ayurved Doctor too.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > > -------------------------

> > > -

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar, I think I can answer the first question.

> > > >

> > > > Ayurveda is Upaveda of Atharvaveda and not Rigveda. All the

> > Ayurved

> > > > Samhitas-Charaka, Susruta and Vagbhata clearly state that

> > Ayurveda

> > > is

> > > > upveda of Atharvaveda. Purnas Like Brahmavaiarta, Vishnu

> purnana

> > > also

> > > > confirm the same.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > >

> > > > Dr.Thrigulla Saketh Ram

> > > > Ayurvedacharya(BAMS), Ayurved Vachaspati(MD)

> > > > Hyderabad

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?

> > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Resp. Panditji,

 

Thanx for the information given about Shri. Chandrasekarendra

Saraswathi , in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not

understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in

kanchi.

 

I m happy to know about Shri. Chandrasekarendra SaraswathiJi.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

>

> Dear Shri. Lalith:

>

> I am sorry for jutting in between Abhishekji and yourself......

>

> Abhishekji is referring to the previous Pontiff Shri.

> Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi who never indulged in any politics.

He

> had the utmost respect to other Shankaraachaaryaas, and in turn

they

> also had goodwill towards Him. That Pontiff was in the best of

terms

> with almost all religious leaders....He respected their

sovereignity

> over regions, and the Great Saint was known to avoid using

palanquins

> in the regions that are under the Pontiffdom of other

> JagatGurus.....such was his expression of reverence to other Mutt

> Heads.....In fact, He was the only Hindu religious leader who was

met

> by Dalai Laama Himself, and the two Religious Heads had a wonderful

> discussion lasting for more than 3 hours......the first instance of

a

> Buddhist Head and Advaita Muttaadhipathi holding such personal

> conferences in many centuries! His Holiness Chandrasekarar was

beyond

> reproach......

>

> For reasons best known to the current Pontiff, the present

incumbent

> chose to tread a different path from his predecessor and paid the

> price of it severely, and also the mutt's prestige suffered in the

> process (arrests, cases, allegations of misbehaviour, and what

> not.....true or not....these have definitely pained millions of

> ardent devotees who cannot bear the condition to which the Hoary

Mutt

> has been dragged due to recent controversies!)

>

> I am myself one of the recipients of His Holiness Chandrasekarar's

> Grace.....His very Glance and Presence dispels many doubs....I have

> had my spiritual queries answered by that Jagat Guru without having

> to open my mouth in His presence! Not merely myself, it is the

> experience of many devotees.....He was definitely an avatar in His

> own right.

>

> We are all Blessed in that in the past 10 centuries, we have had

some

> wonderful Godly Men treading our Holy land.....starting from

> Maadhwaachaarya, Raamanujar, Shrimad Vedaanta Desikar, Shri

> Vaathiraajar, Shri Raaghavendrar, Shri Ugra Narasimha Bhaarati

> swaamigal of Sringeri,(Sringageri is our Family Guru; Kanchi mutt

is

> not our family mutt....yet, Shri Chandrasekarar's Tejas' and

> Greatness attracted me and made me consider Him as my Aatma Guru),

> Shri Arunagirinaathar, Shirdi Sai Baaba (Avadhoota traditions),

Sage

> Tukaaraam, Meera Bhai, Kabir, Goswami Tulsi Das, Aatma Naama

> Bhodendrar (He was a Kaanchi Shankaraachaarya who renounced the

> Muttship to become like normal devotees chanting Raama naama - He

was

> still a Sanyaasi, but left the duties of the mutt to his successor

> and led a life devoted to raama naama japam) to the Mahaatmaas of

> recent times (I would have definitely left out some more mahaatmaas

> in this list; but this was unintentional....I am overwhelmed by

this

> long list of noble souls whom God has been sending to us at regular

> intervals for OUR guidance and for the continuity of spiritual

> traditions!

>

> It is those Spiritual reservoirs that have kept our traditions

alive

> even after various tumultous developments in our land over the

> centuries.

