2-Adnan, re.... role of Guru, in life.... Mark K. 2/9

[Guest guest]

Dear Adnan:

 

I used to feel much gratitude towards those who first turned me onto meditation, I shouldn't, now, be surprised, that .... Jyotish, really good Jyotish.....

also might have the same powerful effects for our lives...

 

I love the fact, in Jyotish, that the graces, and benefits of Guru, are unique and important to life.

 

That's why we can rejoice in saying Jai Guru!

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

" Sabri " <korua

 

Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:41:19 -0000

 

Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Thank you- > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

 

 

 

Himmmm....

 

I guess; " All Glory to the Guru " ! :-)

 

Jai Jai Guru Deva.

 

Will keep in touch, take care.

 

And Many Many thanks to the unique and original approach to Jyotish

you have introduced us to.

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> thanks.....

>

> hehee

>

> maybe due to my libra rising....

> hehehe

>

> also I find argueing....a waste of time and energy....

>

> the greatest need in this entire world...

>

> is unity.....

>

> and God's the key....

>

> we all can find a common ground....

>

> 'there'....

>

> thoughts are just that..... thoughts......

>

> also the key is learning how to transcend thoughts....

>

> that way, even one's own thoughts....are not soooo crucial....

>

> they're just thoughts...

> heehhe

>

> thanks again....

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:28:55 -0000

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, Bettina & All:, re....

Rahu and

> Ketu's Aspects-- > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between

Transits & our

> charts

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> Thanks for your views, it all makes sense.

> By the way I have noticed something, the interaction in your group

> here is more coordial and joyful, apparently (for me at least) it

is

> because of your hosting,

> Take care, Chau,

>

> Adnan Sabri.

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan, Bettina & All:

> >

> > I think because we 'notice' the transits, most vividly, we tend

to

> think

> > that they effect the Psychology & Physiology, which are aspects

of

> our

> > 'charts'.

> >

> > However, it only makes sense that the chart, and all it's

> implications,

> > aspects, etc. would also influence the other way...

> >

> > The way I experience it, is, ... my chart is like my given, my

> everyday

> > reality, and I do feel the subtleties of the fact that my Saturn

> in the 12th

> > aspects my 2nd, and my Mars in the 10th aspects my 1st,...e.tc...

> >

> > Then when I pay attention to the transits, for example, when

> Saturn went

> > into Cancer, it was transiting my 10th house...

> >

> > And I could really experience it. It felt like this huge boulder

> > sllooooowly.... inching across the landscape of my 10th house...

> >

> > Then, the Moon comes along and when it's in the same house as my

> Saturn,

> > that's one experience and then when the Moon moves into the 3rd

> house away

> > from the transiting Saturn, again that Saturn quality comes

back...

> >

> > In my case, with Sani moving into my 10th house, when the Moon

> went into

> > Virgo, last month, I could again, feel that Sani influence from

my

> 10th

> > house...

> >

> > And because my Natal Moon & Saturn are both in my 12th house....

> >

> > I could feel these 2 forces, like layers upon layers...

> >

> > On the one hand, I felt comfortable with the Moon there, because

I

> was born

> > there, and also, Jupiter's presently transiting Virgo, and that

> was there

> > too...

> > which felt very glorious for the Moon...

> >

> > However, my Saturn is!, in the 12th....and the transiting Moon

> going into

> > that house, simultaneously being aspected by Saturn in Cancer, in

> my

> > 10th.... all of that....I could experience, goings on, at the

same

> time...

> >

> > It only makes sense, if the Natal planets have their different

> aspects,

> > then, when the transiting Planets are 'doing there thing', then,

> it's

> > imaginable, that their 'two' influences, would 'add' up.

> >

> > Hope this helps..

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:29:53 -0000

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-- >

> > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Bettina,

> > Thanks for your reply and reminder,

> > I am mentioning about Vedic astrology.

> > May I humbly disagree;

> > At least one good friend of mine, who happens to be accepted

world-

> > wide as authority on Vedic Astrology uses transits both ways. I

> > myself am not clear about my experiences since I do not follow

them

> > very closely, but I also seem to feel that they work both ways.

> >

> > Actually it is not easy to seperate the two, since in most of the

> > cases, (in vedic astrology at least) when a transiting planet is

> > aspecting a natal, the natal is also casting an aspect on the

> > transiting (even though the % effect attributed to that may not

be

> > 100% maybe 75% etc. but it is still there--I am not 100% sure of

> > this since in Vedic we use only very specific %100 aspects but

> there

> > are other aspects mentioned, so how shall we distinguish whether

> > transiting planet is aspecting natal or natal aspecting

transiting,

> > a bit confusing if we do not take into account the houses where

the

> > trans. and natal planets happen to be.

> >

> > Mark is authority on feeling the transits through experience, I

> > wonder what he thinks;

> >

> > Adnan.

> >

> > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hey Adnan ...

> > >

> > >

> > > The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other

way

> > around. A

> > > trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at

all.

> > > Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

> > >

> > >

> > > ... Bettina

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sabri [korua@e...]

> > > Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

> > >

> > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> > Aspects-- >

> > > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our

charts

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Again, Dear Mark,

> > >

> > > So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> > > magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

> > with

> > > you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the

> lesson....it

> > > is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

> > with

> > > it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> > > symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

> > >

> > > Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I

mentioned

> > > Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My

> natal

> > > Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius,

and

> > as

> > > Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected

by

> > > Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

> > >

> > > I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

> > transiting

> > > planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

> > anyway

> > > classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

> > >

> > > By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably

> do

> > > not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> > > effect....he he hehe.....he.....

> > >

> > >

> > > It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

> > shines

> > > through your messages, take care,

> > >

> > > Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

> > >

> > > And All Glory to Our Guru.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > >

> > > > See below:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and

Ketu's

> > > Aspects-->

> > > > To Mark, > from Mark....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect

> on

> > > > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower

about

> > > > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu

and

> > Ketu

> > > > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> > > >

> > > > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer'

and

> > > after

> > > > watching the transits,

> > > > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described

> in

> > > more

> > > > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> > > >

> > > > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> > > represent the

> > > > reality of the desire mechanism....

> > > >

> > > > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate

over

> > > our internal

> > > > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> > > >

> > > > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

> > silence

> > > along with

> > > > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and

ketu,

> > > won't find a

> > > > ground for being malefic...

> > > >

> > > > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are

> with

> > > these

> > > > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> > > >

> > > > One I guess needs to

> > > > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > > > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

> > transit

> > > > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

> > Moon

> > > in one's

> > > > natal chart,

> > > > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by

> the

> > > transits,

> > > > in general.

> > > >

> > > > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

> > Moon

> > > is, the

> > > > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> > > >

> > > > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with

how

> > > much one

> > > > gets thrown off by the transits....

> > > >

> > > > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal

planets

> > > should be

> > > > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> > > >

> > > > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> > > start more

> > > > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas

> and

> > > our charts,

> > > > as well.

> > > >

> > > > You bring up a good point.

> > > >

> > > > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have

been

> > on

> > > them long

> > > > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

> > this...!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me

was

> > > > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> > > >

> > > > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other

> day,

> > > both in

> > > > Libra?

> > > >

> > > > this is some time later than

> > > > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > > > timezone etc.),

> > > >

> > > > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> > > let's see, I

> > > > would think that you

> > > > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the

central

> > > US,... you

> > > > being in Turkey,...

> > > > I mean...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > > > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects

> going

> > > on,

> > > > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

> > Moon

> > > went into

> > > > Rahu's 9th house

> > > > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> > > >

> > > > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more

> closely,

> > > because

> > > > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

> > also

> > > being in

> > > > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > > > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving

> through

> > > > Sagittarius...

> > > >

> > > > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> > > positive

> > > > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

> > people

> > > go beserk

> > > > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their'

ravings,

> > too

> > > > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable

> times!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual,

mostly

> > > > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > > > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > > > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> > > >

> > > > Glad to hear it.

> > > >

> > > > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> > > >

> > > > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> > > >

> > > > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

> > really

> > > have a

> > > > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> > > >

> > > > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our

first

> > > 50degree day

> > > > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> > > >

> > > > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> > > >

> > > > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn,

over

> > > the next 5

> > > > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be

influencing

> > > each other,

> > > > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our

entire

> > > World....

> > > >

> > > > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000,

which

> > > caused,

> > > > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> > > experiencing,....

> > > > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> > > >

> > > > ehhehe

> > > >

> > > > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of

> it,...

> > > > at least for a number of years, then....

> > > > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> > > >

> > > > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> > > >

> > > > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so

> in-

> > > tune with

> > > > it...

> > > >

> > > > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2

of

> > 1%

> > > maybe!

> > > > heheheh

> > > > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like

> the

> > > rest of

> > > > us...

> > > >

> > > > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> > > Saturn,....

> > > > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement,

of

> > > that Silence

> > > > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> > > >

> > > > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > > > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed

it's

> > > benefits,

> > > > ....tremendously....

> > > > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> > > >

> > > > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> > > truthfully say,

> > > > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> > > before...

> > > >

> > > > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

> > Saturn

> > > &

> > > > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > > > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Guru.

> > > > Adnan.

> > > >

> > > > Ciao!

> > > >

> > > > Mark K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the

time

> > you

> > > > asked this

> > > > > question,

> > > > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at

> the

> > > 1st

> > > > degree of

> > > > > Aries,

> > > > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> > > aspect

> > > > of Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more

> intensely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> > > generally

> > > > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > > > Aquarius, where

> > > > > it'll supposedly

> > > > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > > > >

> > > > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > how ya been?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ciao

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark K.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To

> Mark

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about

the

> > > > > transits;

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu

and

> > > Ketu,

> > > > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects

of

> > > natal

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that

> matter

> > > > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu

> or

> > > > Ketu?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

> > that

> > > of

> > > > > Rahu's.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know)

> about

> > > > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity

of

> > the

> > > > > theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >