Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Hi All, One important thing I have not seen mentioned here re: the placement of Saturn in Leo or any planet in a natal or transit chart is that a planet's true strength is seen in its Navamsa. The expression used in Vedic astrology is " Grahanam Amsakam Balam, " which translates as " the real strength of a planet is to be assessed from its Navamsa. " Therefore, the Navamsa shows the key to the strength of a planet or its innate abilities. The Navamsa and D-9 chart also reveal the potential for evolutionary development of the planets and the chart as a whole. So, even though Saturn is not considered to be well placed in the sign of its enemy Leo, we should take into account the Navamsa position of this placement to fine tune its strength and capabilities. The most important varga/division after the Rasi, the Navamsa is the one-ninth division of a sign. Each sign is divided into nine divisions of 3°20´ each. The first 1/9 of a sign is governed by the Cardinal sign of that element, followed by the remaining signs in order through the zodiac. In this way, for example, the first 1/9 of Leo (Fixed Fire) will be Aries (Cardinal Fire), the second 1/9 is Taurus, the third is Gemini, and so on as follows: 0-3°20´ Aries Navamsa 3°20´-6°40´ Taurus Navamsa 6°40´-10° Gemini Navamsa 10°-13°20´ Cancer Navamsa 13°20´-16°40´ Leo Navamsa (Vargottama) 16°40´-20° Virgo Navamsa 20°-23°20´ Libra Navamsa 23°20´-26°40´ Scorpio Navamsa 26°40´-30° Sagittarius Navamsa Note for all Fixed signs-Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius-the middle 13°20´-16°40´ will always be Vargottama, literally, " in the best subdivision, " wherein the planet is supposed to function in a more positive way. Re: the transit of Saturn in Leo, we can see that the first 3°20´ of Saturn's transit in Leo may be a time fraught with difficulties and challenges, as Saturn will not only be traveling in an unfriendly constellation but will also be Gandanta (at the edge of Cancer and Leo) and in its debilitated Navamsa of Aries. Saturn might be less malefic in the Navamsas of its friends, in Gemini, Taurus, Virgo and Libra, and whether or not it is less malefic in its Vargottoma position, I am not sure. Complicating the transit of Saturn in Leo will be the conjunction of Saturn and Ketu (in 2007-2008), which is a combination that can set of long-term conflicts. In natal charts, Saturn in Leo in a friendly Navamsa is not as problematical as Saturn in Leo in an unfriendly Navamsa. Best, Juliana S. , " Rev. Alice Miller " <astrominister1 wrote: > > A major meaning of Saturn is that, by sign, it describes our limits-- as > in what limits us? Saturn in Leo is limited by roles, especially > inherited roles. So it might allow you to fit into your local society > very well, but make your soul feel terribly inhibited. > > Alice Miller > www.lifeprintastrology.com <www.lifeprintastrology.com> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 Another thing that should be kept in mind in assessing the strength of a planet in a natal (or navamsa) chart is the sign occupied by the dispositor. For example, if the Moon is in it’s fall in Scorpio and Mars is in it’s exaltation I Capricorn, and esp. if it’s in a fairly strong position (cusp of an angle or trine house), it at least partially redeems the Moon. I suppose that if the dispositor is in the sign of its rulership it would help to some extent, too. Bettina On Behalf Of jai.ma Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:18 AM To: Re: Saturn in Leo in transit and in birth chart Hi All, One important thing I have not seen mentioned here re: the placement of Saturn in Leo or any planet in a natal or transit chart is that a planet's true strength is seen in its Navamsa. The expression used in Vedic astrology is " Grahanam Amsakam Balam, " which translates as " the real strength of a planet is to be assessed from its Navamsa. " Therefore, the Navamsa shows the key to the strength of a planet or its innate abilities. The Navamsa and D-9 chart also reveal the potential for evolutionary development of the planets and the chart as a whole. So, even though Saturn is not considered to be well placed in the sign of its enemy Leo, we should take into account the Navamsa position of this placement to fine tune its strength and capabilities. The most important varga/division after the Rasi, the Navamsa is the one-ninth division of a sign. Each sign is divided into nine divisions of 3°20´ each. The first 1/9 of a sign is governed by the Cardinal sign of that element, followed by the remaining signs in order through the zodiac. In this way, for example, the first 1/9 of Leo (Fixed Fire) will be Aries (Cardinal Fire), the second 1/9 is Taurus, the third is Gemini, and so on as follows: 0-3°20´ Aries Navamsa 3°20´-6°40´ Taurus Navamsa 6°40´-10° Gemini Navamsa 10°-13°20´ Cancer Navamsa 13°20´-16°40´ Leo Navamsa (Vargottama) 16°40´-20° Virgo Navamsa 20°-23°20´ Libra Navamsa 23°20´-26°40´ Scorpio Navamsa 26°40´-30° Sagittarius Navamsa Note for all Fixed signs-Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius-the middle 13°20´-16°40´ will always be Vargottama, literally, " in the best subdivision, " wherein the planet is supposed to function in a more positive way. Re: the transit of Saturn in Leo, we can see that the first 3°20´ of Saturn's transit in