Just a post to prove the efficacy of astrology to Lalith

July 19, 2007

Dear Lalith:

You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you think he

has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been

pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would have

been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has time to

spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is revolving

around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra -

what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what

that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is too

proud for that!

You have no right to expect anything except service for your

payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you

think you have bought him just because you asked his service? I am

sure you would have written something silly like this (your current

post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the matter

is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has done a

mistake and you are justified.

And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri. Abhishek

also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology

alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

subjects without knowing them.

I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person you

are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is capable

of.....

Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure was a

widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or not?

Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of

your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this is

one reason why women in your life are running away from you. Guruji

has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna

clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial

interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and

troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your last

serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her name

is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of these -

you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the

initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself

difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology can

give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify astrology -

because that is not possible!)

Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji is

too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he would

have found out all these. He would have counselled you about change

of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the

hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and

projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a

learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated

with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. do

you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his replies

through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his daily

schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but thosands of

admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. If

all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? That

is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he is

hiding himself.

It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like you -

the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out

suffering people even if they are undeserving.

Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself

before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about which

you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological

knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti has

written in his post.

Mohanraaam.

.vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Dear primusjyotish,

>

> You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked Pandit Ji's

> phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, I was

> surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a clear

> communication is required, so at least a communication over phone

> should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was not

clear

> on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right pronunciation

over

> phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was refused.

>

> I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

>

> And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing given

was

> very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's

conditional

> too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then pandit Ji

posted

> my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit ji

provided

> me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on pronunciation

> removed.

>

> Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology , " Jyotish Volunteers "

> <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> >

> > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments or a

> > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet.

> >

> > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly recommend

against

> > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to use the

time

> > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation.

> >

> > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain ultimately, and

our

> > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ...

> >

> > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Pandit Ji,

> > >

> > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's at

first

> > sight

> > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication without

my

> > > consent.

> > >

> > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself gave u

hints

> > of a

> > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear some

thing

> > or the

> > > other. This should not be basis of not providing infomation.

> > >

> > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many that's

why u

> > are

> > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in

> > profession one

> > > sided, can not be justified.

> > >

> > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no

doubts on

> > u,

> > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > >

> > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's faith and

> > that u

> > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u pls.

dont

> > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur mood to

post

> > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply to my

> > private

> > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced technique in

the

> > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > >

> > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the final

outcome

> > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's technique

but u

> > have

> > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me.

> > >

> > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end is

because

> > of

> > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people like u

> > > insttalled within.

> > >

> > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way corroborated and

> > intact in

> > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and mantras u

> > provided

> > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect for u

but u

> > are

> > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur

dasha and

> > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members:

> > > >

> > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between myself

and one

> > of

> > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I have

given

> > him

> > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a

prashna

> > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem with

love

> > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna chart

showed

> > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to ghostly

> > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had taken

this

> > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member

> > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him.

Instead, I

> > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and also

> > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later came

back to

> > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because his

family

> > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I replied back

> > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into account

while

> > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to leave

the

> > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble him any

> > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his horoscope,

and

> > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had predicted

> > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. Actually,

dasa-

> > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and

contradictory

> > for

> > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

balanced/counter-

> > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the date as

a

> > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I had even

gone

> > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he may

not get

> > a

> > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; or

else it

> > > > might even be denied.

> > > >

> > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the prashna

> > chart

> > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I though

Paisacha

> > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share the

prashna

> > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I am

unfair!

> > My

> > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an advanced

> > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be

confusing

> > and

> > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each prashna

chart

> > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be there

at all!

> > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me prompting me

to

> > write

> > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I spend

> > pointless

> > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve

> > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? Not

sharing

> > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed tradition......Am I

not

> > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best

interests of

> > > > the member?

> > > >

> > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your

reference. I

> > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic prashna

> > traditions

> > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is cutting and

> > pasting

> > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am justified

in my

> > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He does not

> > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart

indicating

> > a

> > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by his

words

> > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not a sign

of

> > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a

cheat!

> > Again

> > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my

> > professional

> > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and

commenting

> > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets for

his

> > > > service?

> > > >

> > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > ----------------------------

-----

> > -

> > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > >

> > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the bane of

our

> > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the public

> > roads

> > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking advanced and

unique

> > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional

persistently

> > even

> > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very rude .

The

> > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be

> > misinterpreted

> > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many other

> > members

> > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering what is

wrong

> > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of yours!)

> > > >

> > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I am too

> > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from people

> > regarding

> > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I have

no

> > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being unfair is

rude

> > (in

> > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the other).

> > > >

> > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the best of

> > > > intentions.

> > > >

> > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned

members

> > might

> > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my

repeated

> > > > replies to you).

> > > >

> > > > Blessed be.

> > > >

> > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > >

> > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur analysis

and I

> > will

> > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say don't

seem fair

> > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > >

> > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > >

> > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u for such

> > simple

> > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My level

is not

> > a

> > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if tomorrow I

need to

> > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference. If I

ask

> > u, u

> > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any

thing with

> > > > ur approach.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > >

> >

===================================================================

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 19, 2007

Dear Mohanraaam,

I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of ur's language,

ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover more about me.

And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right, check it in

ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i came in

touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they didn't like me,

It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as inputs are

required to reach somewhere.

