please do not step beyond limits - explanation withJanakiraman's case...

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Dear Pramchopra:

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

member confirm that in this list.

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

possibilities.....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

astrologer after him has that calibere....and Krishnamurthiji was an

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

culled from them himself!

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

itself.

 

Blessings,

Mohanraaam.vedic astrology , Pram Chopra

<pramchopra1964 wrote:

>

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

>

> God Bless U

>

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

me every moment of course.

>

> A Foresight Prince of India

> Prem Chopra

>

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

>

> Dear Shri Primus:

>

> Another important thing I left out.....

>

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

got

> enough.

>

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

but

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

may

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

>

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

will

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

> >

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

his

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

not

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

should

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

who

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> regarding

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

> vedic

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

be

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> >

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

this

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

between

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

and

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

> those

> > protocols.

> >

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

> the

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

> might

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

> 10,000

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

> has

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

perceived

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

away.

> >

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

best

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

Of

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

> or

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

> not

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

get

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> astrologer's

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

about

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

> hurt

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

> > majority.

> >

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

Grace,

> I

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

> providing

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

between

> > the

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

> > >

> > > As a regular practice?

> > >

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > >

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

findings,

> > if

> > > they would care to share?

> > >

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Mohanraaam

 

God BLess U

 

May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i am

Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only likewise all

the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to be accurate. One thing

all must know is if the person is destined for me to elaborate there asking

nobody other can satisfy that person. This is my believe.

 

Keep It Short And Simple.

 

Prem

 

 

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

[vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

Dear Pramchopra:

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

member confirm that in this list.

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

culled from them himself!

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

itself.

 

Blessings,

Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

<pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

>

> God Bless U

>

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

me every moment of course.

>

> A Foresight Prince of India

> Prem Chopra

>

>

>

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

>

> Dear Shri Primus:

>

> Another important thing I left out.....

>

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

got

> enough.

>

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

but

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

may

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

>

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

will

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

> >

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

his

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

not

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

should

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

who

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> regarding

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

> vedic

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

be

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> >

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

this

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

between

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

and

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

> those

> > protocols.

> >

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

> the

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

> might

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

> 10,000

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

> has

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

perceived

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

away.

> >

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

best

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

Of

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

> or

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

> not

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

get

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> astrologer's

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

about

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

> hurt

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

> > majority.

> >

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

Grace,

> I

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

> providing

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

between

> > the

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

> > >

> > > As a regular practice?

> > >

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > >

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

findings,

> > if

> > > they would care to share?

> > >

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Mr.Prem,

I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You

said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest person be

criminal. Then an honest person cannot have underhand dealings. I dont have

coarse hair also. I am not economical also. If I get a rupee or a lakh, I tend

to spend it. so, this also doesn't match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact,

I am bold enough to question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed.

But, I boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my conscience.

I never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to people irrespective of

their status. I am not methodical too.

 

So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

 

I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your

suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well established methods.

This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman. All the people who

requires some guidance or predictions are not pundits in this branch. So,

whatever we say, they take it 100% pc. If we give some prediction which are not

relevant or pertinent to their horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

psychologically but you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

act. For every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the court

of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply wisdom and be

judicious in giving your reply.

 

This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am in

general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

 

God bless u,

 

with regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mohanraaam

 

 

 

God BLess U

 

 

 

May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i am

Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only likewise all

the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to be accurate. One thing

all must know is if the person is destined for me to elaborate there asking

nobody other can satisfy that person. This is my believe.

 

 

 

Keep It Short And Simple.

 

 

 

Prem

 

 

 

 

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

vedic astrology

 

Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

 

[vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

 

 

Dear Pramchopra:

 

 

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

 

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

 

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

 

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

 

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

 

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

 

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

 

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

 

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

 

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

 

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

 

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

 

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

 

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

 

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

 

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

 

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

 

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

 

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

 

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

 

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

 

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

 

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

 

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

 

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

 

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

 

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

 

member confirm that in this list.

 

 

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

 

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

 

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

 

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

 

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

 

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

 

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

 

possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

 

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

 

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

 

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

 

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

 

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

 

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

 

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

 

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

 

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

 

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

 

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

 

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

 

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

 

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

 

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

 

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

 

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

 

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

 

astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

 

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

 

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

 

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

 

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

 

culled from them himself!

 

 

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

 

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

 

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

 

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

 

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

 

itself.

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

 

<pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

 

>

 

> God Bless U

 

>

 

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

 

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

 

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

 

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

 

me every moment of course.

 

>

 

> A Foresight Prince of India

 

> Prem Chopra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

 

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

 

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

 

>

 

> Dear Shri Primus:

 

>

 

> Another important thing I left out.....

 

>

 

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

 

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

 

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

 

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

 

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

 

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

 

got

 

> enough.

 

>

 

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

 

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

 

but

 

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

 

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

 

may

 

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

 

>

 

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

 

will

 

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

 

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

 

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

 

>

 

> Blessed be.

 

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

 

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

 

> >

 

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

 

his

 

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

 

not

 

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

 

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

 

should

 

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

 

who

 

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

 

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

 

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

 

> regarding

 

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

 

> vedic

 

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

 

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

 

be

 

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

 

> >

 

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

 

this

 

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

 

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

 

between

 

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

 

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

 

and

 

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

 

> those

 

> > protocols.

 

> >

 

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

 

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

 

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

 

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

 

> the

 

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

 

> might

 

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

 

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

 

> 10,000

 

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

 

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

 

> has

 

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

 

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

 

perceived

 

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

 

away.

 

> >

 

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

 

best

 

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

 

Of

 

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

 

> or

 

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

 

> not

 

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

 

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

 

get

 

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

 

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

 

> astrologer's

 

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

 

about

 

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

 

> hurt

 

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

 

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

 

> > majority.

 

> >

 

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

 

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

 

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

 

Grace,

 

> I

 

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

 

> providing

 

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

 

> >

 

> > Blessed be.

 

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

> >

 

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

 

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

 

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

 

between

 

> > the

 

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

 

> > >

 

> > > As a regular practice?

 

> > >

 

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

 

> > >

 

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

 

findings,

 

> > if

 

> > > they would care to share?

 

> > >

 

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

 

> > >

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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Dear Jyotisha,

 

Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods, sadhana and

association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and Arudhapada..

Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of human as

they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas should

focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs true

Jyotisha from the weak one.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

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email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

 

jraman n napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Mr.Prem,

> I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You

> said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest

> person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have underhand

> dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical also. If I

> get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also doesn't

> match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough to

> question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

> boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to

> people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

>

> So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

>

> I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your

> suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well established

> methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman.

> All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are not

> pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it 100% pc. If

> we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent to their

> horoscope, then, it not only affects the member psychologically but

> you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this act. For

> every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the

> court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply

> wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

>

> This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am

> in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

>

> God bless u,

>

> with regards,

>

> janakiraman

>

>

> Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964

> <pramchopra1964%40>>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> explanation withJanakiraman's case...

>

> Dear Mohanraaam

>

> God BLess U

>

> May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i

> am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only

> likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to

> be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is destined for

> me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that person.

> This is my believe.

>

> Keep It Short And Simple.

>

> Prem

>

>

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> vedic astrology

>

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

>

> [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

>

> Dear Pramchopra:

>

> It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

>

> Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

>

> checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

>

> avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

>

> In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

>

> detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

>

> accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

>

> To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

>

> possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

>

> his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

>

> man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

>

> dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

>

> likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

>

> lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

>

> JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

>

> You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

>

> one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

>

> whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

>

> with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

>

> everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

>

> would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

>

> predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

>

> If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

>

> not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

>

> For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

>

> written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

>

> balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

>

> member confirm that in this list.

>

> While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

>

> to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

>

> when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

>

> astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

>

> astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

>

> horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

>

> to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

>

> possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

>

> not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

>

> In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

>

> axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

>

> who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

>

> usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

>

> astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

>

> literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

>

> claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

>

> claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

>

> more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

>

> accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

>

> sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

>

> minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

>

> if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

>

> doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

>

> Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

>

> your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

>

> Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

>

> astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

>

> expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

>

> respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

>

> astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

>

> admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

>

> culled from them himself!

>

> The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

>

> idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

>

> but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

>

> decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

>

> subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

>

> itself.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

>

> <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Dakshinastrologer

>

> >

>

> > God Bless U

>

> >

>

> > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

>

> more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

>

> postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

>

> with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

>

> me every moment of course.

>

> >

>

> > A Foresight Prince of India

>

> > Prem Chopra

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

>

> (compatibility between astro and client) - update

>

> >

>

> > Dear Shri Primus:

>

> >

>

> > Another important thing I left out.....

>

> >

>

> > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

>

> > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

>

> > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

>

> > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

>

> > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

>

> > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

>

> got

>

> > enough.

>

> >

>

> > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

>

> > Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

>

> but

>

> > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

>

> > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

>

> may

>

> > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

>

> >

>

> > But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

>

> will

>

> > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

>

> > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

>

> > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

>

> >

>

> > Blessed be.

>

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

> >

>

> > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

>

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Shri. Primus:

>

> > >

>

> > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

>

> his

>

> > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

>

> not

>

> > > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

>

> > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

>

> should

>

> > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

>

> who

>

> > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

>

> > > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

>

> > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

>

> > regarding

>

> > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

>

> > vedic

>

> > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

>

> > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

>

> be

>

> > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

>

> > >

>

> > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

>

> this

>

> > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

>

> > > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

>

> between

>

> > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

>

> > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

>

> and

>

> > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

>

> > those

>

> > > protocols.

>

> > >

>

> > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

>

> > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

>

> > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

>

> > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

>

> > the

>

> > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

>

> > might

>

> > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

>

> > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

>

> > 10,000

>

> > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

>

> > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

>

> > has

>

> > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

>

> > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

>

> perceived

>

> > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

>

> away.

>

> > >

>

> > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

>

> best

>

> > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

>

> Of

>

> > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

>

> > or

>

> > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

>

> > not

>

> > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

>

> > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

>

> get

>

> > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

>

> > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

>

> > astrologer's

>

> > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

>

> about

>

> > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

>

> > hurt

>

> > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

>

> > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

>

> > > majority.

>

> > >

>

> > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

>

> > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

>

> > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

>

> Grace,

>

> > I

>

> > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

>

> > providing

>

> > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

>

> > >

>

> > > Blessed be.

>

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> > >

>

> > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

>

> > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

>

> > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

>

> between

>

> > > the

>

> > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > As a regular practice?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

>

> findings,

>

> > > if

>

> > > > they would care to share?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

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>

> ____________ __

>

> > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos

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> new Car Finder tool.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jraman

 

God Bless U

 

it is a matter of General view not match your personality it was only finds of

Planet status at that time while attending the query.

it is my finding only not similarity about your observation. honesty relate to

firm will but differs when others apply on you in terms of dishonesty.

my theory is simple accept it if you find it good reject it if you find it bad.

I am not last person to you to handle the things.

 

Let the race begin with my findings about 22 years and yours observations in

astrology and Spirituality.(OM MA NI SA HA NA)

 

A Foresight Prince of India

 

Prem Chopra

 

jraman n <njraman66

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:33:10 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

Dear Mr.Prem,

I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You said honest

and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest person be criminal.

Then an honest person cannot have underhand dealings. I dont have coarse hair

also. I am not economical also. If I get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it.

so, this also doesn't match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold

enough to question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my conscience. I

never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to people irrespective of their

status. I am not methodical too.

 

So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

 

I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your suggestions

or predictions based on time tested and well established methods. This is not a

joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman. All the people who requires some

guidance or predictions are not pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say,

they take it 100% pc. If we give some prediction which are not relevant or

pertinent to their horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

psychologically but you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

act. For every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the court

of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply wisdom and be

judicious in giving your reply.

 

This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am in general

expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

 

God bless u,

 

with regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@ >

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Mohanraaam

 

God BLess U

 

May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i am

Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only likewise all

the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to be accurate. One thing

all must know is if the person is destined for me to elaborate there asking

nobody other can satisfy that person. This is my believe.

 

Keep It Short And Simple.

 

Prem

 

 

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam@ . co.in>

 

vedic astrology

 

Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

 

[vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Pramchopra:

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

 

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

 

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

 

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

 

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

 

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

 

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

 

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

 

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

 

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

 

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

 

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

 

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

 

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

 

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

 

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

 

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

 

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

 

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

 

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

 

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

 

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

 

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

 

member confirm that in this list.

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

 

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

 

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

 

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

 

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

 

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

 

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

 

possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

 

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

 

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

 

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

 

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

 

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

 

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

 

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

 

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

 

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

 

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

 

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

 

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

 

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

 

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

 

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

 

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

 

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

 

astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

 

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

 

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

 

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

 

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

 

culled from them himself!

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

 

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

 

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

 

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

 

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

 

itself.

 

Blessings,

 

Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

 

<pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

 

>

 

> God Bless U

 

>

 

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

 

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

 

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

 

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

 

me every moment of course.

 

>

 

> A Foresight Prince of India

 

> Prem Chopra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

 

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

 

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

 

>

 

> Dear Shri Primus:

 

>

 

> Another important thing I left out.....

 

>

 

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

 

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

 

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

 

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

 

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

 

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

 

got

 

> enough.

 

>

 

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

 

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

 

but

 

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

 

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

 

may

 

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

 

>

 

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

 

will

 

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

 

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

 

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

 

>

 

> Blessed be.

 

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

 

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

 

> >

 

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

 

his

 

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

 

not

 

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

 

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

 

should

 

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

 

who

 

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

 

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

 

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

 

> regarding

 

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

 

> vedic

 

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

 

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

 

be

 

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

 

> >

 

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

 

this

 

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

 

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

 

between

 

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

 

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

 

and

 

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

 

> those

 

> > protocols.

 

> >

 

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

 

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

 

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

 

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

 

> the

 

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

 

> might

 

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

 

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

 

> 10,000

 

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

 

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

 

> has

 

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

 

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

 

perceived

 

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

 

away.

 

> >

 

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

 

best

 

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

 

Of

 

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

 

> or

 

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

 

> not

 

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

 

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

 

get

 

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

 

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

 

> astrologer's

 

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

 

about

 

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

 

> hurt

 

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

 

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

 

> > majority.

 

> >

 

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

 

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

 

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

 

Grace,

 

> I

 

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

 

> providing

 

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

 

> >

 

> > Blessed be.

 

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

> >

 

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

 

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

 

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

 

between

 

> > the

 

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

 

> > >

 

> > > As a regular practice?

 

> > >

 

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

 

> > >

 

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

 

findings,

 

> > if

 

> > > they would care to share?

 

> > >

 

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

 

> > >

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal Ji

 

God Bless U

 

After reading your this posting I find the insight of other things of how about

Alphabet of Famous name concerned with Pad of Nakshatra may be that quailty will

be on the match to the person.

 

I thankyou for giving me the foresight to that extent. Why other astrologers

can't work like you. I am giving my view only what the data has been given to me

only.

 

A Foresight Prince of India

Prem Chopra

 

 

 

Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:39:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods, sadhana and

association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and Arudhapada..

Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of human as

they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas should

focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs true

Jyotisha from the weak one.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

 

jraman n napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Mr.Prem,

> I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You

> said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest

> person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have underhand

> dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical also. If I

> get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also doesn't

> match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough to

> question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

> boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to

> people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

>

> So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

>

> I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your

> suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well established

> methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman.

> All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are not

> pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it 100% pc. If

> we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent to their

> horoscope, then, it not only affects the member psychologically but

> you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this act. For

> every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the

> court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply

> wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

>

> This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am

> in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

>

> God bless u,

>

> with regards,

>

> janakiraman

>

>

> Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@

> <pramchopra1 964%40. com>>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

>

> Dear Mohanraaam

>

> God BLess U

>

> May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i

> am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only

> likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to

> be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is destined for

> me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that person.

> This is my believe.

>

> Keep It Short And Simple.

>

> Prem

>

>

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam@ . co.in>

>

> vedic astrology

>

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

>

> [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

>

> Dear Pramchopra:

>

> It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

>

> Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

>

> checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

>

> avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

>

> In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

>

> detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

>

> accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

>

> To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

>

> possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

>

> his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

>

> man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

>

> dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

>

> likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

>

> lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

>

> JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

>

> You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

>

> one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

>

> whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

>

> with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

>

> everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

>

> would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

>

> predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

>

> If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

>

> not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

>

> For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

>

> written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

>

> balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

>

> member confirm that in this list.

>

> While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

>

> to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

>

> when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

>

> astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

>

> astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

>

> horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

>

> to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

>

> possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

>

> not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

>

> In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

>

> axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

>

> who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

>

> usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

>

> astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

>

> literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

>

> claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

>

> claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

>

> more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

>

> accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

>

> sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

>

> minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

>

> if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

>

> doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

>

> Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

>

> your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

>

> Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

>

> astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

>

> expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

>

> respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

>

> astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

>

> admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

>

> culled from them himself!

>

> The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

>

> idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

>

> but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

>

> decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

>

> subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

>

> itself.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

>

> <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Dakshinastrologer

>

> >

>

> > God Bless U

>

> >

>

> > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

>

> more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

>

> postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

>

> with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

>

> me every moment of course.

>

> >

>

> > A Foresight Prince of India

>

> > Prem Chopra

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

>

> > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

>

> (compatibility between astro and client) - update

>

> >

>

> > Dear Shri Primus:

>

> >

>

> > Another important thing I left out.....

>

> >

>

> > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

>

> > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

>

> > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

>

> > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

>

> > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

>

> > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

>

> got

>

> > enough.

>

> >

>

> > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

>

> > Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

>

> but

>

> > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

>

> > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

>

> may

>

> > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

>

> >

>

> > But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

>

> will

>

> > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

>

> > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

>

> > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

>

> >

>

> > Blessed be.

>

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

>

> >

>

> > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

>

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Shri. Primus:

>

> > >

>

> > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

>

> his

>

> > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

>

> not

>

> > > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

>

> > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

>

> should

>

> > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

>

> who

>

> > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

>

> > > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

>

> > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

>

> > regarding

>

> > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

>

> > vedic

>

> > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

>

> > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

>

> be

>

> > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

>

> > >

>

> > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

>

> this

>

> > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

>

> > > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

>

> between

>

> > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

>

> > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

>

> and

>

> > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

>

> > those

>

> > > protocols.

>

> > >

>

> > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

>

> > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

>

> > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

>

> > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

>

> > the

>

> > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

>

> > might

>

> > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

>

> > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

>

> > 10,000

>

> > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

>

> > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

>

> > has

>

> > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

>

> > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

>

> perceived

>

> > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

>

> away.

>

> > >

>

> > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

>

> best

>

> > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

>

> Of

>

> > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

>

> > or

>

> > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

>

> > not

>

> > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

>

> > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

>

> get

>

> > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

>

> > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

>

> > astrologer's

>

> > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

>

> about

>

> > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

>

> > hurt

>

> > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

>

> > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

>

> > > majority.

>

> > >

>

> > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

>

> > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

>

> > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

>

> Grace,

>

> > I

>

> > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

>

> > providing

>

> > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

>

> > >

>

> > > Blessed be.

>

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

> > >

>

> > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

>

> > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

>

> > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

>

> between

>

> > > the

>

> > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > As a regular practice?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

>

> findings,

>

> > > if

>

> > > > they would care to share?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

>

> ____________ __

>

> > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos

>

> new Car Finder tool.

>

> > http://autos. / carfinder/

>

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Prem,

Thank you for your reply. Let us drop the matter with this. Bcos, I am

seeing in this group, for the last few weeks, so many mails and replies and

spicy exchanges. I am really pained to see those, bcos, we are all well educated

and have rational mind. Let us behave as good human beings and leave ego in the

mind, be courteous to others, if not helpful. Healthy discussion about the

subject and exchange of information are what essential.

 

God bless all,

 

regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 6:31:57 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

Dear Jraman

 

God Bless U

 

it is a matter of General view not match your personality it was only finds of

Planet status at that time while attending the query.

it is my finding only not similarity about your observation. honesty relate to

firm will but differs when others apply on you in terms of dishonesty.

my theory is simple accept it if you find it good reject it if you find it bad.

I am not last person to you to handle the things.

 

Let the race begin with my findings about 22 years and yours observations in

astrology and Spirituality. (OM MA NI SA HA NA)

 

A Foresight Prince of India

 

Prem Chopra

 

jraman n <njraman66 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:33:10 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Mr.Prem,

I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You said honest

and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest person be criminal.

Then an honest person cannot have underhand dealings. I dont have coarse hair

also. I am not economical also. If I get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it.

so, this also doesn't match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold

enough to question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my conscience. I

never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to people irrespective of their

status. I am not methodical too.

 

So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

 

I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your suggestions

or predictions based on time tested and well established methods. This is not a

joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman. All the people who requires some

guidance or predictions are not pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say,

they take it 100% pc. If we give some prediction which are not relevant or

pertinent to their horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

psychologically but you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

act. For every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the court

of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply wisdom and be

judicious in giving your reply.

 

This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am in general

expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

 

God bless u,

 

with regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@ >

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Mohanraaam

 

God BLess U

 

May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i am

Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only likewise all

the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to be accurate. One thing

all must know is if the person is destined for me to elaborate there asking

nobody other can satisfy that person. This is my believe.

 

Keep It Short And Simple.

 

Prem

 

 

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam@ . co.in>

 

vedic astrology

 

Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

 

[vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Pramchopra:

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

 

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

 

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

 

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

 

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

 

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

 

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

 

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

 

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

 

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

 

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

 

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

 

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

 

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

 

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

 

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

 

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

 

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

 

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

 

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

 

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

 

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

 

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

 

member confirm that in this list.

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

 

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

 

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

 

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

 

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

 

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

 

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

 

possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

 

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

 

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

 

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

 

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

 

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

 

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

 

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

 

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

 

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

 

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

 

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

 

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

 

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

 

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

 

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

 

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

 

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

 

astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

 

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

 

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

 

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

 

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

 

culled from them himself!

