2-Elaine re. What makes up a hero?

March 28, 2007

Dear Friends/Subscribers: I thought you might enjoy some of this recent discussion about

what makes up a hero? Sincerely, Mark Kincaid 5a.

Re: Heroes

Posted by: " Elaine

Gardner " pspmomster elaineg_60

Tue

Mar 27, 2007 6:34 pm (PST)

I just

want to THANK everyone who replied to my question of what makes aHero in

todays society. It's been QUITE an eye opening experience for me as I

interviewed quite a few people while I was BACK in the damned

hospital

Dear

Elaine: Greetings! Sorry, I missed your good question

about what makes up a hero! If you don't mind me

contributing my 2cents I wanted to share a few more thoughts more about

this great subject! One of the things I've loved the most

about Jyotish is it's #1 ability to recongize the true Astrological nature

of life....and people.... For example, Jyotish says those

with strong 3rd Houses and/or Mars' have good courage. Those also

with good Jupiter's have strong spiritual sense and morality which of

course contributes to being a hero. If you study the

charts to of leaders of society you'll see that there are a number of

Benefic sources...that contribute to being successful, courageous and

being a or Hero or heroine! A Hero cares...and so some

strong Cancer and/or Sun nature might be involved. A Hero

fights for what is right....and that's a definite Mars flavor.... Mars has to be benefic however, because a strong, but 'malefic'

natured Mars can be a strong criminal, mobster, or bad politician. Fascinating to me that the planets can be both symbolic of strong

goodness and strong evil.... Morality then,..has to be

considered.... which makes a dominant Mars...more righteous....! For that of course, we look primarily to Jupiter.... Practical experience shows too that there are many kinds of planetary

combinations that all describe various kinds of human strength,

development and hero ness if there is such a word! hehe

Fun focusing on how Jyotish can identify the good in us!

In our many discussions about the essential Benefic and Malefic ness or

benefic or malefic planets...we sometimes get too wrapped up in malefic

problems. So, it's nice for a change to focus on the

good! This of course, is partly due to Jupiter's present

day 5th house aspect upon the Sun which is presently moving through the

Sign of Pisces! Last year when the Sun went through

Pisces, it was not being aspected by Jupiter and this added morality,

satvic and purity from Jupiter was not as strong as today! Finally, one last thought...is... that in addition to

recognizing what makes up a hero...I think it's even more important to

reflect on how we all can become more spiritual or courageous! For example, Jyotish has this connotation of remedies and remedial

measures. Remedies and prescriptions, even Vedic

techniques of self-development like meditation,... and yaguas.... all are

really there to help us become stronger, more pure and more benfic where

previously only malefic values were dominating! And, this

is one of the reasons why I like this Jyotish Remedies group so much is it

gives us a focus...to think about and research and study exactly how we're

meant to transform our malefics into strengths! So, in

this context when we think about what makes a hero, let's also reflect

upon what is needed to become more hero like! For

example, if we are timid or shy,...then we want to look at our Mars to see

if it can be strengthened! We may also need to be

strengthening our Moons if Moon is small or Waning....and too tender...or

weak..... If Mars is lacking in any way...then we can

become more courageous through a very act of choice! One

of the practices I recomend to people is to study the heroic adventures of

one's ancients..... In Indian culture there are all these

great heroic stories in the Bhagavad-gita, Mahabaratta and all the Vedic

literature.... In the West we have the great heroes of

ancient Greece....Homer, the Iliad, etc.... There are even heroes of

the bible that millions of people revere... Christ was the ultimate

hero....for christians... He stood up against all evil,...and

ignornance.... Likewise...Krishna....is the ultimate hero

for Hindus....... For all of us who are not quite saints

yet.... we only need to study our charts and figuring out what is lacking

in our Stars... Resolve.... to strengthend ourselves in

the exact ways our charts recomend... Wherever there is a

malefic story!...RESOLVE.... to change that.... to

transform....and improve your malefic....into a benefic strength! It can be done! This is the great hope of Vedic

Knowledge...that life can be improved... and made more heroic! Also, consider stirring one's Jupiter too,...because Jupiter gives

an increasing closenss with God...which gives us the greatest internal

strength! Fun talking with you....and all.... Jai Guru! Jai God....!

Sincerely, Mark Kincaid PS...