See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like break ups is

true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in sense of

break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u should be

careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say, more and more

remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where is the

" P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see ur findings,

What Guruji said was completely different from u, I discussed with him

why i dont get proposals from girls even having average looks, He said

to me, You change utr attitude and consider such proposals, i further

asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet person, i dont

think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks and good

nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was asking him and

describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology in your

arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your idiocy! You are

asking why Astrology

alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

subjects without knowing them "

Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is there,

Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there.

You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it happens to few

people.

regards,

Lalit.

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you think he

> has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been

> pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would have

> been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has time to

> spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is revolving

> around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra -

> what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what

> that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is too

> proud for that!

>

> You have no right to expect anything except service for your

> payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you

> think you have bought him just because you asked his service? I am

> sure you would have written something silly like this (your current

> post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the matter

> is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has done a

> mistake and you are justified.

>

> And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri. Abhishek

> also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology

> alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

> Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

> entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> subjects without knowing them.

>

> I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person you

> are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is capable

> of.....

>

> Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure was a

> widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or not?

> Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of

> your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this is

> one reason why women in your life are running away from you. Guruji

> has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna

> clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial

> interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and

> troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your last

> serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her name

> is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of these -

> you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the

> initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself

> difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology can

> give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify astrology -

> because that is not possible!)

>

> Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji is

> too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he would

> have found out all these. He would have counselled you about change

> of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the

> hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and

> projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

>

> Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a

> learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated

> with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. do

> you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his replies

> through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his daily

> schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but thosands of

> admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. If

> all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? That

> is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he is

> hiding himself.

>

> It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like you -

> the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out

> suffering people even if they are undeserving.

>

> Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself

> before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about which

> you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological

> knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti has

> written in his post.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear primusjyotish,

> >

> > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked Pandit Ji's

> > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, I was

> > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a clear

> > communication is required, so at least a communication over phone

> > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was not

> clear

> > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right pronunciation

> over

> > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was refused.

> >

> > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> >

> > And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing given

> was

> > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's

> conditional

> > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then pandit Ji

> posted

> > my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit ji

> provided

> > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on pronunciation

> > removed.

> >

> > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments or a

> > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet.

> > >

> > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly recommend

> against

> > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to use the

> time

> > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation.

> > >

> > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain ultimately, and

> our

> > > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ...

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's at

> first

> > > sight

> > > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication without

> my

> > > > consent.

> > > >

> > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself gave u

> hints

> > > of a

> > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear some

> thing

> > > or the

> > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing infomation.

> > > >

> > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many that's

> why u

> > > are

> > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in

> > > profession one

> > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > >

> > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no

> doubts on

> > > u,

> > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's faith and

> > > that u

> > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u pls.

> dont

> > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur mood to

> post

> > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply to my

> > > private

> > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced technique in

> the

> > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > >

> > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the final

> outcome

> > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's technique

> but u

> > > have

> > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me.

> > > >

> > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end is

> because

> > > of

> > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people like u

> > > > insttalled within.

> > > >

> > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way corroborated and

> > > intact in

> > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and mantras u

> > > provided

> > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect for u

> but u

> > > are

> > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur

> dasha and

> > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between myself

> and one

> > > of

> > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I have

> given

> > > him

> > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a

> prashna

> > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem with

> love

> > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna chart

> showed

> > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to ghostly

> > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had taken

> this

> > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member

> > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him.

> Instead, I

> > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and also

> > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later came

> back to

> > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because his

> family

> > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I replied back

> > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into account

> while

> > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to leave

> the

> > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble him any

> > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his horoscope,

> and

> > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had predicted

> > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. Actually,

> dasa-

> > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and

> contradictory

> > > for

> > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> balanced/counter-

> > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the date as

> a

> > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I had even

> gone

> > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he may

> not get

> > > a

> > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; or

> else it

> > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the prashna

> > > chart

> > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I though

> Paisacha

> > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share the

> prashna

> > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I am

> unfair!

> > > My

> > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an advanced

> > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be

> confusing

> > > and

> > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each prashna

> chart

> > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be there

> at all!

> > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me prompting me

> to

> > > write

> > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I spend

> > > pointless

> > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve

> > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? Not

> sharing

> > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed tradition......Am I

> not

> > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best

> interests of

> > > > > the member?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your

> reference. I

> > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic prashna

> > > traditions

> > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is cutting and

> > > pasting

> > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am justified

> in my

> > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He does not

> > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart

> indicating

> > > a

> > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by his

> words

> > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not a sign

> of

> > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a

> cheat!

> > > Again

> > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my

> > > professional

> > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and

> commenting

> > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets for

> his

> > > > > service?

> > > > >

> > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > ----------------------------

> -----

> > > -

> > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > >

> > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the bane of

> our

> > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the public

> > > roads

> > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking advanced and

> unique

> > > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional

> persistently

> > > even

> > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very rude .

> The

> > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be

> > > misinterpreted

> > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many other

> > > members

> > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering what is

> wrong

> > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of yours!)

> > > > >

> > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I am too

> > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from people

> > > regarding

> > > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I have

> no

> > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being unfair is

> rude

> > > (in

> > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the other).