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

 

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

 

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

 

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

 

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

 

itself.

 

Blessings,

 

Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

 

<pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

 

>

 

> God Bless U

 

>

 

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

 

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

 

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

 

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

 

me every moment of course.

 

>

 

> A Foresight Prince of India

 

> Prem Chopra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

 

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

 

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

 

>

 

> Dear Shri Primus:

 

>

 

> Another important thing I left out.....

 

>

 

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

 

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

 

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

 

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

 

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

 

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

 

got

 

> enough.

 

>

 

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

 

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

 

but

 

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

 

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

 

may

 

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

 

>

 

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

 

will

 

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

 

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

 

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

 

>

 

> Blessed be.

 

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

 

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

 

> >

 

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

 

his

 

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

 

not

 

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

 

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

 

should

 

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

 

who

 

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

 

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

 

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

 

> regarding

 

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

 

> vedic

 

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

 

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

 

be

 

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

 

> >

 

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

 

this

 

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

 

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

 

between

 

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

 

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

 

and

 

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

 

> those

 

> > protocols.

 

> >

 

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

 

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

 

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

 

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

 

> the

 

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

 

> might

 

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

 

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

 

> 10,000

 

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

 

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

 

> has

 

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

 

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

 

perceived

 

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

 

away.

 

> >

 

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

 

best

 

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

 

Of

 

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

 

> or

 

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

 

> not

 

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

 

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

 

get

 

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

 

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

 

> astrologer's

 

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

 

about

 

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

 

> hurt

 

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

 

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

 

> > majority.

 

> >

 

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

 

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

 

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

 

Grace,

 

> I

 

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

 

> providing

 

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

 

> >

 

> > Blessed be.

 

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

> >

 

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

 

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

 

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

 

between

 

> > the

 

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

 

> > >

 

> > > As a regular practice?

 

> > >

 

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

 

> > >

 

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

 

findings,

 

> > if

 

> > > they would care to share?

 

> > >

 

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

 

> > >

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

 

____________ __

 

> Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos

 

new Car Finder tool.

 

> http://autos. / carfinder/

 

>

 

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jraman

 

God Bless U

 

Thanks. Thats the spirit one should have to adopt always. Sorry for being offen

if you find bad from me.

 

Prem

 

 

 

jraman n <njraman66

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:22:37 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

 

Dear Mr.Prem,

Thank you for your reply. Let us drop the matter with this. Bcos, I am seeing in

this group, for the last few weeks, so many mails and replies and spicy

exchanges. I am really pained to see those, bcos, we are all well educated and

have rational mind. Let us behave as good human beings and leave ego in the

mind, be courteous to others, if not helpful. Healthy discussion about the

subject and exchange of information are what essential.

 

God bless all,

 

regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@ >

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 6:31:57 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Jraman

 

God Bless U

 

it is a matter of General view not match your personality it was only finds of

Planet status at that time while attending the query.

it is my finding only not similarity about your observation. honesty relate to

firm will but differs when others apply on you in terms of dishonesty.

my theory is simple accept it if you find it good reject it if you find it bad.

I am not last person to you to handle the things.

 

Let the race begin with my findings about 22 years and yours observations in

astrology and Spirituality. (OM MA NI SA HA NA)

 

A Foresight Prince of India

 

Prem Chopra

 

jraman n <njraman66 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

vedic astrology

Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:33:10 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Mr.Prem,

I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You said honest

and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest person be criminal.

Then an honest person cannot have underhand dealings. I dont have coarse hair

also. I am not economical also. If I get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it.

so, this also doesn't match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold

enough to question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my conscience. I

never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to people irrespective of their

status. I am not methodical too.

 

So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

 

I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your suggestions

or predictions based on time tested and well established methods. This is not a

joke. We are playing in the minds of a layman. All the people who requires some

guidance or predictions are not pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say,

they take it 100% pc. If we give some prediction which are not relevant or

pertinent to their horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

psychologically but you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

act. For every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the court

of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply wisdom and be

judicious in giving your reply.

 

This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am in general

expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

 

God bless u,

 

with regards,

 

janakiraman

 

 

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964@ >

vedic astrology

Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Mohanraaam

 

God BLess U

 

May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that i am

Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart only likewise all

the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find to be accurate. One thing

all must know is if the person is destined for me to elaborate there asking

nobody other can satisfy that person. This is my believe.

 

Keep It Short And Simple.

 

Prem

 

 

 

mohanraaam <mohanraaam@ . co.in>

 

vedic astrology

 

Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

 

[vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman' s case...

 

Dear Pramchopra:

 

It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

 

Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

 

checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

 

avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

 

In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

 

detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

 

accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

 

To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

 

possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

 

his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

 

man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

 

dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

 

likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

 

lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

 

JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

 

You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

 

one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

 

whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

 

with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

 

everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

 

would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

 

predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

 

If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

 

not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

 

For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

 

written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

 

balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

 

member confirm that in this list.

 

While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

 

to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

 

when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

 

astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

 

astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

 

horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

 

to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

 

possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

 

not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

 

In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

 

axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

 

who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

 

usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

 

astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

 

literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

 

claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

 

claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

 

more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

 

accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

 

sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

 

minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

 

if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

 

doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

 

Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

 

your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

 

Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

 

astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

 

expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

 

respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

 

astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

 

admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

 

culled from them himself!

 

The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

 

idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

 

but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

 

decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

 

subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

 

itself.

 

Blessings,

 

Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

 

<pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Dakshinastrologer

 

>

 

> God Bless U

 

>

 

> My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

 

more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

 

postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

 

with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

 

me every moment of course.

 

>

 

> A Foresight Prince of India

 

> Prem Chopra

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

 

> vedic astrology

 

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

 

> [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

 

(compatibility between astro and client) - update

 

>

 

> Dear Shri Primus:

 

>

 

> Another important thing I left out.....

 

>

 

> If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

 

> good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

 

> astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

 

> efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

 

> client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

 

> gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

 

got

 

> enough.

 

>

 

> If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

 

> Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

 

but

 

> they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

 

> usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

 

may

 

> not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

 

>

 

> But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

 

will

 

> spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

 

> objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

 

> might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

 

>

 

> Blessed be.

 

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

 

>

 

> vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

 

> <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri. Primus:

 

> >

 

> > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

 

his

 

> > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

 

not

 

> > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

 

> > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

 

should

 

> > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

 

who

 

> > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

 

> > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

 

> > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

 

> regarding

 

> > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

 

> vedic

 

> > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

 

> > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

 

be

 

> > most cordial for both parties concerned.

 

> >

 

> > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

 

this

 

> > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

 

> > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

 

between

 

> > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

 

> > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

 

and

 

> > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

 

> those

 

> > protocols.

 

> >

 

> > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

 

> > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

 

> > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

 

> > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

 

> the

 

> > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

 

> might

 

> > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

 

> > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

 

> 10,000

 

> > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

 

> > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

 

> has

 

> > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

 

> > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

 

perceived

 

> > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

 

away.

 

> >

 

> > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

 

best

 

> > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

 

Of

 

> > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

 

> or

 

> > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

 

> not

 

> > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

 

> > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

 

get

 

> > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

 

> > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

 

> astrologer's

 

> > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

 

about

 

> > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

 

> hurt

 

> > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

 

> > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

 

> > majority.

 

> >

 

> > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

 

> > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

 

> > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

 

Grace,

 

> I

 

> > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

 

> providing

 

> > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

 

> >

 

> > Blessed be.

 

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

> >

 

> > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

 

> > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

 

> > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

 

between

 

> > the

 

> > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

 

> > >

 

> > > As a regular practice?

 

> > >

 

> > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

 

> > >

 

> > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

 

findings,

 

> > if

 

> > > they would care to share?

 

> > >

 

> > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

 

> > >

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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[Guest guest]

dear all,

 

i think there is some affliction to this group, as time and again controversies

arose in this forum with word brickbats. Many a times shri. sanjayji and Mr.

pvrji had requested all the members to be cool and not to enter into unwanted

agreements.

 

also, i find that mr. mohanramji is offended very easily whenever there is a

questioning to shri. dakshinamurthyji which in my opinion is not necessary as

people are bound to raise their doubts & opinions freely.

 

as long as we have freedom of speech, let people say anything to anybody

(avoiding unparliamentary language), just by somebody's saying the derth of

knowledge & opinions of gurus will not diminish nor their image is tarnished.

 

the above is my opinion to have patience considering the subject, knowledge and

maturity of the members.

 

i beg pardon, if my above opionion hurts anybody and request all not to stretch

this thread as i will not be either replying to them or taking cognizance of the

thread.

 

with regards to elders & gurus and best wishes to youngers,

 

i remain,

 

 

T. V. Rao

+91 9879110682

 

-

Pram Chopra <pramchopra1964

Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:12 pm

Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits - explanation

withJanakiraman's case...

vedic astrology

 

 

> Dear Mohanraaam

>

> God BLess U

>

> May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that

> i am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart

> only likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which he

> find to be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is

> destined for me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy

> that person. This is my believe.

>

> Keep It Short And Simple.

>

> Prem

>

>

>

> mohanraaam <mohanraaam

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> explanation withJanakiraman's case...

>

> Dear Pramchopra:

>

> It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

> Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know if

>

> checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

> avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

>

> In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

> detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

> accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

>

> To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim to

>

> possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

>

> his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

>

> man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

> dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

> likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

> lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

> JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

>

> You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

>

> one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

> whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

> with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

> everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

>

> would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

> predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

> If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

>

> not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

>

> For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

> written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

> balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

> member confirm that in this list.

>

> While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

>

> to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

> when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

>

> astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

> astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

> horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

> to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

> possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

> not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

>

> In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

> axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

> who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

> usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

> astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

> literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and again

>

> claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

> claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which is

>

> more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

> accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

> sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

> minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

>

> if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

> doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

> Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

> your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

> Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

> astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was an

>

> expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

>

> respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of half-baked

>

> astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

> admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

> culled from them himself!

>

> The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

> idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

> but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

> decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

> subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

> itself.

>

> Blessings,

> Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> >

> > God Bless U

> >

> > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

> more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

> postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

> with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

>

> me every moment of course.

> >

> > A Foresight Prince of India

> > Prem Chopra

> >

> >

> >

> > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> > vedic astrology

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

> (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> >

> > Dear Shri Primus:

> >

> > Another important thing I left out.....

> >

> > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

> > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

> > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

> > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

> > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

> > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

> got

> > enough.

> >

> > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

>

> > Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

> but

> > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

> > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

> may

> > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> >

> > But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

> will

> > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

> > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> >

> > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

> > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> > >

> > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

> his

> > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

> not

> > > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

>

> > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

> should

> > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

> who

> > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always provide

>

> > > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

> > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> > regarding

> > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

> > vedic

> > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

> > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

>

> be

> > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> > >

> > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

> this

> > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

> > > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

> between

> > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna Maarga

>

> > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

> and

> > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

> > those

> > > protocols.

> > >

> > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If the

>

> > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or two

>

> > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

>

> > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

>

> > the

> > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

> > might

> > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person has

>

> > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

> > 10,000

> > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

>

> > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

> > has

> > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

> perceived

> > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

> away.

> > >

> > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

> best

> > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

> Of

> > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is good

>

> > or

> > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

>

> > not

> > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

> > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

> get

> > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

> > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> > astrologer's

> > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

> about

> > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

> > hurt

> > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

> > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

> > > majority.

> > >

> > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

>

> > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

> > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

> Grace,

> > I

> > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

> > providing

> > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> > >

> > > Blessed be.

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

> > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

> between

> > > the

> > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the client?

> > > >

> > > > As a regular practice?

> > > >

> > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

> findings,

> > > if

> > > > they would care to share?

> > > >

> > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

You are quite write and balanced, I dont know astrology but i understand

the constraints, Take a case of author of Ramayana-'Valmiki', He was a

wicked man, his horoscope w'd be depicting same, then he transformed

with the blessings of Narad.

 

Now, a behavior change may or may not consistently but leading to a

person towards shedding bad karmas and thus enablnig him to be a nice

one, how can be fixed by astrologer, as he sees fixed configuration of

plantes, the static one, may be, Valmiki w'd have done murders before

his transformation began, will u see a debilitated planet in his 9'th or

some malific at is 9'th place.

 

I m trying to underscore with a handful knowledge and low insight, that

fake yogi like people becomes judgemental and still use astrology to

shield their objective.

 

Definitely, a native has to be seen under dynamic parameters. it's

interesting that that self claimed yogi which doesnt stand in very first

definition of yoga sutra - " Yogah Chittivritish Nirodhah " has not posted

his horoscope or birth details. therefore we cant judge him, how big

yogi has been. may be doing some asaans and some breathing excercises.

that's it.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme

wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Jyotisha,

>

> Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

> Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods, sadhana and

> association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and

Arudhapada..

> Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of human as

> they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas should

> focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs true

> Jyotisha from the weak one.

>

>

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

>

> jraman n napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear Mr.Prem,

> > I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You

> > said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest

> > person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have underhand

> > dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical also. If

I

> > get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also doesn't

> > match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough to

> > question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

> > boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> > conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to

> > people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

> >

> > So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

> >

> > I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your

> > suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well established

> > methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a

layman.

> > All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are not

> > pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it 100% pc.

If

> > we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent to their

> > horoscope, then, it not only affects the member psychologically but

> > you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this act. For

> > every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the

> > court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply

> > wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

> >

> > This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am

> > in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

> >

> > God bless u,

> >

> > with regards,

> >

> > janakiraman

> >

> >

> > Pram Chopra pramchopra1964

> > <pramchopra1964%40>>

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>

> > Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > explanation withJanakiraman's case...

> >

> > Dear Mohanraaam

> >

> > God BLess U

> >

> > May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that

i

> > am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart

only

> > likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find

to

> > be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is destined

for

> > me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that person.

> > This is my believe.

> >

> > Keep It Short And Simple.

> >

> > Prem

> >

> >

> >

> > mohanraaam mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >

> > vedic astrology

> >

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> >

> > [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> >

> > Dear Pramchopra:

> >

> > It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

> >

> > Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know

if

> >

> > checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

> >

> > avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

> >

> > In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

> >

> > detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

> >

> > accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

> >

> > To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim

to

> >

> > possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

> >

> > his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

> >

> > man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

> >

> > dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

> >

> > likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

> >

> > lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

> >

> > JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

> >

> > You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

> >

> > one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

> >

> > whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

> >

> > with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

> >

> > everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

> >

> > would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

> >

> > predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

> >

> > If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

> >

> > not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

> >

> > For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

> >

> > written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

> >

> > balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

> >

> > member confirm that in this list.

> >

> > While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

> >

> > to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

> >

> > when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

> >

> > astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

> >

> > astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

> >

> > horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

> >

> > to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

> >

> > possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

> >

> > not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

> >

> > In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

> >

> > axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

> >

> > who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

> >

> > usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

> >

> > astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

> >

> > literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and

again

> >

> > claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

> >

> > claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which

is

> >

> > more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

> >

> > accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

> >

> > sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

> >

> > minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

> >

> > if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

> >

> > doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

> >

> > Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

> >

> > your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

> >

> > Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

> >

> > astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was

an

> >

> > expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

> >

> > respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of

half-baked

> >

> > astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

> >

> > admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

> >

> > culled from them himself!

> >

> > The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

> >

> > idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

> >

> > but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

> >

> > decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

> >

> > subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

> >

> > itself.

> >

> > Blessings,

> >

> > Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> >

> > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> >

> > >

> >

> > > God Bless U

> >

> > >

> >

> > > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

> >

> > more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

> >

> > postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

> >

> > with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

> >

> > me every moment of course.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > A Foresight Prince of India

> >

> > > Prem Chopra

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> >

> > > vedic astrology

> >

> > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> >

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

> >

> > (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dear Shri Primus:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Another important thing I left out.....

> >

> > >

> >

> > > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

> >

> > > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

> >

> > > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

> >

> > > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

> >

> > > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

> >

> > > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

> >

> > got

> >

> > > enough.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

> >

> > > Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

> >

> > but

> >

> > > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

> >

> > > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

> >

> > may

> >

> > > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

> >

> > will

> >

> > > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> >

> > > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

> >

> > > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Blessed be.

> >

> > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> >

> > >

> >

> > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

> >

> > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

> >

> > his

> >

> > > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

> >

> > not

> >

> > > > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

> >

> > > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

> >

> > should

> >

> > > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

> >

> > who

> >

> > > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always

provide

> >

> > > > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

> >

> > > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> >

> > > regarding

> >

> > > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

> >

> > > vedic

> >

> > > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

> >

> > > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

> >

> > be

> >

> > > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

> >

> > this

> >

> > > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

> >

> > > > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

> >

> > between

> >

> > > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna

Maarga

> >

> > > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

> >

> > and

> >

> > > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

> >

> > > those

> >

> > > > protocols.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If

the

> >

> > > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or

two

> >

> > > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

> >

> > > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

> >

> > > the

> >

> > > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

> >

> > > might

> >

> > > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person

has

> >

> > > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

> >

> > > 10,000

> >

> > > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

> >

> > > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

> >

> > > has

> >

> > > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> >

> > > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

> >

> > perceived

> >

> > > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

> >

> > away.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

> >

> > best

> >

> > > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

> >

> > Of

> >

> > > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is

good

> >

> > > or

> >

> > > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

> >

> > > not

> >

> > > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

> >

> > > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

> >

> > get

> >

> > > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

> >

> > > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> >

> > > astrologer's

> >

> > > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

> >

> > about

> >

> > > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

> >

> > > hurt

> >

> > > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

> >

> > > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

> >

> > > > majority.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

> >

> > > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

> >

> > > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

> >

> > Grace,

> >

> > > I

> >

> > > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

> >

> > > providing

> >

> > > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Blessed be.

> >

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

> >

> > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

> >

> > > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

> >

> > between

> >

> > > > the

> >

> > > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the

client?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > As a regular practice?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

> >

> > findings,

> >

> > > > if

> >

> > > > > they would care to share?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> >

> > ____________ __

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Lalit,

 

Are You kidding? Static? What about dasas? and what is more..What about

prasna?

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

litsol napisa?(a):

>

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> You are quite write and balanced, I dont know astrology but i understand

> the constraints, Take a case of author of Ramayana-'Valmiki' , He was a

> wicked man, his horoscope w'd be depicting same, then he transformed

> with the blessings of Narad.

>

> Now, a behavior change may or may not consistently but leading to a

> person towards shedding bad karmas and thus enablnig him to be a nice

> one, how can be fixed by astrologer, as he sees fixed configuration of

> plantes, the static one, may be, Valmiki w'd have done murders before

> his transformation began, will u see a debilitated planet in his 9'th or

> some malific at is 9'th place.

>

> I m trying to underscore with a handful knowledge and low insight, that

> fake yogi like people becomes judgemental and still use astrology to

> shield their objective.

>

> Definitely, a native has to be seen under dynamic parameters. it's

> interesting that that self claimed yogi which doesnt stand in very first

> definition of yoga sutra - " Yogah Chittivritish Nirodhah " has not posted

> his horoscope or birth details. therefore we cant judge him, how big

> yogi has been. may be doing some asaans and some breathing excercises.

> that's it.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Jyotisha,

> >

> > Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

> > Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods, sadhana and

> > association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and

> Arudhapada..

> > Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of human as

> > they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas should

> > focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs true

> > Jyotisha from the weak one.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> >

> > jraman n napisa?(a):

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Prem,

> > > I read your reply. The predictions themselves are contradictory. You

> > > said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a honest

> > > person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have underhand

> > > dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical also. If

> I

> > > get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also doesn't

> > > match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough to

> > > question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed. But, I

> > > boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> > > conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give respect to

> > > people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

> > >

> > > So, please don't give points which are generic and not relevant.

> > >

> > > I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and give your

> > > suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well established

> > > methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a

> layman.

> > > All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are not

> > > pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it 100% pc.

> If

> > > we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent to their

> > > horoscope, then, it not only affects the member psychologically but

> > > you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this act. For

> > > every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in the

> > > court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to apply

> > > wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

> > >

> > > This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular person. I am

> > > in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me also.

> > >

> > > God bless u,

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > >

> > > janakiraman

> > >

> > >

> > > Pram Chopra pramchopra1964@ ...

> > > <pramchopra1 964%40. com>>

> > > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > >

> > > Dear Mohanraaam

> > >

> > > God BLess U

> > >

> > > May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not claiming that

> i

> > > am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his chart

> only

> > > likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which he find

> to

> > > be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is destined

> for

> > > me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that person.

> > > This is my believe.

> > >

> > > Keep It Short And Simple.

> > >

> > > Prem

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > mohanraaam mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> > >

> > > [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > >

> > > Dear Pramchopra:

> > >

> > > It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

> > >

> > > Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to know

> if

> > >

> > > checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so as to

> > >

> > > avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer is " No " .

> > >

> > > In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix " the

> > >

> > > detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be too

> > >

> > > accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

> > >

> > > To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you claim

> to

> > >

> > > possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked you about

> > >

> > > his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very balanced

> > >

> > > man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is a

> > >

> > > dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

> > >

> > > likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is definitely not

> > >

> > > lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE MEMBER

> > >

> > > JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

> > >

> > > You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This is just

> > >

> > > one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to think the

> > >

> > > whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other experts

> > >

> > > with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

> > >

> > > everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general traits, you

> > >

> > > would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good enough. Your

> > >

> > > predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not astrology.

> > >

> > > If you claim that you are still doing research, do it discreetly and

> > >

> > > not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd " predictions!

> > >

> > > For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you have

> > >

> > > written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is quite a

> > >

> > > balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let the

> > >

> > > member confirm that in this list.

> > >

> > > While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you are equal

> > >

> > > to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even before,

> > >

> > > when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This is not

> > >

> > > astrology. A person may live in houses facing different directions,

> > >

> > > astrology only says which is the best direction to live based on

> > >

> > > horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a person

> > >

> > > to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

> > >

> > > possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and counselling,

> > >

> > > not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of astrology!

