2-There, re. Brief, comments to correspondence between Mu & Mark

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Dear Therese:

 

Nice to hear from you. As I've listed before my birth data is Sept. 4, 1951 at 11:17am

Kansas City, MO. Libra rising, Jyotish system.

 

 

One last thing I'll say. Indian Vedic Knowledge including Jyotish has been very ineffectual,

especially in India for a long time. That's not to say there isn't tremendous potential

and benefits in isolated pockets but as a whole, not living up to the vision of possibilities

according to Vedic Wisdom.

 

Having taught meditation for a long time, I can vouch for the fact, that the technique and practice of Transcendental Meditation, as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, is very unique

and new to India, as well as the west.

 

Japa, mantra meditation is not new, however, the way that TM, is understood both as a technique and as a Philosophy is unique and extremely new.

 

Like that, I've looked into the nature, of so-called Traditional Astrology or Jyotish and found

much there that's also wrapped up in that old view, of Vedic understanding.

 

Maharishi himself, as said that Vedic Knowledge 'traditionally' goes throuch cycles of freshness

and loss of knowledge. Then, at various times, that knowledge is revived and made more

practical.

 

Anyone who would like to read more about this, could pick up a copy of Maharishi's translation of the Bhagavad Gita, available most places.

 

In there, Maharishi talks about how the technique of the effortless and natural technique of TM has been known in the past but gotten lost at times.

 

Maharishi also goes into great detail about how part of the problem is because individuals of the sannyasi or renunciate side of life, have gotten into the habit of honoring this as superior to the householder path.

 

As a result, Vedic Knowledge has gotten out of balance, since it's supposed to apply to all people's householder and renunciate, alike.

 

As a result of this misinterpretation of the Vedic Scriptures, Maharishi say's that the practical

benefits of TM and all other branches of Ved, have been lost, and the people's of India, and

throughout the World, have remained in suffering.

 

When I was in India in 1988, attending a course on Ayurved, I got a chance to study with Maharishi and this is where I first got introduced to Jyotish and especially Maharishi's 'take' on Vedic Astrology.

 

Having progressed for many years in the Maharishi approach to natural, effortless meditation, I was very happy to see Maharishi finally put his unique perspective towards Jyotish.

 

In fact there were 5 or 6 things that he said, which I then, came back to the states and began studying Jyotish, with.

 

One of these was his statement: " Don't take your chart's like they're written in stone. They're just the state of Physiology at birth. "

 

I've thought a lot about even this one statement and realize it's at the very heart of what I call the more 'true' or Consciousness approach to Vedic Astrology.

 

Now, I understand that the Jyotish in the past has not emphasized the 'transformative' side to life, or to Jyotish and part of the reason for this is the deterioration of the belief that it's possible

to meditate, easily and develop the mind.

 

Now, as this true breakthrough in human consciousness has been re-discovered, this more progressive, and transformative aspect of Jyotish is now more clear.

 

Part of this has still been there. You could go to a quote, 'traditional' Jyotishee, and after analysing your chart, Jyotish remedies would be given.

 

But, even as recently as 1988, wheneven you'd pick up any book on Jyotish, there would be 195 pages on the various Understandings of the Jyotish, and then, at the end, almost tacked on like an aside, would be 5 final pages on Jyotish remedies.

 

Over the years' I realized this % might be very incorrect. Later I thought more like 50/50% would be better. Now, I believe that 70/30 is even better.

 

In fact it takes very little time to figure out the person's problems or malefics, and therefore more and more time can now, be spent (even as much as 70%), towards the improvement and

transformation of the person's malefics, into their true benefic status.

 

Maharishi says that the field of consciousness is a field of all possibilities, and the extent to which one has alighned oneself to that pure consciousness, one can develop the ability to do anything, and accomplish everything.

 

Maharishi, himself is a great example of this 'renewal' of Vedic Wisdom.

 

He started his TM movement in the mid 50's and now, over 50 years later, he's saying that the " Descent of Heaven " , is now begun, descending to Earth.

 

Right now, he's organizing many thousands of Vedic pundits, in India to do whole, huge, yaguas

to help facilitate this great possibility, so we'll just have to see.

 

 

My own, take and slant on Jyotish, is deeply rooted in my transformative experiences in Consciousness.

 

I don't think of it as being a Westernized rendition of Jyotish, but rather a better insight into the true Jyotish or AStrology which is out there, and in-here.

 

That's why I like this concept of Nature's Astrology, because Nature, herself, seems to be true, Vedic and Western a like.

 

Or maybe it's just the same Astrology, which is interpreted slighly differently due to the different perspectives of Westerners and Easterners!

 

Though a time may be coming where the twain of East & West, may truely join, and that will be a great day.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

therese92003 <eastwest

 

Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:15:42 -0700

 

Breif Commentary: Mu/Mark

 

 

Hello Mu, Mark and All,

First I'm very sorry that today I have very little time for writing on

forums. But I'll very briefly give my thoughts on today's exchange between

Mu'Min and Mark.

What Mu'Min says of Jyotish (referred to as 'Vedic' astrology) is basically

correct. India's astrology has always dealt with traditional astrological

rules and facts. Client questions do have to deal with 'love, money, and

health.'

The astrology that Mark uses on this site is not the traditional astrology

of India. It is western metaphysical thought applied in the sidereal

zodiac. There is nothing wrong with that as long as that astrology isn't

called 'Jyotish' or 'Vedic.'

As for Maharishi, many question his personal spiritual development. I

mention this as an aside, suggessting that his teachings and opinions

shouldn't necessarily have any connection to astrology as used by

practitioners.

The bottom line today is that all astrology, both east and west, is in

transition. Many of India's traditional astrological teachings are being

ignored. Some are found not to work. Some work beautifully. For good or

ill, India's tradition is being greatly diluted by the teachings and

practices of western astrologers who have learned something of Jyotish.

A temporary answer is for each astrologer to be out front about what they

are doing. In Mark's case it should be noted that he isn't practicing

traditional Indian astrology. He has taken the philosophy of Marhishi and

combined it with his own perspective and invented a type of 'metaphysical

counseling.' Thus he should be billed as a 'metahphysical counselor' who

uses the planets in the sidereal zodiac.

Mu'Min apparently practices the traditional astrology of India. Mu'Min then

would be a 'traditional Indian astrologer.'

For our enlightenment on this forum, it would be very interesting for us to

study the charts of both Mark and Mu'Min. I believe the birth data of both

is public. Can each of you please re-post your birth data here?

If I find time, I'll study the two posts from Mu'Min and Mark with more

attention and perhaps comment further. This post is a quick once-over that

has had to fit between today's obligations.

Blessings,

Therese