> > > > >

> > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the best of

> > > > > intentions.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned

> members

> > > might

> > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my

> repeated

> > > > > replies to you).

> > > > >

> > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > >

> > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur analysis

> and I

> > > will

> > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say don't

> seem fair

> > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > >

> > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u for such

> > > simple

> > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My level

> is not

> > > a

> > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if tomorrow I

> need to

> > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference. If I

> ask

> > > u, u

> > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any

> thing with

> > > > > ur approach.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

July 19, 2007

Dear Abhishek:

Know the difference between shastraas and the vedaangas.....you

think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have known all

these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and Jyotisam are

the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 mighty arts

with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to pass

judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons of

knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life with a

happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he has not

divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he should

probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy levels to this

group......

You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do you tell of

a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when they

reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level of a

mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ preeti.....I am

sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this regard

would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet on that.

But definitely you will come out with your own versions to deny this.

Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not have

shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have found it

out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt others

unnecessarily.

Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that without

actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

astrologers read far more into charts than what they indicate from

conventional astrological classics - it is an applied field and the

horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for prediction in

the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of astrological

research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of behaving with

learned astrologers!

Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you - a

buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know the

differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails carefully

and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold usually.

Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look for " your

own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that, it is a

waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his counsel,

try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop insulting and

passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for astrological

development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing on the

craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern research

into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the need for

evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who follow

ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all these

predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara has its

own significance. You still eat through your mouth though times

have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating through the

other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has not

changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. Only minor

modification of interpretaions are needed to suit predictions to

modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

Mohanraaam.

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Dear Mohanraaam,

>

> I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of ur's

language,

> ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover more

about me.

>

> And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right, check

it in

> ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i came in

> touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they didn't like

me,

> It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as inputs

are

> required to reach somewhere.

>

> See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like break

ups is

> true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in sense of

> break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u should

be

> careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say, more

and more

> remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

>

> Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where is the

> " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see ur

findings,

> What Guruji said was completely different from u, I discussed

with him

> why i dont get proposals from girls even having average looks, He

said

> to me, You change utr attitude and consider such proposals, i

further

> asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet person, i

dont

> think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks and good

> nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was asking him

and

> describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

>

> and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology in your

> arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your idiocy!

You are

> asking why Astrology

> alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

> Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

> entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> subjects without knowing them "

>

> Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is there,

> Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there.

>

> You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it happens to few

> people.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalith:

> >

> > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you think

he

> > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been

> > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would

have

> > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has time

to

> > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is

revolving

> > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra -

> > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what

> > that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is too

> > proud for that!

> >

> > You have no right to expect anything except service for your

> > payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you

> > think you have bought him just because you asked his service? I

am

> > sure you would have written something silly like this (your

current

> > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the

matter

> > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has done a

> > mistake and you are justified.

> >

> > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri.

Abhishek

> > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology

> > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

> > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

> > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> > subjects without knowing them.

> >

> > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person you

> > are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is

capable

> > of.....

> >

> > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure

was a

> > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or

not?

> > Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of

> > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this is

> > one reason why women in your life are running away from you.

Guruji

> > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna

> > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial

> > interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and

> > troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your last

> > serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her

name

> > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of

these -

> > you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the

> > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself

> > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology can

> > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

astrology -

> > because that is not possible!)

> >

> > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji is

> > too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he

would

> > have found out all these. He would have counselled you about

change

> > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the

> > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and

> > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> >

> > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a

> > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated

> > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. do

> > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his

replies

> > through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his daily

> > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but thosands

of

> > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. If

> > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? That

> > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he is

> > hiding himself.

> >

> > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like

you -

> > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out

> > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> >

> > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself

> > before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about

which

> > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological

> > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti

has

> > written in his post.

> >

> > Mohanraaam.

> >

> > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > >

> > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked Pandit

Ji's

> > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, I

was

> > > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a clear

> > > communication is required, so at least a communication over

phone

> > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was

not

> > clear

> > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

pronunciation

> > over

> > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was refused.

> > >

> > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > >

> > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing

given

> > was

> > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's

> > conditional

> > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then pandit

Ji

> > posted

> > > my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit ji

> > provided

> > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

pronunciation

> > > removed.

> > >

> > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments or a

> > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet.

> > > >

> > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly recommend

> > against

> > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to use

the

> > time

> > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation.

> > > >

> > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain ultimately,

and

> > our

> > > > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ...

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

mishra.lalit@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's at

> > first

> > > > sight

> > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication

without

> > my

> > > > > consent.

> > > > >

> > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself gave

u

> > hints

> > > > of a

> > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear some

> > thing

> > > > or the

> > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

infomation.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many that's

> > why u

> > > > are

> > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in

> > > > profession one

> > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > >

> > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no

> > doubts on

> > > > u,

> > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's faith

and

> > > > that u

> > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u

pls.

> > dont

> > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur mood

to

> > post

> > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply to

my

> > > > private

> > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

technique in

> > the

> > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > >

> > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the final

> > outcome

> > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's

technique

> > but u

> > > > have

> > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end is

> > because

> > > > of

> > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people

like u

> > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way corroborated

and

> > > > intact in

> > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and

mantras u

> > > > provided

> > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect

for u

> > but u

> > > > are

> > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur

> > dasha and

> > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between myself

> > and one

> > > > of

> > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I have

> > given

> > > > him

> > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a

> > prashna

> > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem

with

> > love

> > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna

chart

> > showed

> > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to

ghostly

> > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had taken

> > this

> > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member

> > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him.