>

> Visit to the Jeeva Samaadhis of these saints will Bless us with

> Divine Insights that can hardly be expressed in words. Currently,

> the jeeva samaadhi of Raaghavendrar, Samaadhi Mandir of Shri Shirdi

> Sai, the Brindaavanam of Shri Chandrasekarar, and Shri Raama naama

> Bhodendraal adhishtaanam in Govindapuram a village in Tamil Naadu

are

> places where many devotees have experienced rare spiritual

insights.

> (In Bodhendaal samaadhi, one can hear Raama naama chant if we chant

> it faithfully within our mind....In fact, this samaadhi was in

disuse

> and nobody could identify the place; it was Shri Chandrasekarar

> Periyavaal who identified this Place....a miraculous event was

> experienced by all those present at that place at that time).

>

> Somehow I felt like writing on this.....I crave the indulgence of

the

> group if I have strayed beyond the avowed objectives of this group.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Resp. Abhishek Ji,

> >

> > I happen to reply to u, without reading this mail of u.

> > I agree to you -

> >

> > " Ayurveda is a upaveda (an ancillary to vedic studies - whatever

be

> > the veda), and its purpose is relief of humans from ailments.

> That

> > is all to it " .

> >

> > that's a beautiful end to the discussion, however, i dont think

> > Kanchi JagatGuru is beyond discussion as he didn't recognise

fellow

> > shankaracharyaa's life and doings.

> >

> > But, let's dont raise this issue, i offer my best regard to him.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti "

> > <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dr. Sanjay:

> > >

> > > I never said " misguided ayurvedist " ....what I mean to say is

that

> > > most scholars of today are basing their arguments/ ideas

> > > upon " translated " versions of classics. As regards His

Holiness -

>

> > > you have said he belongs to the present era - but touch your

> heart

> > > and say.....don't you think a person who has spent his whole

life

> > > researching manuscripts, inscriptions, etc. and whose knowledge

> has

> > > been acknowledged to be superior to experts in the respective

> > fields,

> > > and who has conducted hundreds if not thousands of " sadas " (a

> sadas

> > > incidentally is a congress of experts on various subjects), and

> who

> > > would have undoubtedly read the puraanaas and samhitaas

mentioned

> > in

> > > the post like Charaka Samhita....won't he be knowing what he is

> > > saying?

> > >

> > > That is the point I wish to make. We are all speaking from the

> > > knowledge and research of others....is it not? His Holiness

used

> > to

> > > differ from the " Period classification " of Western Scholars

(like

> > Rig

> > > Veda was oldest etc. based on vedic etymology); In His opinion

> such

> > > classifications do not hold ground at all as etymology cannot

be

> > the

> > > basis of fixing time period of the apaurusheya vedaas.

> > >

> > > His miracles are too well known...........He used to take

experts

> > > from across the world on the defensive with his acute

> observations

> > on

> > > the most minute points of subjects......A person of such a

> calibre

> > > would certainly have made valid remarks is it not?

> > >

> > > Again, charaka samhita, Susrutha samhita etc. do not belong to

> the

> > > vedaas. Today, I might write a book on astrology; but that does

> not

> > > mean vedaang jotish belongs to " My " period. Charaka Samhita,

> etc.

> > > were works on Ayurveda - they are rather like manuals of

> ayurveda.

> > As

> > > someone who knows the Rig veda and its mantraic application (as

> > > opposed to the general view that only Atharva veda has

> > incantations,

> > > there are mantrik application of all vedic mantraas), I can say

> for

> > > certain that at least certain portions of modern day Ayurveda

can

> > be

> > > traced to Rig Vedic hymns. Veda Bhaashya explains that!

> > >

> > > Ayurveda originated not from Sage Susrutha (He was the First

one

> > > credited to have done Caesarean, is it not?)...but far before

> him,

> > by

> > > the Aswini Devataas. References to this are in the Rig veda.

