More On Saturn - Mark K, ALL

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Hi Mark, Everyone...

 

Saw the thread on Saturn, thought to throw this in. It's an essay I

wrote sometime back on Sade Sati, which is the 7.5 year transit of

Saturn in relation to the Moon or Lagna.

 

Enjoy.

 

On Life, Death, & Sade Sati

 

Tue, Mar 2, 2004

 

Hello Everyone,

 

Very interesting, Synchronicity is; here I just get finished

answering a question about a Vedic method of Transit known as Sade

Sati, and I come into the Forum to see a discussion on, in part, Life

and Death!

 

While I too respect Mr. Tyl, I have never been one to follow rules

very well; in fact, when I was growing up, if my parents told

me, " don't go over there " , guess where I would end right up?

 

So, with that in mind, I think it is most prudent to consider the

question of Life and Death in the Horoscope.

 

Anyone who has studied Astrology for any length of time, regardless

of thier religious and/or philosophical orientation (and I'm a Muslim

with very strong Eastern overtones) - or the lack therof - cannot

help but consider that there is a " method to the madness " , that

things can and often do happen for a reason; and that we can learn

from it all.

 

I believe strongly in Free Will, the Process of Becoming, and the

Struggle (Jihad) all of us face as we strive to Reach the Sun. No

matter what the situation, no matter what the horoscope, we all are

charged to do the best we can with what we have.

I believe that.

 

And on the other hand, I also believe that there is a beginning and

an ending to all things, as confirmed everyday by our sunrise and

sunsets, by our ever changing seasons. Death, is a natural and

eventual part of Life.

 

I was talking with a colleague earlier today about the very profound,

yet little documented, Vedic astrological method known as Sade Sati.

It is a transit that is applied to the Moon, and while it is not

widely documented in the authoritative texts of Vedic astrology, it

is widely known and observed by practically every working jyotishi

(vedic astrologer). Sade Sati is the 7.5 year transit of the Moon's

sign (it can also be applied to the Asc's sign) and the two signs

that flank it. I have mentioned this method in this forum and

elsewhere many times, and too much can't be said about it.

 

It's really that profound.

 

Sade Sati periods, all things being equal, are usually times of

profound loss in one way or another; this can occur in any area of

life, but usually in those areas where the Moon and Saturn are

natally positioned in the horoscope. It is very common for a person

to lose a loved one to death during Sade Sati. Not all the time, and

again, I have to be very, very clear on the fact that one always has

to take the individual situation into account, and that context is

everything - but I have seen it, very often nonetheless.

 

I have my Vedic (Sidereal) Moon in Aries, in the 5th house of my

Vedic horoscope. Saturn by transit was passing through my 12th house

in 1995-96, beginning my Sade Sati. Between the years 1997-2003 (the

tail end of that period when Sade Sati had ended about 8 months

earlier) my grandmother (July, 1997), dad (Dec, 1998), mom (Oct,

2002) and grandfather (Aug, 2003) would all be gone. I had seen this

potential before the fact, and was very concerned about it. My

grandparents, being senior citizens, was no big surprise; but my

parents, I didn't want to lose them at such a young age.

 

But their reality fit; both my parents had chronic health conditions

to contend with, and so Sade Sati, for me, could manifest in that

way. I decided to get counsel from a Vedic astrologer friend I knew.

 

This man was not only a Vedic astrologer, but he was also a Hindu

monk, having spent many years at home and abroad in ashrams. We

talked about my situation (early fall, 1998), calmly, sensitively. He

spoke to me about preparing myself for what could happen, to mend any

and all fences with my parents before the appointed time came, and to

be strong for my sisters.

 

I did just that. I kept the information to myself, not telling my

sisters, and I quietly prepared for the times to come.

 

On Dec 8, 1998, my father and I had our last conversation in this

world; like many fathers and sons, ours was a rocky, sometimes

outright hostile relationship. But I am so very glad that we made

peace with each other before he left. I have no regrets.

 

A similiar situation occured with me and my mother. Again, no

regrets.

 

With the exception of my grandfather, who made his transition from an

Elder to an Ancestor while I was out of town on business, I eulogized

all of my forebearers. Doing so helped me tremendously in the

greiving process, and I grew up a great deal as well. At my mother's

funeral, after I delivered her eulogy, many people, who had known me

as boy, said that my mom would so very proud to see me now as a man.

 

I agree with many others who takes the position that matters of death

within astrology should not be taken or handled lightly. But where we

may part company on, is the fact that it is the astrologer's duty to

properly prepare the client for such situations should it become very

clear in that person's reality and astrology.

 

I am so very glad that my friend, the Vedic astrologer and monk, took

that time with me to discuss these things, in a forthright, yet

sensitive manner. It made all the difference.

 

I recently had a consultation with a lady client, who had a very

similar Sade Sati situation that I saw back in the same time period

as mine. She lost two very close people to her, and while we didn't

know each other then, she was very much into what some would consider

spiritual practices and she, unknowingly(?) went on a regimen of

practices (sweat lodges, meditation, speaking with these loved ones

and saying all that had to be said). She said she was so very happy

that she had done those things, because she did not have the greivous

episodes that many people often have when a loved one passes on (at

African American funerals, for example, it is very common to see

people literally pass out, often when making the procession round the

casket). Our conversation about this time in her life, which I had

seen in my preparation notes, was very touching and profound.

 

I have a very good and close friend who has Saturn in the Sidereal

sign of Aries in the 7th house of his horoscope. The Moon is in the

Sidereal sign of Cancer in the 10th house. Sade Sati was in operation

starting in 2002, and since that time his boss, a very good man,

passed on, and so did this man's father. At present, this man's

mother is hospitalized, with the possibility of cancer involved. We

talked the other day about this, and I shared with him my own

experiences with such things. I think this has helped him

considerably, as he makes preparations for what could happen in due

course of time.

 

I have much more to say about Sade Sati, Life, Death and the role the

astroloer plays in all of this, but I'll end here. Over the years,

dealing with this issue, both from a personal perspective as well as

in my practice, I have found it very helpful to meditate on the

following words:

 

There is no Emotion; There is Peace

 

There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge

 

There is no Passion; There is Serenity

 

There is no Death; There is the Force

 

Salaam,

Mu