2-Adnan, re.... Thank you- from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

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thanks.....

 

hehee

 

maybe due to my libra rising....

hehehe

 

also I find argueing....a waste of time and energy....

 

the greatest need in this entire world...

 

is unity.....

 

and God's the key....

 

we all can find a common ground....

 

'there'....

 

thoughts are just that..... thoughts......

 

also the key is learning how to transcend thoughts....

 

that way, even one's own thoughts....are not soooo crucial....

 

they're just thoughts...

heehhe

 

thanks again....

 

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

" Sabri " <korua

 

Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:28:55 -0000

 

Re: 2-Adnan, Bettina & All:, re.... Rahu and Ketu's Aspects-- > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

 

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for your views, it all makes sense.

By the way I have noticed something, the interaction in your group

here is more coordial and joyful, apparently (for me at least) it is

because of your hosting,

Take care, Chau,

 

Adnan Sabri.

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Adnan, Bettina & All:

>

> I think because we 'notice' the transits, most vividly, we tend to

think

> that they effect the Psychology & Physiology, which are aspects of

our

> 'charts'.

>

> However, it only makes sense that the chart, and all it's

implications,

> aspects, etc. would also influence the other way...

>

> The way I experience it, is, ... my chart is like my given, my

everyday

> reality, and I do feel the subtleties of the fact that my Saturn

in the 12th

> aspects my 2nd, and my Mars in the 10th aspects my 1st,...e.tc...

>

> Then when I pay attention to the transits, for example, when

Saturn went

> into Cancer, it was transiting my 10th house...

>

> And I could really experience it. It felt like this huge boulder

> sllooooowly.... inching across the landscape of my 10th house...

>

> Then, the Moon comes along and when it's in the same house as my

Saturn,

> that's one experience and then when the Moon moves into the 3rd

house away

> from the transiting Saturn, again that Saturn quality comes back...

>

> In my case, with Sani moving into my 10th house, when the Moon

went into

> Virgo, last month, I could again, feel that Sani influence from my

10th

> house...

>

> And because my Natal Moon & Saturn are both in my 12th house....

>

> I could feel these 2 forces, like layers upon layers...

>

> On the one hand, I felt comfortable with the Moon there, because I

was born

> there, and also, Jupiter's presently transiting Virgo, and that

was there

> too...

> which felt very glorious for the Moon...

>

> However, my Saturn is!, in the 12th....and the transiting Moon

going into

> that house, simultaneously being aspected by Saturn in Cancer, in

my

> 10th.... all of that....I could experience, goings on, at the same

time...

>

> It only makes sense, if the Natal planets have their different

aspects,

> then, when the transiting Planets are 'doing there thing', then,

it's

> imaginable, that their 'two' influences, would 'add' up.

>

> Hope this helps..

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:29:53 -0000

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

Aspects-- >

> from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

>

>

>

> Hi Bettina,

> Thanks for your reply and reminder,

> I am mentioning about Vedic astrology.

> May I humbly disagree;

> At least one good friend of mine, who happens to be accepted world-

> wide as authority on Vedic Astrology uses transits both ways. I

> myself am not clear about my experiences since I do not follow them

> very closely, but I also seem to feel that they work both ways.

>

> Actually it is not easy to seperate the two, since in most of the

> cases, (in vedic astrology at least) when a transiting planet is

> aspecting a natal, the natal is also casting an aspect on the

> transiting (even though the % effect attributed to that may not be

> 100% maybe 75% etc. but it is still there--I am not 100% sure of

> this since in Vedic we use only very specific %100 aspects but

there

> are other aspects mentioned, so how shall we distinguish whether

> transiting planet is aspecting natal or natal aspecting transiting,

> a bit confusing if we do not take into account the houses where the

> trans. and natal planets happen to be.

>

> Mark is authority on feeling the transits through experience, I

> wonder what he thinks;

>

> Adnan.

>

> , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> wrote:

> > Hey Adnan ...

> >

> >

> > The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other way

> around. A

> > trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at all.

> > Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

> >

> >

> > ... Bettina

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sabri [korua@e...]

> > Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-- >

> > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Again, Dear Mark,

> >

> > So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> > magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

> with

> > you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the

lesson....it

> > is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

> with

> > it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> > symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

> >

> > Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

> > Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My

natal

> > Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and

> as

> > Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

> > Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

> >

> > I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

> transiting

> > planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

> anyway

> > classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

> >

> > By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably

do

> > not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> > effect....he he hehe.....he.....

