2-Edward re. your experiences of Good Astrology 8/18

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Dear Edward:Catching up on old emails today. Thought I'd

responded to this one.I think Sun & Saturn were colliding at the

time, hehe.(See below)AyurvedJyotishYoga , markkincaid

wrote:>Mark,Consciousness just seems to want to

unfold naturally. Even when oneis born, our stars will unfold

enabling our (karma) to flow on theexpereincial level in life, so,

what needs to unfold in this life,will come to the

" surface " from the unconscious state of mndreleasing

dynamic flow towards action in one way and or another.(I think you're right.

However I'm reminded by something Maharishi's always said and that

is, without things like meditation, progress through life will take

many, many life-times. For me, I recall all the

way back to being in the womb. Now for mebeing aware of this is all

about Mercury (communication) within myjyotish/chart, first house in

Scorpio, at birth. Jupiter as a majorDasa came in 1992 and will end

in 2008.(Learning to put as Astrological

'shape' to our life experiences, I believeis crucial for really

acentuating our evolution.) Mark, what I wanted

to speak of is that we will automatically unfoldboth the good and

the malefic in the life course, but I beleive weshould take on the

malefic as a good sigm rather than a negativeone. (Yes, this is my opinion as well. Unfortunately,

because of the natureof our Malefics, which really just represent

our ignorance, where we'reblind-sided, seeing things incorrectly...

we'll continue doing certainthings in the wrong way....unless

we can get a better handle on those " mistaken notions " .And yes, this is one of the aspects of the 'blessings in disguise'

qualityof Malefics, is that they do really have some great lesson

for us!They're not just punishment, or a curse, or fate, they

are in fact, the automaticresponse from our previous actions...though because they're off a unhappy quality, this is Nature's way of

showingus the affect of our actions...This way, karma

teaches us where we've been mistaken and of course, ourBenefics

teach us about our strengths! our goodnesses!) Being that goodness will be easy to recognise, but maleficwill

tend to increase discomfort. So, I like to think that thisdiscomfort

I speak of, is one that can act for us, if we have a earto listening

to this value, guidance from self referal.(And you're right here too. Because our very nature

is bliss, and thepath of life is increasing Bliss and Happiness,

anything that doesn'tdirectly lead to more and more deep,

consciousness bliss, will ofcourse not be useful.And

this fits very nicely the complete Philosophy of Malefics and Benefics,is all we have to do is perceive whether our experiences are pleasant or

not.Now, from this different perspective we can realize

" Oh, staying up late maybe what I thought I was supposd to do,

but now I see, I'm actually creatingill-health!)

For instance (Saturn) being the task master, time will

give us tohelp settle down this energy He brings us; Slowing down,

when itfeels heavy, (conflict) that perhaps, we don't want to take

as areminder to slow down, and smell the (roses)rest. (I like to say it slightly

differently. That our actions coming back to us,in

different ways, ie. through all the different planets, every moment isNature showing us the consequences of our actions.Saturn has

that thankless task of reflecting back to us, many of our mostdifficult lessons.So, we think sometimes Saturn is doing

something. But I don't think, now,that the Planets or Nature

does anything but give us back our consequences.God may know

that this is the perfect way for us to see ourselves and developour

own motivation to changeing what needs to be changed.Maharishi

says: " When you realize you are the source of your karma, then

yourealize that no one stands in your way, except your

self... " I think this is true.) Then, allowingself to pick up after a brief momnet to relax, rest,

gain insight,too, then to continue after rest! Like today, I feel

lite, (Venus inGemini) happy in multitasking, in the 8th house of

transformation(Scorpio) ME; pack with lots of doing (Marish)in Leo

in the 10thhouse. So, we unfold, one way or another, but recognise

what ispresent in jyotish will gives us a preview, as we wake in the

morn.(And yes, there is a better way of

interpreting the life experiences thatwe're continually going

through. Astrology has taught me this better way, and it's the

way, not of a newPhilosophy or someone's opinion; even ancient

authors of Astrology;in stead Astrology represents the opinions of

God or Nature, herself,telling us these will be the consequences of

certain actions, and thesemalefic one's will be the consequences of

others of our actions.) So, for me, I think

and believe that you have helped me to clarifyissues from a feeling,

as to what is moving as to malefics.(Beautiful. This is my deep hope, that people