> > >

> > > In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on generic

> > >

> > > axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than those

> > >

> > > who claim that they are accurate with their researches which are

> > >

> > > usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In fact KP

> > >

> > > astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

> > >

> > > literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again and

> again

> > >

> > > claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You people

> > >

> > > claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions which

> is

> > >

> > > more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

> > >

> > > accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

> > >

> > > sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far more

> > >

> > > minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and act as

> > >

> > > if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the best. No

> > >

> > > doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised by

> > >

> > > Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research. For

> > >

> > > your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

> > >

> > > Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other KP

> > >

> > > astrologer after him has that calibere.... and Krishnamurthiji was

> an

> > >

> > > expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the highest

> > >

> > > respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of

> half-baked

> > >

> > > astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used to

> > >

> > > admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard techniques

> > >

> > > culled from them himself!

> > >

> > > The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the main

> > >

> > > idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss type;

> > >

> > > but to educate the individuals concerned towards taking " informed

> > >

> > > decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

> > >

> > > subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the subject

> > >

> > > itself.

> > >

> > > Blessings,

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram Chopra

> > >

> > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > God Bless U

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have to be

> > >

> > > more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

> > >

> > > postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and intuitions

> > >

> > > with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is watching

> > >

> > > me every moment of course.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > >

> > > > Prem Chopra

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > >

> > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> > >

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

> > >

> > > (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Shri Primus:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Another important thing I left out.....

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client is not

> > >

> > > > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to the

> > >

> > > > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the actual

> > >

> > > > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction " of the

> > >

> > > > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the client

> > >

> > > > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they have not

> > >

> > > got

> > >

> > > > enough.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's lagna or

> > >

> > > > Moon, the professional relationship might start with differences

> > >

> > > but

> > >

> > > > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The client will

> > >

> > > > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often they

> > >

> > > may

> > >

> > > > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > But, it is better not check these before a reading because this

> > >

> > > will

> > >

> > > > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> > >

> > > > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors, predictions

> > >

> > > > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > vedic astrology, " dakshinastrologer "

> > >

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility between

> > >

> > > his

> > >

> > > > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects who may

> > >

> > > not

> > >

> > > > > have a good impression about him or who may not be compatible to

> > >

> > > > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the king

> > >

> > > should

> > >

> > > > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal rulers

> > >

> > > who

> > >

> > > > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always

> provide

> > >

> > > > > services to any client who requests his service with a sincere

> > >

> > > > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> > >

> > > > regarding

> > >

> > > > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a Guru with

> > >

> > > > vedic

> > >

> > > > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how their

> > >

> > > > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn out to

> > >

> > > be

> > >

> > > > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also written

> > >

> > > this

> > >

> > > > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will overshadow all

> > >

> > > > > possible negative influences based on natal compatibilities

> > >

> > > between

> > >

> > > > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna

> Maarga

> > >

> > > > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the astrologer

> > >

> > > and

> > >

> > > > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot stray in

> > >

> > > > those

> > >

> > > > > protocols.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a rarity. If

> the

> > >

> > > > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably one or

> two

> > >

> > > > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority and not

> > >

> > > > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more due to

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests help, it

> > >

> > > > might

> > >

> > > > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that person

> has

> > >

> > > > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple out of

> > >

> > > > 10,000

> > >

> > > > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying the great

> > >

> > > > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The astrologer

> > >

> > > > has

> > >

> > > > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > >

> > > > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

> > >

> > > perceived

> > >

> > > > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client right

> > >

> > > away.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it completely is

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client or not.

> > >

> > > Of

> > >

> > > > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent " is

> good

> > >

> > > > or

> > >

> > > > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if the " intent " is

> > >

> > > > not

> > >

> > > > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-am-not-

> > >

> > > > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will never

> > >

> > > get

> > >

> > > > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person. That

> > >

> > > > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> > >

> > > > astrologer's

> > >

> > > > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes what

> > >

> > > about

> > >

> > > > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished and the

> > >

> > > > hurt

> > >

> > > > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with the

> > >

> > > > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are in the

> > >

> > > > > majority.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every person who

> > >

> > > > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude. The

> > >

> > > > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By God's

> > >

> > > Grace,

> > >

> > > > I

> > >

> > > > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and in

> > >

> > > > providing

> > >

> > > > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > >

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > >

> > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for instance)

> > >

> > > > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

> > >

> > > between

> > >

> > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the

> client?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > As a regular practice?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

> > >

> > > findings,

> > >

> > > > > if

> > >

> > > > > > they would care to share?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > >

> > > ____________ __

> > >

> > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos

> > >

> > > new Car Finder tool.

> > >

> > > > http://autos. / carfinder/

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

I tried to point out kidding done by some astrologers, when they try

to pass judgements by seeing mere placement of planets and ignore

dynamic changes, i said sth about that yogi as an example.

 

Can u tell in some dasha what degree of change w'd be seen in one's

behavior and realization, what w'd be the quotient.

 

regards,

Lalit.

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Are You kidding? Static? What about dasas? and what is more..What

about

> prasna?

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > You are quite write and balanced, I dont know astrology but i

understand

> > the constraints, Take a case of author of Ramayana-'Valmiki' , He

was a

> > wicked man, his horoscope w'd be depicting same, then he

transformed

> > with the blessings of Narad.

> >

> > Now, a behavior change may or may not consistently but leading to

a

> > person towards shedding bad karmas and thus enablnig him to be a

nice

> > one, how can be fixed by astrologer, as he sees fixed

configuration of

> > plantes, the static one, may be, Valmiki w'd have done murders

before

> > his transformation began, will u see a debilitated planet in his

9'th or

> > some malific at is 9'th place.

> >

> > I m trying to underscore with a handful knowledge and low

insight, that

> > fake yogi like people becomes judgemental and still use astrology

to

> > shield their objective.

> >

> > Definitely, a native has to be seen under dynamic parameters. it's

> > interesting that that self claimed yogi which doesnt stand in

very first

> > definition of yoga sutra - " Yogah Chittivritish Nirodhah " has not

posted

> > his horoscope or birth details. therefore we cant judge him, how

big

> > yogi has been. may be doing some asaans and some breathing

excercises.

> > that's it.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > >

> > > Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

> > > Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods,

sadhana and

> > > association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and

> > Arudhapada..

> > > Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of

human as

> > > they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas

should

> > > focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs

true

> > > Jyotisha from the weak one.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > >

> > >

> > > jraman n napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Prem,

> > > > I read your reply. The predictions themselves are

contradictory. You

> > > > said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a

honest

> > > > person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have

underhand

> > > > dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical

also. If

> > I

> > > > get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also

doesn't

> > > > match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough

to

> > > > question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed.

But, I

> > > > boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> > > > conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give

respect to

> > > > people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

> > > >

> > > > So, please don't give points which are generic and not

relevant.

> > > >

> > > > I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and

give your

> > > > suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well

established

> > > > methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a

> > layman.

> > > > All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are

not

> > > > pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it

100% pc.

> > If

> > > > we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent

to their

> > > > horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

psychologically but

> > > > you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

act. For

> > > > every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in

the

> > > > court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to

apply

> > > > wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

> > > >

> > > > This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular

person. I am

> > > > in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me

also.

> > > >

> > > > God bless u,

> > > >

> > > > with regards,

> > > >

> > > > janakiraman

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pram Chopra pramchopra1964@ ...

> > > > <pramchopra1 964%40. com>>

> > > > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond

limits -

> > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mohanraaam

> > > >

> > > > God BLess U

> > > >

> > > > May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not

claiming that

> > i

> > > > am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his

chart

> > only

> > > > likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which

he find

> > to

> > > > be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is

destined

> > for

> > > > me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that

person.

> > > > This is my believe.

> > > >

> > > > Keep It Short And Simple.

> > > >

> > > > Prem

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > mohanraaam mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> > > >

> > > > [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pramchopra:

> > > >

> > > > It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

> > > >

> > > > Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to

know

> > if

> > > >

> > > > checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so

as to

> > > >

> > > > avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer

is " No " .

> > > >

> > > > In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix "

the

> > > >

> > > > detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be

too

> > > >

> > > > accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

> > > >

> > > > To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you

claim

> > to

> > > >

> > > > possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked

you about

> > > >

> > > > his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very

balanced

> > > >

> > > > man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is

a

> > > >

> > > > dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

> > > >

> > > > likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is

definitely not

> > > >

> > > > lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE

MEMBER

> > > >

> > > > JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

> > > >

> > > > You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This

is just

> > > >

> > > > one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to

think the

> > > >

> > > > whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other

experts

> > > >

> > > > with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

> > > >

> > > > everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general

traits, you

> > > >

> > > > would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good

enough. Your

> > > >

> > > > predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not

astrology.

> > > >

> > > > If you claim that you are still doing research, do it

discreetly and

> > > >

> > > > not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd "

predictions!

> > > >

> > > > For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you

have

> > > >

> > > > written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is

quite a

> > > >

> > > > balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let

the

> > > >

> > > > member confirm that in this list.

> > > >

> > > > While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you

are equal

> > > >

> > > > to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even

before,

> > > >

> > > > when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This

is not

> > > >

> > > > astrology. A person may live in houses facing different

directions,

> > > >

> > > > astrology only says which is the best direction to live based

on

> > > >

> > > > horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a

person

> > > >

> > > > to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

> > > >

> > > > possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and

counselling,

> > > >

> > > > not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of

astrology!

> > > >

> > > > In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on

generic

> > > >

> > > > axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than

those

> > > >

> > > > who claim that they are accurate with their researches which

are

> > > >

> > > > usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In

fact KP

> > > >

> > > > astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

> > > >

> > > > literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again

and

> > again

> > > >

> > > > claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You

people

> > > >

> > > > claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions

which

> > is

> > > >

> > > > more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

> > > >

> > > > accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

> > > >

> > > > sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far

more

> > > >

> > > > minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and

act as

> > > >

> > > > if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the

best. No

> > > >

> > > > doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised

by

> > > >

> > > > Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research.

For

> > > >

> > > > your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

> > > >

> > > > Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other

KP

> > > >

> > > > astrologer after him has that calibere.... and

Krishnamurthiji was

> > an

> > > >

> > > > expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the

highest

> > > >

> > > > respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of

> > half-baked

> > > >

> > > > astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used

to

> > > >

> > > > admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard

techniques

> > > >

> > > > culled from them himself!

> > > >

> > > > The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the

main

> > > >

> > > > idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss

type;

> > > >

> > > > but to educate the individuals concerned towards

taking " informed

> > > >

> > > > decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

> > > >

> > > > subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the

subject

> > > >

> > > > itself.

> > > >

> > > > Blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram

Chopra

> > > >

> > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > God Bless U

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have

to be

> > > >

> > > > more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

> > > >

> > > > postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and

intuitions

> > > >

> > > > with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is

watching

> > > >

> > > > me every moment of course.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > >

> > > > > Prem Chopra

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> > > >

> > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

> > > >

> > > > (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Primus:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Another important thing I left out.....

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client

is not

> > > >

> > > > > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to

the

> > > >

> > > > > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the

actual

> > > >

> > > > > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction "

of the

> > > >

> > > > > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the

client

> > > >

> > > > > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they

have not

> > > >

> > > > got

> > > >

> > > > > enough.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's

lagna or

> > > >

> > > > > Moon, the professional relationship might start with

differences

> > > >

> > > > but

> > > >

> > > > > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The

client will

> > > >

> > > > > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often

they

> > > >

> > > > may

> > > >

> > > > > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > But, it is better not check these before a reading because

this

> > > >

> > > > will

> > > >

> > > > > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> > > >

> > > > > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors,

predictions

> > > >

> > > > > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > >

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility

between

> > > >

> > > > his

> > > >

> > > > > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects

who may

> > > >

> > > > not

> > > >

> > > > > > have a good impression about him or who may not be

compatible to

> > > >

> > > > > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the

king

> > > >

> > > > should

> > > >

> > > > > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal

rulers

> > > >

> > > > who

> > > >

> > > > > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always

> > provide

> > > >

> > > > > > services to any client who requests his service with a

sincere

> > > >

> > > > > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> > > >

> > > > > regarding

> > > >

> > > > > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a

Guru with

> > > >

> > > > > vedic

> > > >

> > > > > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how

their

> > > >

> > > > > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn

out to

> > > >

> > > > be

> > > >

> > > > > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also

written

> > > >

> > > > this

> > > >

> > > > > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will

overshadow all

> > > >

> > > > > > possible negative influences based on natal

compatibilities

> > > >

> > > > between

> > > >

> > > > > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna

> > Maarga

> > > >

> > > > > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the

astrologer

> > > >

> > > > and

> > > >

> > > > > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot

stray in

> > > >

> > > > > those

> > > >

> > > > > > protocols.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a

rarity. If

> > the

> > > >

> > > > > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably

one or

> > two

> > > >

> > > > > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority

and not

> > > >

> > > > > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more

due to

> > > >

> > > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests

help, it

> > > >

> > > > > might

> > > >

> > > > > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that

person

> > has

> > > >

> > > > > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple

out of

> > > >

> > > > > 10,000

> > > >

> > > > > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying

the great

> > > >

> > > > > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The

astrologer

> > > >

> > > > > has

> > > >

> > > > > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > > >

> > > > > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

> > > >

> > > > perceived

> > > >

> > > > > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client

right

> > > >

> > > > away.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it

completely is

> > > >

> > > > best

> > > >

> > > > > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client

or not.

> > > >

> > > > Of

> > > >

> > > > > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent "

is

> > good

> > > >

> > > > > or

> > > >

> > > > > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if

the " intent " is

> > > >

> > > > > not

> > > >

> > > > > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-

am-not-

> > > >

> > > > > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will

never

> > > >

> > > > get

> > > >

> > > > > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person.

That

> > > >

> > > > > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> > > >

> > > > > astrologer's

> > > >

> > > > > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes

what

> > > >

> > > > about

> > > >

> > > > > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished

and the

> > > >

> > > > > hurt

> > > >

> > > > > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with

the

> > > >

> > > > > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are

in the

> > > >

> > > > > > majority.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every

person who

> > > >

> > > > > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude.

The

> > > >

> > > > > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By

God's

> > > >

> > > > Grace,

> > > >

> > > > > I

> > > >

> > > > > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and

in

> > > >

> > > > > providing

> > > >

> > > > > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish

Volunteers "

> > > >

> > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for

instance)

> > > >

> > > > > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

> > > >

> > > > between

> > > >

> > > > > > the

> > > >

> > > > > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the

> > client?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > As a regular practice?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

> > > >

> > > > findings,

> > > >

> > > > > > if

> > > >

> > > > > > > they would care to share?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

_________ _

> > > >

> > > > ____________ __

> > > >

> > > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out

Autos

> > > >

> > > > new Car Finder tool.

> > > >

> > > > > http://autos. / carfinder/

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

*hraum namah adityaya*

 

Dear Lalit,

 

I told you better to calm down.

 

Jyotish is more complicated then quotients/numbers, there are many

layers which are in dynamic state, all the time like cycles of nature.

Vimshottari from Moon shows how Your mind is changing but Your mind can

choosing based on previous samskara (moola), natural events (naisargika)

or just missions and inteligence (Vim from Lagna). Problem is how to

translate langauage of planets and dasas to the language of client who

wants to know single and often static things. Sometimes the job is

coming (arthakona) but the native dont feel comfortable with it

(dusthana placement) so if astrologer will predict, that you will have a

job - it can be mistake, but not because of bad interpratation but

because of poor way of translation.

 

Ive read Your mail about Sun in d1 and administration, thats completely

justifiable because we dont judge career from Rasi Chart, at least not

those details. You should have more faith in Jyotish and be more calm,

that will be beneficial for all and that is my second advise for You.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

 

litsol napisa?(a):

>

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> I tried to point out kidding done by some astrologers, when they try

> to pass judgements by seeing mere placement of planets and ignore

> dynamic changes, i said sth about that yogi as an example.

>

> Can u tell in some dasha what degree of change w'd be seen in one's

> behavior and realization, what w'd be the quotient.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > *hraum namah adityaya*

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Are You kidding? Static? What about dasas? and what is more..What

> about

> > prasna?

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rafal Gendarz

> > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > email: rafal

> > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> >

> > litsol napisa?(a):

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Rafal,

> > >

> > > You are quite write and balanced, I dont know astrology but i

> understand

> > > the constraints, Take a case of author of Ramayana-'Valmiki' , He

> was a

> > > wicked man, his horoscope w'd be depicting same, then he

> transformed

> > > with the blessings of Narad.

> > >

> > > Now, a behavior change may or may not consistently but leading to

> a

> > > person towards shedding bad karmas and thus enablnig him to be a

> nice

> > > one, how can be fixed by astrologer, as he sees fixed

> configuration of

> > > plantes, the static one, may be, Valmiki w'd have done murders

> before

> > > his transformation began, will u see a debilitated planet in his

> 9'th or

> > > some malific at is 9'th place.

> > >

> > > I m trying to underscore with a handful knowledge and low

> insight, that

> > > fake yogi like people becomes judgemental and still use astrology

> to

> > > shield their objective.

> > >

> > > Definitely, a native has to be seen under dynamic parameters. it's

> > > interesting that that self claimed yogi which doesnt stand in

> very first

> > > definition of yoga sutra - " Yogah Chittivritish Nirodhah " has not

> posted

> > > his horoscope or birth details. therefore we cant judge him, how

> big

> > > yogi has been. may be doing some asaans and some breathing

> excercises.

> > > that's it.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > > >

> > > > Person's character, association, lustre and likings are based on

> > > > Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods,

> sadhana and

> > > > association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and

> > > Arudhapada..

> > > > Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities of

> human as

> > > > they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we Jyotishas

> should

> > > > focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what differs

> true

> > > > Jyotisha from the weak one.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > email: rafal@

> > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > jraman n napisa?(a):

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Prem,

> > > > > I read your reply. The predictions themselves are

> contradictory. You

> > > > > said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how come a

> honest

> > > > > person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have

> underhand

> > > > > dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not economical

> also. If

> > > I

> > > > > get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also

> doesn't

> > > > > match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold enough

> to

> > > > > question the chief of our organisation and I was ridiculed.

> But, I

> > > > > boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god and my

> > > > > conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give

> respect to

> > > > > people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical too.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, please don't give points which are generic and not

> relevant.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and

> give your

> > > > > suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well

> established

> > > > > methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds of a

> > > layman.

> > > > > All the people who requires some guidance or predictions are

> not

> > > > > pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it

> 100% pc.

> > > If

> > > > > we give some prediction which are not relevant or pertinent

> to their

> > > > > horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

> psychologically but

> > > > > you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

> act. For

> > > > > every action of commission or omission, we are accountable in

> the

> > > > > court of god. So, I request once again to all the members to

> apply

> > > > > wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular

> person. I am

> > > > > in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant to me

> also.

> > > > >

> > > > > God bless u,

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > janakiraman

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Pram Chopra pramchopra1964@ ...

> > > > > <pramchopra1 964%40. com>>

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond

> limits -

> > > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mohanraaam

> > > > >

> > > > > God BLess U

> > > > >

> > > > > May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not

> claiming that

> > > i

> > > > > am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his

> chart

> > > only

> > > > > likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person which

> he find

> > > to

> > > > > be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is

> destined

> > > for

> > > > > me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that

> person.

> > > > > This is my believe.

> > > > >

> > > > > Keep It Short And Simple.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prem

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > mohanraaam mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond limits -

> > > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pramchopra:

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed expert!

> > > > >

> > > > > Panditji has responded to the query of a member who wished to

> know

> > > if

> > > > >

> > > > > checking the compatibility with the client is necessary, so

> as to

> > > > >

> > > > > avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer

> is " No " .

> > > > >

> > > > > In your post, you are saying you have to be precise and " fix "

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to be

> too

> > > > >

> > > > > accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

> > > > >

> > > > > To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that you

> claim

> > > to

> > > > >

> > > > > possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked

> you about

> > > > >

> > > > > his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a very

> balanced

> > > > >

> > > > > man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions. He is

> a

> > > > >

> > > > > dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues. There is

> > > > >

> > > > > likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is

> definitely not

> > > > >

> > > > > lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE

> MEMBER

> > > > >

> > > > > JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

> > > > >

> > > > > You have gone wrong too much in describing that person. This

> is just

> > > > >

> > > > > one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to

> think the

> > > > >

> > > > > whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other

> experts

> > > > >

> > > > > with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who can see

> > > > >

> > > > > everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general

> traits, you

> > > > >

> > > > > would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good

> enough. Your

> > > > >

> > > > > predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not

> astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you claim that you are still doing research, do it

> discreetly and

> > > > >

> > > > > not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd "

> predictions!

> > > > >

> > > > > For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you

> have

> > > > >

> > > > > written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is

> quite a

> > > > >

> > > > > balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic. Let

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > member confirm that in this list.

> > > > >

> > > > > While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you

> are equal

> > > > >

> > > > > to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment even

> before,

> > > > >

> > > > > when you said house facing Northwest, this and that......This

> is not

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology. A person may live in houses facing different

> directions,

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology only says which is the best direction to live based

> on

> > > > >

> > > > > horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary for a

> person

> > > > >

> > > > > to live in a house that exactly tallies with the astrological

> > > > >

> > > > > possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and

> counselling,

> > > > >

> > > > > not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of

> astrology!

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on

> generic

> > > > >

> > > > > axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings than

> those

> > > > >

> > > > > who claim that they are accurate with their researches which

> are

> > > > >

> > > > > usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach. In

> fact KP

> > > > >

> > > > > astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and the

> > > > >

> > > > > literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology again

> and

> > > again

> > > > >

> > > > > claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity. You

> people

> > > > >

> > > > > claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249 divisions

> which

> > > is

> > > > >

> > > > > more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are more

> > > > >

> > > > > accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have naadiamsas and

> > > > >

> > > > > sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into far

> more

> > > > >

> > > > > minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact and

> act as

> > > > >

> > > > > if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the

> best. No

> > > > >

> > > > > doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was devised

> by

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great research.

