2-Suzzane, Dave & All: Re. New : Astrology For Beginners

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I agree. I get these emails and being new to this info I get more confused.Thank you DAN for bringing that up.SuzanneHi Suzanne: Your words inspired me today to create a new Astrology group for beginners. I think tis might help you in understanding Astrology better.For all those who'd like to study the Basics. Please go to this new group at:-ForBeginners/enjoyMark Kincaid> > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Dan Dubie> Friday, February 23, 2007 8:16 PM> > Re: 2-Jace...Re:the Transits....> > > > Mark, > > I sthere anyway to to just your newsletter or> > be able to get the transits once or twice a month without> > having to get all these redundant emails regarding your> > communication with all these rs.. Sometimes I get > > 20 emails a day...!> > > > Dan> > > > markkincaid wrote:> > > Mark:> > > > Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group!> > Jace> > > > Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails> and transit> reports in the Nature'! s Astrology archieves.> > Mark > > markkincaid wrote:> > yes <http://us.f538.mail./images/sec_remove_eng.png> > > Great Post Mark, > > Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress> experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct?> > Best> Jace> > > Hi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each> day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned> the mostin learning to watch and> understand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature.> > If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so> we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter.> > My new groups going to be at: > TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/> > My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change?> > Mark > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > http://finance. <http://finance.tradingharmonically/>> tradingharmonically/ > > > > markkincaid wrote:> > yes <http://us.f538.mail./images/sec_remove_eng.png> > > > > Best of West & East> > Dear Friends, Subscribers:> > We've had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought> today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between> Western & Eastern Astrology.> > So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern> charts, let us know!> > For me, I first started studying Western when I was in high school and> college. Back then one tended to just read one's daily Horoscope or those> cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of> most grocery stores!> > So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in> Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn't seem to fit me, but hey, I> didn't know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other.> > But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more> thorough then just one's Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I> sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized> print out all about my chart.> > I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so> fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the> next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology.> > Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the> time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I> couldn't have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of> Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology.> > While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell> you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went> through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was> alternating between,. "wow", to "mmmm", to "yes", and finally "WOW..that's> me!" > > Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological> resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to> one's chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us?> > But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us! ? They do after all> describe very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23> degrees apart. In fact, they've been drifting apart for over 1600 years.> > 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics> of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be> calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were> going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the> East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first> degree of Aries as the first day of the year. > > At that time there wasn't much difference between the outcomes of these two> very different systems. However, over the years the divide between West and> East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1 degree> apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23 degrees> apart. > > So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your> Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before> your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be> somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly.> > This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees> apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two> systems, in fact all! the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my> Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo.> Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo.> > So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury> and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are> in Virgo.> > No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The> descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even> self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or> incorrect though I couldn't put my finger on it at the time.> > Then, when I learned my Jyotish chart and read about the difference between> my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I do> relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I'd run> into my friends at school and the first thing I'd do is say as I reached up> and straightened up their clothes: "Hey, who dressed you!"> > They, of course, would say, "Hey, bug off,.who are you, .. my Mother!" he> he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo> Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn't seem quite> correct either.> > So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in> Leo. And, I kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong, dynamic,> enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not belligerent,> dictatorial.> > Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun,> Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow,> that's a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I> remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own.> > When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I> loved being in business for myself. Now, that's very symbolic of the Sun in> Leo. Sun in Vir! go then, doesn't seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo.> > But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn't quite see the real> difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was> supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer.> > Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example> of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that> Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people> and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself.> > Now, that's a clearer description of my Mars! in Cancer, and not in Leo.> Other planets that shift dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising Sign.> In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it's in Pisces in my> Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but upon> reflection it too is more accurate.> > Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical> nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word.> Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting> Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to> my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other.> > Finally, I'd like to say ! that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra> rising is another clear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I have> a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and> characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign> represents how we get along there's too much of a difference between Scorpio> & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio.> > Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I'd be much more intense.> > So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write> down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just> write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you r! ead> about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them fits you, best!> > Best of West vs. East> > So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern> systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart> is superior. Though it's fascinating to me how similar the two systems are> too. Now, see, that's the Libra in me! He he.> > For ! example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology that our> charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the> Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in> Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological> chart.> > There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The> Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve> one's stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you'll> read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the> West there's much more of an emphasis on self-determination!> > In the ! , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: "Any young> person is free to become President!" This belief of complete freedom and> growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been> on fate and pre-condition aspects.> > In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is> incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect.> So, if we take the best of the East and it's more accurate Mathematics and> combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth;> then I believe we'll come to a better understanding as to Astrology.> > See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. ! There's only> one nature's Astrology. We should then be able to find in nature a> verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a> guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature.> > End Part 1 Best of West & East> > I'm very interested in hearing other people's experiences as to their> Western & Eastern charts.> > Sincerely,> > Mark Kincaid> > > > > > > To JoinOurForum:> Subscribe: <http://finance.tradingharmonically/>> http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > <sunjup9/> yes> > > _____ > > > Bored stiff? <http://us.rd./evt=49935/*http:/games.>> Loosen up...> Download and play <http://us.rd./evt=49935/*http:/games.