will come to perceivewhat Nature had been trying to bring to us but

we ddn't quite understand.) Listening to what may be

the message that is being given, and toallow oneself to work on to

gain a brighter perspcetive as a processto unfoldment toward

enlightment and self awarenss. (Yes.) The stars asnature speaks want us to know who

we are in relation to thisinfolding pattern. It's great to see, when

I take the time to restwhen I know, (Beautiful,...yes...) Saturn is

telling me or blocking me in some way. (Yes, Saturn does tend to say, 'not this way' or 'not this

time'.Though of course if our Saturn is acting Benefically, it'll

also say through the spontaneous, effortless fulfillment of our

desires...yes,...do it this way!)Rest,let the tide go by, and gain the rest and insight, so the rest ofthe day becomes an empowerment for us. (Well said.) Mark, this is what I

havegain in appreciating the level of listening to both good and

bad, aspart of a great play that will help to reveal who we truely

be...AmenIn all good,Edward(Nice talking with you...Mark)-- In AyurvedJyotishYoga ,

markkincaid@

.... wrote: >Mark, Consciousness just

seems to want to unfold naturally. Even when one is born, our

stars will unfold enabling our (karma) to flow on the expereincial

level in life, so, what needs to unfold in this life, will come to

the " surface " from the unconscious state of mnd releasing

dynamic flow towards action in one way and or another. For me, I

recall all the way back to being in the womb. Now for me being

aware of this is all about Mercury (communication) within my

jyotish/chart, first house in Scorpio, at birth. Jupiter as a major

Dasa came in 1992 and will end in 2008. Mark, what I wanted

to speak of is that we will automatically unfold both the good and

the malefic in the life course, but I beleive we should take on the

malefic as a good sigm rather than a negative one. Being that

goodness will be easy to recognise, but malefic will tend to

increase discomfort. So, I like to think that this discomfort I

speak of, is one that can act for us, if we have a ear to listening

to this value, guidance from self referal. For instance

(Saturn) being the task master, time will give us to help settle

down this energy He brings us; Slowing down, when it feels heavy,

(conflict) that perhaps, we don't want to take as a reminder to

slow down, and smell the (roses)rest. Then, allowing self to pick

up after a brief momnet to relax, rest, gain insight, too, then

tocomtinue after rest! Like today, I feel lite, (Venus in Gemini)

happy in multitasking, in the 8th house of transformation (Scorpio)

ME; pack with lots of doing (Marish)in Leo in the 10th house. So,

we unfold, one way or another, but recognise what is present in

jyotish will gives us a preview, as we wake in the morn. So,

for me, I think and believe that you have helped me to clarify

issues form a feeling, as to what is moving as to malefics.

Listening to what may be the message that is being given, and to

allow oneself to work on to gain a brighter perspcetive as a process to unfoldment toward enlightment and self awarenss. The stars as nature speaks want us to know who we are in relation to this

infoling pattern. It's great to see, when I take the time to rest

when I know, Saturn is telling me or blocking me in some way. Rest,

let the tide go by, and gain the rest and insight, so the rest of

the day becomes an empowerment for us. Mark, this is what I have

gain in appreciating the level of listening to both good and bad, as part of a great play that will help to reveal who we truely

be...Amen In all good, Edward

[Guest guest]

, markkincaid wrote:

>Hi Mark,

 

I see that your going to be offering Joetish in the fall. I would

like to be considered for this entrepenuerial/(entre-Pinot Nior-ial)

venture, he, he, Sun in Leo with some funnies going on today, too!

 

Anywho, I really appreciate your approach to self referencing with

the use of Joe-tish. I have a natural [knak] to experiencing

joetish on an intuitive level, but want to dialogue with the

transits along with Saturn.

 

I might consider myself as a natural joetishi without training, and

would like you to consider my input to learning the practicalities.

 

Well, that being said...I have planets to talk to, bye!

 

Edward

>

>

> Dear Edward:

>

> Catching up on old emails today.  Thought I'd

> responded to this one.

> I think Sun & Saturn were colliding at the

> time, hehe.

