Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Mark, I sthere anyway to to just your newsletter or be able to get the transits once or twice a month without having to get all these redundant emails regarding your communication with all these rs.. Sometimes I get 20 emails a day...! Dan markkincaid wrote: Mark: Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group! Jace Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails and transitreports in the Nature's Astrology archieves.Mark markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Great Post Mark, Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct?BestJaceHi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned the mostin learning to watch andunderstand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature.If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter.My new groups going to be at: TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change?Mark http://finance.tradingharmonically/ markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Best of West & East Dear Friends, Subscribers: We’ve had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between Western & Eastern Astrology. So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern charts, let us know! For me, I first started studying Western when I was in high school and college. Back then one tended to just read one’s daily Horoscope or those cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of most grocery stores! So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn’t seem to fit me, but hey, I didn’t know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other. But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more thorough then just one’s Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized print out all about my chart. I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology. Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I couldn’t have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was alternating between,… “wow”, to “mmmm”, to “yes”, and finally “WOW….that’s me!” Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to one’s chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us? But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us? They do after all describe very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23 degrees apart. In fact, they’ve been drifting apart for over 1600 years. 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first degree of Aries as the first day of the year. At that time there wasn’t much difference between the outcomes of these two very different systems. However, over the years the divide between West and East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1 degree apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23 degrees apart. So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly. This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two systems, in fact all the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo. Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo. So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are in Virgo. No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or incorrect though I couldn’t put my finger on it at the time. Then, when I learned my Jyotish chart and read about the difference between my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I do relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I’d run into my friends at school and the first thing I’d do is say as I reached up and straightened up their clothes: “Hey, who dressed you!” They, of course, would say, “Hey, bug off,…who are you, .. my Mother!” he he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn’t seem quite correct either. So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in Leo. And, I kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong, dynamic, enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not belligerent, dictatorial. Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun, Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow, that’s a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own. When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I loved being in business for myself. Now, that’s very symbolic of the Sun in Leo. Sun in Virgo then, doesn’t seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo. But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn’t quite see the real difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer. Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself. Now, that’s a clearer description of my Mars in Cancer, and not in Leo. Other planets that shift dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising Sign. In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it’s in Pisces in my Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but upon reflection it too is more accurate. Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word. Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other. Finally, I’d like to say that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra rising is another clear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I have a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign represents how we get along there’s too much of a difference between Scorpio & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio. Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I’d be much more intense. So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you read about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them fits you, best! Best of West vs. East So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart is superior. Though it’s fascinating to me how similar the two systems are too. Now, see, that’s the Libra in me! He he. For example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology that our charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological chart. There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve one’s stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you’ll read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the West there’s much more of an emphasis on self-determination! In the , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: “Any young person is free to become President!” This belief of complete freedom and growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been on fate and pre-condition aspects. In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect. So, if we take the best of the East and it’s more accurate Mathematics and combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth; then I believe we’ll come to a better understanding as to Astrology. See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. There’s only one nature’s Astrology. We should then be able to find in nature a verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature. End Part 1 Best of West & East I’m very interested in hearing other people’s experiences as to their Western & Eastern charts. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid To JoinOurForum:Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. To JoinOurForum:Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Get your own web address.Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group! Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails and transitreports in the Nature's Astrology archieves.Mark markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Great Post Mark, Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct?BestJaceHi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned the mostin learning to watch andunderstand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature.If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter.My new groups going to be at: TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change?Mark http://finance.tradingharmonically/ markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Best of West & East Dear Friends, Subscribers: We’ve had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between Western & Eastern Astrology. So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern charts, let us know! For me, I first started studying Western when I was in high school and college. Back then one tended to just read one’s daily Horoscope or those cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of most grocery stores! So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn’t seem to fit me, but hey, I didn’t know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other. But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more thorough then just one’s Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized print out all about my chart. I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology. Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I couldn’t have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was alternating between,… “wow”, to “mmmm”, to “yes”, and finally “WOW….that’s me!” Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to one’s chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us? But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us? They do after all describe very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23 degrees apart. In fact, they’ve been drifting apart for over 1600 years. 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first degree of Aries as the first day of the year. At that time there wasn’t much difference between the outcomes of these two very different systems. However, over the years the divide between West and East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1 degree apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23 degrees apart. So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly. This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two systems, in fact all the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo. Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo. So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are in Virgo. No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or incorrect though I couldn’t put my finger on it at the time. Then, when I learned my Jyotish chart and read about the difference between my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I do relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I’d run into my friends at school and the first thing I’d do is say as I reached up and straightened up their clothes: “Hey, who dressed you!” They, of course, would say, “Hey, bug off,…who are you, .. my Mother!” he he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn’t seem quite correct either. So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in Leo. And, I kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong, dynamic, enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not belligerent, dictatorial. Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun, Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow, that’s a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own. When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I loved being in business for myself. Now, that’s very symbolic of the Sun in Leo. Sun in Virgo then, doesn’t seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo. But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn’t quite see the real difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer. Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself. Now, that’s a clearer description of my Mars in Cancer, and not in Leo. Other planets that shift dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising Sign. In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it’s in Pisces in my Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but upon reflection it too is more accurate. Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word. Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other. Finally, I’d like to say that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra rising is another clear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I have a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign represents how we get along there’s too much of a difference between Scorpio & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio. Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I’d be much more intense. So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you read about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them fits you, best! Best of West vs. East So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart is superior. Though it’s fascinating to me how similar the two systems are too. Now, see, that’s the Libra in me! He he. For example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology that our charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological chart. There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve one’s stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you’ll read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the West there’s much more of an emphasis on self-determination! In the , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: “Any young person is free to become President!” This belief of complete freedom and growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been on fate and pre-condition aspects. In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect. So, if we take the best of the East and it’s more accurate Mathematics and combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth; then I believe we’ll come to a better understanding as to Astrology. See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. There’s only one nature’s Astrology. We should then be able to find in nature a verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature. End Part 1 Best of West & East I’m very interested in hearing other people’s experiences as to their Western & Eastern charts. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid To JoinOurForum:Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. To JoinOurForum:Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Get your own web address.Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Dan Dubie We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I agree. I get these emails and being new to this info I get more confused. Thank you DAN for bringing that up. Suzanne On Behalf Of Dan Dubie Friday, February 23, 2007 8:16 PM Re: 2-Jace...Re:the Transits.... Mark, I sthere anyway to to just your newsletter or be able to get the transits once or twice a month without having to get all these redundant emails regarding your communication with all these rs.. Sometimes I get 20 emails a day...! Dan markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Mark: Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group! Jace Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails and transit reports in the Nature'! s Astrology archieves. Mark markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Great Post Mark, Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct? Best Jace Hi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned the mostin learning to watch and understand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature. If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter. My new groups going to be at: TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/ My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change? Mark http://finance.tradingharmonically/ markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Best of West & East oman">We’ve had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between Western & Eastern Astrology. So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern charts, let us know! For me, I first started studying Western when I was in high school and college. Back then one tended to just read one’s daily Horoscope or those cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of most grocery stores! So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn’t seem to fit me, but hey, I didn’t know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other. But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more thorough then just one’s Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized print out all about my chart. I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology. Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I couldn’t have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was alternating between,… “wow”, to “mmmm”, to “yes”, and finally “WOW….that’s me!” Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to one’s chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us? But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us! ? They do after all describe very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23 degrees apart. In fact, they’ve been drifting apart for over 1600 years. 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first degree of Aries as the first day of the year. At that time there wasn’t much difference between the outcomes of these two very different systems. However, over the years the divide between West and East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1 degree apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23 degrees apart. So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly. This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two systems, in fact all! the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo. Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo. So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are in Virgo. No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or incorrect though I couldn’t put my finger on it at the time. Then, when I learned my Jyotish chart and read about the difference between my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I do relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I’d run into my friends at school and the first thing I’d do is say as I reached up and straightened up their clothes: “Hey, who dressed you!” They, of course, would say, “Hey, bug off,…who are you, .. my Mother!” he he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn’t seem quite correct either. So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in Leo. And, I kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong, dynamic, enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not belligerent, dictatorial. Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun, Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow, that’s a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own. When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I loved being in business for myself. Now, that’s very symbolic of the Sun in Leo. Sun in Vir! go then, doesn’t seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo. But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn’t quite see the real difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer. Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself. Now, that’s a clearer description of my Mars! in Cancer, and not in Leo. Other planets that shift dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising Sign. In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it’s in Pisces in my Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but upon reflection it too is more accurate. Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word. Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other. Finally, I’d like to say ! that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra rising is another clear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I have a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign represents how we get along there’s too much of a difference between Scorpio & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio. Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I’d be much more intense. So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you r! ead about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them fits you, best! Best of West vs. East So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart is superior. Though it’s fascinating to me how similar the two systems are too. Now, see, that’s the Libra in me! He he. For ! example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology that our charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological chart. There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve one’s stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you’ll read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the West there’s much more of an emphasis on self-determination! In the ! , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: “Any young person is free to become President!” This belief of complete freedom and growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been on fate and pre-condition aspects. In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect. So, if we take the best of the East and it’s more accurate Mathematics and combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth; then I believe we’ll come to a better understanding as to Astrology. See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. ! There’s only one nature’s Astrology. We should then be able to find in nature a verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature. End Part 1 Best of West & East I’m very interested in hearing other people’s experiences as to their Western & Eastern charts. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid To JoinOurForum: Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. To JoinOurForum: Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Get your own web address. Have! a HUGE year through Small Business. Yes planetary sign change, I look forward to joining your transit group! Jace: Me too. Was also thinking you can catch up on a number of past emails and transit reports in the Nature's Astrology archieves. Mark markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Great Post Mark, Terrific read of the two ........Can you please detail more the Ingress experience since the Aspects remain the same in both,,Correct? Best Jace Hi Jace: I absolutely love the Transits. Having made a Jyotish chart each day for almost 19 years I can with a lot of certainty I think I've learned the mostin learning to watch and understand the natural Jyotish principles that are in nature. If there's enough interest from rs I'd love to spend more time, so we'll see if enough people join my new Transits newsletter. My new groups going to be at: TodaysDailyWeeklyMonthlyYearlyStarsTransits/ My the word ingress, do you mean planetary sign change? Mark http://finance.tradingharmonically/ markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com wrote: Best of West & East Dear Friends, Subscr ibers: We’ve had so many new people join over these last couple of months I thought today, it might be helpful to focus a little on the relationship between Western & Eastern Astrology. So, if you have any personal experiences of both of your Western & Eastern charts, let us know! For me, I fi! rst started studying Western when I was in high school and college. Back then one tended to just read one’s daily Horoscope or those cute little Sun Sign books that appear quite often in the check out lines of most grocery stores! So, I picked up one and felt something when I read about my Western Sun in Virgo description. Some of it, of course didn’t seem to fit me, but hey, I didn’t know enough about Astrology to know one way or the other. But, I did hear that there was a complete Astrological chart which is more thorough then just one’s Sun Sign. I knew that must be more important. So, I sent away for mine. But, in 1969 it cost me 20$ for a 20 page computerized print out all about my chart. I devoured it. The specificity, the details enthralled me. It was so fascinating to read about so many aspects about myself. On and off over the next ten years or so I continued reading about Western Astrology. Then, in 1988 while attending an Ayurvedic conference in New Delhi At the time I knew that Eastern was supposed to be different then Western but I couldn’t have told you why. I first got introduced to the Eastern version of Astrology called Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. While I was there I had a professional reading of my Jyotish. I have to tell you though; it was nothing I was prepared for. As the Indian Jyotishee went through the different aspects of my seat, I was on pins and needles. I was alternating between,… “wow”, to “mmmm”, to “yes”, and finally “WOW….that’s me!” Now, of course, I know this is the classic experience of good Astrological resonance. One is supposed to feel touched, or some synchronicity as to one’s chart. Why? Because, our charts are supposed to fit us? But, how can both our Western and Eastern charts fit us? They do after all describe ! very different charts. Right now, the two systems are about 23 degrees apart. In fact, they’ve been drifting apart for over 1600 years. 1600 years ago, the Mathematics of Western was very close to the Mathematics of Jyotish. Then, Western Astrology got the notion that the Stars should be calculated on the day of the Spring Equinox. At the time, the dark ages were going on in Europe and people were interested in reviving Astrology. In the East the Astrology chart is calculated with the Sun moving into the first degree of Aries as the first day of the year. At that time there wasn’t much difference between the outcomes of these two very different systems. However, over the ye! ars the divide between West and East deepened. With each 72 years passing, the two systems drifted 1 degree apart. Now, after over 1600 years, the two systems are that 23 degrees apart. So, if you want to know your Eastern chart, subtract 23 degrees from your Western chart. Each part of your Western chart is also 23 degrees before your Western one. Now, study both of these charts. They will tend to be somewhat different, though they also tend to overlap slightly. This is a coincidence because the two systems are still only 23 degrees apart. So, for example, my Sun moves from Virgo into Leo between the two systems, in fact all the Planets that are in Virgo move into Leo in my! Eastern chat, but the Moon in Libra, in my Western chart moves into Virgo. Also, my Saturn in my Eastern chart is in Virgo. So, I do have some Virgo planets in my chart. Western says my Sun, Mercury and Venus are all in Virgo while my Eastern chart says my Moon & Saturn are in Virgo. No wonder I related to some of the ideas of my Western chart. The descriptions of Virgo, being a perfectionist, and detailed oriented, even self-critical were all true. But, something felt slightly uneasy or incorrect though I couldn’t put my finger on it at the time. Then, when I learned my Jyotish cha! rt and read about the difference between my Eastern vs. my Western planets in Virgo it finally made sense. I do relate to some of those typical Virgo descriptions. When I was a kid I’d run into my friends at school and the first thing I’d do is say as I reached up and straightened up their clothes: “Hey, who dressed you!” They, of course, would say, “Hey, bug off,…who are you, .. my Mother!” he he. That should have been my first clue. I was being the Mother, the Virgo Mother. But, when I read about the Sun in Virgo that didn’t seem quite correct either. So, I moved onto the Leo in my chart. In my Western chart I had only Mars in Leo. And, I ! kind of liked the descriptions of Mars in Leo: Strong, dynamic, enterprising. I even had many of these qualities, but not belligerent, dictatorial. Eventually, I read about my Eastern chart. All my Virgo planets, Sun, Mercury and Venus were supposed to move into Leo in my Jyotish chart. Wow, that’s a lot of Leo. I wonder if I have any of these qualities. Then, I remembered, ever since I was young I had business of my own. When I was in high school I had my own little lawn mowing business. Wow, I loved being in business for myself. Now, that’s very symbolic of the Sun in Leo. Sun in Virgo then, doesn’t seem to fit me as well as the Sun in Leo. But both systems do seem to overlap so I couldn’t quite see the real difference until I read about my Mars. In my Western chart my Mars was supposed to be in Leo, while my Eastern chart has it moving into Cancer. Of all the configurations in my two charts this one is the clearest example of what is really correct in my life. In my whole life, yes, I did have that Leo side, but I was also slightly timid. I hated competing against people and looking back now, I had a hard time standing up for myself. Now, that’s a clearer description of my Mars in Cancer, and not in Leo. Other planets that shif! t dramatically are Jupiter, Moon, and my Rising Sign. In my Western system my Jupiter moves into Aries while it’s in Pisces in my Eastern chart. Not only do I like my better Eastern Jupiter/Pisces but upon reflection it too is more accurate. Ever since I was young I had a tremendous reflective and philosophical nature. I loved talking about philosophy even before I ever hear the word. Also, I had a tremendous faith even though I liked to call myself a doubting Thomas as well. Now, I understand these two different qualities are due to my Jupiter in Pisces on the one hand and my Moon in Virgo on the other. Finally, I’d like to say that the difference between a Scorpio and Libra rising is another c! lear example of my Jyotish chart, fitting better. I have a very obvious love of Libra harmony in my life. The qualities and characteristics of Scorpio are not strong in me. Since the Rising sign represents how we get along there’s too much of a difference between Scorpio & Libra for me to think I could be a Scorpio. Also, if I had a Scorpio rising and a Mars in Leo I’d be much more intense. So, study both of your Western and Eastern charts. Actually, first write down what you know about yourself. Without thinking of your Astrology, just write down what you already experience about yourself. Then, when you read about both your Western and Eastern; see which one of them ! fits you, best! Best of West vs. East So, when I reflect on what I consider the best of the Western vs. Eastern systems I have to say I believe the Eastern system of calculating the chart is superior. Though it’s fascinating to me how similar the two systems are too. Now, see, that’s the Libra in me! He he. For example, both systems believe in the basic idea of Astrology th! at our charts fit us! Both systems also believe in the same basic structure of the Astrological chart. Both systems believe in Planets in Signs and Planets in Houses. Both systems mostly disagree as to how to calculate the Astrological chart. There is one other difference which I think is extremely important. The Western system believes in free will and the ability to change and improve one’s stars. The Eastern system tends to not. In the Eastern system you’ll read a lot more about the pre-determined, fatalistic aspect of life. In the West there’s much more of an emphasis on self-determination! In the , for example, we have an old adage. It goes like this: ! “Any young person is free to become President!” This belief of complete freedom and growth potential is peculiar to the West. In the East the emphasis has been on fate and pre-condition aspects. In the West I believe the system of calculating the exact Mathematics is incorrect. In the Eastern system I believe the belief in fate is incorrect. So, if we take the best of the East and it’s more accurate Mathematics and combine it with the best of the West and its belief in progress and growth; then I believe we’ll come to a better understanding as to Astrology. See, in nature there really is no Eastern or Western systems. There’s only one nature’s Astrology. We should then be ! able to find in nature a verification of which principles are correct. Let your own experiences be a guide to help you discover your truest Astrological nature. End Part 1 Best of West & East I’m very interested in hearing other people’s experiences as to their Western & Eastern charts. ! Sincerely, Mark Kincaid To JoinOurForum: Subscribe: http://finance.tradingharmonically/ Bored stiff? Loosen up... 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