2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's Aspects-- from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

[Guest guest]

Dear Adnan:

 

See below:

 

 

 

" Sabri " <korua

 

Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

 

Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark, > from Mark....

 

 

 

Hi Mark,

Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and Ketu

on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

 

Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and after watching the transits,

these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in more positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

 

Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both represent the reality of the desire mechanism....

 

If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over our internal silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

 

But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of silence along with activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu, won't find a ground for being malefic...

 

The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with these multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

 

One I guess needs to

watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting transit

planets have a more pronounced effect.

 

Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's Moon in one's natal chart,

does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the transits, in general.

 

I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's Moon is, the more intensely do the transits effect one.

 

Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how much one gets thrown off by the transits....

 

So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets should be influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

 

It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to start more regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and our charts, as well.

 

You bring up a good point.

 

And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been on them long enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on this...!

 

 

At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

 

You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day, both in Libra?

 

this is some time later than

Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

timezone etc.),

 

The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and let's see, I would think that you

were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central US,... you being in Turkey,...

I mean...

 

 

I had a little weird experience which I thought was

about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going on,

like Mars in sagitarius etc.

 

Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when Moon went into Rahu's 9th house

aspect because of the presence of Mars...

 

And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely, because then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path, also being in Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through Sagittarius...

 

These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more positive qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why people go beserk at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings, too seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

 

 

 

 

So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

Hope you are doing also very fine,

Best wishes from Istanbul,

 

Glad to hear it.

 

I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

 

I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

 

It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I really have a better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

 

I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first 50degree day the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

 

Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

 

I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over the next 5 years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing each other, and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire World....

 

The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which caused, literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been experiencing,....

really has been clinging on, way too long!

 

ehhehe

 

So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

at least for a number of years, then....

so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

 

I finally am getting Saturn,.....

 

Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-tune with it...

 

Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of 1% maybe!

heheheh

these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the rest of us...

 

But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of Saturn,....

inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of that Silence with each and every aspect of outer life....

 

Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

 

Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's benefits, ....tremendously....

that wasn't where I needed to grow...

 

So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can truthfully say, that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever before...

 

Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both Saturn & Jupiter.... to live a more

happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

 

 

Jai Guru.

Adnan.

 

Ciao!

 

Mark K.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Adnan:

>

> Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time you

asked this

> question,

> Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the 1st

degree of

> Aries,

> therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house aspect

of Rahu.

>

> Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

>

> Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be generally

> disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

>

> Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

Aquarius, where

> it'll supposedly

> be, being aspected by Ketu....

>

> to see if both of us, experience it.....!

>

>

> how ya been?

>

>

> ciao

>

>

> Mark K.

>

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

>

> Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> transits;

>

> Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and Ketu,

> when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of natal

> Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

Ketu?

>

> The reason I am asking is;

> a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as that of

> Rahu's.

>

> b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of the

> theories.

>

> Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Again, Dear Mark,

 

So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

 

Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree with

you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the lesson....it

is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away with

it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

 

Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My natal

Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and as

Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

 

I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and transiting

planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do, anyway

classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

 

By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably do

not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

effect....he he hehe.....he.....

 

It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life shines

through your messages, take care,

 

Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

 

And All Glory to Our Guru.

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Adnan:

>

> See below:

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

Aspects-->

> To Mark, > from Mark....

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

> Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

> Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and Ketu

> on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

>

> Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

after

> watching the transits,

> these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in

more

> positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

>

> Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

represent the

> reality of the desire mechanism....

>

> If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

our internal

> silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

>

> But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of silence

along with

> activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

won't find a

> ground for being malefic...

>

> The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with

these

> multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

>

> One I guess needs to

> watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting transit

> planets have a more pronounced effect.

>

> Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's Moon

in one's

> natal chart,

> does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the

transits,

> in general.

>

> I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's Moon

is, the

> more intensely do the transits effect one.

>

> Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

much one

> gets thrown off by the transits....

>

> So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

should be

> influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

>

> It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

start more

> regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and

our charts,

> as well.

>

> You bring up a good point.

>

> And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been on

them long

> enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on this...!

>

>

> At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

>

> You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day,

both in

> Libra?