Leo may be a time fraught with difficulties and challenges, as Saturn will not only be traveling in an unfriendly constellation but will also be Gandanta (at the edge of Cancer and Leo) and in its debilitated Navamsa of Aries. Saturn might be less malefic in the Navamsas of its friends, in Gemini, Taurus, Virgo and Libra, and whether or not it is less malefic in its Vargottoma position, I am not sure. Complicating the transit of Saturn in Leo will be the conjunction of Saturn and Ketu (in 2007-2008), which is a combination that can set of long-term conflicts. In natal charts, Saturn in Leo in a friendly Navamsa is not as problematical as Saturn in Leo in an unfriendly Navamsa. Best, Juliana S. , " Rev. Alice Miller " <astrominister1 wrote: > > A major meaning of Saturn is that, by sign, it describes our limits-- as > in what limits us? Saturn in Leo is limited by roles, especially > inherited roles. So it might allow you to fit into your local society > very well, but make your soul feel terribly inhibited. > > Alice Miller > www.lifeprintastrology.com <www.lifeprintastrology.com> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Good point, Bettina...and in fact, in Vedic astrology, for planets in neecha/debilitation (in Western astrology this translates as planets in their " fall " , like Moon in Scorpio and Saturn in Aries), a well- placed dispositor is one possible factor of cancellation, so it makes sense that this same rule should apply to planets in their Detriment (like Saturn in Cancer and Leo). Thanks... , " Bettina Woolard " <chiria wrote: > > Another thing that should be kept in mind in assessing the strength of a > planet in a natal (or navamsa) chart is the sign occupied by the dispositor. > For example, if the Moon is in it's fall in Scorpio and Mars is in it's > exaltation I Capricorn, and esp. if it's in a fairly strong position (cusp > of an angle or trine house), it at least partially redeems the Moon. I > suppose that if the dispositor is in the sign of its rulership it would help > to some extent, too. > > > > > > Bettina > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of jai.ma > Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:18 AM > > Re: Saturn in Leo in transit and in birth chart > > > > Hi All, > > One important thing I have not seen mentioned here re: the placement of > Saturn in Leo or any planet in a natal or transit chart is that a > planet's true strength is seen in its Navamsa. The expression used in > Vedic astrology is " Grahanam Amsakam Balam, " which translates as " the > real strength of a planet is to be assessed from its Navamsa. " > Therefore, the Navamsa shows the key to the strength of a planet or its > innate abilities. The Navamsa and D-9 chart also reveal the potential > for evolutionary development of the planets and the chart as a whole. > So, even though Saturn is not considered to be well placed in the sign > of its enemy Leo, we should take into account the Navamsa position of > this placement to fine tune its strength and capabilities. > > The most important varga/division after the Rasi, the Navamsa is the > one-ninth division of a sign. Each sign is divided into nine divisions > of 3°20´ each. The first 1/9 of a sign is governed by the Cardinal sign > of that element, followed by the remaining signs in order through the > zodiac. In this way, for example, the first 1/9 of Leo (Fixed Fire) > will be Aries (Cardinal Fire), the second 1/9 is Taurus, the third is > Gemini, and so on as follows: > 0-3°20´ Aries Navamsa > 3°20´-6°40´ Taurus Navamsa > 6°40´-10° Gemini Navamsa > 10°-13°20´ Cancer Navamsa > 13°20´-16°40´ Leo Navamsa (Vargottama) > 16°40´-20° Virgo Navamsa > 20°-23°20´ Libra Navamsa > 23°20´-26°40´ Scorpio Navamsa > 26°40´-30° Sagittarius Navamsa > > Note for all Fixed signs-Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius-the middle > 13°20´-16°40´ will always be Vargottama, literally, " in the best > subdivision, " wherein the planet is supposed to function in a more > positive way. > > Re: the transit of Saturn in Leo, we can see that the first 3°20´ of > Saturn's transit in Leo may be a time fraught with difficulties and > challenges, as Saturn will not only be traveling in an unfriendly > constellation but will also be Gandanta (at the edge of Cancer and Leo) > and in its debilitated Navamsa of Aries. Saturn might be less malefic > in the Navamsas of its friends, in Gemini, Taurus, Virgo and Libra, and > whether or not it is less malefic in its Vargottoma position, I am not > sure. Complicating the transit of Saturn in Leo will be the conjunction > of Saturn and Ketu (in 2007-2008), which is a combination that can set > of long-term conflicts. In natal charts, Saturn in Leo in a friendly > Navamsa is not as problematical as Saturn in Leo in an unfriendly > Navamsa. > > Best, > Juliana S. > > @ <%40> > , " Rev. Alice Miller " > <astrominister1@> wrote: > > > > A major meaning of Saturn is that, by sign, it describes our limits-- > as > > in what limits us? Saturn in Leo is limited by roles, especially > > inherited roles. So it might allow you to fit into your local society > > very well, but make your soul feel terribly inhibited. > > > > Alice Miller > > www.lifeprintastrology.com <www.lifeprintastrology.com> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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