Request for clarification ... Planetary relationships of Rahu and Ketu ...

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Respected Gurus and Elders,

 

Please forgive me for the elementary doubt.

 

My doubt is, what are the planetary relationships of

Rahu and Ketu with respect to other 7 planets? I note

that Rahu and Ketu are not gross planets and they are

only methematical points.

 

The reason for my doubt is with respect to primary

phalita dasa system - Vimsottari. In this dasa system

we do have Rahu Dasa, AntarDasa, etc. In such cases,

how do Rahu and Ketu relate to & from other 7 planets.

I mean, in case of Rahu AD in Sun Dasa do we treat

Rahu as AdhiMitra, Mitra, Sama, ... of Sun? On which

basis?

 

An extension to the above, what are the significations

of Rahu and Ketu?

 

I request all the gurus & elders to forgive my lack of

understanding and kindly clarify my doubt. I also

request the elders to kindly point me to relevant

sections of different classics and standard

literatures.

 

With Best Regards,

Gowri Shankar.

 

 

 

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Dear Shri. Gouri Shankar:

 

No, it is not like that. What I had written pertains only to the general

results of various bhuktis in Rahu dasa, though sometimes the natural

friendship/ enmity factors also overlap.

 

It is true that Sun, Moon, and Mars are enemies to Rahu/ Ketu. Venus,

Mercury, and Jupiter are indeed friends. Saturn is a friend to Rahu by natural

disposition, but still Saturn's bhukti will give negative results only to a

large extent. (It is like " Dursangam " always giving negative results in life

even if the evil person is friendly to us; Dharma shastra says " Association with

good persons - even in the form of enmity is good; Punishment given to you by

good souls will be in itself a blessing. Association with evil persons in any

form is bad. Their enmity will cause you never ending anxiety; their friendship

will also be a curse. So, have nothing to do with evil persons " . This logic

applies in the relationship between Saturn and the nodes). There are some

traditions by which we do not consider Friendship/ enmity to the nodes at all as

the nodes are supposed to act as representatives of the sign which they occupy.

What I had written to you earlier was only as a

general guide as to which bhuktis in Rahu will be benefic which will be

malefic......By that reckoning (According to the classic Kaalamritam which gives

general results of various dasa-bhuktis), Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus bhuktis of

Rahu dasa will be auspicious; Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, and Mars bhuktis are

indicative of some negative results.

 

If you want to know temporary relationship of planets with respect to your

chart, kindly use this principle....Planets in 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd, and

4th houses from another planet acquire temporary friendship. The other planets

acquire temporary enmity.

 

You have to combine the natural friendship/enmity significations with the

temporary relationship and balance the results out. For instance, a natural

friend also acquiring temporary friendship as per the horoscope becomes a strong

friend; an enemy acquiring temporary friendship becomes neutral; a neutral

acquiring temporary friendship becomes a friend; a friend acquiring temporary

enmity as per horoscope become neutral. A friend also acquiring temporary

friendship becomes intimate friend. An enemy also acquiring temporary enmity

becomes bitter enemy.

 

This is about planetary interrelationships. However, you cannot expect this

principle to hold forte while predicting dasa-bhukti results. For instance, we

consider planet in the 12th house from another planet becomes a temporary

friend; however, applying the principle of arghalas, you will note that the

planet in the 12th causes vipareetha argala to the good effects likely to arise

form the planet placed in 2nd house from another planet!

 

Again, the above rule on temporary relationships says that planets in 5th,

7th, and 9th houses from another planet become temporary enemies (I have left 6

and 8th houses because they are any how deemed to be inauspicious placements).

However, while delineating dasa-bhukti effects, planets placed in quadrants or

trines with respect to each other are deemed to be favourable in some ways!

 

There is an apparent contradiction in these principles; but in reality it is

not. These are subtle concepts which you can understand better by a Gurumukha

instruction. The concepts hold true and are very pertinent when applied in the

correct way. If possible, I will try to give illustrations of such applications

in this groups. Unfortunately, now-a-days I am hard pressed for time and am not

able to contribute much to the group. But, I will try to do my best.

 

The easiest way to judge interplanetary periods' effects will be this:

 

1) Planets disposed in mutual quadrants/ trines can give some good results

even if the general effects are deemed to be inauspicious.

2) Use the planetary friendship/ enmity as above as another determinant.

3) Use the classical works that describe the general effects to get further

insights and possible manifestations of results.

4) Assess the house-lordships/ chara kaarakatwas/ sthira karakathwas (use all

3) and see which houses of the horoscope are likely to be influenced by the

results more.

5) If special yogas due to the interplanetary influence/ aspect/ placement in

each others' constellations arise, then those yogas will manifest irrespective

of the other general considerations stated above.

 

Only a combination of all the above in consonance with transit influence can

give a fairly accurate picture of planetary influences operating at any point of

one's life.

 

Blessed be.

Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

 

 

Shankar Gouri <shankar_rg wrote:

|| Jai Guru Datta ||

 

Poojya Pundit DakshinaMoorthi garu -

paadaabhivaadamulu!