>

> this is some time later than

> Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> timezone etc.),

>

> The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

let's see, I

> would think that you

> were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

US,... you

> being in Turkey,...

> I mean...

>

>

> I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going

on,

> like Mars in sagitarius etc.

>

> Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when Moon

went into

> Rahu's 9th house

> aspect because of the presence of Mars...

>

> And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely,

because

> then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path, also

being in

> Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through

> Sagittarius...

>

> These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

positive

> qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why people

go beserk

> at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings, too

> seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

>

>

>

>

> So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> Hope you are doing also very fine,

> Best wishes from Istanbul,

>

> Glad to hear it.

>

> I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

>

> I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

>

> It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I really

have a

> better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

>

> I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

50degree day

> the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

>

> Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

>

> I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

the next 5

> years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

each other,

> and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

World....

>

> The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

caused,

> literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

experiencing,....

> really has been clinging on, way too long!

>

> ehhehe

>

> So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

> at least for a number of years, then....

> so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

>

> I finally am getting Saturn,.....

>

> Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-

tune with

> it...

>

> Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of 1%

maybe!

> heheheh

> these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the

rest of

> us...

>

> But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

Saturn,....

> inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

that Silence

> with each and every aspect of outer life....

>

> Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

>

> Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

benefits,

> ....tremendously....

> that wasn't where I needed to grow...

>

> So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

truthfully say,

> that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

before...

>

> Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both Saturn

&

> Jupiter.... to live a more

> happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

>

>

> Jai Guru.

> Adnan.

>

> Ciao!

>

> Mark K.

, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan:

> >

> > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time you

> asked this

> > question,

> > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the

1st

> degree of

> > Aries,

> > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

aspect

> of Rahu.

> >

> > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

> >

> > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

generally

> > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> >

> > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> Aquarius, where

> > it'll supposedly

> > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> >

> > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> >

> >

> > how ya been?

> >

> >

> > ciao

> >

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> >

> > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > transits;

> >

> > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

Ketu,

> > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

natal

> > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

> Ketu?

> >

> > The reason I am asking is;

> > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as that

of

> > Rahu's.

> >

> > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of the

> > theories.

> >

> > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Adnan ...

 

 

The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other way around. A

trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at all.

Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

 

 

.... Bettina

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sabri [korua]

Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

 

Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's Aspects-- >

from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

 

 

 

Hi Again, Dear Mark,

 

So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

 

Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree with

you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the lesson....it

is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away with

it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

 

Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My natal

Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and as

Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

 

I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and transiting

planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do, anyway

classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

 

By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably do

not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

effect....he he hehe.....he.....

 

 

It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life shines

through your messages, take care,

 

Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

 

And All Glory to Our Guru.

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Adnan:

>

> See below:

>

>

>

> " Sabri " <korua@e...>

>

> Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

Aspects-->

> To Mark, > from Mark....

>

>

>

> Hi Mark,

> Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

> Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and Ketu

> on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

>

> Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

after

> watching the transits,

> these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in

more

> positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

>

> Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

represent the

> reality of the desire mechanism....

>

> If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

our internal

> silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

>

> But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of silence

along with

> activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

won't find a

> ground for being malefic...

>

> The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with

these

> multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

>

> One I guess needs to

> watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting transit

> planets have a more pronounced effect.

>

> Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's Moon

in one's

> natal chart,

> does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the

transits,

> in general.

>

> I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's Moon

is, the

> more intensely do the transits effect one.

>

> Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

much one

> gets thrown off by the transits....

>

> So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

should be

> influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

>

> It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

start more

> regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and

our charts,

> as well.

>

> You bring up a good point.

>

> And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been on

them long

> enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on this...!

>

>

> At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

>

> You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day,

both in

> Libra?

>

> this is some time later than

> Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> timezone etc.),

>

> The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

let's see, I

> would think that you

> were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

US,... you

> being in Turkey,...

> I mean...

>

>

> I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going

on,

> like Mars in sagitarius etc.

>

> Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when Moon

went into

> Rahu's 9th house

> aspect because of the presence of Mars...

>

> And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely,

because

> then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path, also

being in

> Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through

> Sagittarius...

>

> These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

positive

> qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why people

go beserk

> at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings, too

> seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

>

>

>

>

> So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> Hope you are doing also very fine,

> Best wishes from Istanbul,

>

> Glad to hear it.

>

> I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

>

> I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

>

> It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I really

have a

> better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

>

> I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

50degree day

> the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

>

> Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

>

> I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

the next 5

> years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

each other,

> and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

World....

>

> The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

caused,

> literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

experiencing,....

> really has been clinging on, way too long!

>

> ehhehe

>

> So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

> at least for a number of years, then....

> so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

>

> I finally am getting Saturn,.....

>

> Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-

tune with

> it...

>

> Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of 1%

maybe!

> heheheh

> these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the

rest of

> us...

>

> But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

Saturn,....

> inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

that Silence

> with each and every aspect of outer life....

>

> Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

>

> Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

benefits,

> ....tremendously....

> that wasn't where I needed to grow...

>

> So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

truthfully say,

> that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

before...

>

> Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both Saturn

&

> Jupiter.... to live a more

> happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

>

>

> Jai Guru.

> Adnan.

>

> Ciao!

>

> Mark K.

, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan:

> >

> > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time you

> asked this

> > question,

> > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the

1st

> degree of

> > Aries,

> > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

aspect

> of Rahu.

> >

> > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

> >

> > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

generally

> > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> >

> > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> Aquarius, where

> > it'll supposedly

> > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> >

> > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> >

> >

> > how ya been?

> >

> >

> > ciao

> >

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> >

> > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > transits;

> >

> > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

Ketu,

> > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

natal

> > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

> Ketu?

> >

> > The reason I am asking is;

> > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as that

of

> > Rahu's.

> >

> > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of the

> > theories.

> >

> > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bettina,

Thanks for your reply and reminder,

I am mentioning about Vedic astrology.

May I humbly disagree;

At least one good friend of mine, who happens to be accepted world-

wide as authority on Vedic Astrology uses transits both ways. I

myself am not clear about my experiences since I do not follow them

very closely, but I also seem to feel that they work both ways.

 

Actually it is not easy to seperate the two, since in most of the

cases, (in vedic astrology at least) when a transiting planet is

aspecting a natal, the natal is also casting an aspect on the

transiting (even though the % effect attributed to that may not be

100% maybe 75% etc. but it is still there--I am not 100% sure of

this since in Vedic we use only very specific %100 aspects but there

are other aspects mentioned, so how shall we distinguish whether

transiting planet is aspecting natal or natal aspecting transiting,

a bit confusing if we do not take into account the houses where the

trans. and natal planets happen to be.

 

Mark is authority on feeling the transits through experience, I

wonder what he thinks;

 

Adnan.

 

, " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Hey Adnan ...

>

>

> The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other way

around. A

> trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at all.

> Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sabri [korua@e...]

> Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

Aspects-- >

> from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

>

>

>

> Hi Again, Dear Mark,

>

> So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

>

> Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

with

> you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the lesson....it

> is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

with

> it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

>

> Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

> Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My natal

> Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and

as

> Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

> Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

>

> I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

transiting

> planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

anyway

> classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

>

> By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably do

> not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> effect....he he hehe.....he.....

>

>

> It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

shines

> through your messages, take care,

>

> Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

>

> And All Glory to Our Guru.

>

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan:

> >

> > See below:

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-->

> > To Mark, > from Mark....

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

> > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and

Ketu

> > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> >

> > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

> after

> > watching the transits,

> > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in

> more

> > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> >

> > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> represent the

> > reality of the desire mechanism....

> >

> > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

> our internal

> > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> >

> > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

silence

> along with

> > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

> won't find a

> > ground for being malefic...

> >

> > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with

> these

> > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> >

> > One I guess needs to

> > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

transit

> > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> >

> > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

Moon

> in one's

> > natal chart,

> > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the

> transits,

> > in general.

> >

> > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

Moon

> is, the

> > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> >

> > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

> much one

> > gets thrown off by the transits....

> >

> > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

> should be

> > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> >

> > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> start more

> > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and

> our charts,

> > as well.

> >

> > You bring up a good point.

> >

> > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been

on

> them long

> > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

this...!

> >

> >

> > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> >

> > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day,

> both in

> > Libra?

> >

> > this is some time later than

> > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > timezone etc.),

> >

> > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> let's see, I

> > would think that you

> > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

> US,... you

> > being in Turkey,...

> > I mean...

> >

> >

> > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going

> on,

> > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> >

> > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

Moon

> went into

> > Rahu's 9th house

> > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> >

> > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely,

> because

> > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

also

> being in

> > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through

> > Sagittarius...

> >

> > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> positive

> > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

people

> go beserk

> > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings,

too

> > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> >

> > Glad to hear it.

> >

> > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> >

> > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> >

> > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

really

> have a

> > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> >

> > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

> 50degree day

> > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> >

> > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> >

> > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

> the next 5

> > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

> each other,

> > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

> World....

> >

> > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

> caused,

> > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> experiencing,....

> > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> >

> > ehhehe

> >

> > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

> > at least for a number of years, then....

> > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> >

> > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> >

> > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-

> tune with

> > it...

> >

> > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of

1%

> maybe!

> > heheheh

> > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the

> rest of

> > us...

> >

> > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> Saturn,....

> > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

> that Silence

> > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> >

> > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> >

> > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

> benefits,

> > ....tremendously....

> > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> >

> > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> truthfully say,

> > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> before...

> >

> > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

Saturn

> &

> > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> >

> >

> > Jai Guru.

> > Adnan.

> >

> > Ciao!

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Adnan:

> > >

> > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time

you

> > asked this

> > > question,

> > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the

> 1st

> > degree of

> > > Aries,

> > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> aspect

> > of Rahu.

> > >

> > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

> > >

> > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> generally

> > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > >

> > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > Aquarius, where

> > > it'll supposedly

> > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > >

> > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > >

> > >

> > > how ya been?

> > >

> > >

> > > ciao

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > >

> > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > >

> > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > > transits;

> > >

> > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

> Ketu,

> > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

> natal

> > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

> > Ketu?

> > >

> > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

that

> of

> > > Rahu's.

> > >

> > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of

the

> > > theories.

> > >

> > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Bettina,

One further thought, I also used to think, natals would not aspect

transits, based on the thinking/feeling that natals are not active

like the transits are. But natal planets signify sensitive points in

the zodiac for the person, as well as the places where they aspect,

so when a transit comes to a sensitive point where a natal is

aspecting, there should be some interaction, how is this logic?

 

Adnan.

 

 

, " Bettina " <chiria@n...>

wrote:

> Hey Adnan ...

>

>

> The transiting planet affects the natal planet, not the other way

around. A

> trine from the Moon wouldn't be strongly felt, anyway, if at all.

> Transiting trines from Jupiter, esp when retro, are powerful.

>

>

> ... Bettina

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sabri [korua@e...]

> Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:43 PM

>

> Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

Aspects-- >

> from Mark....2/6/05 & Relationship between Transits & our charts

>

>

>

> Hi Again, Dear Mark,

>

> So wonderful to communicate as always with you, and on such a

> magnificent subject....mimmmm.....Grahas and us....

>

> Thanks a lot for your notes again on Saturn, a big YES I agree

with

> you. Shani Deva likes to make certain that we get the lesson....it

> is not like Jupiter, that you can do this or that and get away

with

> it. When it is Shani time....better be careful, he is not a

> symphatetic teacher (at least as it appears to be).

>

> Oh, by the way, could I express myself clearly? When I mentioned

> Moon was going through Natal Ketu's 9th. aspect, I meant; My natal

> Ketu is in Aries, so casting an aspect (9th.) on Sagitarius, and

as

> Moon was transiting Sagitarius, I assume She is being aspected by

> Natal Ketu? Do you agree that there is an influence as such.

>

> I mean do you consider aspects between natal planets and

transiting

> planets affecting each other, I have a feeling that they do,

anyway

> classical Jyotishis as you know use these.

>

> By the way, I now realise that I misled you, since you probably do

> not have natal Ketu in Aries, so how can you feel such an

> effect....he he hehe.....he.....

>

>

> It is wonderful to talk to you, since your enjoyment of life

shines

> through your messages, take care,

>

> Arrive Derchi, Adnan.

>

> And All Glory to Our Guru.

>

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Adnan:

> >

> > See below:

> >

> >

> >

> > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> >

> > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:15:40 -0000

> >

> > Re: 2-Adnan, re.... Rahu and Ketu's

> Aspects-->

> > To Mark, > from Mark....

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> > Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes, I also notice Rahu's aspect on

> > Moon quite intensly, but then I am not a careful follower about

> > other aspects e.g. Ketu on Moon, and also about Natal Rahu and

Ketu

> > on Transit Moon, that's why I wanted to ask.

> >

> > Generally, I notice that Ketu's influence is much 'softer' and

> after

> > watching the transits,

> > these many years now, I now, understand why Ketu is described in

> more

> > positive, and even spiritual terms... then Rahu....

> >

> > Also, now that I understand Rahu & Ketu better, ie. they both

> represent the

> > reality of the desire mechanism....

> >

> > If desires, whether for sex, fame or achievement, dominate over

> our internal

> > silence, then, rahu/Ketu tend to be malefic,....

> >

> > But,....if our silence is growing, and the integration of

silence

> along with

> > activity, especially desires, is going on, then, rahu and ketu,

> won't find a

> > ground for being malefic...

> >

> > The transits, then, continue to show us, how in-tune we are with

> these

> > multi-faceted Cosmic forces...

> >

> > One I guess needs to

> > watch these things very carefully to get an idea.

> > Sometimes I get the idea that maybe Natal planets aspecting

transit

> > planets have a more pronounced effect.

> >

> > Yes, I'd agree, but generally, I find that the size of one's

Moon

> in one's

> > natal chart,

> > does seem to indicate whether or not one will be affected by the

> transits,

> > in general.

> >

> > I find the smaller, and especially the more aggravated one's

Moon

> is, the

> > more intensely do the transits effect one.

> >

> > Also, one's Saturn or internal balance has a lot to do with how

> much one

> > gets thrown off by the transits....

> >

> > So, yes, it makes sense, what you say, about the natal planets

> should be

> > influencing our experiences of the transits, too.

> >

> > It all, goes along with a desire I've been having of late, to

> start more

> > regularly to connect the transits, to the areas of the dasas and

> our charts,

> > as well.

> >

> > You bring up a good point.

> >

> > And, I think most of the people who are one my lists, have been

on

> them long

> > enough that it might be a good time to start reflecting on

this...!

> >

> >

> > At the time I was writing the message, actually Moon for me was

> > going through natal Ketu's 9th. aspect,

> >

> > You mean when Moon was in the same house as Ketu, the other day,

> both in

> > Libra?

> >

> > this is some time later than

> > Rahu transit aspecting Moon transit in Sagitarius (due to the

> > timezone etc.),

> >

> > The differences in time zone, are only an hour different, and

> let's see, I

> > would think that you

> > were about 8 or 9 hours ahead of where I am here in the central

> US,... you

> > being in Turkey,...

> > I mean...

> >

> >

> > I had a little weird experience which I thought was

> > about Ketu's aspect but I was not sure, also other aspects going

> on,

> > like Mars in sagitarius etc.

> >

> > Yes, I too, experienced a greater intensity, this time, when

Moon

> went into

> > Rahu's 9th house

> > aspect because of the presence of Mars...

> >

> > And it's quite wonderful to watch these influences more closely,

> because

> > then, as the Moon was more directly moving across Mars' path,

also

> being in

> > Sagittarius,... I noticed that uniquely predictable, Marish

> > quality,...come...and then, go...as Moon continued moving through

> > Sagittarius...

> >

> > These experiences will help us a lot to pick and choose more

> positive

> > qualities of each month, and truely understand part of why

people

> go beserk

> > at such specific times, and to then, not take 'their' ravings,

too

> > seriously, just because they're coming at such predictable times!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > So let's see... Well things have been pretty much usual, mostly

> > involved with Jyotish in my spare time.

> > Hope you are doing also very fine,

> > Best wishes from Istanbul,

> >

> > Glad to hear it.

> >

> > I'm working on my Jyotish book this Winter.

> >

> > I'm really enjoying how it's beginning to come together...

> >

> > It seems, finally after these last couple of years, that I

really

> have a

> > better feeling for what I really wanted to be saying....

> >

> > I'm also beginning to look forward to Spring, we had our first

> 50degree day

> > the other day, and everyone felt soooo happy....

> >

> > Feels like Spring is right around the corner...

> >

> > I'm also going to be writing an article on Jupiter/Saturn, over

> the next 5

> > years, to give people definite ideas how they'll be influencing

> each other,

> > and the overall, general progress and prosperity of our entire

> World....

> >

> > The most recent Jupiter & Saturn, collision of 1999/2000, which

> caused,

> > literally, the World-wide, mini-recesssion we've been

> experiencing,....

> > really has been clinging on, way too long!

> >

> > ehhehe

> >

> > So, now, I'm beginning to see the beginning of the end of it,...

> > at least for a number of years, then....

> > so that should be wonderful.... for everyone in the World...

> >

> > I finally am getting Saturn,.....

> >

> > Saturn teaches us about what life is like, when we're not so in-

> tune with

> > it...

> >

> > Those who are already more balanced,...and there may be 1/2 of

1%

> maybe!

> > heheheh

> > these people don't experience the earth shaking shifts, like the

> rest of

> > us...

> >

> > But, now, I much more deeply appreciate the positive sides of

> Saturn,....

> > inner silence and balance.... and consequencial, attunement, of

> that Silence

> > with each and every aspect of outer life....

> >

> > Is Saturn's wish for us all.....

> >

> > Jupiter was so much easier for me,...

> > but my Jupiter was born that way,.... and though I enjoyed it's

> benefits,

> > ....tremendously....

> > that wasn't where I needed to grow...

> >

> > So, now, after almost 14 years of my Saturn Mahadasa, I can

> truthfully say,

> > that I'm really much more in-love with Saturn.....then ever

> before...

> >

> > Now, I realize we all need to have strong Wisdom....of both

Saturn

> &

> > Jupiter.... to live a more

> > happy, progressive,....and prosperous, life...

> >

> >

> > Jai Guru.

> > Adnan.

> >

> > Ciao!

> >

> > Mark K.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Mark Kincaid

> > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Adnan:

> > >

> > > Very interesting question. When I did a chart, for the time

you

> > asked this

> > > question,

> > > Moon was at the 3rd degree of Sagittarius, and Rahu was at the

> 1st

> > degree of

> > > Aries,

> > > therefore, Moon was just then, moving through the 9th house

> aspect

> > of Rahu.

> > >

> > > Personally, I tend to notice Rahu's influences more intensely.

> > >

> > > Ketu's influence seems more subtle, but both, seem to be

> generally

> > > disruptive of the Moon's sweet, gentle quality.

> > >

> > > Let's look at the up-coming transit when the Moon goes into

> > Aquarius, where

> > > it'll supposedly

> > > be, being aspected by Ketu....

> > >

> > > to see if both of us, experience it.....!

> > >

> > >

> > > how ya been?

> > >

> > >

> > > ciao

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Sabri " <korua@e...>

> > >

> > > Sun, 06 Feb 2005 03:27:13 -0000

> > >

> > > Rahu and Ketu's Aspects--> To Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I have a simple question regarding your experiences about the

> > > transits;

> > >

> > > Do you experience the 5th. and 9th. house aspects of Rahu and

> Ketu,

> > > when Transit Moon, is passing through the 5th.9th. aspects of

> natal

> > > Rahu and Ketu? and how is the experience? (and for that matter

> > > Transit Moon aspected (again 5th. and 9th.) by Transit Rahu or

> > Ketu?

> > >

> > > The reason I am asking is;

> > > a) I do not seem to feel Ketu's 5th. and 9th. so clearly as

that

> of

> > > Rahu's.

> > >

> > > b) There is disagreement amongst Jyotishis (as you know) about

> > > whether Ke has 5th. and 9th. aspects or not. So here is one

> > > opportunity to use direct experience to prove the validity of

the

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> > > Take care, Chau, (Jai Guru) Adnan Sabri.

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