>> hundreds of games for free on Games. > > > > > To JoinOurForum:> Subscribe: <http://finance.tradingharmonically/>> http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > <sunjup9/> > > > _____ > > > Get your own> <http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http:/smallbusiness./domains/?p=> BESTDEAL> web address.> Have! a HUGE year through Small> <http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http:/smallbusiness./domains/?p=> BESTDEAL> Business. > > Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group!> > Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails> and transit> reports in the Nature's Astrology archieves.> > Mark > > > > markkincaid wrote:> > yes <http://us.f538.mail./images/sec_remove_eng.png> > > Great Post Mark, > > Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress> experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct?> > Best> Jace> > > Hi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each> day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned> the mostin learning to watch and> understand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature.> > If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so> we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter.> > My new groups going to be at: > TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/> > My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change?> > Mark > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > <http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > > > http://finance. <http://finance.tradingharmonically/>> tradingharmonically/ > > > > markkincaid wrote:> > yes <http://us.f538.mail./images/sec_remove_eng.png> > > > > Best of West & East> > Dear Friends, Subscr ibers:> > We've had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought> today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between> Western & Eastern Astrology.> > So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern> charts, let us know!> > For me, I fi! rst started studying Western when I was in high school and> college. Back then one tended to just read one's daily Horoscope or those> cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of> most grocery stores!> > So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in> Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn't seem to fit me, but hey, I> didn't know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other.> > But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more> thorough then just one's Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I> sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized> print out all about my chart.> > I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so> fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the> next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology.> > Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the> time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I> couldn't have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of> Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology.> > While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell> you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went> through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was> alternating between,. "wow", to "mmmm", to "yes", and finally "WOW..that's> me!" > > Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological> resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to> one's chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us?> > But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us? They do after all> describe ! very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23> degrees apart. In fact, they've been drifting apart for over 1600 years.> > 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics> of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be> calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were> going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the> East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first> degree of Aries as the first day of the year. > > At that time there wasn't much difference between the outcomes of these two> very different systems. However, over the ye! ars the divide between West> and East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1> degree apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23> degrees apart. > > So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your> Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before> your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be> somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly.> > This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees> apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two> systems, in fact all the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my!> Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo.> Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo.> > So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury> and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are> in Virgo.> > No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The> descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even> self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or> incorrect though I couldn't put my finger on it at the time.> > Then, when I learned my Jyotish cha! rt and read about the difference> between my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I> do relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I'd> run into my friends at school and the first thing I'd do is say as I reached> up and straightened up their clothes: "Hey, who dressed you!"> > They, of course, would say, "Hey, bug off,.who are you, .. my Mother!" he> he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo> Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn't seem quite> correct either.> > So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in> Leo. And, I ! kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong,> dynamic, enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not> belligerent, dictatorial.> > Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun,> Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow,> that's a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I> remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own.> > When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I> loved being in business for myself. Now, that's very symbolic of the Sun in> Leo. Sun in Virgo then, doesn't seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo. > > But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn't quite see the real> difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was> supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer.> > Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example> of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that> Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people> and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself.> > Now, that's a clearer description of my Mars in Cancer, and not in Leo.> Other planets that shif! t dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising> Sign. In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it's in Pisces> in my Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but> upon reflection it too is more accurate.> > Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical> nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word.> Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting> Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to> my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other.> > Finally, I'd like to say that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra> rising is another c! lear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I> have a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and> characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign> represents how we get along there's too much of a difference between Scorpio> & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio.> > Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I'd be much more intense.> > So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write> down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just> write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you read> about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them ! fits you, best!> > Best of West vs. East> > So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern> systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart> is superior. Though it's fascinating to me how similar the two systems are> too. Now, see, that's the Libra in me! He he.> > For example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology th! at our> charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the> Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in> Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological> chart.> > There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The> Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve> one's stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you'll> read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the> West there's much more of an emphasis on self-determination!> > In the , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: ! "Any young> person is free to become President!" This belief of complete freedom and> growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been> on fate and pre-condition aspects.> > In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is> incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect.> So, if we take the best of the East and it's more accurate Mathematics and> combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth;> then I believe we'll come to a better understanding as to Astrology.> > See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. There's only> one nature's Astrology. We should then be ! able to find in nature a> verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a> guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature.> > End Part 1 Best of West & East> > I'm very interested in hearing other people's experiences as to their> Western & Eastern charts.> > ! > > Sincerely,> > Mark Kincaid> > > > > > > To JoinOurForum:> Subscribe: http://finance.> <http://finance.tradingha%0d%0armonically/>> tradingharmonically/> > <sunjup9/> yes> > > _____ > > > Bored stiff? <http://us.rd./evt=49935/*http:/games.>> Loosen up...> Download and play hundreds> <http://us.rd./evt=49935/*http:/games.> of games for free> on Games. > > > > > > > To JoinOurForum:> Subscribe: <http://finance.tradingharmonically/>> http://finance.tradingharmonically/> > <sunjup9/> > > > _____ > > > Get your own> <http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http:/smallbusiness./domains/?p=> BESTDEAL> web address.> Have a HUGE year through! Small> <http://us.rd./evt=49678/*http:/smallbusiness./domains/?p=> BESTDEAL> Business. > > > > > > > > > Dan Dubie> > > > > _____ > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows> <http://us.rd./evt=49980/*http:/tv./collections/265%0d%0a>> you hate to love> (and love to hate): > <http://us.rd./evt=49980/*http:/tv./collections/265%0d%0a>> TV's Guilty Pleasures list.>