> > >

> > > Now, let me end this matter with this saying......

> > >

> > > Upavedaas are ancillaries of the main vedaas. It is quite

> possible

> > > that at different points of time, various ancillaries were

taught

> > for

> > > vedic students keeping in tune with the spirit of the times.

So,

> I

> > > do know and I now concede that Ayurveda has been a upaveda of

> > > Atharveda in certain regions of India, and it has been the

> > ancillary

> > > for Rig Vedic studies in Keralaa and parts of Peninsular

India.

> I

> > > have commented on this even before.

> > >

> > > Again, no comparison can be made between Charaka, Susrutha,

etc.

> > and

> > > His Holiness.....Charaka etc. were respected Physicians, and

> > > definitely not " siddheeshwaraas " . The Sage of Kaanchi was a

> > > Sidheeswara who was revered by such great saints like Sage

Ramana

> > > Maharishi, Seshaadri Swaamigal, recently Yogi Raam surat Kumar,

> > etc.

> > > besides countless jogis of north India.....He was believed to

> have

> > > been in communion with Goddess Kaamaakshi Herself often, and

with

> > > such Divine Insight obtained by a pure Brahmacharya Sanyaasi

> life,

> > He

> > > can hardly go wrong. That was my contention.

> > >

> > > As you rightly said, it is more suitable for ayurvedic forums.

> And

> > > even there, it will serve no useful purpose.......

> > >

> > > A rose by any other name will smell just as sweet. In the same

> > way,

> > > Ayurveda is a upaveda (an ancillary to vedic studies - whatever

> be

> > > the veda), and its purpose is relief of humans from ailments.

> That

> > > is all to it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Blessings.

> > > Abhishek.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , sanjay sharma

> <drdevgun1@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Abhishek Ji,

> > > > At the outset, I apologise for putting across my view point

> > > before some one having a difference of opinion starts an all

out

> > war

> > > of mails.

> > > > I never wanted another controversy to start in this forum

> > > concerning a trivial matter as this one so I never argued about

> the

> > > lineage of Ayurveda earlier on. But Sir, what ever has been

said

> by

> > > the so called " Scholar " is not what he was taught in just a

> matter

> > of

> > > 1 yr. by some misdirected Ayurvedist.

> > > > Kindly go through the " Historical Background of Ayurveda " ,

> > before

> > > commenting like this. Kindly check the period to which the

> > > authoritative texts mentioned by the person who has posted this

> > mail,

> > > date back. For your convenience, I repeat those " Charak

Samhita,

> > > Susruta Samhita, Vagbhatta Samhita " .

> > > > I am sure, as a person who has done an in-depth study of

the

> > > vedic literature, you would be knowing about the Vedic Kaal,

Arsh

> > > Kaal, Samhita kaal etc. etc. So, dont just negate the point put

> > > across by your fellow group member without checking the

> > authenticity

> > > of the other view point. The names of the authentic texts

> > themselves

> > > give an indication as to the period when these were written

> > > (Samhita). Hence, clearly these books have not been written by

> any

> > > present day scholar to show his Scholastic Abilities.

> > > > Furthermore the man is also quoting Puranas which most

> > > definitely were not written by the scholar in question.

> > > > With due respect to the saint and Kanchi Seer that you have

> > > cited, let me bring to your kind notice that he also belongs to

> > > todays period while the authors of the texts mentioned above

are

> > from

> > > the Samhita Kaal.

> > > > Therefore, as i had written earlier also, it is only a

matter

> > of

> > > differece of opinion of the people who are studying their own

> > fields;

> > > interpreting the subject to their own awareness and knowledge,

as

> > > most definitely the development of Ayurveda did not happen

> keeping

> > > into mind, and developing onto what was followed or grasped

from

> > one

> > > veda itself.

> > > >

> > > > And now coming to the point why those learned scholars said

> > that

> > > this owes its birth to the Atharva Veda is because of the

mention

> > of

> > > the Ayurvedic basics (principles) and herbs. The matter

> pertaining

> > to

> > > Ayurveda is mostly found in Atharvaveda.

> > > >

> > > > P.S. - I shall not write any thing more on this anymore as

I

> > > feel, any further debate on this should be done in an Ayurveda

> > group,

> > > not in this group which happens to be related to Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > With Regards,

> > > > Dr. Sanjay Sharma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > abhishekpotti <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> > > > Hello group:

> > > >

> > > > Ayurvedic doctor would have probably studied in some Indian

> > > > University where we read distorted version of our own history

> > with

> > > > controversies.......I honestly feel that this issue need not

> have

> > > > been raked up. I repeat...there are enough scholars here in

> this

> > > > very forum.....The Ayurvedic Doctor from this forum also said

> > what

> > > > the " scholar " that Lalith has consulted said.....He also

> > confessed

> > > > that it was what was taught to them in their college....The

> > scholar

> > > > that Lalith refers to also will also obviously say the same

> thing

> > > > that he learnt during his first year of college!

> > > >

> > > > I have already written in the group that Rig Vedic Scholars

who

> > > have

> > > > done adhyayanaa in the traditional form from Kerala have also

> > > studied

> > > > Ayur veda as their upa vedaa. I leave it to the group to

decide

> > > > whether they are going to go by the version of the so called

> > > scholar

> > > > who would have doubtless been following what has been taught

to

> > him

> > > > by his University for 5 years or by the version of Vedic

> Scholars

> > > > who come from a long line of vedic experts of the particular

> veda

> > > and

> > > > spend all their life in mastering their subject. I think if

> there

> > > is

> > > > a doubt regarding my house, my version should hold good!

> > > >

> > > > More importantly, Shri Chandrasekara Saraswathy - the revered

> > > > Paramaachaaryaa (many senior members of this group will

> > definitely

> > > > remember the Great Sage of Kaanchi) - a scholar of many

> subjects

> > > and

> > > > a Saint has clearly stated in his lectures that Ayur Veda is

> the

> > > Upa

> > > > Veda of Rig Veda.

> > > >

> > > > I would prefer such " researches " and enquiries to " self-

> > certified "

> > > > scholars be kept to concerned members themselves because they

> are

> > > > patently wrong. I am sorry. I do not mean to enter into

> > > > controversy, but even after my clarifying the point, the

point

> > has

> > > > been raised. Writing a book is not a fool-proof indicator of

> > > > scholastic abilities; nor does practising a subject mean that

> the

> > > > person knows ALL about his subject's history. I mean no

offence

> > to

> > > > anyone here. My only intention is that the group should not

be

> > > > mislead.

> > > >

> > > > Please do not treat this as an egoistic exchange between

Lalith

> > > > Mishra and myself....no......He stated his views based on his

> > > limited

> > > > experience and by approaching the person who is the best

person

> > > whom

> > > > he could contact as he is a software engineer and does not

know

> > > vedic

> > > > traditions or paatashaalaas. Whereas I am an old keraleeya

> > Brahmin

> > > > from an orthodox Rig Vedic family (Rig Veda is my veda and I

> come

> > > > from a line of ayurvedic practitioners), and had access to

Veda

> > > > Paatashaalaas where they REALLY teach vedas in pristine form,

> and

> > > > also the Great Saint of Kaanchi who obviously must know what

He

> > was

> > > > speaking with all his siddhis and shastraic knowledge!

> > > >

> > > > Let the Group decide whether they are going to follow the

Jagat

> > > > Guru's version or the modern doctor's version. I am no one to

> > > > comment on this anymore.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings to everyone.

