Regarding counting japams, spiritual practices, mantra shaastra, etc.

July 27, 2007

Dear List:

I just want to mention one thing here.....

Mantra shaastra works fast under the following conditions:

1) The person might have led a spiritual life even in previous

incarnations, and thus might start this life at a higher level of

spiritual awareness.

2) The person might - due to some good karmas - be born in a family

of mantra shastraic adherents. In this case, each succeeding

generation enjoys the residual energies of the previous practitioners

so much that in one particular generation, they are so advanced and

that success comes to them easily. The struggles of the earlier

generations have led to the success of this individual (It is almost

like property passing on to the successive generations). I am myself

a lucky one like that where there were highly successful and

contented spiritually accomplished ancestors from both my mother's

line and father's line. Things came easily to me and Guides sought

me out. It is all the Blessings of my ancestors.

3) The individual is highly motivated to lead a highly spiritual life

himself and things work out well.

Here, we should make a distinction between " Moola mantraas "

and " Naama japams " / sthothrams. Moola mantraas of certain calibere

are to be chanted with proper adherence to spiritual precepts. The

other mantras can be chanted casually.

Individual experiences will differ. So, it is best to go by the

words of the saints.

One pointer to whether one is a successful adept in mantra shastra,

and whether one can enjoy exemptions regarding spiritual matters is

that such persons need not seek answers to their doubts (even

regarding astrology) anywhere. The answers will come to them in

various forms. Anyone who has sought the guidance of any other human

being due to inability to understand his own fate is definitely not

an adept in spirituality, and such persons should adhere to ritual

guidelines as far as possible. Divine manifestations can happen due

to the combined merit of the forefathers....but when that quota is

over, we may start facing the music for our disrespectful approach

towards the shaastraas!

Another curious thing I have found regarding this.....Spiritually

accomplished adepts for whom these guidelines and taboos are not

mandatory, invariably follow these scrupulously either to set a good

example to the society or just because they still want to show that

deference to this wonderful subject; most of us - who don't deserve

such exemptions, usually start justifying our shortcomings in

following the mantras with various philosophical explanations.

Regarding Vaachikam, Upaamsu, and Maanasa japams, counting is there

even for maanasik japams. The counting is automatically done. Most

advanced practitioners here might be aware of that.(I myself do that

though I still do not know if I qualify to be an expert!) Mantra

shaastra is an ocean, and one's experience can never be the right

parameter to judge it or pass comments on it. There are certain

japaas which qualify for continuous chants, and definitely Moola

mantras of Deities are not to be treated so casually. (Of course, in

an emergency when you seek help you will obviously call forth those,

and that is allowed according to the shaastraas).

I humbly request all members to read original works on mantra

shaastra, or better still under a mantra shaastra practitioner of a

saatwik quality who do poojas like Navaarnava pooja or Shiva Pooja or

any other saatiwik/ vaidic form of pooja. The insight you can get

will really serve the purpose of this present incarnation.

I would recommend the list members to read through original works

like

" Parasuraama kalpam " for Sri Vidhya Pooja, Mantra Mahaarnavam for

general mantraik principles and also for various upaasanaas, Mantra

Mahoddati, Sharadaa Tilakam (for learning about some practical

siddhis), Varivasya Rahasyam, Prapanja Saara(composed by Aadi

Shankaraachaarya - an encyclopedic work on mantra shaastra), Prapanja

saara Sangraha (a concise mantra shastraic work), etc. rather than

simply going by the words of us mortals (I include myself in this

list of " fallible mortals " ).

" Sarvaath Rishi Proktha vaakyam sreshtam " - The words of Sages are

the best among all words. I request our list members to please go by

those wonderful words that they have left as their legacies for us to

follow.

Otherwise, it will be like Sage Thiromoolar saying " Blind leading

Blind " ......Our brains dulled by onslaught of sensual pleasures of

this modern world can never match the unsullied philosophical

grandeur of those great souls who lived harmonious lives in natural

surroundings. Their words are not simple words....they are the

digest of their spiritual experiences and they are our life-line

while following mantra shaastra practises.

Blessed be.

Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Dear Anand Ji,

>

> That's why i said, the fixed counting figure given in several

texts may

> or may not applicable to all individuals, reason, every one has his

> balance of krama, so, what to count ?

>

> When ur mantra touches the point it has to awaken u, it will do,it

does

> !!

>

> I dont know how much mantra chanting u have done, I have seen my

father,

> he did chanting all his life, very strictly according to shastraas,

but

> didn't get things he should get. I think he w'd have chanted more

that

> 50 - 60 crores of mantras as of now.

>

> i remember during the navaratris he w'd do japa for 5-6 hours in one

> sitting, he had a sphatik mala, a rudrakschh mala, all the steps he

w'd

> follow right from viniyog to kschhama parathana.

>

> when he didn't get vision of god and other objectives he had, he

> developed a kind of disinterest. I thoght what is the problem with

him,

> same thing i saw in hundreds of the people's life.

>

> frustration comes, it's very practical, it came even in the life of

> Swami Vivekananda or lord Buddha. I also went under this period of

> frustration. however, for me this was a very small period, just 4-5

yrs.

>

> After those initial days, i never counted mantras, never cared if i

have

> or i dont have a mala with me or not.

>

> Do u know chanting mantra in mind is said to be of superior type, i

> practised this, when in the bus i was travelling to my office, my

mantra

> chanting used to be carrried out.

>

> And despite i mainly chanted mantra for my mother god, so many

dieties,

> saints and gods either in physical form or in astral form appeared

> before me. I have seen almost all of them.

>

> The purpose of my writing is to share my personal experience.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

vedic astrology , Anand Ravi <anandravi2004@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji, Namaste

> >

> > One dont get frustrated if they fail in their sadhana, infact

they get

> more eager to continue with sadhana. The right way to approach is

its

> not a failure but sucess is just getting

> > delayed due to bad karmas. Mantras are the best way to burn the

past

> karmas and to chant a mala is a must.

> >

> > Rgds

> > Anand

> >

> > litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> >

> > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop

counting

> > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then

> > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> >

> > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be

> > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part

is

> > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be,

god

> > will ensure it for u.

> >

> > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited

> > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth.

> >

> > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's

> > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > dakshinastrologer@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > >

> > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and

> > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful

> > esoteric

> > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful

> > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful.

> > >

> > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe.

> > But,

> > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are

> > various

> > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is

a

> > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have

understood

> > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that

there

> > are

> > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of

> > the

> > > list.

> > >

> > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic-

> > > astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away

from

> > the

> > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away

from the

> > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities

too.

> > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord

> > > Narayana.

> > > >

> > > > jayasree

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question.

> > > > > Actually

> > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan

so

> > > total

> > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree

and

> > > 20

> > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108

it

> > > comes

> > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle

> > > > > represetns

> > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and

nakshatra

> > > are

> > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So

> > > chanting a

> > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One

who

> > > has

> > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is

brahmagyani he

> > > is

> > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon

> > > <muthappan111@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies

> > > recomended

> > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > >

July 27, 2007

Pandit Ji,

What a great posting u have done, The panditya u have shown is beyond

appreciation, but dont u think, this is what u or we look at from our

side, our vision. This is what we think right.

Should we forget there is God also. let the God decide something, let

the God keep things in order, how he thinks, is not our concern, who we

are to judge his part.

You have written here : -

" One pointer to whether one is a successful adept in mantra shastra,