Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Dear Mr. Abhishek, What ever I said has been from the information that I have gathered from books, while studying Ayurveda as an undergraduate and post graduate student. In all the literature available on Ayurveda, it is clearly mentioned that it is an Upaveda of Atharvaveda. Well, I can not comment on this more as I have not read any of the Vedas , so all I can say is that this may be a mere difference of opinion of the people interpreting the vedas. Regards, Dr. Sanjay Sharma abhishekpotti <abhishekpotti wrote: Dear Dr. Sanjay Sharma: No Sir....Shri. Mohanraaam is correct in stating that Ayurveda is an upaveda of Rig Veda. In fact the hints for further development of Ayurveda are in the main Rig veda itself, and a Rig Vedic Adhyaayi family known to me also claim that Ayur veda is an upaveda of Rig Veda only (They have done traditional adhyayanam and completed training in Ayurveda as a part of their upaveda). I am listing below the information found in websites also for your reference: ------------------------- The term upaveda ( " secondary knowledge " ) is used in traditional literature to designate the subjects of certain technical works.[47] [48] They have no relation to the Vedas, except as subjects worthy of study despite their secular character. Lists of what subjects are included in this class differ among sources. Examples include: Medicine (Âyurveda) for Rig Veda Archery, Military science (Dhanurveda) (see: Indian martial arts)- for Yajur Veda Music and sacred dance (Gândharvaveda) [3] - for Sama veda Architecture (Sthâpatyaveda) - for Atharva Veda. Some say that Arthashastra/ neethi shastra is the upaveda of Atharva veda but traditional scholars of Kerala maintain sthapatya veda is the upaveda of Atharva veda. --------------End quote------------- Anyway, we are all agreed in that Ayurveda is definitely an upaveda. Best regards, Abhishek. vedic astrology , sanjay sharma <drdevgun1 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Mohanraam, > I am in agreement with what you said about the upavedas with one exception of Rigveda. Ayurveda is actually an upaveda of Atharvaveda. > Regards, > Dr. Sanjay Sharma > > mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote: > > Dear Lalith: > > You have written ayurveda is mentioned in sulp sutraas....do you > know one thing? Ayurveda is not in the same class as mathematics or > engineering.....Ayurveda comes as a " Upa Vedaa " . > > I am clarifying because genuine learners should not be confused by > your senseless mutterings typical of a shallow knower of Indian > traditions - usually atheists in Tamil Nadu used to speak like that - > assuming and clubbing every traditional learning as Vedaas and > attacking them. One worthy even compared kaama sutra with sulpa > sutras and said shaastraas were all pornographic - they will speak > what comes to them at that moment. I think you are not an atheist > but only a misguided young man who does not our shastras and what > they stand for! > > The upavedas of the main three vedas have one upaveda each: > > 1) Rig Veda - has ayurveda as upaveda > 2) yajur veda - has Dhanur Veda as upaveda. > 3) Sama veda - has Gandharva veda as upaveda. > > Atharva veda itself is a work on incantations and is an applied veda. > > So, do not club ayurveda with the minor 18 vedic shastras. It is a > upaveda. > > Again, no knowledge is greater or small. But certain shastras are > definitely given pride of place. Why do you object when I > say " Divine Shastra of jotisha " ? > > If you do not revere jotisha why are you here? > > Mohanraaam > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of ur's > language, > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover more > about me. > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right, check > it in > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i came in > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they didn't like > me, > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as inputs > are > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like break > ups is > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in sense of > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u should > be > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say, more > and more > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where is the > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see ur > findings, > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I discussed > with him > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average looks, He > said > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such proposals, i > further > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet person, i > dont > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks and good > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was asking him > and > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology in your > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your idiocy! > You are > > asking why Astrology > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot - > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is there, > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there. > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it happens to few > > people. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you think > he > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would > have > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has time > to > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is > revolving > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra - > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is too > > > proud for that! > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service for your > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his service? I > am > > > sure you would have written something silly like this (your > current > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the > matter > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has done a > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri. > Abhishek > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot - > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not > > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person you > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is > capable > > > of..... > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure > was a > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or > not? > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this is > > > one reason why women in your life are running away from you. > Guruji > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your last > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her > name > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of > these - > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology can > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify > astrology - > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji is > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he > would > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you about > change > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. do > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his > replies > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his daily > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but thosands > of > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. If > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? That > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he is > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like > you - > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself > > > before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about > which > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti > has > > > written in his post. > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > .vedic astrology , " litsol " > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked Pandit > Ji's > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, I > was > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a clear > > > > communication is required, so at least a communication over > phone > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was > not > > > clear > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right > pronunciation > > > over > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was refused. > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing > given > > > was > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's > > > conditional > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then pandit > Ji > > > posted > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit ji > > > provided > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on > pronunciation > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish Volunteers " > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments or a > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly recommend > > > against > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to use > the > > > time > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation. > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain ultimately, > and > > > our > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's at > > > first > > > > > sight > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication > without > > > my > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself gave > u > > > hints > > > > > of a > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear some > > > thing > > > > > or the > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many that's > > > why u > > > > > are > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in > > > > > profession one > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no > > > doubts on > > > > > u, > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's faith > and > > > > > that u > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u > pls. > > > dont > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur mood > to > > > post > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply to > my > > > > > private > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced > technique in > > > the > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the final > > > outcome > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's > technique > > > but u > > > > > have > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end is > > > because > > > > > of > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people > like u > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way corroborated > and > > > > > intact in > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and > mantras u > > > > > provided > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect > for u > > > but u > > > > > are > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur > > > dasha and > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between myself > > > and one > > > > > of > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I have > > > given > > > > > him > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem > with > > > love > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna > chart > > > showed > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to > ghostly > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had taken > > > this > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him. > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and > also > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later > came > > > back to > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because his > > > family > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I replied > back > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into account > > > while > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to > leave > > > the > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble > him any > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his > horoscope, > > > and > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had > predicted > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. Actually, > > > dasa- > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and > > > contradictory > > > > > for > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the > date as > > > a > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I had > even > > > gone > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he may > > > not get > > > > > a > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; or > > > else it > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the > prashna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I though > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share the > > > prashna > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I am > > > unfair! > > > > > My > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an advanced > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be > > > confusing > > > > > and > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each > prashna > > > chart > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be > there > > > at all! > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me prompting > me > > > to > > > > > write > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I spend > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? Not > > > sharing > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed tradition......Am > I > > > not > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best > > > interests of > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your > > > reference. I > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic prashna > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is cutting > and > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am > justified > > > in my > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He does > not > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart > > > indicating > > > > > a > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by his > > > words > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not a > sign > > > of > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a > > > cheat! > > > > > Again > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my > > > > > professional > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and > > > commenting > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets > for > > > his > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > ---------------------- -- > ---- > > > ----- > > > > > - > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the > bane of > > > our > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the > public > > > > > roads > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking advanced > and > > > unique > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional > > > persistently > > > > > even > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very > rude . > > > The > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many > other > > > > > members > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering > what is > > > wrong > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I am > too > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from people > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I > have > > > no > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being unfair > is > > > rude > > > > > (in > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the > best of > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned > > > members > > > > > might > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my > > > repeated > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur analysis > > > and I > > > > > will > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say don't > > > seem fair > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u for > such > > > > > simple > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My > level > > > is not > > > > > a > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if tomorrow I > > > need to > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference. > If I > > > ask > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any > > > thing with > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 *|| Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||* Dear friends, I think both are right. Atharva Veda it self is said to be a made-up from the mantras of the other three Vedas. Regards, Shailesh On 7/20/07, sanjay sharma <drdevgun1 wrote: > > Dear Mr. Abhishek, > What ever I said has been from the information that I have gathered from > books, while studying Ayurveda as an undergraduate and post graduate > student. In all the literature available on Ayurveda, it is clearly > mentioned that it is an Upaveda of Atharvaveda. > > Well, I can not comment on this more as I have not read any of the Vedas , > so all I can say is that this may be a mere difference of opinion of the > people interpreting the vedas. > Regards, > Dr. Sanjay Sharma > > abhishekpotti <abhishekpotti <abhishekpotti%40.co.in>> > wrote: > Dear Dr. Sanjay Sharma: > > No Sir....Shri. Mohanraaam is correct in stating that Ayurveda is an > upaveda of Rig Veda. In fact the hints for further development of > Ayurveda are in the main Rig veda itself, and a Rig Vedic Adhyaayi > family known to me also claim that Ayur veda is an upaveda of Rig > Veda only (They have done traditional adhyayanam and completed > training in Ayurveda as a part of their upaveda). > > I am listing below the information found in websites also for your > reference: > > ------------------------- > > The term upaveda ( " secondary knowledge " ) is used in traditional > literature to designate the subjects of certain technical works.