2-Juliana re. Saturn in Leo....10/8 Mark Kincaid

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Re: Saturn in

Leo

Hi Janna, Mark and all, As

Mark has written, Saturn is not considered well placed in Leo. Leo

is called the place of Saturn's detriment in Western astrology

because Leo is opposite Saturn's sign of Aquarius. Hi Juliana:Nice to read your post

here. However, in Vedic astrology,

Saturn in Leo is said to gain some strength because it aspects its

own sign of Aquarius. Nonetheless, in Vedic astrology, Saturn shares

great enmity with the Sun, the lord of Leo, so Leo is not Saturn's

best constellation to transit, generally speaking. One of the

potential collective or individual problems of this transit could be

widespread malaise and depression. Yes,

I think you're correct, and though there will be some exceptions, especially of people who have so-called better Saturn's in their

charts,this or any transit of Saturn does not have to be

negative.Though because Saturn has a long way to go for most

people, thesetwo transits of Sani through both the lunimaries, Sun

and Moon's signs, tends to be malefic in nature.This is

why Saturn is called the great lesson giver.He returns our

karmas of imbalance to us, and especially during thoseSaturm moments

which can include.1) Monthly Saturn times when the Moon

or any planets are eitherin conjunction with Saturn or aspected by

Sani.2) For example, this month and year, Saturn's in

Cancer, and becauseof Jyotish's rule that Saturn influences 3 houses

away, also simultaneouslyaspects Virgo.That's why I've

wanted to discuss this important transits where the Sun,and so many

other planets are going simultaneously through Virgo.This

year, for 2 years now, Saturn's presence in Cancer, meant Virgo wouldbe one of those Saturn moments.3) Also, Sade Sat is

one of those Saturn moments that's important to watch.Whenever, Saturn goes through the Sign where you Moon was at birth, or

oneither side, then Saturn will be bringing back especially

important Saturnexperiences.Let's

not forget however, that Sani has the most blessed purpose in life..To teach us where we need more silence...When Saturn

first crept into my 10th House of Cancer, slightly over 2 years ago,now, I experienced it like this big smouldering boulder, inching it's

way across the mantle of my 10th house.My first reaction

was: " Hehehee, look there, that's the Saturn boulder moving

into my 10th house... " Later, when I realized this

was a time for me to get more in-tune with more deep,Cosmic silence

especially in my 10th House and my Moon/Cancer, mind...that

same boulder began to become a literal, living, breathing 'Vorttex' into

the absoluteof pure silence.Now, it's still there,

having made it's inching movements ever so slowly across the bowof

my 10th House, ship....But it's becuase a vessel of widening,

deep, immortal silence and bliss...and has stopped being

negative....Unless of course I forget 'him' and start to

rush...but then he quickly reminds me...Now, he goes

into Leo, where the same lesson is coming through the Home of the Sun,or Leo's...and in my rising sign my 11th house of gain.the

lessons of patience, humility and deep surrencder are now beginning to

manifestin my sphere of how I fulfill my desires (11th House), so

I'm ready...I'm ready to let go...and let God organize....The heart (SUN-LEO) can feel constricted

(SATURN) physically and spiritually, indicating a great opportunity

to develop the heart chakra in this period. This transit can reflect

the pitfalls of egoic drive and power, so the lessons it may bring

revolve around the need for real humility and loving kindness.Beautiful, ....also Saturn in Leo because it

represents the home of the Sun,...like Cancer was the home of the

Moon-mind, now....represents the opportunity to grow in terms of

Saturn stillness....in terms of our egos, and very

Selves.....(Leo.....) Saturn transiting in Leo if

strong and unafflicted can give easy gains because it is aspecting

its own sign of Aquarius. Whether it will bring more loss or more

gain depends in large part on what houses it is transiting and where

the other planets are transiting at the same time However, it also represents how in-tune we are with

Saturn, in general.If we're already in-tune, then Saturn's

transits, just show us where to beand bring more silence...Saturn's path is thorugh silence....If we're found

struggling, then this is Saturn saying.... slow down andrest....Generally, malefics like Saturn give their best

results in the Upachaya houses from the Lagna or the Moon, houses 3,

6, 10 and 11. Malefics can cause the most problems, if strong and

afflicted, in the angles of the chart.I

don't like to use the word 'Malefic' to describe any planet really.We need to distinguish between a Planet's natural goodness and

it'sfunctioning as a malefic influence.Even the

so-called Benefic planets can be found acting negatively ormalefically.Parashara, the founder of Eastern Astrology or

Jyotish says in hispremier book " Hora Astrology " " In the beginning Lord Vishnu entered into

the Grahas, (Planets)to bestow upon his devotees the natural

consequenes of their actions! " When

I read this I realized none of the Planets are naturally negative, bador malefic.They're all the nature of God, delivering the

natural consequences of our actions..to us. A very important point that we should always

consider is that the natal predisposition of a planet must be

throroughly analyzed before trying to understand its transits. If

you have a good natal Saturn, meaning that it is a benefic for the

chart and is unafflicted, then all of its transits will be easier to

take than if it is an afflicted malefic for the chart.I totally agree with this! The

other thing to understand about Saturn transits relates to Dasas. If

one is running a Dasa of Saturn, then its transits will be more

significant and intense.Yes, dasas too

need to be looked at.In fact I always say: " Examine

your 3 Pillars of Astrology, Transits,Dasas, and Chart

itself. " Those that are in Saturn transits, dasasa and

have Saturn issues have themost Saturn karma to deal with.However,.... surrender to Saturn...and any

dreaded, difficult Saturn periodcan become the best!It

happened to me, it can happen to anyone..One needs only to

open one's heart and in humility...ask Saturn for hisWisdom...He will tell us! Best, JulianaSincerely,Mark KincaidfounderNature's Astrologywww..com

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Thanks, Mark, for reminding us of the ultimate nondualism of our

most Divine nature as it is reflected even through the highest

vibrations of the graha.

 

I agree that the term " malefic " planet is somewhat misleading and

perhaps the actual meaning of the word from Parasara and other sages

for so-called " malefic " planets was " papa, " , literally " what brings

one down. " Though it is often translated as sin or evil, I think of

papa planets as those that will cut the ego down to size. You said

it so much more sweetly and elegantly, in reference to Sani, who

brings us " lessons of patience, humility and deep surrencder...the

natural consequences of our actions...[returning] our karmas of

imbalance. "

 

I wanted to share the following, which appears so much in alignment

with the wisdom you are sharing with us here, Mark. This is a

teaching from one of the teachers in my spiritual lineage, Sri

Yukteswar of Giri, who was a great yogi and Jyotishi, whom

Paramahansa Yogananda quoted in his _Autobiography of a Yogi_:

 

" Astrology is the study of man's response to planetary stimuli. The

stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send

forth positive and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not

help or harm humanity, but offer a lawful channel for the outward

operation of cause-effect equilibriums which each man has set into

motion in the past.

 

A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays

are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma. His horoscope

is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and its

probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly

interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom: these are few.

 

The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of

birth is not meant to emphasize fate-the result of past good and

evil-but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal

thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself

was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now

prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he

created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has

spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure.

 

Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automaton, slavishly

dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets-

which is to say, his past-by transferring his allegiance from the

creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit,

the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever-free; it is

deathless because birthless. It cannot be regimented by star. "

 

Namaste all,

Juliana

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very well said, Juliana!...CheersNamah Shivay

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