> >

> >

> > It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

> shines

> > through your messages, take care,

> >

> > Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

> >

> > And All Glory to Our Guru.

> >

> >

> > , Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Adnan:

> > >

> > > See below:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > >

> > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> > Aspects-->

> > > To Mark, > from Mark....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect

on

> > > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> > > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and

> Ketu

> > > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> > >

> > > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

> > after

> > > watching the transits,

> > > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described

in

> > more

> > > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> > >

> > > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> > represent the

> > > reality of the desire mechanism....

> > >

> > > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

> > our internal

> > > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> > >

> > > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

> silence

> > along with

> > > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

> > won't find a

> > > ground for being malefic...

> > >

> > > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are

with

> > these

> > > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> > >

> > > One I guess needs to

> > > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

> transit

> > > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> > >

> > > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

> Moon

> > in one's

> > > natal chart,

> > > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by

the

> > transits,

> > > in general.

> > >

> > > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

> Moon

> > is, the

> > > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> > >

> > > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

> > much one

> > > gets thrown off by the transits....

> > >

> > > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

> > should be

> > > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> > >

> > > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> > start more

> > > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas

and

> > our charts,

> > > as well.

> > >

> > > You bring up a good point.

> > >

> > > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been

> on

> > them long

> > > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

> this...!

> > >

> > >

> > > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> > > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> > >

> > > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other

day,

> > both in

> > > Libra?

> > >

> > > this is some time later than

> > > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > > timezone etc.),

> > >

> > > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> > let's see, I

> > > would think that you

> > > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

> > US,... you

> > > being in Turkey,...

> > > I mean...

> > >

> > >

> > > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects

going

> > on,

> > > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> > >

> > > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

> Moon

> > went into

> > > Rahu's 9th house

> > > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> > >

> > > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more

closely,

> > because

> > > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

> also

> > being in

> > > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving

through

> > > Sagittarius...

> > >

> > > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> > positive

> > > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

> people

> > go beserk

> > > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings,

> too

> > > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable

times!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> > > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> > >

> > > Glad to hear it.

> > >

> > > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> > >

> > > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> > >

> > > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

> really

> > have a

> > > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> > >

> > > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

> > 50degree day

> > > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> > >

> > > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> > >

> > > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

> > the next 5

> > > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

> > each other,

> > > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

> > World....

> > >

> > > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

> > caused,

> > > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> > experiencing,....

> > > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> > >

> > > ehhehe

> > >

> > > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of

it,...

> > > at least for a number of years, then....

> > > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> > >

> > > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> > >

> > > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so

in-

> > tune with

> > > it...

> > >

> > > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of

> 1%

> > maybe!

> > > heheheh

> > > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like

the

> > rest of

> > > us...

> > >

> > > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> > Saturn,....

> > > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

> > that Silence

> > > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> > >

> > > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> > >

> > > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

> > benefits,

> > > ....tremendously....

> > > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> > >

> > > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> > truthfully say,

> > > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> > before...

> > >

> > > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

> Saturn

> > &

> > > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Guru.

> > > Adnan.

> > >

> > > Ciao!

> > >

> > > Mark K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > >

> > > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time

> you

> > > asked this

> > > > question,

> > > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at

the

> > 1st

> > > degree of

> > > > Aries,

> > > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> > aspect

> > > of Rahu.

> > > >

> > > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more

intensely.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> > generally

> > > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > > >

> > > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > > Aquarius, where

> > > > it'll supposedly

> > > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > > >

> > > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > how ya been?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ciao

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mark K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To

Mark

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark,

> > > >

> > > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > > > transits;

> > > >

> > > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

> > Ketu,

> > > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

> > natal

> > > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that

matter

> > > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu

or

> > > Ketu?

> > > >

> > > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

> that

> > of

> > > > Rahu's.

> > > >

> > > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know)

about

> > > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of

> the

> > > > theories.

> > > >

> > > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Himmmm....

 

I guess; " All Glory to the Guru " ! :-)

 

Jai Jai Guru Deva.

 

Will keep in touch, take care.

 

And Many Many thanks to the unique and original approach to Jyotish

you have introduced us to.

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> thanks.....

>

> hehee

>

> maybe due to my libra rising....

> hehehe

>

> also I find argueing....a waste of time and energy....

>

> the greatest need in this entire world...

>

> is unity.....

>

> and God's the key....

>

> we all can find a common ground....

>

> 'there'....

>

> thoughts are just that..... thoughts......

>

> also the key is learning how to transcend thoughts....

>

> that way, even one's own thoughts....are not soooo crucial....