 

Many thanks for your immediate response inspite of

your very busy schedule. Guruji, your reply is very

educative.

 

The primary reason for my doubt was my effort to

calculate the compound planetary relationships

(natural + temporal) in my natal chart. At this point

I started wondering about planetary relationships

between Rahu & Ketu and other 7 planets.

 

Guruji, your reply clarified my doubt with regard to

Rahu's relationships. Based on your reply I summarise

Rahu's relationships with other planets as follows:

 

1. Jupiter, Mercury and Venus are friends of Rahu.

2. Sun, Moon and Mars are enemies of Rahu.

3. Saturn is a friend of Rahu if placed in konas from

Rahu. Else Saturn is an enemy of Rahu.

 

Guruji, as an extension of the above, is Ketu a friend

of Rahu? I also request you to kindly enlighten me

regarding Ketu's relationships also.

 

It is Lord Shiva's blessing to have gurus like you who

actively participate in this vedic group. Infants like

me can never thank you enough. Please reply at your

convenience.

 

With Best Regards,

Gowri Shankar.

--- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

wrote:

 

> Dear Shri. Shankar:

>

> Due to paucity of time, I am just giving you the

> gist of what to expect during different bhuktis of

> Rahu dasa (I presume that is the reason you have

> raised this query in the first instance).....

>

> Except Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus bhuktis, all

> other bhuktis in Rahu dasa are generally

> inauspicious. The inauspiciousness will be more

> markedly felt during Moon and Sun bhuktis which are

> natural enemies of the nodes.

>

> Saturn is a friend of Rahu, but still Saturn

> bhukti generally does not give good effects unless

> Saturn is placed in trines to Rahu in the natal

> horoscope. Even in this case, the negative effects

> will be reduced; and the good results if at all they

> are felt will carry a catch with them.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

>

> Shankar Gouri wrote:

> Respected Gurus and Elders,

>

> Please forgive me for the elementary doubt.

>

> My doubt is, what are the planetary relationships of

> Rahu and Ketu with respect to other 7 planets? I

> note

> that Rahu and Ketu are not gross planets and they

> are

> only methematical points.

>

> The reason for my doubt is with respect to primary

> phalita dasa system - Vimsottari. In this dasa

> system

> we do have Rahu Dasa, AntarDasa, etc. In such cases,

> how do Rahu and Ketu relate to & from other 7

> planets.

> I mean, in case of Rahu AD in Sun Dasa do we treat

> Rahu as AdhiMitra, Mitra, Sama, ... of Sun? On which

> basis?

>

> An extension to the above, what are the

> significations

> of Rahu and Ketu?

>

> I request all the gurus & elders to forgive my lack

> of

> understanding and kindly clarify my doubt. I also

> request the elders to kindly point me to relevant

> sections of different classics and standard

> literatures.

>

> With Best Regards,

> Gowri Shankar.

>

>

>

>

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Paadaabhivaadamulu Poojya Pundit DakshinaMoorthi garu!

 

Countless thanks for your detailed reply inspite of

your very busy schedule.

 

I shall practice sevaral charts based on the

guidelines provided below.

 

As I have mentioned earlier, infants like me can never

thank gurus like yourself enough. I remain ever

grateful to yourself.

 

With Best Regards,

Gowri Shankar.

 

 

--- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

<dakshinastrologer wrote:

 

> Dear Shri. Gouri Shankar:

>

> No, it is not like that. What I had written

> pertains only to the general results of various

> bhuktis in Rahu dasa, though sometimes the natural

> friendship/ enmity factors also overlap.

>

> It is true that Sun, Moon, and Mars are enemies to

> Rahu/ Ketu. Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter are indeed

> friends. Saturn is a friend to Rahu by natural

> disposition, but still Saturn's bhukti will give

> negative results only to a large extent. (It is

> like " Dursangam " always giving negative results in

> life even if the evil person is friendly to us;

> Dharma shastra says " Association with good persons -

> even in the form of enmity is good; Punishment given

> to you by good souls will be in itself a blessing.

> Association with evil persons in any form is bad.

> Their enmity will cause you never ending anxiety;

> their friendship will also be a curse. So, have

> nothing to do with evil persons " . This logic

> applies in the relationship between Saturn and the

> nodes). There are some traditions by which we do not

> consider Friendship/ enmity to the nodes at all as

> the nodes are supposed to act as representatives of

> the sign which they occupy. What I had written to

> you earlier was only as a

> general guide as to which bhuktis in Rahu will be

> benefic which will be malefic......By that reckoning

> (According to the classic Kaalamritam which gives

> general results of various dasa-bhuktis), Mercury,

> Jupiter, and Venus bhuktis of Rahu dasa will be

> auspicious; Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, and Mars bhuktis are

> indicative of some negative results.

>

> If you want to know temporary relationship of

> planets with respect to your chart, kindly use this

> principle....Planets in 10th, 11th, 12th, 2nd, 3rd,

> and 4th houses from another planet acquire temporary

> friendship. The other planets acquire temporary

> enmity.

>

> You have to combine the natural friendship/enmity

> significations with the temporary relationship and

> balance the results out. For instance, a natural

> friend also acquiring temporary friendship as per

> the horoscope becomes a strong friend; an enemy

> acquiring temporary friendship becomes neutral; a

> neutral acquiring temporary friendship becomes a

> friend; a friend acquiring temporary enmity as per

> horoscope become neutral. A friend also acquiring

> temporary friendship becomes intimate friend. An

> enemy also acquiring temporary enmity becomes bitter

> enemy.

>

> This is about planetary interrelationships.

> However, you cannot expect this principle to hold

> forte while predicting dasa-bhukti results. For

> instance, we consider planet in the 12th house from

> another planet becomes a temporary friend; however,

> applying the principle of arghalas, you will note

> that the planet in the 12th causes vipareetha argala

> to the good effects likely to arise form the planet

> placed in 2nd house from another planet!

>

> Again, the above rule on temporary relationships

> says that planets in 5th, 7th, and 9th houses from

> another planet become temporary enemies (I have left

> 6 and 8th houses because they are any how deemed to

> be inauspicious placements). However, while

> delineating dasa-bhukti effects, planets placed in

> quadrants or trines with respect to each other are

> deemed to be favourable in some ways!

>

> There is an apparent contradiction in these

> principles; but in reality it is not. These are

> subtle concepts which you can understand better by a

> Gurumukha instruction. The concepts hold true and

> are very pertinent when applied in the correct way.

> If possible, I will try to give illustrations of

> such applications in this groups. Unfortunately,

> now-a-days I am hard pressed for time and am not

> able to contribute much to the group. But, I will

> try to do my best.

>

> The easiest way to judge interplanetary periods'

> effects will be this:

>

> 1) Planets disposed in mutual quadrants/ trines

> can give some good results even if the general

> effects are deemed to be inauspicious.

> 2) Use the planetary friendship/ enmity as above

> as another determinant.

> 3) Use the classical works that describe the

> general effects to get further insights and possible

> manifestations of results.

> 4) Assess the house-lordships/ chara kaarakatwas/

> sthira karakathwas (use all 3) and see which houses

> of the horoscope are likely to be influenced by the

> results more.

> 5) If special yogas due to the interplanetary

> influence/ aspect/ placement in each others'

> constellations arise, then those yogas will manifest

> irrespective of the other general considerations

> stated above.

>

> Only a combination of all the above in consonance

> with transit influence can give a fairly accurate

> picture of planetary influences operating at any

> point of one's life.

>

> Blessed be.

> Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

>

>

> Shankar Gouri <shankar_rg wrote:

> || Jai Guru Datta ||

>

> Poojya Pundit DakshinaMoorthi garu -

> paadaabhivaadamulu!

>

> Many thanks for your immediate response inspite of

> your very busy schedule. Guruji, your reply is very

> educative.

>

> The primary reason for my doubt was my effort to

> calculate the compound planetary relationships

> (natural + temporal) in my natal chart. At this

> point

> I started wondering about planetary relationships

> between Rahu & Ketu and other 7 planets.

>

> Guruji, your reply clarified my doubt with regard to

> Rahu's relationships. Based on your reply I

> summarise

> Rahu's relationships with other planets as follows:

>

> 1. Jupiter, Mercury and Venus are friends of Rahu.

> 2. Sun, Moon and Mars are enemies of Rahu.

> 3. Saturn is a friend of Rahu if placed in konas

> from

> Rahu. Else Saturn is an enemy of Rahu.

>

> Guruji, as an extension of the above, is Ketu a

> friend

> of Rahu? I also request you to kindly enlighten me

> regarding Ketu's relationships also.

>

> It is Lord Shiva's blessing to have gurus like you

> who

> actively participate in this vedic group. Infants

> like

> me can never thank you enough. Please reply at your

> convenience.

>

> With Best Regards,

> Gowri Shankar.

> --- " Pandit. R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI "

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Shri. Shankar:

> >

> > Due to paucity of time, I am just giving you the

> > gist of what to expect during different bhuktis of

> > Rahu dasa (I presume that is the reason you have

> > raised this query in the first instance).....

> >

> > Except Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus bhuktis, all

> > other bhuktis in Rahu dasa are generally

> > inauspicious. The inauspiciousness will be more

> > markedly felt during Moon and Sun bhuktis which

> are

> > natural enemies of the nodes.

> >

> > Saturn is a friend of Rahu, but still Saturn

> > bhukti generally does not give good effects unless

> > Saturn is placed in trines to Rahu in the natal

> > horoscope. Even in this case, the negative effects

> > will be reduced; and the good results if at all

> they

> > are felt will carry a catch with them.

> >

> > Blessed be.

> > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> >

> >

> > Shankar Gouri wrote:

> > Respected Gurus and Elders,

> >

> > Please forgive me for the elementary doubt.

> >

> > My doubt is, what are the planetary relationships

> of

> > Rahu and Ketu with respect to other 7 planets? I

> > note

> > that Rahu and Ketu are not gross planets and they

> > are

> > only methematical points.

> >

> > The reason for my doubt is with respect to primary

> > phalita dasa system - Vimsottari. In this dasa

>

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