One last thing I'd like to reflect on is...the #1 Jyotish or Vedic remedy

is Vedic meditation.... Meditation is the best Jyotish and Vedic

remedy because it goes exactly to the real need of human life which is to

have more of one's innate, unusued, latent potential.

Both in Christianity and in Vedic knowledge there is the belief that

within every human being is a literal infinite human potential.... Some call it God.... some call it full human potential...however

we want to descirbe it... Heck, even modern day

Physicists have discovered something they call the Unified Field... Deep witin every atom, every molecule, every scrap of the

universe,... is a literal field of pure energy.... which has already been

discovered... to be limitless...unfounded and literally invincible... This state of pure energy....or unified field being the

source of every atom and bit of the creation...is that full potential that

each one of us is carrying around inside and don't know about! Those with strong and benefic planets have certain parts of us,

already in-tune with this deep power and potential....

Heron ness is just a mirror reflection of some of that great inner

nature..... Meditation is the time honored tradition that

seeks to find and develop that inner potential or oneness... Modern day experience today gives witness to the fact that for the

first time, millions and millions of people are beginning to get onto that

great glory! I, myself have been meditating for over 36

years...and I have to tell you, of all the things I've done to improve my

life and develop myself.... all that time invested in meditation has given

me the greatest benefits..... Then, when I discovered

Jyotish I learned how one could combine the power and wisdom of Vedic

Pshycology...(ie. Jyotish) to the other Vedic remedies like meditation,

ayurveda, yoga and yaguas..... Now, I enjoy

prescribing...wonderful Jyotish remedies,... in addition to meditation...

to improve, literally any weakened or undeveloped malefic planet into a

more strong and healthy one! Now, that's becoming a true

hero! Founder Nature's

Astrology www..com Personal email:

markkincaid

(AGAIN ) The GOOD part is it was just for a couple of days and it gave

me the opportunity to do some writing. My daughter, as I said, is

on overload, so I've basically written the paper for her. It's

OK...I've kind of developed a reputation for writing papers among

my family and friends. My fiance (deceased now), was in school

(Pre-Law-->Law) and made copies of his diplomas, whiting out his

name and putting mine in--said it was a " dual-degree for us

both since I'd done as much work as he did While I have

diplomas I earned on my own awhile ago, this one means more to me than ANY of the diplomas or certifications I have. It looks like my

children are going to take ME to school with them also. Only

fitting I suppose. When they were young, they came to MY classes

almost every day Again, thank you all for your words of

wisdom!!! Peace, Love and Light, elaine

March 29, 2007

Mark, these were some of my other responses..I MUST say that writing this paper for my daughter was as eye openeing as I expected it to be. And, I'm also VERY grateful for everyone's input, especially the Vedic Astrology point of view. Although my daughter didn't want me putting " Mars " in her paper ( ;-) ), as a beginning Jyotish student, the information was invaluable. I also thoroughly agree with you concerning meditation. I began TM in 1974 when there was a place across from my High School and next to a nursing home I volunteered at. Because of my genetic disorder, although I was 14, I looked like a 7 or 8 year old...BUT, the folks at the TM center took me under their wing and taught me the basics--well, before I got caught by my mother !! I " fell away " from meditation for a few years, but would go back and forth--practice for awhile, then something would change in my life, and I'd stop again. NOW, I've been practicing meditation on a daily basis for 6 years--EXCEPT for the first 3-4 months following my fiance's death--I couldn't concentrate on anything nevermond meditate. When I was diagnosed last year with cancer, it " prodded " me back inot my practice--and I Thank the Divine Mother for blessing me with the knowledge I DO have and for guiding me to this study of Jyotish. NOW, I've been working on this paper for almost 2 weeks, time for elaine to get back to my Graha's, Bhava's and Rashi's.