>

> they're just thoughts...

> heehhe

>

> thanks again....

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:28:55 -0000

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, Bettina & All:, re....

Rahu and

> Ketu's Aspects-- > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between

Transits & our

> charts

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> Thanks for your views, it all makes sense.

> By the way I have noticed something, the interaction in your group

> here is more coordial and joyful, apparently (for me at least) it

is

> because of your hosting,

> Take care, Chau,

>

> Adnan Sabri.

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan, Bettina & All:

> >

> > I think because we 'notice' the transits, most vividly, we tend

to

> think

> > that they effect the Psychology & Physiology, which are aspects

of

> our

> > 'charts'.

> >

> > However, it only makes sense that the chart, and all it's

> implications,

> > aspects, etc. would also influence the other way...

> >

> > The way I experience it, is, ... my chart is like my given, my

> everyday

> > reality, and I do feel the subtleties of the fact that my Saturn

> in the 12th

> > aspects my 2nd, and my Mars in the 10th aspects my 1st,...e.tc...

> >

> > Then when I pay attention to the transits, for example, when

> Saturn went

> > into Cancer, it was transiting my 10th house...

> >

> > And I could really experience it. It felt like this huge boulder

> > sllooooowly.... inching across the landscape of my 10th house...

> >

> > Then, the Moon comes along and when it's in the same house as my

> Saturn,

> > that's one experience and then when the Moon moves into the 3rd

> house away

> > from the transiting Saturn, again that Saturn quality comes

back...

> >

> > In my case, with Sani moving into my 10th house, when the Moon

> went into

> > Virgo, last month, I could again, feel that Sani influence from

my

> 10th

> > house...

> >

> > And because my Natal Moon & Saturn are both in my 12th house....

> >

> > I could feel these 2 forces, like layers upon layers...

> >

> > On the one hand, I felt comfortable with the Moon there, because

I

> was born

> > there, and also, Jupiter's presently transiting Virgo, and that

> was there

> > too...

> > which felt very glorious for the Moon...

> >

> > However, my Saturn is!, in the 12th....and the transiting Moon

> going into

> > that house, simultaneously being aspected by Saturn in Cancer, in

> my

> > 10th.... all of that....I could experience, goings on, at the

same

> time...

> >

> > It only makes sense, if the Natal planets have their different

> aspects,

> > then, when the transiting Planets are 'doing there thing', then,

> it's

> > imaginable, that their 'two' influences, would 'add' up.

> >

> > Hope this helps..

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:29:53 -0000

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-- >

> > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Bettina,

> > Thanks for your reply and reminder,

> > I am mentioning about Vedic astrology.

> > May I humbly disagree;

> > At least one good friend of mine, who happens to be accepted

world-

> > wide as authority on Vedic Astrology uses transits both ways. I

> > myself am not clear about my experiences since I do not follow

them

> > very closely, but I also seem to feel that they work both ways.

> >

> > Actually it is not easy to seperate the two, since in most of the

> > cases, (in vedic astrology at least) when a transiting planet is

> > aspecting a natal, the natal is also casting an aspect on the

> > transiting (even though the % effect attributed to that may not

be

> > 100% maybe 75% etc. but it is still there--I am not 100% sure of

> > this since in Vedic we use only very specific %100 aspects but

> there

> > are other aspects mentioned, so how shall we distinguish whether

> > transiting planet is aspecting natal or natal aspecting

transiting,

> > a bit confusing if we do not take into account the houses where

the

> > trans. and natal planets happen to be.

> >

> > Mark is authority on feeling the transits through experience, I

> > wonder what he thinks;

> >

> > Adnan.

> >

> > , " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hey Adnan ...

> > >

> > >

> > > The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other

way

> > around. A

> > > trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at

all.

> > > Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

> > >

> > >

> > > ... Bettina

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sabri [korua@e...]

> > > Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

> > >

> > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> > Aspects-- >

> > > from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our

charts

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Again, Dear Mark,

> > >

> > > So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> > > magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

> > with

> > > you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the

> lesson....it

> > > is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

> > with

> > > it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> > > symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

> > >

> > > Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I

mentioned

> > > Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My

> natal

> > > Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius,

and

> > as

> > > Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected

by

> > > Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

> > >

> > > I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

> > transiting

> > > planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

> > anyway

> > > classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

> > >

> > > By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably

> do

> > > not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> > > effect....he he hehe.....he.....

> > >

> > >

> > > It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

> > shines

> > > through your messages, take care,

> > >

> > > Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

> > >

> > > And All Glory to Our Guru.