[47] > [48] They have no relation to the Vedas, except as subjects worthy > of study despite their secular character. Lists of what subjects are > included in this class differ among sources. Examples include: > > Medicine (Âyurveda) for Rig Veda > Archery, Military science (Dhanurveda) (see: Indian martial arts)- > for Yajur Veda > Music and sacred dance (Gândharvaveda) [3] - for Sama veda > Architecture (Sthâpatyaveda) - for Atharva Veda. Some say that > Arthashastra/ neethi shastra is the upaveda of Atharva veda but > traditional scholars of Kerala maintain sthapatya veda is the > upaveda of Atharva veda. > > --------------End quote------------- > > Anyway, we are all agreed in that Ayurveda is definitely an upaveda. > > Best regards, > Abhishek. > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > sanjay sharma > <drdevgun1 wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Mohanraam, > > I am in agreement with what you said about the upavedas with one > exception of Rigveda. Ayurveda is actually an upaveda of > Atharvaveda. > > Regards, > > Dr. Sanjay Sharma > > > > mohanraaam <mohanraaam wrote: > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > You have written ayurveda is mentioned in sulp sutraas....do you > > know one thing? Ayurveda is not in the same class as mathematics > or > > engineering.....Ayurveda comes as a " Upa Vedaa " . > > > > I am clarifying because genuine learners should not be confused by > > your senseless mutterings typical of a shallow knower of Indian > > traditions - usually atheists in Tamil Nadu used to speak like > that - > > assuming and clubbing every traditional learning as Vedaas and > > attacking them. One worthy even compared kaama sutra with sulpa > > sutras and said shaastraas were all pornographic - they will speak > > what comes to them at that moment. I think you are not an atheist > > but only a misguided young man who does not our shastras and what > > they stand for! > > > > The upavedas of the main three vedas have one upaveda each: > > > > 1) Rig Veda - has ayurveda as upaveda > > 2) yajur veda - has Dhanur Veda as upaveda. > > 3) Sama veda - has Gandharva veda as upaveda. > > > > Atharva veda itself is a work on incantations and is an applied > veda. > > > > So, do not club ayurveda with the minor 18 vedic shastras. It is a > > upaveda. > > > > Again, no knowledge is greater or small. But certain shastras are > > definitely given pride of place. Why do you object when I > > say " Divine Shastra of jotisha " ? > > > > If you do not revere jotisha why are you here? > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohanraaam, > > > > > > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of ur's > > language, > > > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover more > > about me. > > > > > > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right, check > > it in > > > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i came > in > > > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they didn't > like > > me, > > > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as inputs > > are > > > required to reach somewhere. > > > > > > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like break > > ups is > > > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in sense of > > > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u should > > be > > > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say, more > > and more > > > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya " > > > > > > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where is the > > > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see ur > > findings, > > > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I discussed > > with him > > > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average looks, > He > > said > > > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such proposals, i > > further > > > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet person, i > > dont > > > think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks and > good > > > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was asking > him > > and > > > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts. > > > > > > and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology in your > > > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your idiocy! > > You are > > > asking why Astrology > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot - > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not > > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on > > > subjects without knowing them " > > > > > > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is there, > > > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there. > > > > > > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it happens to > few > > > people. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " mohanraaam " > <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you > think > > he > > > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been > > > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would > > have > > > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has > time > > to > > > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is > > revolving > > > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra - > > > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what > > > > that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is > too > > > > proud for that! > > > > > > > > You have no right to expect anything except service for your > > > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you > > > > think you have bought him just because you asked his service? > I > > am > > > > sure you would have written something silly like this (your > > current > > > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the > > matter > > > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has > done a > > > > mistake and you are justified. > > > > > > > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri. > > Abhishek > > > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology > > > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? > Idiot - > > > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not > > > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and > are > > > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on > > > > subjects without knowing them. > > > > > > > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person > you > > > > are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is > > capable > > > > of..... > > > > > > > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure > > was a > > > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or > > not? > > > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of > > > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this > is > > > > one reason why women in your life are running away from you. > > Guruji > > > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna > > > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial > > > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and > > > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your > last > > > > serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her > > name > > > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of > > these - > > > > you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the > > > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself > > > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology > can > > > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will > > > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify > > astrology - > > > > because that is not possible!) > > > > > > > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji > is > > > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he > > would > > > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you about > > change > > > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the > > > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and > > > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine. > > > > > > > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a > > > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated > > > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. > do > > > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his > > replies > > > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his > daily > > > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but > thosands > > of > > > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. > If > > > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? > That > > > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he > is > > > > hiding himself. > > > > > > > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like > > you - > > > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out > > > > suffering people even if they are undeserving. > > > > > > > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself > > > > before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about > > which > > > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological > > > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti > > has > > > > written in his post. > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam. > > > > > > > > .--- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " litsol " > > > > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear primusjyotish, > > > > > > > > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked > Pandit > > Ji's > > > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, > I > > was > > > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a > clear > > > > > communication is required, so at least a communication over > > phone > > > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was > > not > > > > clear > > > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right > > pronunciation > > > > over > > > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was > refused. > > > > > > > > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals. > > > > > > > > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing > > given > > > > was > > > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's > > > > conditional > > > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then > pandit > > Ji > > > > posted > > > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit > ji > > > > provided > > > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on > > pronunciation > > > > > removed. > > > > > > > > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " Jyotish Volunteers " > > > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments > or a > > > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly > recommend > > > > against > > > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to > use > > the > > > > time > > > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain > ultimately, > > and > > > > our > > > > > > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > " litsol " > > mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's > at > > > > first > > > > > > sight > > > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication > > without > > > > my > > > > > > > consent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself > gave > > u > > > > hints > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear > some > > > > thing > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing > > infomation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many > that's > > > > why u > > > > > > are > > > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in > > > > > > profession one > > > > > > > sided, can not be justified. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no > > > > doubts on > > > > > > u, > > > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's > faith > > and > > > > > > that u > > > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u > > pls. > > > > dont > > > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur > mood > > to > > > > post > > > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply > to > > my > > > > > > private > > > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced > > technique in > > > > the > > > > > > > group, I dont know how to react. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the > final > > > > outcome > > > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's > > technique > > > > but u > > > > > > have > > > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end > is > > > > because > > > > > > of > > > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people > > like u > > > > > > > insttalled within. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way > corroborated > > and > > > > > > intact in > > > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and > > mantras u > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect > > for u > > > > but u > > > > > > are > > > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur > > > > dasha and > > > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic- > astrology <astrology%40>, > " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between > myself > > > > and one > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I > have > > > > given > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem > > with > > > > love > > > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna > > chart > > > > showed > > > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to > > ghostly > > > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had > taken > > > > this > > > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member > > > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him. > > > > Instead, I > > > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and > > also > > > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later > > came > > > > back to > > > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because > his > > > > family > > > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I > replied > > back > > > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into > account > > > > while > > > > > > > > giving my suggestions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to > > leave > > > > the > > > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble > > him any > > > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his > > horoscope, > > > > and > > > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had > > predicted > > > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. > Actually, > > > > dasa- > > > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and > > > > contradictory > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and > > > > balanced/counter- > > > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the > > date as > > > > a > > > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I > had > > even > > > > gone > > > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he > may > > > > not get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; > or > > > > else it > > > > > > > > might even be denied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the > > prashna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I > though > > > > Paisacha > > > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share > the > > > > prashna > > > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I > am > > > > unfair! > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an > advanced > > > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be > > > > confusing > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each > > prashna > > > > chart > > > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be > > there > > > > at all! > > > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me > prompting > > me > > > > to > > > > > > write > > > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I > spend > > > > > > pointless > > > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve > > > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? > Not > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed > tradition......Am > > I > > > > not > > > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best > > > > interests of > > > > > > > > the member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your > > > > reference. I > > > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic > prashna > > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is > cutting > > and > > > > > > pasting > > > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am > > justified > > > > in my > > > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He > does > > not > > > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart > > > > indicating > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by > his > > > > words > > > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not > a > > sign > > > > of > > > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a > > > > cheat! > > > > > > Again > > > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and > > > > commenting > > > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets > > for > > > > his > > > > > > > > service? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the extract.... > > > > > > > > ---------------------- > -- > > ---- > > > > ----- > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the > > bane of > > > > our > > > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the > > public > > > > > > roads > > > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking > advanced > > and > > > > unique > > > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional > > > > persistently > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very > > rude . > > > > The > > > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be > > > > > > misinterpreted > > > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many > > other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering > > what is > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of > > yours!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I > am > > too > > > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from > people > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I > > have > > > > no > > > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being > unfair > > is > > > > rude > > > > > > (in > > > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the > other). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the > > best of > > > > > > > > intentions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned > > > > members > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my > > > > repeated > > > > > > > > replies to you). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur > analysis > > > > and I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say > don't > > > > seem fair > > > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u > for > > such > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My > > level > > > > is not > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if > tomorrow I > > > > need to > > > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference. > > If I > > > > ask > > > > > > u, u > > > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any > > > > thing with > > > > > > > > ur approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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