> For

> > > > >

> > > > > your information, I am a person who has personally worked with

> > > > >

> > > > > Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No other

> KP

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologer after him has that calibere.... and

> Krishnamurthiji was

> > > an

> > > > >

> > > > > expert who started with traditional astrology and he had the

> highest

> > > > >

> > > > > respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of

> > > half-baked

> > > > >

> > > > > astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself used

> to

> > > > >

> > > > > admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard

> techniques

> > > > >

> > > > > culled from them himself!

> > > > >

> > > > > The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and the

> main

> > > > >

> > > > > idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and miss

> type;

> > > > >

> > > > > but to educate the individuals concerned towards

> taking " informed

> > > > >

> > > > > decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do the

> > > > >

> > > > > subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the

> subject

> > > > >

> > > > > itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessings,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram

> Chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you have

> to be

> > > > >

> > > > > more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving in my

> > > > >

> > > > > postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and

> intuitions

> > > > >

> > > > > with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God is

> watching

> > > > >

> > > > > me every moment of course.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > >

> > > > > > Prem Chopra

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all savants

> > > > >

> > > > > (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Primus:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Another important thing I left out.....

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the client

> is not

> > > > >

> > > > > > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th to

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect the

> actual

> > > > >

> > > > > > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived satisfaction "

> of the

> > > > >

> > > > > > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though the

> client

> > > > >

> > > > > > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they

> have not

> > > > >

> > > > > got

> > > > >

> > > > > > enough.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the astrologer's

> lagna or

> > > > >

> > > > > > Moon, the professional relationship might start with

> differences

> > > > >

> > > > > but

> > > > >

> > > > > > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The

> client will

> > > > >

> > > > > > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though often

> they

> > > > >

> > > > > may

> > > > >

> > > > > > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > But, it is better not check these before a reading because

> this

> > > > >

> > > > > will

> > > > >

> > > > > > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an astrologer is

> > > > >

> > > > > > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors,

> predictions

> > > > >

> > > > > > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

> com, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > >

> > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > No....the astrologer must never check the compatibility

> between

> > > > >

> > > > > his

> > > > >

> > > > > > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects

> who may

> > > > >

> > > > > not

> > > > >

> > > > > > > have a good impression about him or who may not be

> compatible to

> > > > >

> > > > > > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the

> king

> > > > >

> > > > > should

> > > > >

> > > > > > > be above such considerations (there have been many ideal

> rulers

> > > > >

> > > > > who

> > > > >

> > > > > > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must always

> > > provide

> > > > >

> > > > > > > services to any client who requests his service with a

> sincere

> > > > >

> > > > > > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > > regarding

> > > > >

> > > > > > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a

> Guru with

> > > > >

> > > > > > vedic

> > > > >

> > > > > > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter how

> their

> > > > >

> > > > > > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will turn

> out to

> > > > >

> > > > > be

> > > > >

> > > > > > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also

> written

> > > > >

> > > > > this

> > > > >

> > > > > > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will

> overshadow all

> > > > >

> > > > > > > possible negative influences based on natal

> compatibilities

> > > > >

> > > > > between

> > > > >

> > > > > > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like Prashna

> > > Maarga

> > > > >

> > > > > > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the

> astrologer

> > > > >

> > > > > and

> > > > >

> > > > > > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot

> stray in

> > > > >

> > > > > > those

> > > > >

> > > > > > > protocols.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a

> rarity. If

> > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably

> one or

> > > two

> > > > >

> > > > > > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal minority

> and not

> > > > >

> > > > > > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be more

> due to

> > > > >

> > > > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests

> help, it

> > > > >

> > > > > > might

> > > > >

> > > > > > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that

> person

> > > has

> > > > >

> > > > > > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple

> out of

> > > > >

> > > > > > 10,000

> > > > >

> > > > > > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying

> the great

> > > > >

> > > > > > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The

> astrologer

> > > > >

> > > > > > has

> > > > >

> > > > > > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the mails/

> > > > >

> > > > > > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the tone/

> > > > >

> > > > > perceived

> > > > >

> > > > > > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the client

> right

> > > > >

> > > > > away.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it

> completely is

> > > > >

> > > > > best

> > > > >

> > > > > > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a client

> or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of

> > > > >

> > > > > > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether the " intent "

> is

> > > good

> > > > >

> > > > > > or

> > > > >

> > > > > > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if

> the " intent " is

> > > > >

> > > > > > not

> > > > >

> > > > > > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an inherent " I-

> am-not-

> > > > >

> > > > > > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who will

> never

> > > > >

> > > > > get

> > > > >

> > > > > > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every person.

> That

> > > > >

> > > > > > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A good

> > > > >

> > > > > > astrologer's

> > > > >

> > > > > > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who writes

> what

> > > > >

> > > > > about

> > > > >

> > > > > > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished

> and the

> > > > >

> > > > > > hurt

> > > > >

> > > > > > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away with

> the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who are

> in the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > majority.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every

> person who

> > > > >

> > > > > > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful attitude.

> The

> > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By

> God's

> > > > >

> > > > > Grace,

> > > > >

> > > > > > I

> > > > >

> > > > > > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual and

> in

> > > > >

> > > > > > providing

> > > > >

> > > > > > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish

> Volunteers "

> > > > >

> > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for

> instance)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility analysis

> > > > >

> > > > > between

> > > > >

> > > > > > > the

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before accepting the

> > > client?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > As a regular practice?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were their

> > > > >

> > > > > findings,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > if

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > they would care to share?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

> _________ _

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out

> Autos

> > > > >

> > > > > new Car Finder tool.

> > > > >

> > > > > > http://autos. / carfinder/

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rafal,

 

I m happy to see, u r not conservative like those few, they make much

ado about nothing, all about very trivial things.

 

I m cool and calm as i feel i have given enough to retrosopect to

that old man. No he will never dare like this.

 

I wanted to see you advising him (fake yogi) also to behave like a

man, at least like a man.

 

I will be posting more stuff and w'd request you to post an article

in the group highlighting divisinola charts and their roots in

classics, how they became so popular etc. It will educate a guy like

me and many group members.

 

If u have written it earlier, I m sorry to repeat the request.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

<starsuponme wrote:

>

> *hraum namah adityaya*

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I told you better to calm down.

>

> Jyotish is more complicated then quotients/numbers, there are many

> layers which are in dynamic state, all the time like cycles of

nature.

> Vimshottari from Moon shows how Your mind is changing but Your mind

can

> choosing based on previous samskara (moola), natural events

(naisargika)

> or just missions and inteligence (Vim from Lagna). Problem is how

to

> translate langauage of planets and dasas to the language of client

who

> wants to know single and often static things. Sometimes the job is

> coming (arthakona) but the native dont feel comfortable with it

> (dusthana placement) so if astrologer will predict, that you will

have a

> job - it can be mistake, but not because of bad interpratation but

> because of poor way of translation.

>

> Ive read Your mail about Sun in d1 and administration, thats

completely

> justifiable because we dont judge career from Rasi Chart, at least

not

> those details. You should have more faith in Jyotish and be more

calm,

> that will be beneficial for all and that is my second advise for

You.

>

>

> Regards,

> Rafal Gendarz

> Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> email: rafal

> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

>

> litsol napisa?(a):

> >

> >

> > Dear Rafal,

> >

> > I tried to point out kidding done by some astrologers, when they

try

> > to pass judgements by seeing mere placement of planets and ignore

> > dynamic changes, i said sth about that yogi as an example.

> >

> > Can u tell in some dasha what degree of change w'd be seen in

one's

> > behavior and realization, what w'd be the quotient.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Are You kidding? Static? What about dasas? and what is

more..What

> > about

> > > prasna?

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > email: rafal@

> > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > >

> > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > You are quite write and balanced, I dont know astrology but i

> > understand

> > > > the constraints, Take a case of author of Ramayana-

'Valmiki' , He

> > was a

> > > > wicked man, his horoscope w'd be depicting same, then he

> > transformed

> > > > with the blessings of Narad.

> > > >

> > > > Now, a behavior change may or may not consistently but

leading to

> > a

> > > > person towards shedding bad karmas and thus enablnig him to

be a

> > nice

> > > > one, how can be fixed by astrologer, as he sees fixed

> > configuration of

> > > > plantes, the static one, may be, Valmiki w'd have done murders

> > before

> > > > his transformation began, will u see a debilitated planet in

his

> > 9'th or

> > > > some malific at is 9'th place.

> > > >

> > > > I m trying to underscore with a handful knowledge and low

> > insight, that

> > > > fake yogi like people becomes judgemental and still use

astrology

> > to

> > > > shield their objective.

> > > >

> > > > Definitely, a native has to be seen under dynamic parameters.

it's

> > > > interesting that that self claimed yogi which doesnt stand in

> > very first

> > > > definition of yoga sutra - " Yogah Chittivritish Nirodhah " has

not

> > posted

> > > > his horoscope or birth details. therefore we cant judge him,

how

> > big

> > > > yogi has been. may be doing some asaans and some breathing

> > excercises.

> > > > that's it.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Person's character, association, lustre and likings are

based on

> > > > > Antardasa-Graha, qualities of person change with periods,

> > sadhana and

> > > > > association. Basic qualities depends highly on Navamsa and

> > > > Arudhapada..

> > > > > Western astrologers especially are interested in qualities

of

> > human as

> > > > > they are very relative and can fit for everybody, we

Jyotishas

> > should

> > > > > focus on periods accuracy and details as this is what

differs

> > true

> > > > > Jyotisha from the weak one.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > jraman n napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr.Prem,

> > > > > > I read your reply. The predictions themselves are

> > contradictory. You

> > > > > > said honest and in the same vein, dishonest, then, how

come a

> > honest

> > > > > > person be criminal. Then an honest person cannot have

> > underhand

> > > > > > dealings. I dont have coarse hair also. I am not

economical

> > also. If

> > > > I

> > > > > > get a rupee or a lakh, I tend to spend it. so, this also

> > doesn't

> > > > > > match. I never feared for ridicule. In fact, I am bold

enough

> > to

> > > > > > question the chief of our organisation and I was

ridiculed.

> > But, I

> > > > > > boldly went against their policies. I fear only to god

and my

> > > > > > conscience. I never bow down to adharma. I always give

> > respect to

> > > > > > people irrespective of their status. I am not methodical

too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, please don't give points which are generic and not

> > relevant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I request all the members of this forum to be prudent and

> > give your

> > > > > > suggestions or predictions based on time tested and well

> > established

> > > > > > methods. This is not a joke. We are playing in the minds

of a

> > > > layman.

> > > > > > All the people who requires some guidance or predictions

are

> > not

> > > > > > pundits in this branch. So, whatever we say, they take it

> > 100% pc.

