Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth'

January 31, 2006

Dear Vishnu, My mind is open only to God's interpretation. It is closed to anything outside of that. We follow a vindicated Prophet of Almighty God. We do not follow...conjecture, opinions, private interpretations, personal conceptions, carnal perceptions, vain philosophies, intellectual reasoning, humanistic idealogy, psychic phenomena, astrological horrorscopes, religious dogmas, false prophecies, fairy tales, fantasies, myths, rumours, gossip, or wishful thinking. The unadulterated Word of God is my Absolute. If you cannot accept

that, then it is you that has a closed mind, and not i. Have a nice day Sir. In His Love, Brother Shane For the Truth...go here: Bible Truths For Believers bibletruths_forbelievers/ Vishnu Singh

<MajSingh wrote: BYE!! If you are ever willing to have an open mind and discussion on our board please let me know. Namaste! --- Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Brother Shane <truebeliever_777Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:56 -0800 (PST)RotiMan <majsinghRe: Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth' Let me set you straught on some things now Sir. First of all, Noah is in the history of just about every culture on Earth. He is not a "Bible based" character. Also, before the Great Flood, there was no written Bible. There was only oral traditions and histories, and the stars and the Great Pyramid. By the way, Jesus is God. How can anyone teach God? Furthermore, all of what you said is mere speculation and opinion. There is no verifiable documentation to validate them. But there is plenty to invalidate them. Now take your carnal mis-interpretations, and go preach somewhere else. RotiMan <majsingh wrote: Get your facts straight! Hinduism (and the Vedas) existed LONGbefore Noah. The Vedas is the basis of Hinduism. The

Vedas is theoldest book known to mankind. There is no way Noah or anypart ofany other Bible-based religion could possibly effect the teachingsof Hinduism since it came before Noah's time.Is it possible that Bible versus came from Hinduism??? Did you knowJesus took time in India to learn under a HINDU guru?? Please getyour facts straight sir.> Hinduism is nothing more than an intellectual (and perverted)perception of the original true vedas...the Laws of Manu.>> The Laws of Manu> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html (trycomparing them to the Bible!)>> Which were obviously truths of God that were passed down fromNoah's descendants.>>> "And it was up in the mountains where this great event takenplace, and they had a great temple up there in the mountains inIndia. And they, each night, they would have their ceremonies andtheir feasts, while they

slept through the daytime. And in the lateevenings they would go out to the--on the plaza, and from thereclimb up the steps of an observatory, and get way up in the watchtower, and sit all night watching those bodies. And until it wasreal dark, when the twilights of evening was still falling, they'vehad a way of getting themself into the spirit of their astrology, orastronomy, or astrology, I think was the right word. And as theylooked, they would read the old manuscripts of--and discuss things,of the failures of their fathers, and the failures of the things.And doing so, then they would worship one true God. They were notidol worshippers. They believed in one true God."> -William M. Branham His Wonders To Perform (click to read & listen)> 12th January 1958>> To find out more go here...>> Bible Truths For Believers>

bibletruths_forbelievers/>bibletruths_forbelievers/message/3927>>> grimgargantua wrote:>> Historian hits out at 'Hinduism myth'>>> By Jhimli Mukherjee Pandey/TNN>>>> Santiniketan: Historian D N Jha, delivering his presidentialaddress> at the 66th session of the Indian History Congress here onSaturday,> sought to provide a radically different definition of Hinduism and> highlighted inherent contradictions in the Vedas.>> Flaying many accepted notions of Hinduism, he brought to thefore> the battle between Leftists and saffron historians. The Leftistsare> dominating the Congress this time and Hindutva historians hardlyhave> a presence.>> Hindus, Jha said, weren't original inhabitants of this> country. 'It's only a

claim Hindutva votaries, such as the VHP,make.> Hinduism, as the concept we know today, emerged much later and was> primarily the result of Christianity's encounters with theprevalent> religion here' Pre-colonial Sanskrit texts hardly mention the wordHindu. Such terms didn't have a currency in Bhakti literature,either. This indicates Indians didn't create a Hindu religiousidentity for themselves' Jha argued.>> The British used this term for administrative gains and hence,it> was a creation of the colonial period. It is an irony that this> timeless religion sanatanadharma had to wait for its first> codification by a European Annie Besant.>> 'There is no reason to deify the Vedas either'Jha said, asthere> are inherent contradictions in them and other Hinduscriptures .He> cited examples from the Mundaka Upanishads, which regard the Vedas> as lower knowledge.In the