Namaste!!

elaine

" Mr. Das Goravani " <>

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I am mostly aware of Hindu and Irish Mythological Hero and HeroinIn these, and knowing what I know of Jyotish, you could say that a Hero(in)is made by the combination ofGoodness of causeStrength in actionFearlessness against oddsStands for some common causeThe last one is an odd one. If a person has the others, but is acting onsome matter nobody cares about, or worse, dislikes greatly, then they arenever a hero. Take for example someone who guards in a valorous and braveway a highly placed cocaine drug lord in Columbia. Nobody will ever muchcall them a hero, ever. (I¹m aware of the culture of glorifying these mendown there in song etc., it¹s still a good example)Jesus is classic. Liberating a people, saving a religion, saving all soulsforever from death, righting our deal with the supreme god, gave his ownlife, stood up to Rome.Planetarily, this is:The hero is most often a Mercury figure- young, close to the Sun or King orsome leader great, carrying a message or leading a battle, Mars comes inbecause there is usually great action and often it¹s militaristic in nature,or confrontational at least, and there is often Jupiter, the righteousnessof cause, sometimes law, religions and priests are involved from thisJupiterian angle.So a Hero is usually a combination of the Male Planets, Sun, Mars, Jupiterand packaged in Mercury.The other main set of planets, the feminine, outcaste type, less power type,are the friends Saturn, Mercury and Venus. In the court, these are thewoman, the boy, the old man worker. They are nothing compared to the King,Minister/Advisor, and General. The big boys verse the little people.Heroes of the Saturn side variety are more like Mother Theresa, StBernadette of Lourdes, Mary Magdalene, any hero who was known for beingsweet and soft, there are tons. Not all heroes are of the male type, butmany are the martyrs, the woman, the ones who stood against male dominance,the ones who were trod upong and outcasted but won anyway. Tom Hanks in³Philadelphia². A Hero in the end is one who shines, triumphs over, makes it through greatodds, thus attainment against odds, which in most basic essense meansSuccess for the Life Force over it¹s challengesThus a Hero inspires the fight for survival, is our icon of success andsurvivalThus the element of Mars, to power over, and we want to love ourselves, sowe like ³good² heroes hence the Jupiter element, or we side with underdogswho rise up so sometimes it¹s the Saturnian hero, the one who escapes barelyalive from the concentration camp only to go home to live a great life.³Heaven and Earth² by Oliver Stone.Peace and Happiness to allRickyRichard Edward Wurstaka Das Goravani

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Prashant Kumar G B

gbp_kumar

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dateMar 24, 2007 12:57 AM

subjectRe: Heroes

Elaine,we must see it out of the novelist, or celluloid images of a hero.In real life people who champion the cause of nature, care givers=who nurse people in any form be it physical or financial or emotional with no expectation of reward, name or part of any institution that does these works anyway.some tokenism is no use but full commitment to such things can be classified as one.the Jaipur Leg inventor in India a doc from Jaipur helped many land mines and accident victims, the world over, like wise the gates foundation is a good example after achieving a lot of wealth have put mack money to care giving projects without no tint of religion or self image/gain there is coordination of other organisations to it. say HIV /AIDS other celebrities too are doing it not full time.sports people from 3rd world despite poverty discrimination , odds have risen to show their fol some alternative to suffering. great writers, thinkers fromsuch places too have done their bitI am not sure if this is enough hope others add their bit.Best wishes

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David LaGrone

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valist

dateMar 24, 2007 11:51 AM

subjectRe:Heroes

Namaste, Elaine.

May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity!

I am currently reading Deepak Chopra's book, "The Book of Secrets". IMHO, this is a workbook for one's spiritual development with no "should"'s relating to what the outcome is – except to become a more "aware" person. On pages 152-155 of this book, he provides an overview of a model of 10 levels of consciousness which each of us operates within, albeit UNconsciously for the most part. One of these levels is what he calls "Myths and Archetypes". It is at this level of consciousness that each of us creates "our story" of who we are and how we got that way, drawing on myths and archetypes from a myriad of sources; e.g., historical figures (cultural "heros" and "heroines"), familial relations (mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, etc.), political (war heros, presidents, images of firemen, police, and others from events such as 9/11), religious (God, Jesus, Krishna, Radha, Allah, Osiris, Maya Angelou, Billy Graham, etc.). Yet, none of these are who WE really are; for I am my own hero. Each cell of my body looks to be as a "god" to provide for my body all the things that it needs to keep it going. And, of course, this list gets rather long, too.

One of my favorite writers and philosophers is Joseph Campbell who wrote extensively about the concept of heroes and heroines.

I appreciate you opening us to your daughter's project; and would be highly honored to receive a copy of her paper. For, afterall, it will be a whole different perspective on heros and heroines from what I have and a valued source of personal understanding. Thanks for bring this to my attention.

Namaste, David**********************************************Elaine M Gardner570-253-7812Aum Shantih:***********************************************