> > > > If

> > > > > > we give some prediction which are not relevant or

pertinent

> > to their

> > > > > > horoscope, then, it not only affects the member

> > psychologically but

> > > > > > you are adding more bad karmas to your account due to this

> > act. For

> > > > > > every action of commission or omission, we are

accountable in

> > the

> > > > > > court of god. So, I request once again to all the members

to

> > apply

> > > > > > wisdom and be judicious in giving your reply.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not to blame anyone or to indict any particular

> > person. I am

> > > > > > in general expressed my opinion here, which is relevant

to me

> > also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God bless u,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > janakiraman

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pram Chopra pramchopra1964@ ...

> > > > > > <pramchopra1 964%40. com>>

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > Saturday, 21 July, 2007 2:52:15 PM

> > > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond

> > limits -

> > > > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God BLess U

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be you can write a Book on that debat but I am not

> > claiming that

> > > > i

> > > > > > am Correct I am just giving my findings what I find in his

> > chart

> > > > only

> > > > > > likewise all the astrologer do it is up to the person

which

> > he find

> > > > to

> > > > > > be accurate. One thing all must know is if the person is

> > destined

> > > > for

> > > > > > me to elaborate there asking nobody other can satisfy that

> > person.

> > > > > > This is my believe.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Keep It Short And Simple.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prem

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mohanraaam mohanraaam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:54:49 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [vedic astrology] please do not step beyond

limits -

> > > > > > explanation withJanakiraman' s case...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pramchopra:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not clear what you wanted to say to the esteemed

expert!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Panditji has responded to the query of a member who

wished to

> > know

> > > > if

> > > > > >

> > > > > > checking the compatibility with the client is necessary,

so

> > as to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > avoid controversies later. The essence of Guruji's answer

> > is " No " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your post, you are saying you have to be precise

and " fix "

> > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > detail correctly. I will tell you one thing, in trying to

be

> > too

> > > > > >

> > > > > > accurate, too many astrologers go way wrong!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To quote your own example, with all the " intuition " that

you

> > claim

> > > > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > possess, your prediction about shri. Jkraman who has asked

> > you about

> > > > > >

> > > > > > his appearance is patently wrong. He is likely to be a

very

> > balanced

> > > > > >

> > > > > > man who thinks and deliberates before taking decisions.

He is

> > a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dutiful father; probably he may not have male issues.

There is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > likely to be some marital problem in his life. He is

> > definitely not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lean or weak looking as you have described him. (LET THE

> > MEMBER

> > > > > >

> > > > > > JANAKIRAMAN SAY WHETHER I AM CORRECT OR WRONG).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have gone wrong too much in describing that person.

This

> > is just

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one example! When you are absurdly wrong, people tend to

> > think the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > whole subject is a hoax and they start judging even other

> > experts

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with the same eye; if instead of trying to be " God who

can see

> > > > > >

> > > > > > everywhere " , you had just stopped with assessing general

> > traits, you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > would have scored about 60% at least, and that is good

> > enough. Your

> > > > > >

> > > > > > predictions have an element of hit and miss which is not

> > astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you claim that you are still doing research, do it

> > discreetly and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not in an open list doling out " confidently absurd "

> > predictions!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For your information, jkraman is not " weak looking " as you

> > have

> > > > > >

> > > > > > written in your mail; he does not have coarse hair; he is

> > quite a

> > > > > >

> > > > > > balanced and impressive looking man and highly energetic.

Let

> > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > member confirm that in this list.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > While you are still a learner, please do not act as if you

> > are equal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to the exalted Gurus of this list. I wanted to comment

even

> > before,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > when you said house facing Northwest, this and

that......This

> > is not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology. A person may live in houses facing different

> > directions,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology only says which is the best direction to live

based

> > on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > horoscopic predictions. It is not absolutely necessary

for a

> > person

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to live in a house that exactly tallies with the

astrological

> > > > > >

> > > > > > possibilities. ....Astrology is a tool for insight and

> > counselling,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not a magic mirror! Definitely this is not a weakness of

> > astrology!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In fact, astrologers who predict generally and based on

> > generic

> > > > > >

> > > > > > axioms sometimes unwittingly give more accurate readings

than

> > those

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who claim that they are accurate with their researches

which

> > are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > usually hit or miss! Please try to change your approach.

In

> > fact KP

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology itself has the reputation of " hit or miss " , and

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > literature of KP books trashing traditional astrology

again

> > and

> > > > again

> > > > > >

> > > > > > claiming it as the ONLY accurate method is an absurdity.

You

> > people

> > > > > >

> > > > > > claim that you have subdivided the zodiac into 249

divisions

> > which

> > > > is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > more than the 108 navamsas and hence the sub-points are

more

> > > > > >

> > > > > > accurate. But, in traditional astrology we have

naadiamsas and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sookshmanaadiamasas which divide the zodiac circle into

far

> > more

> > > > > >

> > > > > > minute divisions. KP authors usually gloss over this fact

and

> > act as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if traditional astrology is limited in scope and KP is the

> > best. No

> > > > > >

> > > > > > doubt, KP astrology has very strong points and it was

devised

> > by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri. Krishnamurthiji of revered memory after great

research.

> > For

> > > > > >

> > > > > > your information, I am a person who has personally worked

with

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Krishnamurthiji and know what a great savant he was! No

other

> > KP

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrologer after him has that calibere.... and

> > Krishnamurthiji was

> > > > an

> > > > > >

> > > > > > expert who started with traditional astrology and he had

the

> > highest

> > > > > >

> > > > > > respect for traditional astrology. He was critical only of

> > > > half-baked

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrologers of ancient traditions; otherwise, he himself

used

> > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > admire astrological dictums and axioms, and had standard

> > techniques

> > > > > >

> > > > > > culled from them himself!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The style of prediction is unique to each astrologer, and

the

> > main

> > > > > >

> > > > > > idea of astrolgy is not " fortune-telling " of the hit and

miss

> > type;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but to educate the individuals concerned towards

> > taking " informed

> > > > > >

> > > > > > decisions " . Too much fatalistic predictions will never do

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > subject any good; and your failures will reflect on the

> > subject

> > > > > >

> > > > > > itself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessings,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mohanraaam.- -- In vedic astrology, Pram

> > Chopra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <pramchopra1964@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dakshinastrologer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > God Bless U

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > My Experience says about client and astrologer is you

have

> > to be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > more precise fix and to the point. What ever i am giving

in my

> > > > > >

> > > > > > postings is honesty and my firm will with my skill and

> > intuitions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with grace of God. I love God because I believe that God

is

> > watching

> > > > > >

> > > > > > me every moment of course.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > A Foresight Prince of India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prem Chopra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:55:49 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: A question for all

savants

> > > > > >

> > > > > > (compatibility between astro and client) - update

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Primus:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another important thing I left out.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > If the compatibility between the astrologer and the

client

> > is not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > good (for instance if the client's lagna is 8th or 6th

to

> > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologer's horoscope), even then it will not affect

the

> > actual

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > efficacy of the reading. But, the " perceived

satisfaction "

> > of the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > client may be missing in the reading. That is, though

the

> > client

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > gets a satisfactory reading, he/she will feel as if they

> > have not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > got

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > enough.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > If the querent's lagna or Moon is 7th to the

astrologer's

> > lagna or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon, the professional relationship might start with

> > differences

> > > > > >

> > > > > > but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > they will still be gravitated towards each other. The

> > client will

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > usually give gruding respect to the astrologer though

often

> > they

> > > > > >

> > > > > > may

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > not see eye to eye regarding some suggestions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > But, it is better not check these before a reading

because

> > this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > spoil the astrologer's objectivity. Unless an

astrologer is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > objective and uninfluenced by other external factors,

> > predictions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > might lose their " sharpness " and " accuracy " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

> > com, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Primus:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No....the astrologer must never check the

compatibility

> > between

> > > > > >

> > > > > > his

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > chart and his client's chart. A king may have subjects

> > who may

> > > > > >

> > > > > > not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > have a good impression about him or who may not be

> > compatible to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > him. But, Raaja Dharma of those days demanded that the

> > king

> > > > > >

> > > > > > should

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be above such considerations (there have been many

ideal

> > rulers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > have followed this). Like this, an astrologer must

always

> > > > provide

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > services to any client who requests his service with a

> > sincere

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > intent. If the client treats the astrologer with

respect,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > regarding

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the person giving the prediction the respect due to a

> > Guru with

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > etiquette, and humbly presents the query, no matter

how

> > their

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > individual compatibilities be, the interactions will

turn

> > out to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > most cordial for both parties concerned.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The positional respect and protocols (Rafalji has also

> > written

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > in one of his recent mails) being followed will

> > overshadow all

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > possible negative influences based on natal

> > compatibilities

> > > > > >

> > > > > > between

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the astrologer and the client. Actually works like

Prashna

> > > > Maarga

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > clearly indicate how the querent should approach the

> > astrologer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > how the astrologer should answer queries. Both cannot

> > stray in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > protocols.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Problems between good astrologers and clients is a

> > rarity. If

> > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > astrologer has dealt with thousands of cases, probably

> > one or

> > > > two

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > might be dissatisfied. That is an infinitesimal

minority

> > and not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > worthy of consideration at all. The problem might be

more

> > due to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > inherent nature of the person. Once a person requests

> > help, it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > might

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > be impossible for the astrologer to check whether that

> > person

> > > > has

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > good attitude,etc. because just to check the odd apple

> > out of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10,000

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > good apples, the astrologer cannot waste time applying

> > the great

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > principles to everyone which is a waste of time. The

> > astrologer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > to necessariy go by the attitude as shown by the

mails/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > interactions. If he/ she is not satisfied with the

tone/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > perceived

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > attitude of the client, it is best to reject the

client

> > right

> > > > > >

> > > > > > away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Relying on one's own inner voice and heeding it

> > completely is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > best

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > for astrologers while deciding whether to take a

client

> > or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > course, prashna charts will indicate whether

the " intent "

> > is

> > > > good

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > not. In my experience, I have found that even if

> > the " intent " is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dishonest, there are certain persons with an

inherent " I-

> > am-not-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > satisfied; I deserve something better " attitude, who

will

> > never

> > > > > >

> > > > > > get

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > satisfied. But, they will be the same with every

person.

> > That

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > attitude is their problem, not the astrologer's. A

good

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologer's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > reputation is not easily tarnished no matter who

writes

> > what

> > > > > >

> > > > > > about

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > him/ her. Only the emotional trauma of being rubbished

> > and the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > hurt

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > professional pride might be there. It will pass away

with

> > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > soothing reassurances of other satisfied clients who

are

> > in the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > majority.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In short, the astrologer should strive to serve every

> > person who

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > approaches him/ her with a humble and prayerful

attitude.

> > The

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > astrologer- in turn should adopt a humble attitude " By

> > God's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Grace,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > am a tool in deciphering the Fate of this individual

and

> > in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > providing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > insight to the client. Let Divinities guide me best " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - In vedic astrology, " Jyotish

> > Volunteers "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > <primusjyotishi@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When a client approaches a divinator (astrologer for

> > instance)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Should the astrologer first run a compatibility

analysis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > between

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nativity and the astrologer's chart before

accepting the

> > > > client?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As a regular practice?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any clues as to what the compatibility must include?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has anyone looked into this earlier and what were

their

> > > > > >

> > > > > > findings,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > they would care to share?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Communication may be the key, again? Or is it??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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