2-Dave....re.....Give Saturn a BREAK ! from Mark Kincaid 12/4

[Guest guest]

I have been reading all the negative attribute that people

give Saturn and they

are very ignorant of the Jyotish laws...!Hi Dave: Well, you have to admit, Saturn is

generally being malefic for most people so I'mI'm not

surprised that people have this connotation! hehe

They are giving too much emphasis on assigning negative aspects to

Shani alone..

People are saying Shani causes this misfortune, or this bad luck , or

this lalala...Well, not only are people

looking at Saturn incorrectly they also don't realize " He " has

nothing to do with our karmas.We, in fact, are the creators of

our fate and consequences, and Saturn is only the Messenger!

..

Many peoples' problems come from Rahu and Ketu, or a poorly placed

Mangal

( Mars ). All three planets and nodes can have negative influences in

the chart

and can cause great disturbance in ones life..!!.Sure, learning how to distinguish between the various

Planetary consequences is a goodthing to do.That way we can

know which planet is the one that needs to be strengthened!

For instance, I can experience lonliness, sexual frustration, sadness

and despair,

financial difficulties, inability to find a mate.. etc.. etc..

etc...

Many people would say " Oh you must have a debilitated Saturn to

be experiencing

all this " ...

LOL... That is not the case at all...!Next time, include your Date of Birth info. so we can see

your chart, more clearly.

In fact, my Shani is considered RajaYogakaraka in Vedic Astrology,

meaning it is

the utmost benefic!

I have Tula (Libra) rising and Shani at 19 degrees, So it is Lord of

my 1st house and very favorably placed.Eh, I'm sorry, did you mean you have a LIbra Rising?

And Saturn's Exalted there in Libra, too?Saturn,

however, is not your first house lord which it sounds like you're

saying?

On the other hand, the lord of my 7th ( Mars) is in my 12th, with my

Sun ( lonliness and partner problems ) Loneliness also has a lot to do with the Moon's, being

it's how we feel. Though Sun in the 12th can give a kind of

shyness too but more of the Self rather then the Moon emotions.and Rahu and Ketu are in my 2nd and 8th ( financial and sexual

issues.)

So it isn't Saturn at all that is the problem.. It is all the other

malefics!!!!Very good points.

 

 

So please give Saturn a break guys.. He is a great friend to me...Well, you're lucky,...or I should say:

" that's because for you you've created him that way.But, don't

forget, for the rest of us, Saturn is one of most people's strongest

malefics!

Assign your problems where they belong and quit dumping them all on

Saturn's influence...

 

and MARK... - straighten them out..!

 

 

Danheheehe,.... I've

learned so much about all the Planets over the years as I've found my

various friends and students each having various 'Good' planets.So, thanks for your Good Saturn story!heheMark

Kincaid

markkincaid (AT) (DOT) com

wrote:

 

 

 

Mark:Interesting thought, about

happiness being due to the moon. I think you're right. Although i follow

Greek rather than Hindu astrology, the astrology i do is very influenced

by the Vedic stuff i've read, in particular the importance of the lunar

nodes and lunar stuff generally. Hi Bob:

Well, one of the greatest things I've learned in the 'field of Astrology'

itself, is thereis no real Western, Eastern Jewish, Chinese, or

Greek. As you say " influenced by te Vedicstuff " , but

what I've experienced is there is a " REAL " Astrology which is

out there, in Naturewhich is already happening and existing in our

bodies, our speech, and in our genes!the moon is our

moods, and certainly happiness is a mood. Well, in most Astrology's I've read the Moon represents

the " container of the Mind " , which like our Physical Moon,

receives the light and energy of the Sun, and with that creates ourtides, and even weather patterns.In our lives, our Mind's

are really nothing but an empty container though which the lightand

energy of the Sun, soul, floods into our experience. " Happiness " , then is when the Mind wakes up to it's full

relationship with spirit.Happiness is not really a mood of

mind, because the mind is always changeing, like thePhysical Moon. Therefore true and lasting Happinesss can not be in the Moon alone, butin the Self, Sun which is the true source of all happiness.Those who plummet into the full potential of the Sun, spirit Self, find

pure bliss and trueHappiness!I'm

experiencing something like that now in my own life, I'm in recovery from

my Saturn return which wiped me out financially this year (not bankrupt

since I have no debts, but broke).Then,

we reflect on the meanins of each of the Planets. Poor Saturn, he has

such a bad,terrible reputation. I think of Saturn as the

opposite of Jupiter. And, if Jupiter is the right hand that refects the

Guru reaching down and picking us up; Saturn is the left-hand of God

that slaps us downONLY if we've been out of balance.My

own experience confirms that Saturn represents balance and pure silence

and stillnessand if we have enough of that, then we feel happy and

joyful.But, because most of us are not in tune enough with

Saturn, then it's returns, it's Dasa timeperiods and Transits are

of the negative or what Jyotish calls Malefic variety.Because

once 'we' learn to be more in-tune with Saturn, then it's movements, it's

effects,even it's long, lenghty returns like Sade Sat when Saturn

returns to where the Moon was in our birth chart's; even these become

opportunities for deeper inward experience anddevelopment.This is why theoretically we loose things, money, jobs, houses,

relationships, so un fetteredwith all that, we can get back to a

simpler, purer existence which Satiurn rules.Saturn rules pure

silent bliss, eternal and immortal and it's function is to help us find

that! And I know (am channeling) it's a lesson in

learning to be joyous no matter what is happening outside you. e..g my

customary mood of oppression (natal sun conjunct Saturn - Pluto opposed

moon: the sense that you are walking through life with 50-lb. weights

fastened to each foot, that nothing you do is rewarded, that all

expectations are dashed etc.) is being replaced at this time by a

lightness I've never felt before ... like " Whoopee, who gives a damn,

I'm just going to feel good! " This

is a beautiful experience of the liberating, even expansive effect of

Saturn, which oncewe let go and surrencer, accept, then bliss

comes!Congrats.... Be nice if this mood is

permanent. but I agree it's the moon which informs our customary

moods.

 

xoxo,

Bobfun talking with you.Mark Kincaidps... Did you ever send in your date of

birth info, so I can look at your chart. Would be happyto reflect

with you on some of your Jyotish symbolisms if you'd like...ciaomarkkincaid (AT) (DOT) com

wrote:

 

 

 

It's because happiness is matter of losing one's expectations, not

fulfilling expectations. That's why the dirt-poor Mayan Indians of

Guatemala are happier than wealthy Americans.

 

Mark: to test a theory (about the value of planetary hours) I need to

know the dates, times and places when winning lottery tickets were

purchased (not the data of the purchaser). Do you know where I can find

same?

 

-BobDear Bob: I think Astrology

also has something profound to tell us about 'Happiness'.According to Astrology, Happiness is due to the Moon. In other words

happiness is a stateof mind, not a state of money.Money

karma is another area of our Astrology and there are plenty of examples of

thosewho have lots of money and they don't have much real, true,

inner happiness!Sorry, don't know any data of the winning

lottery tickets.Mark K.

 

 

 

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