> > > >

> > > > Abhishek.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > There was a discussion on Upvedas, particularly, related to

> > > Atahrva

> > > > > Veda, I contacted an scholar Dr.Thrigulla Saketh

> Ram,Hyderabad,

> > > he

> > > > > has written following, He is a Ayurved Doctor too.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > -------------------------

> > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar, I think I can answer the first question.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayurveda is Upaveda of Atharvaveda and not Rigveda. All the

> > > Ayurved

> > > > > Samhitas-Charaka, Susruta and Vagbhata clearly state that

> > > Ayurveda

> > > > is

> > > > > upveda of Atharvaveda. Purnas Like Brahmavaiarta, Vishnu

> > purnana

> > > > also

> > > > > confirm the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr.Thrigulla Saketh Ram

> > > > > Ayurvedacharya(BAMS), Ayurved Vachaspati(MD)

> > > > > Hyderabad

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?

> > > > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

> in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not

> understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in

> kanchi.

 

Please allow me to blabber and give my 2 cents of thoughts on this

non-astrological topic.

 

There is no doubt that Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati was a fully self-realized

and liberated sage. However, I urge respected members to not jump to any

conclusions regarding the current pontiff.

 

Two liberated sages do not act the same way. It depends on the actions destined

for them by poorva vasanas and desa-kaala-paatra. One liberated sage may rule a

big country (like king Janaka). Another liberated sage may roam forests. Another

liberated sage may be involved in the politics of a country and guide a king as

the royal guru (like Samartha Ramadas).

 

You cannot identify a liberated sage from what one does or does not. In fact,

you cannot identify a liberated sage unless you too have progressed.

 

All people are all like pawns in a chess game. The Mother is the master chess

player who is moving all these pawns from one square to another and pitting one

against another. Most people are akin to pawns that are always worried about

where they are going to go next. When a pawn kills the rook, it gets excited.

When it is attacked by the opposite pawn, it gets depressed.

 

A liberated sage is like a pawn that moves as the player (Mother) decides and

does not worry much - a pawn that is neither excited nor depressed. Thus, you

cannot really identify a liberated sage by what one does or does not.

 

It is possible that the current pontiff is not deviating from his guru's path

because he did not " understand " his guru, as you say. It is possible that his

destiny and path are simply different. He is living in different times and the

Mother's plans for him, his mutt and his country may be different now.

 

It is not good to think negatively about a liberated sage. Please note that the

current pontiff belongs to a lineage starting from Adi Sankara and that he was

picked and guided by Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati. There may be events that

may make you think that there were differences of opinion between the two. But

it may all be Her Lila. Please do not jump to any conclusions about the current

pontiff and give due respect to him!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Resp. Panditji,

>

> Thanx for the information given about Shri. Chandrasekarendra

> Saraswathi , in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not

> understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in

> kanchi.

>

> I m happy to know about Shri. Chandrasekarendra SaraswathiJi.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Lalith:

> >

> > I am sorry for jutting in between Abhishekji and yourself......

> >

> > Abhishekji is referring to the previous Pontiff Shri.

> > Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi who never indulged in any politics.

> He

> > had the utmost respect to other Shankaraachaaryaas, and in turn

> they

> > also had goodwill towards Him. That Pontiff was in the best of

> terms

> > with almost all religious leaders....He respected their

> sovereignity

> > over regions, and the Great Saint was known to avoid using

> palanquins

> > in the regions that are under the Pontiffdom of other

> > JagatGurus.....such was his expression of reverence to other Mutt

> > Heads.....In fact, He was the only Hindu religious leader who was

> met

> > by Dalai Laama Himself, and the two Religious Heads had a wonderful

> > discussion lasting for more than 3 hours......the first instance of

> a

> > Buddhist Head and Advaita Muttaadhipathi holding such personal

> > conferences in many centuries! His Holiness Chandrasekarar was

> beyond

> > reproach......

> >

> > For reasons best known to the current Pontiff, the present

> incumbent

> > chose to tread a different path from his predecessor and paid the

> > price of it severely, and also the mutt's prestige suffered in the

> > process (arrests, cases, allegations of misbehaviour, and what

> > not.....true or not....these have definitely pained millions of

> > ardent devotees who cannot bear the condition to which the Hoary

> Mutt

> > has been dragged due to recent controversies!)