Bhagvad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that> those who believe in the Vedas are full of worldly desires. Modern-> day preachers such as Ramakrishna also rejected the efficacy ofthe> Vedas'Jha pointed out.>> On the belief that Hinduism is a tolerant religion, he said: 'A> religion that practices the caste system and untouchability is> incapable of tolerance. History is replete with examples of> Brahminical hostility towards the Jains and Buddhists. Kautilya in> his Arthashashtra describes non-Hindus as pashandas.>> There is no reason to think the Brahmanas were untrained in> martial arts, he argued, because there were hundreds of salais and> ghatikas where they were given military training and this theyused> systematically to rout people of other faiths wherever necessary.>> Also, Hinduism has been converting people of other faiths. The> concept of diksha is

etymologically linked to conversion. Jha gave> examples of mass conversions from Jainsim to Hinduism.>> http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com>>Do You ?

February 2, 2006

Dear Shane, Who said Jesus is god. your own people say he is the messenger of god.ie.he was a philosopher. There are many books and proofs to prove that he came to india and learnt from hindu sanyasees the philosophy. this phiolosophy which he learnt in himalayas helped jesus and also through him others.As far as your noah is concerned he is a copycat of our manu of Matsya avatar of dashavataras. regardsBrother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Dear Vishnu, My mind is open only to God's interpretation. It is closed to anything outside of that. We follow a vindicated Prophet of Almighty

God. We do not follow...conjecture, opinions, private interpretations, personal conceptions, carnal perceptions, vain philosophies, intellectual reasoning, humanistic idealogy, psychic phenomena, astrological horrorscopes, religious dogmas, false prophecies, fairy tales, fantasies, myths, rumours, gossip, or wishful thinking. The unadulterated Word of God is my Absolute. If you cannot accept that, then it is you that has a closed mind, and not i. Have a nice day Sir. In His Love, Brother Shane For the Truth...go here: Bible Truths For Believers bibletruths_forbelievers/ Vishnu Singh <MajSingh wrote: BYE!! If you are ever willing to have an open mind and discussion on our board please let me know. Namaste! --- Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Brother Shane <truebeliever_777Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:56 -0800 (PST)RotiMan <majsinghRe: Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth' Let me set you straught on some things now Sir. First of all, Noah is in the history of just about every culture on Earth. He is not a "Bible based" character. Also, before the Great Flood, there was no written Bible. There was only oral traditions and histories, and the stars and the Great Pyramid. By the

way, Jesus is God. How can anyone teach God? Furthermore, all of what you said is mere speculation and opinion. There is no verifiable documentation to validate them. But there is plenty to invalidate them. Now take your carnal mis-interpretations, and go preach somewhere else. RotiMan <majsingh wrote: Get your facts straight! Hinduism (and the Vedas) existed LONGbefore Noah. The Vedas is the basis of Hinduism. The Vedas is theoldest book known to mankind. There is no way Noah or anypart ofany other Bible-based religion could possibly effect the teachingsof Hinduism since it came before Noah's time.Is it possible that Bible versus came from Hinduism??? Did you knowJesus took time in India to learn under a HINDU guru?? Please getyour facts straight sir.> Hinduism is nothing more than an intellectual (and perverted)perception of the original true vedas...the Laws of Manu.>> The

Laws of Manu> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html (trycomparing them to the Bible!)>> Which were obviously truths of God that were passed down fromNoah's descendants.>>> "And it was up in the mountains where this great event takenplace, and they had a great temple up there in the mountains inIndia. And they, each night, they would have their ceremonies andtheir feasts, while they slept through the daytime. And in the lateevenings they would go out to the--on the plaza, and from thereclimb up the steps of an observatory, and get way up in the watchtower, and sit all night watching those bodies. And until it wasreal dark, when the twilights of evening was still falling, they'vehad a way of getting themself into the spirit of their astrology, orastronomy, or astrology, I think was the right word. And as they looked, they would read the old manuscripts of--and discuss things,of the

failures of their fathers, and the failures of the things.And doing so, then they would worship one true God. They were notidol worshippers. They believed in one true God."> -William M. Branham His Wonders To Perform (click to read & listen)> 12th January 1958>> To find out more go here...>> Bible Truths For Believers> bibletruths_forbelievers/>bibletruths_forbelievers/message/3927>>> grimgargantua wrote:>> Historian hits out at 'Hinduism myth'>>> By Jhimli Mukherjee Pandey/TNN>>>> Santiniketan: Historian D N Jha, delivering his presidentialaddress> at the 66th session of the Indian History Congress here onSaturday,> sought to provide a radically different definition of Hinduism and> highlighted inherent contradictions

in the Vedas.>> Flaying many accepted notions of Hinduism, he brought to thefore> the battle between Leftists and saffron historians. The Leftistsare> dominating the Congress this time and Hindutva historians hardlyhave> a presence.>> Hindus, Jha said, weren't original inhabitants of this> country. 'It's only a claim Hindutva votaries, such as the VHP,make.> Hinduism, as the concept we know today, emerged much later and was> primarily the result of Christianity's encounters with theprevalent> religion here' Pre-colonial Sanskrit texts hardly mention the wordHindu. Such terms didn't have a currency in Bhakti literature,either. This indicates Indians didn't create a Hindu religiousidentity for themselves' Jha argued.>> The British used this term for administrative gains and hence,it> was a creation of the colonial period. It is an irony that

this> timeless religion sanatanadharma had to wait for its first> codification by a European Annie Besant.>> 'There is no reason to deify the Vedas either'Jha said, asthere> are inherent contradictions in them and other Hinduscriptures .He> cited examples from the Mundaka Upanishads, which regard the Vedas> as lower knowledge.In the Bhagvad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that> those who believe in the Vedas are full of worldly desires. Modern-> day preachers such as Ramakrishna also rejected the efficacy ofthe> Vedas'Jha pointed out.>> On the belief that Hinduism is a tolerant religion, he said: 'A> religion that practices the caste system and untouchability is> incapable of tolerance. History is replete with examples of> Brahminical hostility towards the Jains and Buddhists. Kautilya in> his Arthashashtra describes non-Hindus as pashandas.>> There

is no reason to think the Brahmanas were untrained in> martial arts, he argued, because there were hundreds of salais and> ghatikas where they were given military training and this theyused> systematically to rout people of other faiths wherever necessary.>> Also, Hinduism has been converting people of other faiths. The> concept of diksha is etymologically linked to conversion. Jha gave> examples of mass conversions from Jainsim to Hinduism.>> http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com>

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February 2, 2006

There probably was a great flood some time

prior to recorded history. The Hindus and Judeo-Christians have very similar

myths about it. Vishnu, wasn’t there an Avatar in fish form? Doesn’t

mean one was a rip-off of the other. Just different stories about something

that really happened.

…Bettina

On Behalf Of Amith

Thursday, February 02, 2006

9:55 AM

;

MajSingh

Cc:

bibletruths_forbelievers ; greatindian

Re:

Re: Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at

'Hinduism Myth'

Dear Shane,

Who said Jesus is god. your own people say he is the messenger of god.

ie.he was a philosopher. There are many books and proofs to prove that he came

to india

and learnt from hindu sanyasees the philosophy. this phiolosophy which he

learnt in himalayas helped jesus and also through him others.

As far as your noah is concerned he is a copycat of our manu of Matsya avatar

of dashavataras.

regards

Brother Shane

<truebeliever_777 wrote:

Dear Vishnu,

My mind is open only to God's interpretation. It is closed to anything

outside of that.

We follow a vindicated Prophet of Almighty God.

We do not

follow...conjecture, opinions, private interpretations, personal conceptions,

carnal perceptions, vain philosophies, intellectual reasoning, humanistic

idealogy, psychic phenomena, astrological horrorscopes, religious dogmas, false

prophecies, fairy tales, fantasies, myths, rumours, gossip, or

wishful thinking.

The unadulterated Word of God is my Absolute.

If you cannot accept that, then it is you

that has a closed mind, and not i.

Have a nice day Sir.

In His Love,

Brother Shane

For the Truth...go here:

Bible Truths For

Believers

bibletruths_forbelievers/

Vishnu Singh

<MajSingh wrote:

BYE!! If you are ever willing to have an open mind and

discussion on our board please let me know.

Namaste!

--- Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote:

Brother Shane

<truebeliever_777

Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:56

-0800 (PST)

RotiMan <majsingh

Re: Message not approved:

[persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth'

Let me set you straught on some things now Sir.

First of all, Noah is in the history of just about every

culture on Earth. He is not a " Bible based " character.

Also, before the Great Flood, there was no written Bible.

There was only oral traditions and histories, and the stars and the Great

Pyramid.

By the way, Jesus is God. How can anyone teach God?

Furthermore, all of what you said is mere speculation

and opinion. There is no verifiable documentation to validate them. But there

is plenty to invalidate them.

Now take your carnal mis-interpretations, and go

preach somewhere else.

RotiMan <majsingh

wrote:

Get your facts straight! Hinduism (and the Vedas) existed

LONG

before Noah. The Vedas is the basis of Hinduism. The Vedas is the

oldest book known to mankind. There is no way Noah or anypart of

any other Bible-based religion could possibly effect the teachings

of Hinduism since it came before Noah's time.

Is it possible that Bible versus came from Hinduism??? Did you know

Jesus took time in India

to learn under a HINDU guru?? Please get

your facts straight sir.

> Hinduism is nothing more than an intellectual (and perverted)

perception of the original true vedas...the Laws of Manu.

>

> The Laws of Manu

> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html (try

comparing them to the Bible!)

>

> Which were obviously truths of God that were passed down from

Noah's descendants.

>

> " And it was up in the mountains where this great event taken

place, and they had a great temple up there in the mountains in

India.

And they, each night, they would have their ceremonies and

their feasts, while they slept through the daytime. And in the late

evenings they would go out to the--on the plaza, and from there

climb up the steps of an observatory, and get way up in the watch

tower, and sit all night watching those bodies. And until it was

real dark, when the twilights of evening was still falling, they've

had a way of getting themself into the spirit of their astrology, or

astronomy, or astrology, I think was the right word. And as they looked, they

would read the old manuscripts of--and discuss things,

of the failures of their fathers, and the failures of the things.

And doing so, then they would worship one true God. They were not

idol worshippers. They believed in one true God. "

> -William M. Branham His Wonders To Perform (click to read &

listen)

> 12th January 1958

>

> To find out more go here...

>

> Bible Truths For Believers

> bibletruths_forbelievers/

>

bibletruths_forbelievers/message/3927

>

> grimgargantua wrote:

>

> Historian hits out at 'Hinduism myth'

>

> By Jhimli Mukherjee Pandey/TNN

>

> Santiniketan: Historian D N Jha,

delivering his presidential

address

> at the 66th session of the Indian History Congress here on

Saturday,

> sought to provide a radically different definition of Hinduism and

> highlighted inherent contradictions in the Vedas.

>

> Flaying many accepted notions of Hinduism, he brought to the

fore

> the battle between Leftists and saffron historians. The Leftists

are

> dominating the Congress this time and Hindutva historians hardly

have

> a presence.

>

> Hindus, Jha said, weren't original inhabitants of this

> country. 'It's only a claim Hindutva votaries, such as the VHP,

make.

> Hinduism, as the concept we know today, emerged much later and was

> primarily the result of Christianity's encounters with the

prevalent

> religion here' Pre-colonial Sanskrit texts hardly mention the word

Hindu. Such terms didn't have a currency in Bhakti literature,

either. This indicates Indians didn't create a Hindu religious

identity for themselves' Jha argued.

>

> The British used this term for administrative gains and hence,

it

> was a creation of the colonial period. It is an irony that this

> timeless religion sanatanadharma had to wait for its first

> codification by a European Annie Besant.

>

> 'There is no reason to deify the Vedas either'Jha said, as

there

> are inherent contradictions in them and other Hindu

scriptures .He

> cited examples from the Mundaka Upanishads, which regard the Vedas

> as lower knowledge.In the Bhagvad Gita, Krishna

tells Arjuna that

> those who believe in the Vedas are full of worldly desires. Modern-

> day preachers such as Ramakrishna also rejected the efficacy of

the

> Vedas'Jha pointed out.

>

> On the belief that Hinduism is a tolerant religion, he said: 'A

> religion that practices the caste system and untouchability is

> incapable of tolerance. History is replete with examples of

> Brahminical hostility towards the Jains and Buddhists. Kautilya in

> his Arthashashtra describes non-Hindus as pashandas.