> > Instead, I

> > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and

also

> > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later

came

> > back to

> > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because his

> > family

> > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I replied

back

> > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into account

> > while

> > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to

leave

> > the

> > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble

him any

> > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

horoscope,

> > and

> > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had

predicted

> > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. Actually,

> > dasa-

> > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and

> > contradictory

> > > > for

> > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the

date as

> > a

> > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I had

even

> > gone

> > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he may

> > not get

> > > > a

> > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; or

> > else it

> > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the

prashna

> > > > chart

> > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I though

> > Paisacha

> > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share the

> > prashna

> > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I am

> > unfair!

> > > > My

> > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an advanced

> > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be

> > confusing

> > > > and

> > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each

prashna

> > chart

> > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be

there

> > at all!

> > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me prompting

me

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I spend

> > > > pointless

> > > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve

> > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? Not

> > sharing

> > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed tradition......Am

I

> > not

> > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best

> > interests of

> > > > > > the member?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your

> > reference. I

> > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic prashna

> > > > traditions

> > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is cutting

and

> > > > pasting

> > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am

justified

> > in my

> > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He does

not

> > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart

> > indicating

> > > > a

> > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by his

> > words

> > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not a

sign

> > of

> > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a

> > cheat!

> > > > Again

> > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my

> > > > professional

> > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and

> > commenting

> > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets

for

> > his

> > > > > > service?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > ------------------------

----

> > -----

> > > > -

> > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the

bane of

> > our

> > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the

public

> > > > roads

> > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking advanced

and

> > unique

> > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional

> > persistently

> > > > even

> > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very

rude .

> > The

> > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be

> > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many

other

> > > > members

> > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering

what is

> > wrong

> > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of

yours!)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I am

too

> > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from people

> > > > regarding

> > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I

have

> > no

> > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being unfair

is

> > rude

> > > > (in

> > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the other).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the

best of

> > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned

> > members

> > > > might

> > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my

> > repeated

> > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur analysis

> > and I

> > > > will

> > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say don't

> > seem fair

> > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u for

such

> > > > simple

> > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My

level

> > is not

> > > > a

> > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if tomorrow I

> > need to

> > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference.

If I

> > ask

> > > > u, u

> > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any

> > thing with

> > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

===================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

July 19, 2007

Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego...

Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while replying to me.

Pls. cool down.

I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " ,

The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I will tell u

- " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is Preeti and other

is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is caught up in

abundance of EGO.

Preeti is a Biotech student and she contacted me after she saw my

profile in the net, She is taller than me and 9 yrs younger to me,

still, wanted to proceed towards marriage, I thought this may look good

today but tomorrow may not, I asked her to not to contact me as i dont

think good prospects of togatherness, off cource, she w'd have

discussed it in my home town, Rewa is not a big place and we all are

brahmins, so things gets spread, the communication was throuh net and

few times through phone, pls. mind it, i have not seen her physically.

never met her physically. So, ur prashan chart skills need to ne

refined, the basic is good, after a point and the interprition that u do

is misleading. Ok.

Next is Priya, I liked this girl more, and felt bad about her, she is a

kind of girl, misguided by the peers and this age.

I never met her also, try to check in ur's prashna chart, She again met

me through Net, She gave her false introduction like She is a Software

Engineer, working with mphasis and about to visit Germany, All was

wrong. She had a boy friend, already proposed her, but some disturbance

between them came, He didn't belong to a good family and of cheep type

guy, I was worried for her, I never wanted her to spoil her life with a

such type of guy, I tried to convince about the meaning of life and

values of our culture, She felt bad, and got angry, Once what happened

and still unbelievable to me, let me put here, During my daily puja, I

saw Shani is coming to me and has occupied me, I have got divine

protection form lord Hanuman Ji, still, i could not call him for help,

what i could do and i had no idea about a learned siddha, what happens

is, in a minute My frined Nirmesh called me from mumbai.

My friend is a Sr, HR Manager with Reliance Retail, he was with his girl

friend, in fact i played a role in reconcilation of disturbance between

them so they were calling me, As Priya told to me, she lives in Bombay,

I missed her, and thought to contact her, I wanted to write a mail about

me , a mail with all my emotions but here Saturn Played a role and in

place of sending that emotionl mail to Priya, I happen to post that mail

in a , she and me both were members, I created that group to

promote youngersters of my region in software industry, and my own

personal mail was posted in the group, My own mistake, Pls. check, if u

are referring to this incident.

She became so angry on me, but what i could do, all was my mistake and i

lost her, I w'd like to tell u more, A friend of me was jobless, I gave

him my own CV to put his name on the CV with all my projects in his

name, Pls check in ur's prashna chart. How i help people. Next day

after this incident, His birthday came, And the Priya addressed him with

so much of respect, The guy, in place of showing a respect towards me

for my help, commented on me, A cunning man, I dont know he and many

others have contributed more in widening the gap in between me and

Priya.

I still dont know who this priya was and where she lives in, If she is a

girl or a game of those guys who wanted me to look down in that

Group. coz, when i started searching her, what i found is, in mphasis

there is only one Priya Tiwari, who works with a BPO, she is not a

Software Engineer and she was never posted in Bombay, She was in Noida

itself. For ur satisfaction, I can post my mails to HR department of

Mphasis.

I dont know what happend to her, This BPO priya, i also have not met

her, looks different than the other Priya whom i was searching.

So, Dear old friend, Check ur Prashna Chart skills more and more, Baiscs

are correct, ur interpretition is quite wrong and u have not got enough

experience in life to judge me and realities.

whatever be is Vedanga or Shastra, I wanted to let u know every bit of

knowledge is divine and pavitra. Leave the arrogance and start doing

preperation for ur journey that u have to do in near future.

If any one in the Group, can give light on this Priya's case, coz i had

soft feelings for her despite her all lies, w'd be grateful otherwise

it's OK. Can u tell me how and where she is and if she really exists,

and if any occult people can help me in establishing a contact with her

if she really exists w'd be good for me.

I didn't tell about Preeti and Priya to Pandit ji it was not necessary,

better if he w'd have told me sth about them, but Pandit Ji all the time

kept telling me about my Karmic Balance of the previous birth, It was me

who gave him hints abot the spirit, Not he, he didnt tell me any thing

about the spirit and when i told him about the spirti's storey, he said

he has seen it Prashan chart, tell me where i was wrong, I asked him to

give me Prashan Chart, he denied.

Dear old friend, why u could not see in ur's prashna chart the Saturn

who got me occupied me during my Puja, I was not sleeping, I saw him

with open eyes.

Pls. check ur's prashna chart and I w'd request Mr. Rafal to interefere

and tell me about Priya, coz, i m having some pain, I dont know anything

, any truth of Priya Tiwari. I have her photograpgh that she sent to me

which differs from the Priya whom i discovered in mphasis.

Will any one come to help me ?

regards,

Lalit.

vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam

wrote:

>

> Dear Abhishek:

>

> Know the difference between shastraas and the vedaangas.....you

> think an astrologer and a yogi like me would not have known all

> these! siksha, kalpam, chandas, mimamsa,nruktam and Jyotisam are

> the vedangas. Don't confuse the 18 shastras or the 64 mighty arts

> with vedanga. You are shallow young man but are trying to pass

> judgments on great branches of knowledge and great persons of

> knowledge. I am 86 years old and have lived a full life with a

> happy wife and 4 intelligent, well-settled children. Not a

> frustrated unmarried luckless youngman like you!

>

> Whatever you said to Panditji...I do not know because he has not

> divulged the complete exchange inthe forum...I think he should

> probably do that to expose your arrogance and idiocy levels to this

> group......

>

> You may say that you did not have affairs - then what do you tell of

> a thing when you go after ladies and get heart-broken when they

> reject your proposal? You could not proceed to the level of a

> mutual affair because they did not entertain you at all!

>

> You have not commented on my finding about Priya/ preeti.....I am

> sure it is correct! And definitely your failures in this regard

> would have been a butt of jokes in your circle. I can bet on that.

> But definitely you will come out with your own versions to deny this.

>

> Did you tell all this to Guruji? I am sure you would not have

> shared it in this light - but mark my words, he would have found it

> out definitely! Only thing is - he is too decent to hurt others

> unnecessarily.

>

> Your posts are not clear....you are saying this and that without

> actually commenting on what others have written. Don't pass

> judgement on astrology or its efficacy.Astrology is a basic

> technique that one learns before predicting - but advanced

> astrologers read far more into charts than what they indicate from

> conventional astrological classics - it is an applied field and the

> horoscope is just a focus and an accessory tool for prediction in

> the hands of the greatest masters of this field.

>

> Definitely you are not one to comment on the need of astrological

> research without knowing the basic vedic etiquettes of behaving with

> learned astrologers!

>

> Definitely Guruji's wise counsel have been useless to you - a

> buffalo will cherish only the muddy waters - will it know the

> differnece between Ganges and the gutter?

>

> One suggestion young man - try to go into Guruji's mails carefully

> and quietly. His words are worth their weight in gold usually.

> Many have benefitted by his counsel - do not try to look for " your

> own version of truths " from his writings. If you do that, it is a

> waste of whatever money you paid Panditji. Understand his counsel,

> try to follow them, and you will do fine. But, stop insulting and

> passing unnecessary remarks on astrology and need for astrological

> development. Some self-seeking astrologers - capitalizing on the

> craze of Indian public for " scientific " research, " modern research

> into old classics " etc, have written volumes about the need for

> evolution of astrology whereas the reality is those who follow

> ancient classical wisdom have proved more efficient in all these

> predictive techniques than those " researchers " . Parampara has its

> own significance. You still eat through your mouth though times

> have changed (I am assuming here; or are you eating through the

> other end for novelty sake?). In the same way, nature has not

> changed only certain outer manifestations have changed. Only minor

> modification of interpretaions are needed to suit predictions to

> modern day life and definitely there are not much gaps.

>

> Mohanraaam.

>

> vedic astrology , " litsol " mishra.lalit@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mohanraaam,

> >

> > I cant say u " Idiot " and wont speak to u using level of ur's

> language,

> > ok, Pls. check ur's Prashna Skills 100 times and discover more

> about me.

> >

> > And my love affairs, I had no affair with any one, right, check

> it in

> > ur Prashan Chart, however, when marriage came in my mind, i came in

> > touch with girls, liked two or three of them, ok, they didn't like

> me,

> > It happens. It was me who beforehand informed Panditji as inputs

> are

> > required to reach somewhere.

> >

> > See, i can say, the basic finding of ur prashan chart like break

> ups is

> > true, but is little it misleading too, as no brak up in sense of

> > break-up happened as no affiar even started, sometimes, u should

> be

> > careful more in reaching ur conclusions, that's why i say, more

> and more

> > remains to discover, It's - " Apaurusheya "

> >

> > Well, can u tell, in the storey, u posted in group, where is the

> > " P-Priya, Preti etc.. " ? I will be more than happy to see ur

> findings,

> > What Guruji said was completely different from u, I discussed

> with him

> > why i dont get proposals from girls even having average looks, He

> said

> > to me, You change utr attitude and consider such proposals, i

> further

> > asked him is it a big expectation to find a nice sweet person, i

> dont

> > think a model or actress but a girl with little good looks and good

> > nature, even it is difficult, if it is difficult, i was asking him

> and

> > describing him about me, my needs, my thoughts.

> >

> > and on what u did write - " And your posts about astrology in your

> > arguments with Shri. Abhishek also clearly protray your idiocy!

> You are

> > asking why Astrology

> > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

> > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

> > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> > subjects without knowing them "

> >

> > Pls study " Shulb Sutras " ok, U will find, Engineering is there,

> > Mathmatics is there, Ayourveda as medical science is there.

> >

> > You are showing u r too full of urself, somtimes it happens to few

> > people.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalith:

> > >

> > > You " demanded " Panditji's phone no. and he refused....you think

> he

> > > has no right to do that? It is his privacy...when you have been

> > > pestering him over email how much more irresponsible you would

> have

> > > been if he had given his phone no.? You think Panditji has time

> to

> > > spend on worthless brats like you who think the world is

> revolving

> > > around them? He has sent you an audio recording of the mantra -

> > > what else you need to know? Is the Great Man your slave or what

> > > that you can demand everything that you want from him? He is too

> > > proud for that!

> > >

> > > You have no right to expect anything except service for your

> > > payment - assuming you have made some payment to Guruji! Do you

> > > think you have bought him just because you asked his service? I

> am

> > > sure you would have written something silly like this (your

> current

> > > post is in itself silly) that annoyed Panditji! You say the

> matter

> > > is over - but you keep on saying things as if Panditji has done a

> > > mistake and you are justified.

> > >

> > > And your posts about astrology in your arguments with Shri.

> Abhishek

> > > also clearly protray your idiocy! You are asking why Astrology

> > > alone is Divine and why not Engineering and other things? Idiot -

> > > Astrology is a " Vedanga " a direct limb of the Vedas and not

> > > Engineering......You do not know all this classifications and are

> > > entering into debate on all these. Do not try to comment on

> > > subjects without knowing them.

> > >

> > > I just checked up a prashna chart to see what sort of person you

> > > are.....From this, try to understand what all astrology is

> capable

> > > of.....

> > >

> > > Last year you would have proposed to a Lady - and your failure

> was a

> > > widely circulated joke in your social circle.....is it true or

> not?

> > > Just understand - people have made fun of you only because of

> > > your " loser " attitude. You are childish in your attitude; this is

> > > one reason why women in your life are running away from you.

> Guruji

> > > has just hinted on love failures in his post - but my prashna

> > > clearly indicates they have rejected you outright after initial

> > > interactions with you because you have been " chasing " them and

> > > troubling them with undiplomatic messages persistently. Your last

> > > serious connection when the lady rejected your proposal - her

> name

> > > is likely to be in the " pa " varga (preeti, Priya, etc. any of

> these -

> > > you may think I have not found the right name - but knowing the

> > > initial word of a person about whom I know nothing is in itself

> > > difficult - and no amount of research in scientific astrology can

> > > give the exact name! Don't think your " researches " will

> > > automatically pave the way to find the name and glorify

> astrology -

> > > because that is not possible!)

> > >

> > > Now do you understand what an astrologer is capable of! Guruji is

> > > too decent to insult you by writing like this - definitely he

> would

> > > have found out all these. He would have counselled you about

> change

> > > of attitude mainly regarding this....you would not have got the

> > > hint. Yet in message after message you are justifying and

> > > projecting as if your grievance is genuine.

> > >

> > > Heights of arrogance - thinking you have the right to disturb a

> > > learned senior astrologer as and when you want! I am associated

> > > with Panditji for so long and yet I do not have his mobile no. do

> > > you know that? He has email id and he is very prompt in his

> replies

> > > through that. Do you know anything of that great man or his daily

> > > schedules? He has not merely one client like you - but thosands

> of

> > > admirers, students, disciples, and clients all over the world. If

> > > all start calling Guruji will he ever have time for himself? That

> > > is why he is not giving the mobile. Your post speaks as if he is

> > > hiding himself.

> > >

> > > It is probably his mistake that he is helping out people like

> you -

> > > the great man does not differentiate much and tries to help out

> > > suffering people even if they are undeserving.