> >

> > I am myself one of the recipients of His Holiness Chandrasekarar's

> > Grace.....His very Glance and Presence dispels many doubs....I have

> > had my spiritual queries answered by that Jagat Guru without having

> > to open my mouth in His presence! Not merely myself, it is the

> > experience of many devotees.....He was definitely an avatar in His

> > own right.

> >

> > We are all Blessed in that in the past 10 centuries, we have had

> some

> > wonderful Godly Men treading our Holy land.....starting from

> > Maadhwaachaarya, Raamanujar, Shrimad Vedaanta Desikar, Shri

> > Vaathiraajar, Shri Raaghavendrar, Shri Ugra Narasimha Bhaarati

> > swaamigal of Sringeri,(Sringageri is our Family Guru; Kanchi mutt

> is

> > not our family mutt....yet, Shri Chandrasekarar's Tejas' and

> > Greatness attracted me and made me consider Him as my Aatma Guru),

> > Shri Arunagirinaathar, Shirdi Sai Baaba (Avadhoota traditions),

> Sage

> > Tukaaraam, Meera Bhai, Kabir, Goswami Tulsi Das, Aatma Naama

> > Bhodendrar (He was a Kaanchi Shankaraachaarya who renounced the

> > Muttship to become like normal devotees chanting Raama naama - He

> was

> > still a Sanyaasi, but left the duties of the mutt to his successor

> > and led a life devoted to raama naama japam) to the Mahaatmaas of

> > recent times (I would have definitely left out some more mahaatmaas

> > in this list; but this was unintentional....I am overwhelmed by

> this

> > long list of noble souls whom God has been sending to us at regular

> > intervals for OUR guidance and for the continuity of spiritual

> > traditions!

> >

> > It is those Spiritual reservoirs that have kept our traditions

> alive

> > even after various tumultous developments in our land over the

> > centuries.

> >

> > Visit to the Jeeva Samaadhis of these saints will Bless us with

> > Divine Insights that can hardly be expressed in words. Currently,

> > the jeeva samaadhi of Raaghavendrar, Samaadhi Mandir of Shri Shirdi

> > Sai, the Brindaavanam of Shri Chandrasekarar, and Shri Raama naama

> > Bhodendraal adhishtaanam in Govindapuram a village in Tamil Naadu

> are

> > places where many devotees have experienced rare spiritual

> insights.

> > (In Bodhendaal samaadhi, one can hear Raama naama chant if we chant

> > it faithfully within our mind....In fact, this samaadhi was in

> disuse

> > and nobody could identify the place; it was Shri Chandrasekarar

> > Periyavaal who identified this Place....a miraculous event was

> > experienced by all those present at that place at that time).

> >

> > Somehow I felt like writing on this.....I crave the indulgence of

> the

> > group if I have strayed beyond the avowed objectives of this group.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

while endorsing the observations made by pandit dakshinamoortiji and

narasimhaji, here are my observations while comparing one pontiff and

another.

 

no two incarnations of the same lord vishnu are alike. same vishnu

is seen as vamana, narasimha, parasurama, rama, krishna, balaji etc.

but the way they lived are different.

 

lord saibaba of shirdi lived in his own way during those days and the

present satyasaibaba lives in his own way at puttaparti. shirdi

saibaba too faced suspicions and objections by some local people

during those days and so is the present puttaparti saibaba who also

faced certain suspicions on his miracles but still he has several

crores of devotees across the globe.

 

in the new world order and the changed world scenario, the definition

of a sage changed as much as the definition of a king.

 

in olden days, all those who wish to do tapas for several days,

weeks, months and years used to select a place which is cut off from

cities only to have a secluded separation and peaceful environment

without any disturbance. hilltops, jungles and riverside areas used

to be the places where sages, kings and even demons did tapas.

however, due to population explosion and land becoming scarce, almost

all hilltops are full of resorts and hotels. no jungle is left safe

and even lions and tigers are living in fear in the jungles as

poachers keep killing them on a daily basis. riversides are most

sought after as water is becoming scarce for both cultivation and

drinking purposes. on a lighter vein, most urban cities are facing

monkey menace since their natural habitats are invaded by the

landmafia in the garb of development and they have no place to stay.

 

given this present state of affairs, one cannot expect a sage or

saintlike person to live in reclusive seclusion in deep jungles or on

unapproachable hilltops or within invisible dark caves. the gods who

reside in unseen distant worlds have taken various human incarnations

to come closer to the humanity and serve them at large. hence if a

sage lives and behaves like a normal human it is only to serve the

humanity and we shall feel privileged to have such sages amongst us

instead of criticising them for not following a dress code or ethical

code.

 

mere allegations and accusations cannot and will not alter the image

of a person. even convictions under duress shall not paint a person

good or bad. hence my humble request is to treat his holiness

jagatguru shankaracharya jayendra saraswatiji of kanchi mutt in good

earnest and seek his blessings. after all jayendra saraswatiji was

picked by chandrasekaha saraswatiji on whom one and all is heaping

praises and such divine person cannot pick a wrong choice.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> > in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not

> > understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in

> > kanchi.

>

> Please allow me to blabber and give my 2 cents of thoughts on this

non-astrological topic.

>

> There is no doubt that Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati was a fully

self-realized and liberated sage. However, I urge respected members

to not jump to any conclusions regarding the current pontiff.

>

> Two liberated sages do not act the same way. It depends on the

actions destined for them by poorva vasanas and desa-kaala-paatra.

One liberated sage may rule a big country (like king Janaka). Another

liberated sage may roam forests. Another liberated sage may be

involved in the politics of a country and guide a king as the royal

guru (like Samartha Ramadas).

>

> You cannot identify a liberated sage from what one does or does

not. In fact, you cannot identify a liberated sage unless you too

have progressed.

>

> All people are all like pawns in a chess game. The Mother is the

master chess player who is moving all these pawns from one square to

another and pitting one against another. Most people are akin to

pawns that are always worried about where they are going to go next.

When a pawn kills the rook, it gets excited. When it is attacked by

the opposite pawn, it gets depressed.

>

> A liberated sage is like a pawn that moves as the player (Mother)

decides and does not worry much - a pawn that is neither excited nor

depressed. Thus, you cannot really identify a liberated sage by what

one does or does not.

>

> It is possible that the current pontiff is not deviating from his

guru's path because he did not " understand " his guru, as you say. It

is possible that his destiny and path are simply different. He is

living in different times and the Mother's plans for him, his mutt

and his country may be different now.

>

> It is not good to think negatively about a liberated sage. Please

note that the current pontiff belongs to a lineage starting from Adi

Sankara and that he was picked and guided by Swami Chandrasekhara

Saraswati. There may be events that may make you think that there

were differences of opinion between the two. But it may all be Her

Lila. Please do not jump to any conclusions about the current pontiff

and give due respect to him!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Homam manual and audio: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@>

wrote:

> >

> > Resp. Panditji,

> >

> > Thanx for the information given about Shri. Chandrasekarendra

> > Saraswathi , in fact, it's seen that sometimes sages are not

> > understood by their desciples, may be same w'd have happened in

> > kanchi.

> >

> > I m happy to know about Shri. Chandrasekarendra SaraswathiJi.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Lalith:

> > >

> > > I am sorry for jutting in between Abhishekji and yourself......

> > >

> > > Abhishekji is referring to the previous Pontiff Shri.

> > > Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi who never indulged in any

politics.