>

> There is no reason to think the Brahmanas were untrained in

> martial arts, he argued, because there were hundreds of salais and

> ghatikas where they were given military training and this they

used

> systematically to rout people of other faiths wherever necessary.

>

> Also, Hinduism has been converting people of other faiths. The

> concept of diksha is etymologically linked to conversion. Jha gave

> examples of mass conversions from Jainsim to Hinduism.

>

> http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com

>

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February 3, 2006

Amith <amitvittal wrote: Dear Shane, Who said Jesus is god. your own people say he is the messenger of god.ie.he was a philosopher. There are many books and proofs to prove that he came to india and learnt from hindu sanyasees the philosophy. this phiolosophy which he learnt in himalayas helped jesus and also through him others.As far as your noah is concerned he is a copycat of our manu of Matsya avatar of dashavataras. regardsBrother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Dear Vishnu, My mind is open only to God's interpretation. It is closed to anything outside of that. We follow a vindicated Prophet of Almighty God. We do not follow...conjecture, opinions, private interpretations, personal conceptions, carnal perceptions, vain philosophies, intellectual reasoning, humanistic idealogy, psychic phenomena, astrological horrorscopes, religious dogmas, false prophecies, fairy tales, fantasies, myths, rumours, gossip, or wishful thinking. The unadulterated Word of God is my Absolute. If you cannot accept that, then it is you that has a closed mind, and not

i. Have a nice day Sir. In His Love, Brother Shane For the Truth...go here: Bible Truths For Believers bibletruths_forbelievers/ Vishnu Singh <MajSingh wrote: BYE!! If you are ever willing to have an open mind and discussion on our board please let me know. Namaste! --- Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Brother Shane <truebeliever_777Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:56 -0800 (PST)RotiMan <majsinghRe: Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth' Let me set you straught on some things now Sir. First of all, Noah is in the history of just about every culture on Earth. He is not a "Bible based" character. Also, before the Great Flood, there was no written Bible. There was only oral traditions and histories, and the stars and the Great Pyramid. By the way, Jesus is God. How can anyone teach God? Furthermore, all of what you said is mere speculation and opinion. There is no verifiable documentation to validate them. But there is plenty to invalidate them. Now take

your carnal mis-interpretations, and go preach somewhere else. RotiMan <majsingh wrote: Get your facts straight! Hinduism (and the Vedas) existed LONGbefore Noah. The Vedas is the basis of Hinduism. The Vedas is theoldest book known to mankind. There is no way Noah or anypart ofany other Bible-based religion could possibly effect the teachingsof Hinduism since it came before Noah's time.Is it possible that Bible versus came from Hinduism??? Did you knowJesus took time in India to learn under a HINDU guru?? Please getyour facts

straight sir.> Hinduism is nothing more than an intellectual (and perverted)perception of the original true vedas...the Laws of Manu.>> The Laws of Manu> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html (trycomparing them to the Bible!)>> Which were obviously truths of God that were passed down fromNoah's descendants.>>> "And it was up in the mountains where this great event takenplace, and they had a great temple up there in the mountains inIndia. And they, each night, they would have their ceremonies andtheir feasts, while they slept through the daytime. And in the lateevenings they would go out to the--on the plaza, and from thereclimb up the steps of an observatory, and get way up in the watchtower, and sit all night watching those bodies. And until it wasreal dark, when the twilights of evening was still falling, they'vehad a way of getting themself into the

spirit of their astrology, orastronomy, or astrology, I think was the right word. And as they looked, they would read the old manuscripts of--and discuss things,of the failures of their fathers, and the failures of the things.And doing so, then they would worship one true God. They were notidol worshippers. They believed in one true God."> -William M. Branham His Wonders To Perform (click to read & listen)> 12th January 1958>> To find out more go here...>> Bible Truths For Believers> bibletruths_forbelievers/>bibletruths_forbelievers/message/3927>>> grimgargantua wrote:>> Historian hits out at 'Hinduism myth'>>> By Jhimli Mukherjee Pandey/TNN>>>> Santiniketan: Historian D N Jha, delivering his presidentialaddress> at the 66th

session of the Indian History Congress here onSaturday,> sought to provide a radically different definition of Hinduism and> highlighted inherent contradictions in the Vedas.>> Flaying many accepted notions of Hinduism, he brought to thefore> the battle between Leftists and saffron historians. The Leftistsare> dominating the Congress this time and Hindutva historians hardlyhave> a presence.>> Hindus, Jha said, weren't original inhabitants of this> country. 'It's only a claim Hindutva votaries, such as the VHP,make.> Hinduism, as the concept we know today, emerged much later and was> primarily the result of Christianity's encounters with theprevalent> religion here' Pre-colonial Sanskrit texts hardly mention the wordHindu. Such terms didn't have a currency in Bhakti literature,either. This indicates Indians didn't create a Hindu religiousidentity for

themselves' Jha argued.>> The British used this term for administrative gains and hence,it> was a creation of the colonial period. It is an irony that this> timeless religion sanatanadharma had to wait for its first> codification by a European Annie Besant.>> 'There is no reason to deify the Vedas either'Jha said, asthere> are inherent contradictions in them and other Hinduscriptures .He> cited examples from the Mundaka Upanishads, which regard the Vedas> as lower knowledge.In the Bhagvad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that> those who believe in the Vedas are full of worldly desires. Modern-> day preachers such as Ramakrishna also rejected the efficacy ofthe> Vedas'Jha pointed out.>> On the belief that Hinduism is a tolerant religion, he said: 'A> religion that practices the caste system and untouchability is> incapable of tolerance. History is replete

with examples of> Brahminical hostility towards the Jains and Buddhists. Kautilya in> his Arthashashtra describes non-Hindus as pashandas.>> There is no reason to think the Brahmanas were untrained in> martial arts, he argued, because there were hundreds of salais and> ghatikas where they were given military training and this theyused> systematically to rout people of other faiths wherever necessary.>> Also, Hinduism has been converting people of other faiths. The> concept of diksha is etymologically linked to conversion. Jha gave> examples of mass conversions from Jainsim to Hinduism.>> http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com> With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail.

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February 3, 2006

You said... "As far as your noah is concerned he is a copycat of our manu of Matsya avatar of dashavataras." Hmm, how interesting. I wasn't even aware of that. Wonderful how God confirms things...isn't it? Wow!, looky what i found... Manu ... Hindu myth's version of Noah, Manu Measuring Noah's Ark ... Ancient India tradition: Manu meaning Noah is called Satya (truth, righteous). The remains of Noah's Ark ...the name `Manu' is very likely derived from Noah (MaNU=Noah Flood Legends from Around the World ... The fish told Manu that a great flood would soon come Thanks for your help and have a nice day! In His' Love, Brother Shane Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Excuse my dear friend, but just who do you say are "my people"?Amith <amitvittal

wrote: Amith <amitvittal wrote: Dear Shane, Who said Jesus is god. your own people say he is the messenger of god.ie.he was a philosopher. There are many books and proofs to prove that he came to india and learnt from hindu sanyasees the philosophy. this phiolosophy which he learnt in himalayas helped jesus and also through him others.As far as your noah is concerned he is a copycat of our manu of Matsya avatar of dashavataras. regardsBrother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Dear Vishnu, My mind is open only to God's interpretation. It is closed to anything outside of that. We follow a vindicated Prophet of Almighty God. We do not follow...conjecture, opinions, private interpretations, personal conceptions, carnal perceptions, vain philosophies, intellectual reasoning, humanistic idealogy, psychic phenomena, astrological horrorscopes, religious dogmas, false prophecies, fairy tales, fantasies, myths, rumours, gossip, or wishful thinking. The unadulterated Word of God is my Absolute. If you cannot accept that,

then it is you that has a closed mind, and not i. Have a nice day Sir. In His Love, Brother Shane For the Truth...go here: Bible Truths For Believers bibletruths_forbelievers/ Vishnu Singh