> > >

> > > Try to change your attitude for your own good. Improve yourself

> > > before trying to comment on great fields like astrology, about

> which

> > > you do not know even a speck. There are no gaps in astrological

> > > knowledge. Enough knowledge has been documented as Shri. Potti

> has

> > > written in his post.

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam.

> > >

> > > .vedic astrology , " litsol "

> > > mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear primusjyotish,

> > > >

> > > > You are right, in fact differences begane, when i asked Pandit

> Ji's

> > > > phone nos to communicate to him, he refused to give his nos, I

> was

> > > > surprised, being a client, paying for the consultation a clear

> > > > communication is required, so at least a communication over

> phone

> > > > should happen, It was refused, he recommened a mantra, i was

> not

> > > clear

> > > > on it's pronunciation, the rerequest to tell right

> pronunciation

> > > over

> > > > phone was also refused, then a copy of charts made was refused.

> > > >

> > > > I didnt come to group for so many refusals.

> > > >

> > > > And there were two contradictory explanations , the timing

> given

> > > was

> > > > very wide for an event - one year and it was said that it's

> > > conditional

> > > > too, I was not understanding what to conclude and then pandit

> Ji

> > > posted

> > > > my private communication partly in the group. Later, pandit ji

> > > provided

> > > > me sound files of the mantras, ok, my confusion on

> pronunciation

> > > > removed.

> > > >

> > > > Now, it is over, and i dont want to discuss it further.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , " Jyotish Volunteers "

> > > > <primusjyotishi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > One would not consult a doctor for his physical ailments or a

> > > > > psychiatrist for his mental ailments through internet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Perhaps this is why many like Sri K.N. Rao strongly recommend

> > > against

> > > > > seeking solutions to serious matters via internet and to use

> the

> > > time

> > > > > tested procedure of face-to-face, in-person consultation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Convenience gets in the way and causes more pain ultimately,

> and

> > > our

> > > > > need to get the answer here and now, unfortunately ...

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

> mishra.lalit@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pandit Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I bought a service and had a private communication, it's at

> > > first

> > > > > sight

> > > > > > wrong for u to post any part of private communication

> without

> > > my

> > > > > > consent.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > U cant imagine anything solely at ur end, if i myself gave

> u

> > > hints

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > possible obstacle due to spirit, how i m going to fear some

> > > thing

> > > > > or the

> > > > > > other. This should not be basis of not providing

> infomation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are at advanced level, which is realized by many that's

> > > why u

> > > > > are

> > > > > > being contacted, but that u r into deciding everything in

> > > > > profession one

> > > > > > sided, can not be justified.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though, i wanted chart for keeping in my records, with no

> > > doubts on

> > > > > u,

> > > > > > ur apporach makes me think otherwise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any profession, transparency is key to gain one's faith

> and

> > > > > that u

> > > > > > didn't bother this, on the basis of ur advanced level u

> pls.

> > > dont

> > > > > > justify what is incorrect, it's a pity that u make ur mood

> to

> > > post

> > > > > > private communication and at the same time, in ur reply to

> my

> > > > > private

> > > > > > mail id, u accused me that i can post ur advanced

> technique in

> > > the

> > > > > > group, I dont know how to react.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's a clear contradiction, I was interested in the final

> > > outcome

> > > > > > which is chart, i should know that, and not in ur's

> technique

> > > but u

> > > > > have

> > > > > > made it a public issue instread of giving same to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why development of ancient knowledge has come to an end is

> > > because

> > > > > of

> > > > > > this fear which i dont know why some knowledgable people

> like u

> > > > > > insttalled within.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I wish to assure u that ur respect is no way corroborated

> and

> > > > > intact in

> > > > > > my views, i m also thankful to u for the remedies and

> mantras u

> > > > > provided

> > > > > > to me, even if that dont work, i will have same respect

> for u

> > > but u

> > > > > are

> > > > > > completely wrong at ur part in ur dealings. Pls. check ur

> > > dasha and

> > > > > > antardasha, something wrong somewhere.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am posting an extract of the interaction between myself

> > > and one

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > this list members who wanted a prediction from me. I have

> > > given

> > > > > him

> > > > > > > counselling based on his horoscope and also based on a

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > chart. Marital chart showed marital delays and problem

> with

> > > love

> > > > > > > matters which he has already experienced. The prashna

> chart

> > > showed

> > > > > > > the possibility of " Paisacha baadha " (trouble due to

> ghostly

> > > > > > > entities that block happiness in the family). I had taken

> > > this

> > > > > > > matter into account and not wanting to scare the member

> > > > > > > unnecessarily, I had not divulged the matter to him.