> > >

> > >

> > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > >

> > > > See below:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > >

> > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> > > >

> > > > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and

Ketu's

> > > Aspects-->

> > > > To Mark, > from Mark....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect

> on

> > > > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower

about

> > > > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu

and

> > Ketu

> > > > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> > > >

> > > > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer'

and

> > > after

> > > > watching the transits,

> > > > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described

> in

> > > more

> > > > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> > > >

> > > > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> > > represent the

> > > > reality of the desire mechanism....

> > > >

> > > > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate

over

> > > our internal

> > > > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> > > >

> > > > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

> > silence

> > > along with

> > > > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and

ketu,

> > > won't find a

> > > > ground for being malefic...

> > > >

> > > > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are

> with

> > > these

> > > > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> > > >

> > > > One I guess needs to

> > > > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > > > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

> > transit

> > > > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

> > Moon

> > > in one's

> > > > natal chart,

> > > > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by

> the

> > > transits,

> > > > in general.

> > > >

> > > > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

> > Moon

> > > is, the

> > > > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> > > >

> > > > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with

how

> > > much one

> > > > gets thrown off by the transits....

> > > >

> > > > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal

planets

> > > should be

> > > > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> > > >

> > > > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> > > start more

> > > > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas

> and

> > > our charts,

> > > > as well.

> > > >

> > > > You bring up a good point.

> > > >

> > > > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have

been

> > on

> > > them long

> > > > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

> > this...!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me

was

> > > > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> > > >

> > > > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other

> day,

> > > both in

> > > > Libra?

> > > >

> > > > this is some time later than

> > > > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > > > timezone etc.),

> > > >

> > > > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> > > let's see, I

> > > > would think that you

> > > > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the

central

> > > US,... you

> > > > being in Turkey,...

> > > > I mean...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > > > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects

> going

> > > on,

> > > > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

> > Moon

> > > went into

> > > > Rahu's 9th house

> > > > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> > > >

> > > > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more

> closely,

> > > because

> > > > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

> > also

> > > being in

> > > > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > > > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving

> through

> > > > Sagittarius...

> > > >

> > > > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> > > positive

> > > > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

> > people

> > > go beserk

> > > > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their'

ravings,

> > too

> > > > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable

> times!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual,

mostly

> > > > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > > > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > > > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> > > >

> > > > Glad to hear it.

> > > >

> > > > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> > > >

> > > > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> > > >

> > > > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

> > really

> > > have a

> > > > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> > > >

> > > > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our

first

> > > 50degree day

> > > > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> > > >

> > > > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> > > >

> > > > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn,

over

> > > the next 5

> > > > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be

influencing

> > > each other,

> > > > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our

entire

> > > World....

> > > >

> > > > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000,

which

> > > caused,

> > > > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> > > experiencing,....

> > > > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> > > >

> > > > ehhehe

> > > >

> > > > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of

> it,...

> > > > at least for a number of years, then....

> > > > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> > > >

> > > > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> > > >

> > > > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so

> in-

> > > tune with

> > > > it...

> > > >

> > > > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2

of

> > 1%

> > > maybe!

> > > > heheheh

> > > > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like

> the

> > > rest of

> > > > us...

> > > >

> > > > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> > > Saturn,....

> > > > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement,

of

> > > that Silence

> > > > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> > > >

> > > > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > > > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed

it's

> > > benefits,

> > > > ....tremendously....

> > > > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> > > >

> > > > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> > > truthfully say,

> > > > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> > > before...

> > > >

> > > > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

> > Saturn

> > > &

> > > > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > > > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Guru.

> > > > Adnan.

> > > >

> > > > Ciao!

> > > >

> > > > Mark K.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Mark Kincaid

> > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Adnan:

> > > > >

> > > > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the

time

> > you

> > > > asked this

> > > > > question,

> > > > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at

> the

> > > 1st

> > > > degree of

> > > > > Aries,

> > > > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> > > aspect

> > > > of Rahu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more

> intensely.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> > > generally

> > > > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > > > Aquarius, where

> > > > > it'll supposedly

> > > > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > > > >

> > > > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > how ya been?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ciao

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mark K.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To

> Mark

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about

the

> > > > > transits;

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu

and

> > > Ketu,

> > > > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects

of

> > > natal

> > > > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that

> matter

> > > > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu

> or

> > > > Ketu?

> > > > >

> > > > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

> > that

> > > of

> > > > > Rahu's.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know)

> about

> > > > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity

of

> > the

> > > > > theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >