Mars-Saturn Aspects, and Women

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Mars-Saturn Aspects, and Women

 

11:32 AM 1/3/2005 Mon

 

Hi All,

 

I was sitting with Zam, shooting the breeze and looking over some

charts in his

 

database, and we noticed quite a few charts that belonged to ladies

who had Mars

 

and Saturn in hard aspect (conjunction, square, opposition, and

Quindecile). In

 

EVERY case he had - quite a few - these women had protracted " men

problems " . He

 

had quite a story to tell about each, and, to date, none of them has

had a

 

satisfying relationship.

 

Over the years, I have found that one of the old holdovers from

Classical Western

 

Astrology tends to hold true - that whenever in the chart of a woman

you see Mars

 

and Saturn in hard aspect, you can reasonably expect her to have

relationship

 

difficulty. This was because Mars represents men, and Saturn

represents obstacles,

 

delays and overall difficulty.

 

I have seen this principle come through again and again and again

over the years;

 

and, to be sure, other factors have to be taken into account -

parental axis rulers,

 

planets in opposition in the parental houses, general 7th house

tensions, etc. But I

 

HAVE seen this principle to work constantly, rarely without fail.

 

In fact, I have found this " rule " to work EVEN WHEN THE 7TH HOUSE IS

COOL! Of

 

course, if either Mars or Saturn rules or is in the 7th, the chances

of relationship

 

problems are magnified.

 

One famous lady's chart I can think of off the top of my head is

Julia Roberts. She

 

has Cancer Asc in her Western chart, and therefore, Saturn has to

rule the 7th.

 

Mars squares Saturn, with Mars ruling the 10th (the two planets

ruling angular

 

houses getting even more strength). We all know her relationship

history with

 

respect to Lyle Lovett, Kiefer Sutherland, etc.

 

If Saturn is Rx - a major horoscopic condition and consideration for

most any chart

 

to be sure - then we can expect, almost without exception, that the

major

 

relationship difficulties are as a direct result of the father figure

being problematic in

 

some way, ranging from just being out of the picture, to being

passive, to being

 

brutally dictatorial, and so on.

 

Mars being Rx, and also in aspect to Saturn in a woman's chart, from

what I have

 

seen, seems to correlate to that woman being extremely passive, to

the point of the

 

submissive role in S & M scenarios. Asserting one's Self is very

difficult to do, and if

 

left to its own devices can indicate potential for all manner for

abuse, physical,

 

emotional, verbal or otherwise.

 

Of course, the Mars-Saturn aspect in a woman's chart can work in the

opposite

 

direction, that is to say, that the woman can be the " dominant "

one...in fact, in one

 

case that Zam talked about, a woman with the Moon and Asc in Cap,

Saturn (the

 

Asc ruler, keep in mind) is in the 2nd/Pisces and squares Mars in the

5th/Gemini,

 

ruling the 3rd (mindset). As the 2nd represents self-esteem and the

5th is that of

 

sexual needs, expression and resources, we can reliably assume that

this woman

 

would have pronounced trouble in these areas. According to what Zam

has shared

 

with me, this woman has yet to have a satisfying relationship with

anyone, and,

 

tends to be very, very controlling and domineering...clearly a

defense against

 

emotional and relational insecurity.

 

Sexually, so often, we see Mars-Saturn combinations playing

themselves out in the

 

Sado-Masochistic area; the Marquis de Sade himself had, if I recall

alright, a hard

 

Mars-Saturn aspect. If either of these planets involve themselves

with the Sexual

 

Profile in a woman's chart (the 5th and 8th Houses, and/or Venus or

Pluto) we can

 

expect there to be some sort of " pain/pleasure-push/pull " dynamic at

work sexually.

 

Does anyone out there know of any ladies with such aspects in their

charts? Would

 

you mind sharing those cases with us?

 

Salaam,

Mu