> > > Instead, I

> > > > > > > suggested beeja mantras to counteract that effect and

> also

> > > > > > > suggested " Sumangali Pooja " to be performed. He later

> came

> > > back to

> > > > > > > me and asked about the ghostly events himself because his

> > > family

> > > > > > > members have had visitations from that entity. I replied

> back

> > > > > > > saying that I have already taken that factor into account

> > > while

> > > > > > > giving my suggestions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The prashna chart showed that the entity is likely to

> leave

> > > the

> > > > > > > Earth Plane by this year end and so it cannot trouble

> him any

> > > > > > > longer. So, based on that and also based on his

> horoscope,

> > > and

> > > > > > > having faith in the remedies I had suggested, I had

> predicted

> > > > > > > possibility of marriage in Feb 2008 or in 2009. Actually,

> > > dasa-

> > > > > > > bhukti and transit influences are quite tough and

> > > contradictory

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > this event and I had taken so many factors and

> > > balanced/counter-

> > > > > > > balanced so many possibilities and had predicted the

> date as

> > > a

> > > > > > > Benediction; let the marriage happen in Feb 2008! I had

> even

> > > gone

> > > > > > > to the extent of suggesting attitude modification (he may

> > > not get

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > wife of his expectations) for the marriage to happen; or

> > > else it

> > > > > > > might even be denied.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, the member has been persisting about sharing the

> prashna

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > with him. I had given him broad hints about why I though

> > > Paisacha

> > > > > > > baadha was there for him; but he insists that I share the

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > chart and give the complete details to him, or else I am

> > > unfair!

> > > > > My

> > > > > > > reservation regarding this is that prashna is an advanced

> > > > > > > application and sharing its techniques offhand may be

> > > confusing

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > may lead the native into reading too much into each

> prashna

> > > chart

> > > > > > > and fear paisacha baadha when infact it might not be

> there

> > > at all!

> > > > > > > He does not understand me and is getting at me prompting

> me

> > > to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > mail after mail and I am at my patience's end! If I spend

> > > > > pointless

> > > > > > > time debating like this with one person how can I serve

> > > > > > > others.....Why does not this member understand this? Not

> > > sharing

> > > > > > > sensitive prashna charts is a hallowed tradition......Am

> I

> > > not

> > > > > > > justified in my action when I have acted in the best

> > > interests of

> > > > > > > the member?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am posting the latest exchange between us for your

> > > reference. I

> > > > > > > request those who are knowledgeable in authentic prashna

> > > > > traditions

> > > > > > > to write to the member (He is the person who is cutting

> and

> > > > > pasting

> > > > > > > the Garga Hora in this list) telling him that I am

> justified

> > > in my

> > > > > > > stand, and I am doing it in the best interests. He does

> not

> > > > > > > understand the danger of maintaining the prashna chart

> > > indicating

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > paisacha baadha which is inauspicious! I am pained by his

> > > words

> > > > > > > like " Your are hiding something; hiding things is not a

> sign

> > > of

> > > > > > > fairness " etc. It is almost like accusing me of being a

> > > cheat!

> > > > > Again

> > > > > > > he comment on my professionalism; I am acting as per my

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > ethics; why is he - a novice imputing motives to me and

> > > commenting

> > > > > > > on my professionalism? Is this what an astrologer gets

> for

> > > his

> > > > > > > service?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Below is the extract....

> > > > > > > ------------------------

> ----

> > > -----

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > Dear Shri. Lalith Mishra:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unnecessary openness in the name of frankness is the

> bane of

> > > our

> > > > > > > society now-a-days. Will you go out in the nude on the

> public

> > > > > roads

> > > > > > > just to prove you have nothing to hide? Asking advanced

> and

> > > unique

> > > > > > > predictive techniques of a practising professional

> > > persistently

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > after he has denied access to that knowledge is very

> rude .

> > > The

> > > > > > > access to that knowledge was denied because it can be

> > > > > misinterpreted

> > > > > > > and if you post that " technique " in the VA list, many

> other

> > > > > members

> > > > > > > will get anxious (just as some members are wondering

> what is

> > > wrong

> > > > > > > with their horoscopes with the Garga Hora posting of

> yours!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What do I have to gain by withholding information? I am

> too

> > > > > > > advanced in my profession to be taking advice from people

> > > > > regarding

> > > > > > > what is the professional way of handling my clients. I

> have

> > > no

> > > > > > > malefic intentions, and your accusing me of being unfair

> is

> > > rude

> > > > > (in

> > > > > > > fact each of your mails contains something or the other).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can assure you only one thing - I have acted in the

> best of

> > > > > > > intentions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am posting this in the VA list so that other learned

> > > members

> > > > > might

> > > > > > > put some wisdom into you (I have failed in this with my

> > > repeated

> > > > > > > replies to you).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Lalit Mishra, Noida " mlalit@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Res. Pandit Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On the one hand , I m thankful to you for all ur analysis

> > > and I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > follow ur instructions but on the other I must say don't

> > > seem fair

> > > > > > > enough in ur professional approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hiding things is not a sign of fairness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I knew astrology, perhapse I w'd not have asked u for

> such

> > > > > simple

> > > > > > > things or charts, required to keep in my records. My

> level

> > > is not

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > constraint for u to share important charts, if tomorrow I

> > > need to

> > > > > > > contact u for sth, how I w'd do without any reference.

> If I

> > > ask

> > > > > u, u

> > > > > > > should not hold things at ur's end and u don't gain any

> > > thing with

> > > > > > > ur approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra.

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ===================================================================

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

July 19, 2007

Dear Mohanraaam - Yogi,

Your are so angry, what causes anger, a hurt ego... nothing else.

Even u have addressed your mail to Mr. Abhishek, while replying to me.

Pls. cool down.

I have told u about " P - Priya and Preeti ... " .

The first half part of ur findings is true, how much true, I will tell u

- " I knew two girls, whose name begins with 'P', one is Preeti and other

is Priya " . right, I m not like u, i mean, a man who is caught up in

abundance of EGO, have confidence to accept the truth upto where it is

true.