> > He

> > > had the utmost respect to other Shankaraachaaryaas, and in turn

> > they

> > > also had goodwill towards Him. That Pontiff was in the best of

> > terms

> > > with almost all religious leaders....He respected their

> > sovereignity

> > > over regions, and the Great Saint was known to avoid using

> > palanquins

> > > in the regions that are under the Pontiffdom of other

> > > JagatGurus.....such was his expression of reverence to other

Mutt

> > > Heads.....In fact, He was the only Hindu religious leader who

was

> > met

> > > by Dalai Laama Himself, and the two Religious Heads had a

wonderful

> > > discussion lasting for more than 3 hours......the first

instance of

> > a

> > > Buddhist Head and Advaita Muttaadhipathi holding such personal

> > > conferences in many centuries! His Holiness Chandrasekarar was

> > beyond

> > > reproach......

> > >

> > > For reasons best known to the current Pontiff, the present

> > incumbent

> > > chose to tread a different path from his predecessor and paid

the

> > > price of it severely, and also the mutt's prestige suffered in

the

> > > process (arrests, cases, allegations of misbehaviour, and what

> > > not.....true or not....these have definitely pained millions of

> > > ardent devotees who cannot bear the condition to which the

Hoary

> > Mutt

> > > has been dragged due to recent controversies!)

> > >

> > > I am myself one of the recipients of His Holiness

Chandrasekarar's

> > > Grace.....His very Glance and Presence dispels many doubs....I

have

> > > had my spiritual queries answered by that Jagat Guru without

having

> > > to open my mouth in His presence! Not merely myself, it is the

> > > experience of many devotees.....He was definitely an avatar in

His

> > > own right.

> > >

> > > We are all Blessed in that in the past 10 centuries, we have

had

> > some

> > > wonderful Godly Men treading our Holy land.....starting from

> > > Maadhwaachaarya, Raamanujar, Shrimad Vedaanta Desikar, Shri

> > > Vaathiraajar, Shri Raaghavendrar, Shri Ugra Narasimha Bhaarati

> > > swaamigal of Sringeri,(Sringageri is our Family Guru; Kanchi

mutt

> > is

> > > not our family mutt....yet, Shri Chandrasekarar's Tejas' and

> > > Greatness attracted me and made me consider Him as my Aatma

Guru),

> > > Shri Arunagirinaathar, Shirdi Sai Baaba (Avadhoota traditions),

> > Sage

> > > Tukaaraam, Meera Bhai, Kabir, Goswami Tulsi Das, Aatma Naama

> > > Bhodendrar (He was a Kaanchi Shankaraachaarya who renounced the

> > > Muttship to become like normal devotees chanting Raama naama -

He

> > was

> > > still a Sanyaasi, but left the duties of the mutt to his

successor

> > > and led a life devoted to raama naama japam) to the Mahaatmaas

of

> > > recent times (I would have definitely left out some more

mahaatmaas

> > > in this list; but this was unintentional....I am overwhelmed by

> > this

> > > long list of noble souls whom God has been sending to us at

regular

> > > intervals for OUR guidance and for the continuity of spiritual

> > > traditions!

> > >

> > > It is those Spiritual reservoirs that have kept our traditions

> > alive

> > > even after various tumultous developments in our land over the

> > > centuries.

> > >

> > > Visit to the Jeeva Samaadhis of these saints will Bless us with

> > > Divine Insights that can hardly be expressed in words.

Currently,

> > > the jeeva samaadhi of Raaghavendrar, Samaadhi Mandir of Shri

Shirdi

> > > Sai, the Brindaavanam of Shri Chandrasekarar, and Shri Raama

naama

> > > Bhodendraal adhishtaanam in Govindapuram a village in Tamil

Naadu

> > are

> > > places where many devotees have experienced rare spiritual

> > insights.

> > > (In Bodhendaal samaadhi, one can hear Raama naama chant if we

chant

> > > it faithfully within our mind....In fact, this samaadhi was in

> > disuse

> > > and nobody could identify the place; it was Shri Chandrasekarar

> > > Periyavaal who identified this Place....a miraculous event was

> > > experienced by all those present at that place at that time).

> > >

> > > Somehow I felt like writing on this.....I crave the indulgence

of

> > the

> > > group if I have strayed beyond the avowed objectives of this

group.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

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