>

> (See below)

>

>

> AyurvedJyotishYoga , markkincaid@

> wrote:

> >Mark,

>

> Consciousness just seems to want to

> unfold naturally. Even when one

> is born, our stars will unfold

> enabling our (karma) to flow on the

> expereincial level in life, so,

> what needs to unfold in this life,

> will come to the

> " surface " from the unconscious state of mnd

> releasing

> dynamic flow towards action in one way and or another.

>

> (I think you're right. 

> However I'm reminded by something Maharishi's always

> said and that

> is, without things like meditation, progress through life will take

>

> many, many life-times.

>

>

> For me, I recall all the

> way back to being in the womb. Now for me

> being aware of this is all

> about Mercury (communication) within my

> jyotish/chart, first house in

> Scorpio, at birth. Jupiter as a major

> Dasa came in 1992 and will end

> in 2008.

>

> (Learning to put as Astrological

> 'shape' to our life experiences, I believe

> is crucial for really

> acentuating our evolution.)

>

>

> Mark, what I wanted

> to speak of is that we will automatically unfold

> both the good and

> the malefic in the life course, but I beleive we

> should take on the

> malefic as a good sigm rather than a negative

> one.

>

> (Yes, this is my opinion as well.  Unfortunately,

> because of the nature

> of our Malefics, which really just represent

> our ignorance, where we're

> blind-sided, seeing things incorrectly...

> we'll continue doing certain

> things in the wrong way....

> unless

> we can get a better handle on those " mistaken notions " .

>

> And yes, this is one of the aspects of the 'blessings in disguise'

> quality

> of Malefics, is that they do really have some great lesson

> for us!

>

> They're not just punishment, or a curse, or fate, they

> are in fact, the automatic

> response from our previous actions...

> though because they're off a unhappy quality, this is Nature's way

of

> showing

> us the affect of our actions...

>

> This way, karma

> teaches us where we've been mistaken and of course, our

> Benefics

> teach us about our strengths! our goodnesses!)

>

>

> Being that goodness will be easy to recognise, but malefic

> will

> tend to increase discomfort. So, I like to think that this

> discomfort

> I speak of, is one that can act for us, if we have a ear

> to listening

> to this value, guidance from self referal.

>

> (And you're right here too.  Because our very nature

> is bliss, and the

> path of life is increasing Bliss and Happiness,

> anything that doesn't

> directly lead to more and more deep,

> consciousness bliss, will of

> course not be useful.

>

> And

> this fits very nicely the complete Philosophy of Malefics and

Benefics,

> is all we have to do is perceive whether our experiences are

pleasant or

> not.

>

> Now, from this different perspective we can realize

> " Oh, staying up late may

> be what I thought I was supposd to do,

> but now I see, I'm actually creating

> ill-health!)

>

>

>

>

> For instance (Saturn) being the task master, time will

> give us to

> help settle down this energy He brings us; Slowing down,

> when it

> feels heavy, (conflict) that perhaps, we don't want to take

> as a

> reminder to slow down, and smell the (roses)rest.

>

> (I like to say it slightly

> differently.   That our actions coming back to us,

> in

> different ways, ie. through all the different planets, every

moment is

> Nature showing us the consequences of our actions.

>

> Saturn has

> that thankless task of reflecting back to us, many of our most

> difficult lessons.

>

> So, we think sometimes Saturn is doing

> something.  But I don't think, now,

> that the Planets or Nature

> does anything but give us back our consequences.

>

> God may know

> that this is the perfect way for us to see ourselves and develop

> our

> own motivation to changeing what needs to be changed.

>

> Maharishi

> says:  " When you realize you are the source of your karma, then

> you

> realize that no one stands in your way, except your

> self... "

>

> I think this is true.)

>

>

> Then, allowing

> self to pick up after a brief momnet to relax, rest,

> gain insight,

> too, then to continue after rest! Like today, I feel

> lite, (Venus in

> Gemini) happy in multitasking, in the 8th house of

> transformation

> (Scorpio) ME; pack with lots of doing (Marish)in Leo

> in the 10th

> house. So, we unfold, one way or another, but recognise

> what is

> present in jyotish will gives us a preview, as we wake in the

> morn.

>

> (And yes, there is a better way of

> interpreting the life experiences that

> we're continually going

> through.

>

> Astrology has taught me this better way, and it's the

> way, not of a new

> Philosophy or someone's opinion; even ancient

> authors of Astrology;

> in stead Astrology represents the opinions of

> God or Nature, herself,

> telling us these will be the consequences of

> certain actions, and these

> malefic one's will be the consequences of

> others of our actions.)

>

>

>

> So, for me, I think

> and believe that you have helped me to clarify

> issues from a feeling,

> as to what is moving as to malefics.

>

> (Beautiful.   This is my deep hope, that people

> will come to perceive

> what Nature had been trying to bring to us but

> we ddn't quite understand.)

>

> Listening to what may be

> the message that is being given, and to

> allow oneself to work on to

> gain a brighter perspcetive as a process

> to unfoldment toward

> enlightment and self awarenss.

>

> (Yes.)

>

>

> The stars as

> nature speaks want us to know who

> we are in relation to this

> infolding pattern. It's great to see, when

> I take the time to rest

> when I know,

>

> (Beautiful,...yes...)

>

>

> Saturn is

> telling me or blocking me in some way.

>

> (Yes, Saturn does tend to say, 'not this way' or 'not this

> time'.

> Though of course if our Saturn is acting Benefically, it'll

> also say

> through the spontaneous, effortless fulfillment of our

> desires...

> yes,...do it this way!)

>

>

> Rest,

> let the tide go by, and gain the rest and insight, so the rest of

> the day becomes an empowerment for us.

>

> (Well said.)

>

>

> Mark, this is what I

> have

> gain in appreciating the level of listening to both good and

> bad, as

> part of a great play that will help to reveal who we truely

> be...Amen

>

> In all good,

>

> Edward

>

> (Nice talking with you...

>

>

> Mark)

>

>

> -- In AyurvedJyotishYoga ,

> markkincaid@

>

> ... wrote:

> >Mark,

>

> Consciousness just

> seems to want to unfold naturally. Even when one

> is born, our

> stars will unfold enabling our (karma) to flow on the

> expereincial

> level in life, so, what needs to unfold in this life,

> will come to

> the " surface " from the unconscious state of mnd

> releasing

> dynamic flow towards action in one way and or another.

> For me, I

> recall all the way back to being in the womb. Now for me

> being

> aware of this is all about Mercury (communication) within my

>

> jyotish/chart, first house in Scorpio, at birth. Jupiter as a

major

>

> Dasa came in 1992 and will end in 2008.

>

> Mark, what I wanted

> to speak of is that we will automatically unfold

> both the good and

> the malefic in the life course, but I beleive we

> should take on the

> malefic as a good sigm rather than a negative

> one. Being that

> goodness will be easy to recognise, but malefic

> will tend to

> increase discomfort. So, I like to think that this

> discomfort I

> speak of, is one that can act for us, if we have a ear

> to listening

> to this value, guidance from self referal.

>

> For instance

> (Saturn) being the task master, time will give us to

> help settle

> down this energy He brings us; Slowing down, when it

> feels heavy,

> (conflict) that perhaps, we don't want to take as a

> reminder to

> slow down, and smell the (roses)rest. Then, allowing

> self to pick

> up after a brief momnet to relax, rest, gain insight,

> too, then

> tocomtinue after rest! Like today, I feel lite, (Venus in

> Gemini)

> happy in multitasking, in the 8th house of transformation

> (Scorpio)

> ME; pack with lots of doing (Marish)in Leo in the 10th

> house. So,

> we unfold, one way or another, but recognise what is

> present in

> jyotish will gives us a preview, as we wake in the morn.

>

> So,

> for me, I think and believe that you have helped me to clarify

>

> issues form a feeling, as to what is moving as to malefics.

>

> Listening to what may be the message that is being given, and to

>

> allow oneself to work on to gain a brighter perspcetive as a

process

> to unfoldment toward enlightment and self awarenss. The stars as

> nature speaks want us to know who we are in relation to this

>

> infoling pattern. It's great to see, when I take the time to rest

>

> when I know, Saturn is telling me or blocking me in some way.

Rest,

>

> let the tide go by, and gain the rest and insight, so the rest of

>

> the day becomes an empowerment for us. Mark, this is what I have

>

> gain in appreciating the level of listening to both good and bad,

as

> part of a great play that will help to reveal who we truely

> be...Amen

>

> In all good,

>

> Edward

>