<MajSingh wrote: BYE!! If you are ever willing to have an open mind and discussion on our board please let me know. Namaste! --- Brother Shane <truebeliever_777 wrote: Brother Shane <truebeliever_777Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:34:56 -0800 (PST)RotiMan <majsinghRe: Message not approved: [persecuted_church_of_india] Historiam hits out at 'Hinduism Myth' Let me set you straught on some things now Sir. First of all, Noah is in the history of just about every culture on Earth. He is not a "Bible based" character. Also, before the Great Flood, there was no written Bible. There was only oral traditions and histories, and the stars and the Great Pyramid. By the way, Jesus is God. How can anyone teach God? Furthermore, all of what you said is mere speculation and opinion. There is no verifiable documentation to validate them. But there is plenty to invalidate them. Now take your carnal

mis-interpretations, and go preach somewhere else. RotiMan <majsingh wrote: Get your facts straight! Hinduism (and the Vedas) existed LONGbefore Noah. The Vedas is the basis of Hinduism. The Vedas is theoldest book known to mankind. There is no way Noah or anypart ofany other Bible-based religion could possibly effect the teachingsof Hinduism since it came before Noah's time.Is it possible that Bible versus came from Hinduism??? Did you knowJesus took time in India to learn under a HINDU guru?? Please getyour facts straight

sir.> Hinduism is nothing more than an intellectual (and perverted)perception of the original true vedas...the Laws of Manu.>> The Laws of Manu> http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/india/manu-full.html (trycomparing them to the Bible!)>> Which were obviously truths of God that were passed down fromNoah's descendants.>>> "And it was up in the mountains where this great event takenplace, and they had a great temple up there in the mountains inIndia. And they, each night, they would have their ceremonies andtheir feasts, while they slept through the daytime. And in the lateevenings they would go out to the--on the plaza, and from thereclimb up the steps of an observatory, and get way up in the watchtower, and sit all night watching those bodies. And until it wasreal dark, when the twilights of evening was still falling, they'vehad a way of getting themself into the spirit of

their astrology, orastronomy, or astrology, I think was the right word. And as they looked, they would read the old manuscripts of--and discuss things,of the failures of their fathers, and the failures of the things.And doing so, then they would worship one true God. They were notidol worshippers. They believed in one true God."> -William M. Branham His Wonders To Perform (click to read & listen)> 12th January 1958>> To find out more go here...>> Bible Truths For Believers> bibletruths_forbelievers/>bibletruths_forbelievers/message/3927>>> grimgargantua wrote:>> Historian hits out at 'Hinduism myth'>>> By Jhimli Mukherjee Pandey/TNN>>>> Santiniketan: Historian D N Jha, delivering his presidentialaddress> at the 66th session of

the Indian History Congress here onSaturday,> sought to provide a radically different definition of Hinduism and> highlighted inherent contradictions in the Vedas.>> Flaying many accepted notions of Hinduism, he brought to thefore> the battle between Leftists and saffron historians. The Leftistsare> dominating the Congress this time and Hindutva historians hardlyhave> a presence.>> Hindus, Jha said, weren't original inhabitants of this> country. 'It's only a claim Hindutva votaries, such as the VHP,make.> Hinduism, as the concept we know today, emerged much later and was> primarily the result of Christianity's encounters with theprevalent> religion here' Pre-colonial Sanskrit texts hardly mention the wordHindu. Such terms didn't have a currency in Bhakti literature,either. This indicates Indians didn't create a Hindu religiousidentity for themselves' Jha

argued.>> The British used this term for administrative gains and hence,it> was a creation of the colonial period. It is an irony that this> timeless religion sanatanadharma had to wait for its first> codification by a European Annie Besant.>> 'There is no reason to deify the Vedas either'Jha said, asthere> are inherent contradictions in them and other Hinduscriptures .He> cited examples from the Mundaka Upanishads, which regard the Vedas> as lower knowledge.In the Bhagvad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that> those who believe in the Vedas are full of worldly desires. Modern-> day preachers such as Ramakrishna also rejected the efficacy ofthe> Vedas'Jha pointed out.>> On the belief that Hinduism is a tolerant religion, he said: 'A> religion that practices the caste system and untouchability is> incapable of tolerance. History is replete with examples

of> Brahminical hostility towards the Jains and Buddhists. Kautilya in> his Arthashashtra describes non-Hindus as pashandas.>> There is no reason to think the Brahmanas were untrained in> martial arts, he argued, because there were hundreds of salais and> ghatikas where they were given military training and this theyused> systematically to rout people of other faiths wherever necessary.>> Also, Hinduism has been converting people of other faiths. The> concept of diksha is etymologically linked to conversion. Jha gave> examples of mass conversions from Jainsim to Hinduism.>> http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com> With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Mail.